From sich at cafe-philo.net Thu May 1 15:20:29 2008 From: sich at cafe-philo.net (sich) Date: Thu, 01 May 2008 17:20:29 +0200 Subject: [freenet-support] towards Freenet 0.7.0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4819DFBD.5020209@cafe-philo.net> Ermanno Baschiera a ?crit : > Hi, > In my opinion a good bandwidth control system should be necessary. I > read that at the moment it's not very accurate. I think that all > people with low bandwidth can benefit from an accurate bandwidth > control. I mean... think about new comers who want to give a try > running Freenet... They keep the node up for some days... their MSN > starts to disconnect every 5 minutes, surfing becomes slow and they > often have to reload pages... even if they set their node's output > bandwidth to a resonable value. I'm afraid they at last could give up > and unistall freenet. > I had those problems, but with the last 3-4 builds, it happens much > less often, and I can't exclude that it could be my isp's fault (maybe > throttling?) or something else, not Freenet. Anyway, an accurate > bandwidth control cannot hurt. > > -Ermanno Baschiera For me the problem is that Freenet don't use all the bandwitch avaible... I have very good bandwitch but Freenet is only using around 40ko/s... sich From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Thu May 1 22:32:11 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:32:11 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] towards Freenet 0.7.0 In-Reply-To: <4819DFBD.5020209@cafe-philo.net> References: <4819DFBD.5020209@cafe-philo.net> Message-ID: <200805012332.20384.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Thursday 01 May 2008 16:20, sich wrote: > Ermanno Baschiera a ?crit : > > Hi, > > In my opinion a good bandwidth control system should be necessary. I > > read that at the moment it's not very accurate. I think that all > > people with low bandwidth can benefit from an accurate bandwidth > > control. I mean... think about new comers who want to give a try > > running Freenet... They keep the node up for some days... their MSN > > starts to disconnect every 5 minutes, surfing becomes slow and they > > often have to reload pages... even if they set their node's output > > bandwidth to a resonable value. I'm afraid they at last could give up > > and unistall freenet. > > I had those problems, but with the last 3-4 builds, it happens much > > less often, and I can't exclude that it could be my isp's fault (maybe > > throttling?) or something else, not Freenet. Anyway, an accurate > > bandwidth control cannot hurt. > > > > -Ermanno Baschiera > For me the problem is that Freenet don't use all the bandwitch > avaible... I have very good bandwitch but Freenet is only using around > 40ko/s... Do you have 0% pInstantReject as well? If so, your node is accepting every request sent to it, yet is still not using much bandwidth (compared to what it could do). Which is what I find on my node when I run with a high bwlimit: our neighbours simply don't send us enough requests to use up all the bandwidth, even taking into account that their neighbours are probably rejecting a lot of requests, so we probably get a lot of the rejected requests due to not being backed off. I don't know that there's much that can be done about this. Load limiting adapts to the average network conditions, and we can't go too much beyond that without breaking routing. > > sich -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080501/bf21d333/attachment.pgp From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Thu May 1 22:34:28 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 23:34:28 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] Cannot detect location of firefox In-Reply-To: <641a01790804271700r192207e4s8797a8611eba108d@mail.gmail.com> References: <641a01790804271700r192207e4s8797a8611eba108d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200805012334.29588.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Monday 28 April 2008 01:00, Ian Roan wrote: > How do i fix this? Good question. There could be many reasons for it. The easiest solution is probably to access Freenet through a normal web browser (or to create a custom profile yourself, through the profile manager). For Freenet to work well, you'll need to go to about:, then find the network.http settings, and set the max connections really high (200 per server). You can see what settings our custom profile uses in a file called user.js in the firefox_profile directory in Freenet. http://127.0.0.1:8888/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I mean... think about new comers who want to give a try > > > running Freenet... They keep the node up for some days... their MSN > > > starts to disconnect every 5 minutes, surfing becomes slow and they > > > often have to reload pages... even if they set their node's output > > > bandwidth to a resonable value. I'm afraid they at last could give up > > > and unistall freenet. > > > I had those problems, but with the last 3-4 builds, it happens much > > > less often, and I can't exclude that it could be my isp's fault (maybe > > > throttling?) or something else, not Freenet. Anyway, an accurate > > > bandwidth control cannot hurt. > > > > > > -Ermanno Baschiera > > For me the problem is that Freenet don't use all the bandwitch > > avaible... I have very good bandwitch but Freenet is only using around > > 40ko/s... > > Do you have 0% pInstantReject as well? If so, your node is accepting every > request sent to it, yet is still not using much bandwidth (compared to what > it could do). Which is what I find on my node when I run with a high bwlimit: > our neighbours simply don't send us enough requests to use up all the > bandwidth, even taking into account that their neighbours are probably > rejecting a lot of requests, so we probably get a lot of the rejected > requests due to not being backed off. > > I don't know that there's much that can be done about this. Load limiting > adapts to the average network conditions, and we can't go too much beyond > that without breaking routing. You could increase the number of peers, and thus get more traffic... Evan Daniel From sich at cafe-philo.net Fri May 2 07:03:40 2008 From: sich at cafe-philo.net (sich) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 09:03:40 +0200 Subject: [freenet-support] towards Freenet 0.7.0 In-Reply-To: <200805012332.20384.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <4819DFBD.5020209@cafe-philo.net> <200805012332.20384.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <481ABCCC.7080209@cafe-philo.net> Matthew Toseland a ?crit : > Do you have 0% pInstantReject as well? If so, your node is accepting every > request sent to it, yet is still not using much bandwidth (compared to what > it could do). Yes I have 0% pInstantReject. But for me the user experience of freenet is good. Lot of freesite load very quickly. I just ask for the bandwitch to see if Freenet can use more bandwitch to give better performance. sich From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Fri May 2 11:13:48 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 12:13:48 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] towards Freenet 0.7.0 In-Reply-To: <4f9383510805012013m40a07c6dpafae6ba7f81f055b@mail.gmail.com> References: <200805012332.20384.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <4f9383510805012013m40a07c6dpafae6ba7f81f055b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200805021213.58239.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Friday 02 May 2008 04:13, Evan Daniel wrote: > On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Matthew Toseland > wrote: > > On Thursday 01 May 2008 16:20, sich wrote: > > > Ermanno Baschiera a ?crit : > > > > Hi, > > > > In my opinion a good bandwidth control system should be necessary. I > > > > read that at the moment it's not very accurate. I think that all > > > > people with low bandwidth can benefit from an accurate bandwidth > > > > control. I mean... think about new comers who want to give a try > > > > running Freenet... They keep the node up for some days... their MSN > > > > starts to disconnect every 5 minutes, surfing becomes slow and they > > > > often have to reload pages... even if they set their node's output > > > > bandwidth to a resonable value. I'm afraid they at last could give up > > > > and unistall freenet. > > > > I had those problems, but with the last 3-4 builds, it happens much > > > > less often, and I can't exclude that it could be my isp's fault (maybe > > > > throttling?) or something else, not Freenet. Anyway, an accurate > > > > bandwidth control cannot hurt. > > > > > > > > -Ermanno Baschiera > > > For me the problem is that Freenet don't use all the bandwitch > > > avaible... I have very good bandwitch but Freenet is only using around > > > 40ko/s... > > > > Do you have 0% pInstantReject as well? If so, your node is accepting every > > request sent to it, yet is still not using much bandwidth (compared to what > > it could do). Which is what I find on my node when I run with a high bwlimit: > > our neighbours simply don't send us enough requests to use up all the > > bandwidth, even taking into account that their neighbours are probably > > rejecting a lot of requests, so we probably get a lot of the rejected > > requests due to not being backed off. > > > > I don't know that there's much that can be done about this. Load limiting > > adapts to the average network conditions, and we can't go too much beyond > > that without breaking routing. > > You could increase the number of peers, and thus get more traffic... True, but: 1) We'd have to scale it by bandwidth. I just turned that off due to some negative testing results (much fewer non-backed-off peers, also slightly lower payload although that may be illusory due to low uptime). 2) If we have 50 peers per opennet node, that will give darknet-only nodes a significant performance penalty. Therefore there needs to be a good reason to do it. We might make some progress if we had a new load management system (e.g. token passing), under which we could explicitly tune how much we can use ubernodes... > > Evan Daniel -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 252 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature Url : http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080502/cf89ef89/attachment.pgp From jimcook at panix.com Sat May 3 00:58:32 2008 From: jimcook at panix.com (Jim Cook) Date: Fri, 02 May 2008 20:58:32 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] update and more questions In-Reply-To: <200804301811.40912.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <20080429024410.05817108C3@mailbackend.panix.com> <200804291118.14796.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <20080429232710.522E011C76@mailbackend.panix.com> <200804301811.40912.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20080503005851.A778619867@mailbackend.panix.com> At 01:11 PM 4/30/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: >* PGP Signed by an unknown key > >On Wednesday 30 April 2008 00:27, Jim Cook wrote: > > At 06:18 AM 4/29/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > >> Old Signed by an unknown key > > > > > >On Tuesday 29 April 2008 03:44, Jim Cook wrote: > > > > Thank you again, Matthew (and Volodya) for your patience with my > > > > naive questions. Regarding the Firefox issue, I've found a Win BAT > > > > file that > > > > facilitates running multiple instances with different profiles. > > > > > >Running multiple instances with different profiles is trivial, > the problem >is > > >that if you don't want unpleasant surprises you have to change > the link the > > >user normally launches FF from to include -no-remote. Which is not >something > > >we really want to do... > > > > In retrospect, it's trivial. And I get why you've included a freenet > > Firefox profile and made it difficult to edit. > >You mean in that we disable the config related menu items? Yes. As I understand it, there are two key issues: (1) users need to know which browser is accessing Freenet, and which is accessing the net; and (2) users need to avoid opening 200 connections to public webservers. Right? > > However, given the > > default "Don't ask at startup" setting in Firefox's profile manager, > > and the fact that I'd never run multiple profiles, I was blindsided, > > and thought that Freenet had trashed my Firefox setup. > >Yeah, Firefox is a problem. Not using it is a worse problem. Hopefully we can >find a better solution... > > > Now I know to > > create Firefox shortcuts for my normal and freenet profiles with > > targets of the form "" -P > > -no-remote. What's the downside of doing that during Freenet > > installation? Or, if that's hard to implement, it'd be great to > > include an explanation of how to do that in the readme or FAQ. > >It is difficult to implement. It is also unnecessary if you do what you're >told! We open a browser window with a page explaining that it's a really bad >idea to close this page before closing the browser running Freenet ... if you >close it anyway, Bad Things happen - namely your firefox profile default gets >reset. Yeah, I got that. And I'm not very good at doing what I'm told ;-) > > > > I've had a node up on a Win NT box for ca. 24 hours in promiscuous > > > > mode. It's connected to ca. 20 nodes, and is slow but > > > > acceptably-responsive. When I'm not browsing, input and output rates > > > > are 16.1 KiB/sec and 18.6 KiB/sec respectively. Although output > > > > tends to mirror input, there are frequent output spikes that seem to > > > > originate from my node. In other words, my node seems to be working. My node's been up continuously now for about three days, with ca. 20 peers, 25.1 KiB/sec average input rate, 27.1 KiB/sec average output rate (of 50.0 KiB/sec) and 13.9 KiB/sec average payload output rate (51%). Is that reasonable? However, in order to achieve that, I've had to stay logged on Win NT. If I log off while sleeping or away, which has been my practice, Freenet appears to keep running (based on network activity) for a while. However, when I log on the next day, I find that the node isn't connected to any peers, and also that it won't connect until I stop and restart it. Freenet runs as user ".\freenet", and I get that y'all switched from running as LocalSystem to improve security . Am I correct in guessing that ".\freenet" is linked to my user account, and so the Freenet service hangs after I log off? Could Freenet run safely as LocalService or NetworkService? > > > > I have a relatively underutilized Win SBS 2003 server, and I'm > > > > thinking of setting up a node in Ubuntu/VMware via a dedicated > > > > physical NIC. And I'm thinking of running in nonpersistent mode, so > > > > that the node and all traces of its activity are lost when I shut it > > > > down. Would that be problematic for Freenet, if the node were up for > > > > at least a few weeks per instance? > > > > > >Not if it was online for a reasonable time, although obviously it would be > > >better for the network if it was just up. > > > > Would it be better for the network if I paused it as a snapshot > > whenever I needed to reboot? I don't reboot often, just as part of > > installing updates or when messing with hardware. > >Why not just restart it each time? The only reason to recreate it on each >startup is in case the datastore contains something incriminating... Although I have no interest in seeing for myself, I gather that Freenet contains truly awful stuff. If that's so, it's quite likely that "the datastore contains something incriminating". Right? But given that I'm running Freenet, I've obviously accepted that as a necessary cost of freedom. Also, I get that the datastore is encrypted, and that I cannot be expected to know what's there. Conversely, the contents of my download folder are not encrypted, but arguably I must have put them there intentionally. Even so, I'm nervous. Perhaps there are flogs with driveby downloads. I was thinking of running in nonpersistent mode as an additional safeguard. But I do appreciate how doing that would partially defeat Freenet's data routing and retention logic. Anyway, I'm now thinking that running an encrypted virtual machine may be an acceptable alternative. Thanks again for your contributions and support. This is fun :-) >* Unknown Key >* 0xE43DA450 = Jim Cook From ebaschiera at gmail.com Sat May 3 14:20:29 2008 From: ebaschiera at gmail.com (Ermanno Baschiera) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 16:20:29 +0200 Subject: [freenet-support] some wiki changes - comments? Message-ID: Hi, I took some freedom and time to edit this page: http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FirstTimersHandBook I cut the part about exchanging the reference on IRC and posting it at bulix, because it seems to me a non-safe practice. Using Opennet, you save yourself the time and pain to do all that public copy/pasting and also keeping "Friends" you actually don't know. Also, the same document lost much value when came out Opennet, maybe it could be deleted, because this page http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetConnections is very similar. Personal note: I find the official Documentation (http://freenetproject.org/documentation.html and also http://freenetproject.org/download.html) better than the wiki... maybe too few contributions? Greetings. -ermanno baschiera From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Sat May 3 16:43:09 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:43:09 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] update and more questions In-Reply-To: <20080503005851.A778619867@mailbackend.panix.com> References: <20080429024410.05817108C3@mailbackend.panix.com> <200804301811.40912.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <20080503005851.A778619867@mailbackend.panix.com> Message-ID: <200805031743.14067.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Saturday 03 May 2008 01:58, Jim Cook wrote: > At 01:11 PM 4/30/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > >* PGP Signed by an unknown key > > > >On Wednesday 30 April 2008 00:27, Jim Cook wrote: > > > At 06:18 AM 4/29/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > > > >> Old Signed by an unknown key > > > > > > > >On Tuesday 29 April 2008 03:44, Jim Cook wrote: > > > > > Thank you again, Matthew (and Volodya) for your patience with my > > > > > naive questions. Regarding the Firefox issue, I've found a Win BAT > > > > > file that > > > > > facilitates running multiple instances with different profiles. > > > > > > > >Running multiple instances with different profiles is trivial, > > the problem > >is > > > >that if you don't want unpleasant surprises you have to change > > the link the > > > >user normally launches FF from to include -no-remote. Which is not > >something > > > >we really want to do... > > > > > > In retrospect, it's trivial. And I get why you've included a freenet > > > Firefox profile and made it difficult to edit. > > > >You mean in that we disable the config related menu items? > > Yes. As I understand it, there are two key issues: (1) users need to > know which browser is accessing Freenet, and which is accessing the > net; and (2) users need to avoid opening 200 connections to public > webservers. Right? Pretty much. There are also security issues e.g. you should use a separate browser for freenet so that sites you browse on the first one don't know about your freenet browsing (link colors, visible-if-visited attributes etc). > > > > However, given the > > > default "Don't ask at startup" setting in Firefox's profile manager, > > > and the fact that I'd never run multiple profiles, I was blindsided, > > > and thought that Freenet had trashed my Firefox setup. > > > >Yeah, Firefox is a problem. Not using it is a worse problem. Hopefully we can > >find a better solution... > > > > > Now I know to > > > create Firefox shortcuts for my normal and freenet profiles with > > > targets of the form "" -P > > > -no-remote. What's the downside of doing that during Freenet > > > installation? Or, if that's hard to implement, it'd be great to > > > include an explanation of how to do that in the readme or FAQ. > > > >It is difficult to implement. It is also unnecessary if you do what you're > >told! We open a browser window with a page explaining that it's a really bad > >idea to close this page before closing the browser running Freenet ... if you > >close it anyway, Bad Things happen - namely your firefox profile default gets > >reset. > > Yeah, I got that. And I'm not very good at doing what I'm told ;-) > > > > > > I've had a node up on a Win NT box for ca. 24 hours in promiscuous > > > > > mode. It's connected to ca. 20 nodes, and is slow but > > > > > acceptably-responsive. When I'm not browsing, input and output rates > > > > > are 16.1 KiB/sec and 18.6 KiB/sec respectively. Although output > > > > > tends to mirror input, there are frequent output spikes that seem to > > > > > originate from my node. In other words, my node seems to be working. > > > > My node's been up continuously now for about three days, with ca. 20 > peers, 25.1 KiB/sec average input rate, 27.1 KiB/sec average output > rate (of 50.0 KiB/sec) and 13.9 KiB/sec average payload output rate > (51%). Is that reasonable? With 20 connected/backed off peers? It's a bit low, mine's been a bit low lately too though... > > However, in order to achieve that, I've had to stay logged on Win > NT. If I log off while sleeping or away, which has been my practice, > Freenet appears to keep running (based on network activity) for a > while. However, when I log on the next day, I find that the node > isn't connected to any peers, and also that it won't connect until I > stop and restart it. That is really bizarre. File a bug on https://bugs.freenetproject.org/ . Include wrapper.log and any ERRORs in logs/ ... > > Freenet runs as user ".\freenet", and I get that y'all switched from > running as LocalSystem to improve security . Yes. > Am I correct in > guessing that ".\freenet" is linked to my user account, and so the > Freenet service hangs after I log off? No, it's a separate user. > Could Freenet run safely as > LocalService or NetworkService? No idea. Probably. Would it be better? > > > > > > I have a relatively underutilized Win SBS 2003 server, and I'm > > > > > thinking of setting up a node in Ubuntu/VMware via a dedicated > > > > > physical NIC. And I'm thinking of running in nonpersistent mode, so > > > > > that the node and all traces of its activity are lost when I shut it > > > > > down. Would that be problematic for Freenet, if the node were up for > > > > > at least a few weeks per instance? > > > > > > > >Not if it was online for a reasonable time, although obviously it would be > > > >better for the network if it was just up. > > > > > > Would it be better for the network if I paused it as a snapshot > > > whenever I needed to reboot? I don't reboot often, just as part of > > > installing updates or when messing with hardware. > > > >Why not just restart it each time? The only reason to recreate it on each > >startup is in case the datastore contains something incriminating... > > Although I have no interest in seeing for myself, I gather that > Freenet contains truly awful stuff. If that's so, it's quite likely > that "the datastore contains something incriminating". Right? Yes, but it's encrypted, and you don't have the key. To find the key you would have to go looking for such filth. This provides a reasonable degree of plausible deniability. > But > given that I'm running Freenet, I've obviously accepted that as a > necessary cost of freedom. Also, I get that the datastore is > encrypted, and that I cannot be expected to know what's > there. Conversely, the contents of my download folder are not > encrypted, but arguably I must have put them there intentionally. Right, that's the difference. > > Even so, I'm nervous. Perhaps there are flogs with driveby > downloads. I was thinking of running in nonpersistent mode as an > additional safeguard. But I do appreciate how doing that would > partially defeat Freenet's data routing and retention logic. Anyway, > I'm now thinking that running an encrypted virtual machine may be an > acceptable alternative. Possibly. If it's transient it would be recreated on startup; if it isn't, it would obviously be possible to investigate it if the computer was taken away. > > Thanks again for your contributions and support. This is fun :-) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080503/ae9742df/attachment.pgp From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Sat May 3 16:50:35 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 17:50:35 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] some wiki changes - comments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200805031750.36400.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Saturday 03 May 2008 15:20, Ermanno Baschiera wrote: > Hi, > I took some freedom and time to edit this page: > http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FirstTimersHandBook > I cut the part about exchanging the reference on IRC and posting it at > bulix, because it seems to me a non-safe practice. Using Opennet, you > save yourself the time and pain to do all that public copy/pasting and > also keeping "Friends" you actually don't know. In the Friends section, this needs updating, it refers to setting a name in step 3. "This is referred to your node reference. First check to make sure that your myName doesn't say something like Node created around (number) if it does, please go back to step 3 in the last section. (Note: Some consider this naming of the nodes as a potential security risk, thus it is suggested to re-name the node as soon as possible.)" > Also, the same document lost much value when came out Opennet, maybe > it could be deleted, because this page > http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetConnections is very similar. Mostly it's useful if the user didn't use the wizard, or for exchanging Friends... The FreenetConnections page doesn't mention opennet at all, it implies that you have to swap refs manually .. you want to fix this too? > Personal note: I find the official Documentation > (http://freenetproject.org/documentation.html and also > http://freenetproject.org/download.html) better than the wiki... maybe > too few contributions? The in-svn documentation tends to be out of date too. :| > > Greetings. > > -ermanno baschiera -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The > > "Memory Allocation" (in Environment section of web interface) says: > > > > Maximum memory the JVM will allocate 130.112 KiB > > Memory currently allocated by the JVM 130.112 KiB > > Memory in use 122.215.232 Bytes > > Estimated memory used by logger None > > Unused allocated memory 11.017.328 Bytes > > > > The computer has 1 GB of RAM. Should I increase the amount of memory > > to Freenet node? > > Yes, try 192 or 256. Let me know whether it helps. > > > > As a side note, Load sometimes gets to values larger than 100 %, but > > that's usually not a precursor to 100 % CPU, though. > > Load includes disk I/O too. From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Sat May 3 22:21:14 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Sat, 3 May 2008 23:21:14 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1145 Message-ID: <200805032321.19518.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Freenet 0.7 build 1145 is now available. Please upgrade (your node should download the new build automatically, if it doesn't tell me). Hopefully this will be the last build before 0.7.0, or at least the last one with major changes. Please test it thoroughly and report any bugs you find. Changes: - More work on the port forwarding alerts. - Some minor fproxy and queue fixes. - Activelinks for Another Index and TUFI. - Tabs at the top of the config page for simple vs advanced options. The default is determined by whether advanced mode is on. Several options moved to advanced mode, what's left should be comprehensible to any newbie. - Set the default bandwidth in the post-install wizard to 1024+/256k. This is now 16K/sec, not 24K/sec. - Translation updates (French, German, Italian). - Lots of USK fixes. Hopefully ARKs work now. - Fix MTU detection in JSTUN plugin and related code. - Lots of minor fixes and improvements to the datastore code. - Better out of memory and low memory handling. - The installer now installs a service (via a cron job) on *nix and OS/X as well as Windows. - And a few other minor fixes and code cleanups etc. Credits: batosai j16sdiz Loki (pointed out a menu bug) NEOatNHNG nextgens sdiz Singularity toad tommy -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080503/765fc67b/attachment.pgp From ebaschiera at gmail.com Sun May 4 06:50:59 2008 From: ebaschiera at gmail.com (Ermanno Baschiera) Date: Sun, 4 May 2008 08:50:59 +0200 Subject: [freenet-support] CPU at 100 %, frequent restarts needed In-Reply-To: <8e767170805031258y22ba3678o5bdb7058e33e4aea@mail.gmail.com> References: <8e767170805031258y22ba3678o5bdb7058e33e4aea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: wrapper.conf -ermanno 2008/5/3 Level 13 : > Forgive my ignorance, but where do I change the allotted memory for > Freenet? Couldn't find it under Configure in the menu, and neither in > freenet.ini. > > > > > > As for the memory - I haven't changed any settings about memory. The > > > "Memory Allocation" (in Environment section of web interface) says: > > > > > > Maximum memory the JVM will allocate 130.112 KiB > > > Memory currently allocated by the JVM 130.112 KiB > > > Memory in use 122.215.232 Bytes > > > Estimated memory used by logger None > > > Unused allocated memory 11.017.328 Bytes > > > > > > The computer has 1 GB of RAM. Should I increase the amount of memory > > > to Freenet node? > > > > Yes, try 192 or 256. Let me know whether it helps. > > > > > > > As a side note, Load sometimes gets to values larger than 100 %, but > > > that's usually not a precursor to 100 % CPU, though. > > > > Load includes disk I/O too. > > > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > From jimcook at panix.com Sun May 4 20:15:18 2008 From: jimcook at panix.com (Jim Cook) Date: Sun, 04 May 2008 16:15:18 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] update and more questions In-Reply-To: <200805031743.14067.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <20080429024410.05817108C3@mailbackend.panix.com> <200804301811.40912.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <20080503005851.A778619867@mailbackend.panix.com> <200805031743.14067.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20080504201553.EF6B8127BB@mailbackend.panix.com> At 12:43 PM 5/3/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > My node's been up continuously now for about three days, with ca. 20 > > peers, 25.1 KiB/sec average input rate, 27.1 KiB/sec average output > > rate (of 50.0 KiB/sec) and 13.9 KiB/sec average payload output rate > > (51%). Is that reasonable? > >With 20 connected/backed off peers? It's a bit low, mine's been a bit low >lately too though... I've only provided the default 128M wrapper memory. Could that be a factor? Are there other config settings that might be limiting throughput? > > However, in order to achieve that, I've had to stay logged on Win > > NT. If I log off while sleeping or away, which has been my practice, > > Freenet appears to keep running (based on network activity) for a > > while. However, when I log on the next day, I find that the node > > isn't connected to any peers, and also that it won't connect until I > > stop and restart it. > >That is really bizarre. File a bug on https://bugs.freenetproject.org/ . >Include wrapper.log and any ERRORs in logs/ ... After checking the logs, it's clear what's going on. Freenet runs just fine after I log off; indeed, it seems to be happier. However, when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops connections before the system frees up. Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP services manager, it connects immediately. Is that behavior normal? > > Freenet runs as user ".\freenet", and I get that y'all switched from > > running as LocalSystem to improve security >. > >Yes. > > > Am I correct in > > guessing that ".\freenet" is linked to my user account, and so the > > Freenet service hangs after I log off? > >No, it's a separate user. > > > Could Freenet run safely as > > LocalService or NetworkService? > >No idea. Probably. Would it be better? I have no clue. On my Win XP system now, Freenet is the only service running as a non-standard user. Most services are running as LocalSystem, and the rest are running as LocalService or NetworkService. I gather that LocalService and NetworkService have restricted permissions, apparently more-or-less comparable to default non-admin users. But I've never needed to mess with that stuff, so I don't know it. And it seems to be OK as is, so I won't mess with it. > > >Why not just restart [the node] each time? The only reason to recreate it > > >on each startup is in case the datastore contains something > incriminating... > > > > Although I have no interest in seeing for myself, I gather that > > Freenet contains truly awful stuff. If that's so, it's quite likely > > that "the datastore contains something incriminating". Right? > >Yes, but it's encrypted, and you don't have the key. To find the key >you would >have to go looking for such filth. This provides a reasonable degree of >plausible deniability. > > > But > > given that I'm running Freenet, I've obviously accepted that as a > > necessary cost of freedom. Also, I get that the datastore is > > encrypted, and that I cannot be expected to know what's > > there. Conversely, the contents of my download folder are not > > encrypted, but arguably I must have put them there intentionally. > >Right, that's the difference. > > > > Even so, I'm nervous. Perhaps there are flogs with driveby > > downloads. I was thinking of running in nonpersistent mode as an > > additional safeguard. But I do appreciate how doing that would > > partially defeat Freenet's data routing and retention logic. Anyway, > > I'm now thinking that running an encrypted virtual machine may be an > > acceptable alternative. > >Possibly. If it's transient it would be recreated on startup; if it isn't, it >would obviously be possible to investigate it if the computer was taken away. For now, I've just created an AES-encrypted virtual disk to store downloads. >* PGP Signed by an unknown key >* text/plain body >* Unknown Key >* 0xE43DA450 = Jim Cook From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Mon May 5 17:50:36 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Mon, 5 May 2008 18:50:36 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] update and more questions In-Reply-To: <20080504201553.EF6B8127BB@mailbackend.panix.com> References: <20080429024410.05817108C3@mailbackend.panix.com> <200805031743.14067.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <20080504201553.EF6B8127BB@mailbackend.panix.com> Message-ID: <200805051850.41268.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Sunday 04 May 2008 21:15, Jim Cook wrote: > At 12:43 PM 5/3/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > > > My node's been up continuously now for about three days, with ca. 20 > > > peers, 25.1 KiB/sec average input rate, 27.1 KiB/sec average output > > > rate (of 50.0 KiB/sec) and 13.9 KiB/sec average payload output rate > > > (51%). Is that reasonable? > > > >With 20 connected/backed off peers? It's a bit low, mine's been a bit low > >lately too though... > > I've only provided the default 128M wrapper memory. Could that be a > factor? Are there other config settings that might be limiting throughput? Perhaps. Mostly memory is used by the queue (and to a lesser extent the datastore database backend). > > > > However, in order to achieve that, I've had to stay logged on Win > > > NT. If I log off while sleeping or away, which has been my practice, > > > Freenet appears to keep running (based on network activity) for a > > > while. However, when I log on the next day, I find that the node > > > isn't connected to any peers, and also that it won't connect until I > > > stop and restart it. > > > >That is really bizarre. File a bug on https://bugs.freenetproject.org/ . > >Include wrapper.log and any ERRORs in logs/ ... > > After checking the logs, it's clear what's going on. Freenet runs > just fine after I log off; indeed, it seems to be happier. However, > when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the > node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old > machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed > out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and > UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops > connections before the system frees up. Eeek. We should seriously consider increasing Freenet's base priority from BELOW_NORMAL to NORMAL. We use thread priorities everywhere, only threads which are critical and don't use much CPU are high priority, so 95% of the time this shouldn't impact on system performance... See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2337 > > Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it > hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP > services manager, it connects immediately. That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? > > Is that behavior normal? No, it may be a bug. > > > > Freenet runs as user ".\freenet", and I get that y'all switched from > > > running as LocalSystem to improve security > >. > > > >Yes. > > > > > Am I correct in > > > guessing that ".\freenet" is linked to my user account, and so the > > > Freenet service hangs after I log off? > > > >No, it's a separate user. > > > > > Could Freenet run safely as > > > LocalService or NetworkService? > > > >No idea. Probably. Would it be better? > > I have no clue. On my Win XP system now, Freenet is the only service > running as a non-standard user. Most services are running as > LocalSystem, and the rest are running as LocalService or > NetworkService. I gather that LocalService and NetworkService have > restricted permissions, apparently more-or-less comparable to default > non-admin users. But I've never needed to mess with that stuff, so I > don't know it. And it seems to be OK as is, so I won't mess with it. We could do that. I dunno if it would be better, the current way may be better although it's not what other apps do... https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2336 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, > > when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the > > node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old > > machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed > > out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and > > UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops > > connections before the system frees up. > >Eeek. We should seriously consider increasing Freenet's base priority from >BELOW_NORMAL to NORMAL. We use thread priorities everywhere, only threads >which are critical and don't use much CPU are high priority, so 95% of the >time this shouldn't impact on system performance... > >See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2337 I've increased its base priority to NORMAL. > > Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it > > hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP > > services manager, it connects immediately. > >That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? Yes, it keeps trying, but reports "java.net.SocketException: Protocol not allowed". After stopping the node and restarting, it adds its first peer within two minutes, has five by four minutes, and rapidly connects to ca. 20. > > Is that behavior normal? > >No, it may be a bug. I wasn't keeping enough logs to span the last logoff/logon, but I saw the same behavior after the update to Build #1145. Within a few hours after the update, the node dropped all connections, and wouldn't reconnect until I stopped and restarted. I'll e-mail log excerpts off list. = Jim Cook From jimcook at panix.com Tue May 6 01:49:36 2008 From: jimcook at panix.com (Jim Cook) Date: Mon, 05 May 2008 21:49:36 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet and Tor Message-ID: <20080506014952.ABFFA1A1D@mailbackend.panix.com> Tor's FAQ notes ... "Tor and Freenet work on different levels: Tor is about transport, and Freenet is about storage/retrieval. So it would make perfect sense (assuming we become happy with the scalability and decentralization properties) to use Tor to get anonymous transport between Freenet nodes." That sounds cool. But is it feasible, given that Freenet uses UDP and Tor uses TCP? I've read on Freenet's website the possible ways to anonymize internode connections, and saw no mention of Tor. = Jim Cook From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Tue May 6 13:17:17 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 14:17:17 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] update and more questions In-Reply-To: <20080506004128.46204FCED@mailbackend.panix.com> References: <20080429024410.05817108C3@mailbackend.panix.com> <200805051850.41268.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <20080506004128.46204FCED@mailbackend.panix.com> Message-ID: <200805061417.22994.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Tuesday 06 May 2008 01:41, Jim Cook wrote: > At 01:50 PM 5/5/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > > > After checking the logs, it's clear what's going on. Freenet runs > > > just fine after I log off; indeed, it seems to be happier. However, > > > when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the > > > node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old > > > machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed > > > out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and > > > UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops > > > connections before the system frees up. > > > >Eeek. We should seriously consider increasing Freenet's base priority from > >BELOW_NORMAL to NORMAL. We use thread priorities everywhere, only threads > >which are critical and don't use much CPU are high priority, so 95% of the > >time this shouldn't impact on system performance... > > > >See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2337 > > I've increased its base priority to NORMAL. The above happened before this change? > > > > Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it > > > hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP > > > services manager, it connects immediately. > > > >That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? > > Yes, it keeps trying, but reports "java.net.SocketException: Protocol > not allowed". Because of IPv6? That's not related. Are you sure it tries to reseed? Does it show the announcing alert on the homepage? What does it say in the wrapper.log? > > After stopping the node and restarting, it adds its first peer within > two minutes, has five by four minutes, and rapidly connects to ca. 20. > > > > Is that behavior normal? > > > >No, it may be a bug. > > I wasn't keeping enough logs to span the last logoff/logon, but I saw > the same behavior after the update to Build #1145. Within a few > hours after the update, the node dropped all connections, and > wouldn't reconnect until I stopped and restarted. I'll e-mail log > excerpts off list. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But is it feasible, given that Freenet uses UDP > and Tor uses TCP? I've read on Freenet's website the possible ways > to anonymize internode connections, and saw no mention of Tor. It would be hideously expensive. Also I was under the impression that Tor doesn't recommend you use p2p apps over Tor (e.g. bittorrent), in fact that they regard it as a denial of service attack? Has this policy changed? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Click for quick cash with a payday loan. http://tagline.hushmail.com/fc/Ioyw6h4d80nr6GNZA7nInjKTGrORP88nrfOuK9hYQMLq24Kh70dVKd/ From jimcook at panix.com Tue May 6 20:24:26 2008 From: jimcook at panix.com (Jim Cook) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 16:24:26 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet and Tor In-Reply-To: <200805061418.44317.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <20080506014952.ABFFA1A1D@mailbackend.panix.com> <200805061418.44317.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20080506202442.7E6BC1665D@mailbackend.panix.com> At 09:18 AM 5/6/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: >* PGP Signed by an unknown key > >On Tuesday 06 May 2008 02:49, Jim Cook wrote: > > Tor's FAQ notes ... > > > > "Tor and Freenet work on different levels: Tor is about transport, > > and Freenet is about storage/retrieval. So it would make perfect > > sense (assuming we become happy with the scalability and > > decentralization properties) to use Tor to get anonymous transport > > between Freenet nodes." > > > > That sounds cool. But is it feasible, given that Freenet uses UDP > > and Tor uses TCP? I've read on Freenet's website the possible ways > > to anonymize internode connections, and saw no mention of Tor. > >It would be hideously expensive. ... Do you mean that it'd overtax Tor servers or Freenet nodes, or both? >... Also I was under the impression that Tor >doesn't recommend you use p2p apps over Tor (e.g. bittorrent), in fact that >they regard it as a denial of service attack? Has this policy changed? No, it hasn't (notwithstanding the comment re Freenet that I quoted). >* Unknown Key >* 0xE43DA450 > >_______________________________________________ >Support mailing list >Support at freenetproject.org >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > >* PGP Signed by an unknown key >* text/plain body >* Unknown Key >* 0xE43DA450 = Jim Cook From jimcook at panix.com Tue May 6 21:20:32 2008 From: jimcook at panix.com (Jim Cook) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 17:20:32 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] update and more questions In-Reply-To: <200805061417.22994.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <20080429024410.05817108C3@mailbackend.panix.com> <200805051850.41268.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <20080506004128.46204FCED@mailbackend.panix.com> <200805061417.22994.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20080506212049.0233410607@mailbackend.panix.com> At 09:17 AM 5/6/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: >* PGP Signed by an unknown key > >On Tuesday 06 May 2008 01:41, Jim Cook wrote: > > At 01:50 PM 5/5/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > > > > > > > After checking the logs, it's clear what's going on. Freenet runs > > > > just fine after I log off; indeed, it seems to be happier. However, > > > > when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the > > > > node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old > > > > machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed > > > > out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and > > > > UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops > > > > connections before the system frees up. > > > > > >Eeek. We should seriously consider increasing Freenet's base priority from > > >BELOW_NORMAL to NORMAL. We use thread priorities everywhere, only threads > > >which are critical and don't use much CPU are high priority, so 95% of the > > >time this shouldn't impact on system performance... > > > > > >See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2337 > > > > I've increased its base priority to NORMAL. > >The above happened before this change? Yes, it did. And I've realized that setting Freenet's priority to NORMAL in Process Explorer didn't persist, so I need to figure our how to make it so. > > > > Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it > > > > hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP > > > > services manager, it connects immediately. > > > > > >That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? > > > > Yes, it keeps trying, but reports "java.net.SocketException: Protocol > > not allowed". > >Because of IPv6? That's not related. Are you sure it tries to reseed? Does it >show the announcing alert on the homepage? What does it say in the >wrapper.log? On the homepage, it said that it was trying to connect, and that it would be slow for a while. I've e-mailed you the relevant part of the wrapper.log. = Jim Cook From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Wed May 7 01:19:26 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 02:19:26 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] update and more questions In-Reply-To: <20080506212049.0233410607@mailbackend.panix.com> References: <20080429024410.05817108C3@mailbackend.panix.com> <200805061417.22994.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <20080506212049.0233410607@mailbackend.panix.com> Message-ID: <200805070219.32236.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Tuesday 06 May 2008 22:20, Jim Cook wrote: > At 09:17 AM 5/6/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > >* PGP Signed by an unknown key > > > >On Tuesday 06 May 2008 01:41, Jim Cook wrote: > > > At 01:50 PM 5/5/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After checking the logs, it's clear what's going on. Freenet runs > > > > > just fine after I log off; indeed, it seems to be happier. However, > > > > > when I log on, various Freenet processes start timing out, and the > > > > > node drops all connections after ca. 10 min. This is a fairly old > > > > > machine with a 2.8 GHz Pentium D and 2 Gb RAM, and it's pretty maxed > > > > > out during logon. It loads three apps (Firefox, Eudora and > > > > > UltraEdit) and runs a few system and malware scans, and Freenet drops > > > > > connections before the system frees up. > > > > > > > >Eeek. We should seriously consider increasing Freenet's base priority from > > > >BELOW_NORMAL to NORMAL. We use thread priorities everywhere, only threads > > > >which are critical and don't use much CPU are high priority, so 95% of the > > > >time this shouldn't impact on system performance... > > > > > > > >See https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2337 > > > > > > I've increased its base priority to NORMAL. > > > >The above happened before this change? > > Yes, it did. And I've realized that setting Freenet's priority to > NORMAL in Process Explorer didn't persist, so I need to figure our > how to make it so. In wrapper.conf. > > > > > > Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I find that it > > > > > hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP > > > > > services manager, it connects immediately. > > > > > > > >That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? > > > > > > Yes, it keeps trying, but reports "java.net.SocketException: Protocol > > > not allowed". > > > >Because of IPv6? That's not related. Are you sure it tries to reseed? Does it > >show the announcing alert on the homepage? What does it say in the > >wrapper.log? > > On the homepage, it said that it was trying to connect, and that it > would be slow for a while. I've e-mailed you the relevant part of > the wrapper.log. What if you click on the alert? 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So it would make perfect > > > sense (assuming we become happy with the scalability and > > > decentralization properties) to use Tor to get anonymous transport > > > between Freenet nodes." > > > > > > That sounds cool. But is it feasible, given that Freenet uses UDP > > > and Tor uses TCP? I've read on Freenet's website the possible ways > > > to anonymize internode connections, and saw no mention of Tor. > > > >It would be hideously expensive. ... > > Do you mean that it'd overtax Tor servers or Freenet nodes, or both? I mean it would be very slow. > > >... Also I was under the impression that Tor > >doesn't recommend you use p2p apps over Tor (e.g. bittorrent), in fact that > >they regard it as a denial of service attack? Has this policy changed? > > No, it hasn't (notwithstanding the comment re Freenet that I quoted). -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080507/70fca29f/attachment.pgp From m2c at nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Wed May 7 01:39:14 2008 From: m2c at nym.panta-rhei.eu.org (MyTwoCents) Date: 7 May 2008 01:39:14 -0000 Subject: [freenet-support] FMS Woes Message-ID: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of announcing new identities has problems. 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 -0000 Message-ID: That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved by a program than a human. Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for people with vision impairments. The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. Which brings me to #2. How about some feedback? Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with a new one. This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat them while I beat him to death with my monitor! Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted anyway to make a point. - -- My public keys can be found on my freenet site: SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: N/A iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y =l+8j -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From evanbd at gmail.com Wed May 7 02:05:17 2008 From: evanbd at gmail.com (Evan Daniel) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 22:05:17 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] FMS Woes In-Reply-To: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> References: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> Message-ID: <4f9383510805061905k3a2105d6r9a84916dfecb5b3c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > > I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has > a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > announcing new identities has problems. > > 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > > Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 -0000 > Message-ID: > V2Gd4> > > That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > by a program than a human. > > Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to > say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > people with vision impairments. > > The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no > trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use > now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > > Which brings me to #2. > > How about some feedback? > > Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with > a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with > a new one. > > This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > > Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat > them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > > Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > > WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > > The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > anyway to make a point. > > - -- > My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E > Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E > I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by > Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org > Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: N/A > > iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja > DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y > =l+8j > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > I tried to read your flog but couldn't; your SSK is malformed. There are ways other than captchas to announce yourself. If I knew what your identity was I'd be happy to add it, as you're obviously human. You could post a patch with better captchas. As the initiator of the thread you referenced, I would be in favor. I've got some code I'm playing with, but it's not there yet. Working on other people's code always feels more like work than fun, and the same is true of C++, so it probably won't get posted for a while yet. In the meantime I've modified the FMS source so that my node will post easier versions of the same captchas. If this creates a spam problem, I apologize; somebody tell me if I'm announcing all the spammers and don't notice :D I won't post the changes I made. They're trivial and anyone else can make similar ones, and besides having more variety is probably not a bad thing. I encourage people to do the same, provided they're willing to pay attention in case they end up announcing spammers. Evan Daniel From jimcook at panix.com Wed May 7 03:20:10 2008 From: jimcook at panix.com (Jim Cook) Date: Tue, 06 May 2008 23:20:10 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] update and more questions In-Reply-To: <200805070219.32236.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <20080429024410.05817108C3@mailbackend.panix.com> <200805061417.22994.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <20080506212049.0233410607@mailbackend.panix.com> <200805070219.32236.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <20080507032026.98362120AC@mailbackend.panix.com> At 09:19 PM 5/6/2008, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > ... And I've realized that setting Freenet's priority to > > NORMAL in Process Explorer didn't persist, so I need to figure our > > how to make it so. > >In wrapper.conf. Doh. Thanks. > > > > > > Although Freenet reports that it's trying to connect, I > find that it > > > > > > hasn't after more than 2 hr. But once I stop and restart in Win XP > > > > > > services manager, it connects immediately. > > > > > > > > > >That's bad. It ought to recover. Does it try to reseed? > > > > > > > > Yes, it keeps trying, but reports "java.net.SocketException: Protocol > > > > not allowed". > > > > > >Because of IPv6? That's not related. Are you sure it tries to > reseed? Does >it > > >show the announcing alert on the homepage? What does it say in the > > >wrapper.log? > > > > On the homepage, it said that it was trying to connect, and that it > > would be slow for a while. I've e-mailed you the relevant part of > > the wrapper.log. > >What if you click on the alert? Show me the details. OK, the next time it happens, I'll reply again with the details. = Jim Cook From aryan.pervaiz at gmail.com Wed May 7 03:20:51 2008 From: aryan.pervaiz at gmail.com (aman pervaiz) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:20:51 -0700 Subject: [freenet-support] FMS Woes In-Reply-To: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> References: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> Message-ID: Definitely agree with the captchas problem. I was unable to announce my identity and gave up! Frost, though spammed right now is light years ahead usability wise. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 6:39 PM, MyTwoCents wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > > I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has > a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > announcing new identities has problems. > > 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > > Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 -0000 > Message-ID: > V2Gd4> > > That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > by a program than a human. > > Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to > say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > people with vision impairments. > > The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no > trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use > now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > > Which brings me to #2. > > How about some feedback? > > Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with > a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with > a new one. > > This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > > Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat > them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > > Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > > WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > > The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > anyway to make a point. > > - -- > My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E > Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E > I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by > Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org > Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: N/A > > iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja > DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y > =l+8j > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Though I know that I know nothing. From evanbd at gmail.com Wed May 7 03:36:50 2008 From: evanbd at gmail.com (Evan Daniel) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 23:36:50 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] FMS Woes In-Reply-To: <4f9383510805061905k3a2105d6r9a84916dfecb5b3c@mail.gmail.com> References: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> <4f9383510805061905k3a2105d6r9a84916dfecb5b3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f9383510805062036v50b8cbe9hc638215ce45efdff@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 10:05 PM, Evan Daniel wrote: > > On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents wrote: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > > since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > > SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > > > > I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > > been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has > > a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > > announcing new identities has problems. > > > > 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > > Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > > SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > > messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > > > > Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > > From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > > Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 -0000 > > Message-ID: > > > V2Gd4> > > > > That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > > by a program than a human. > > > > Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to > > say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > > think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > > people with vision impairments. > > > > The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no > > trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use > > now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > > (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > > part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > > > > Which brings me to #2. > > > > How about some feedback? > > > > Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > > right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > > fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with > > a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with > > a new one. > > > > This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > > almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > > got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > > ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > > > > Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > > absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > > that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > > going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat > > them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > > > > Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > > > > WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > > > > The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > > anyway to make a point. > > > > - -- > > My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > > SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > > (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > > and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E > > Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E > > I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by > > Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org > > Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: N/A > > > > iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja > > DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y > > =l+8j > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > I tried to read your flog but couldn't; your SSK is malformed. > > There are ways other than captchas to announce yourself. If I knew > what your identity was I'd be happy to add it, as you're obviously > human. > > You could post a patch with better captchas. As the initiator of the > thread you referenced, I would be in favor. I've got some code I'm > playing with, but it's not there yet. Working on other people's code > always feels more like work than fun, and the same is true of C++, so > it probably won't get posted for a while yet. > > In the meantime I've modified the FMS source so that my node will post > easier versions of the same captchas. If this creates a spam problem, > I apologize; somebody tell me if I'm announcing all the spammers and > don't notice :D > > I won't post the changes I made. They're trivial and anyone else can > make similar ones, and besides having more variety is probably not a > bad thing. I encourage people to do the same, provided they're > willing to pay attention in case they end up announcing spammers. > > Evan Daniel > Addendum 1: The same offer is open to anyone competent to write an email that gets past my spam filter. Include your FMS Id and I'll announce it with a trust rating of 50. Offer valid until someone decides to be an asshat and abuse it. Addendum 2: There is a potential identity leak if you run customized easier captchas and have multiple identities. I believe I have a solution locally, but you're on your own on this one. Evan Daniel From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Wed May 7 12:05:15 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 13:05:15 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] FMS Woes In-Reply-To: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> References: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> Message-ID: <200805071305.21555.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Success/failure feedback isn't feasible as it would transform the problem into a hashcash problem. What is feasible is adding one more character which would be a checksum of the rest, of course this would mess up sometimes... On Wednesday 07 May 2008 02:39, MyTwoCents wrote: > I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > > I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has > a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > announcing new identities has problems. > > 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > > Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 -0000 > Message-ID: > V2Gd4> > > That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > by a program than a human. > > Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to > say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > people with vision impairments. > > The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no > trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use > now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > > Which brings me to #2. > > How about some feedback? > > Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with > a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with > a new one. > > This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > > Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat > them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > > Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > > WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > > The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > anyway to make a point. > > -- > My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > and on public keyservers. 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080507/489d70a5/attachment.pgp From m2c at nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Thu May 8 05:32:28 2008 From: m2c at nym.panta-rhei.eu.org (MyTwoCents) Date: 8 May 2008 05:32:28 -0000 Subject: [freenet-support] FMS Woes References: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> <4f9383510805061905k3a2105d6r9a84916dfecb5b3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 6 May 2008, "Evan Daniel" wrote: >On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that >> since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets >> SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also >> >> I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have >> been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has >> a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of >> announcing new identities has problems. >> >> 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. >> Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the >> SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post >> messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: >> >> Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck >> From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 >> Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 -0000 >> Message-ID: >> > V2Gd4> >> >> That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved >> by a program than a human. >> >> Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to >> say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also >> think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for >> people with vision impairments. >> >> The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no >> trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use >> now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" >> (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better >> part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. >> >> Which brings me to #2. >> >> How about some feedback? >> >> Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it >> right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to >> fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with >> a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with >> a new one. >> >> This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, >> almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually >> got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely >> ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! >> >> Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the >> absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably >> that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm >> going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat >> them while I beat him to death with my monitor! >> >> Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! >> >> WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? >> >> The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted >> anyway to make a point. >> >> - -- >> My public keys can be found on my freenet site: >> SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html >> (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) >> and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E >> Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E >> I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by >> Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org >> Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: N/A >> >> iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja >> DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y >> =l+8j >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Support mailing list >> Support at freenetproject.org >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >> Unsubscribe at >> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >> Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >> > >I tried to read your flog but couldn't; your SSK is malformed. That's not malformed. It's an 0.5 key. My flog is mirrored on both networks 0.7 key is (wordwrap is probably gonna kill this. ymmv) USK at 0wysM1-lkx2I-iEE8FCfepf5BCpHk4pXQSsMi9KjDAA,rQ8XqGy-MFZIMbM3zWE0VwXzNUf T7lcp5gVYOoFFzio,AQACAAE/mytwocents/11/ (it's also listed on 'Another Index') >There are ways other than captchas to announce yourself. If I knew >what your identity was I'd be happy to add it, as you're obviously >human. I'd take you up on that if it werent for a stubborn streak that insists on my being able to do it myself by following the few directions I could find and the software working and letting me in. >You could post a patch with better captchas. As the initiator of the If I had the skills I'd be glad to give it a go. Unfortunately I don't. >thread you referenced, I would be in favor. I've got some code I'm >playing with, but it's not there yet. Working on other people's code >always feels more like work than fun, and the same is true of C++, so >it probably won't get posted for a while yet. Does this mean that these images are somehow generated as needed instead of selected from a pool of stock images? >In the meantime I've modified the FMS source so that my node will post >easier versions of the same captchas. If this creates a spam problem, >I apologize; somebody tell me if I'm announcing all the spammers and >don't notice :D I'll be sure to mention it when I see any 'easier' versions. In the meantime I'm going to try with this version of FMS (0.2.9) for another day or two. Then I'm going to kill the thing and wait for the next version. It's not worth all this frustration trying to solve something that won't even tell me if I'm right or not. I *** -=*>HATE<*=- *** guessing games and that's all this announcement thing is to me. If I can't figure out what a captcha says in less than 30seconds, it's probably not worth trying. As for the images FMS is using, I can't begin to express how much utter contempt I have for the decision to use that type of captcha when there are a lot of them around the internet that are at least human readable. - -- My public keys can be found on my freenet site: SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/63//m2ckey.html (*NOTE* you must be running freenet 0.5 for this link to be usefull) and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: N/A iQA/AwUBSCEhA55/ZUtfDwnNEQKvlQCfSJC9mR1grRd5h9cFUg7Pi18wGcEAnjJ3 ZtQqvyvYoMxCnWWRdmw7EMbp =AeXU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Thu May 8 18:30:21 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 19:30:21 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.0 released! Message-ID: <200805081930.21794.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> The Freenet Project is very pleased to announce the release of Freenet 0.7.0. Freenet is software designed to allow the free exchange of information over the Internet without fear of censorship, or reprisal. To achieve this Freenet makes it very difficult for adversaries to reveal the identity, either of the person publishing, or downloading content. The Freenet project started in 1999, released Freenet 0.1 in March 2000, and has been under active development ever since. Freenet is unique in that it handles the storage of content, meaning that if necessary users can upload content to Freenet and then disconnect. We've discovered that this is a key requirement for many Freenet users. Once uploaded, content is mirrored and moved around the Freenet network, making it very difficult to trace, or to destroy. Content will remain in Freenet for as long as people are retrieving it, although Freenet makes no guarantee that content will be stored indefinitely. The journey towards Freenet 0.7 began in 2005 with the realization that some of Freenet's most vulnerable users needed to hide the fact that they were using Freenet, not just what they were doing with it. The result of this realization was a ground-up redesign and rewrite of Freenet, adding a "darknet" capability, allowing users to limit who their Freenet software would communicate with to trusted friends. This would make it far more difficult for a third-party to determine who is using Freenet. Freenet 0.7 also embodies significant improvements to almost every other aspect of Freenet, including efficiency, security, and usability. Freenet is available for Windows, Linux, and OSX. It can be downloaded from: http://freenetproject.org/download.html This release would not have been possible without the release of numerous volunteers, and Matthew Toseland, Freenet's full time developer. Matthew's work is funded through donations via our website (as well as a few larger sponsors from time to time). 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Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080508/8a3fd0d4/attachment.pgp From evanbd at gmail.com Thu May 8 18:43:58 2008 From: evanbd at gmail.com (Evan Daniel) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 14:43:58 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] FMS Woes In-Reply-To: References: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> <4f9383510805061905k3a2105d6r9a84916dfecb5b3c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4f9383510805081143x5f04827ew4a0a61f6a1660937@mail.gmail.com> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:32 AM, MyTwoCents wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On Tue, 6 May 2008, "Evan Daniel" wrote: > >On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 9:39 PM, MyTwoCents wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> I was going to just post this on my flog (which I did) but decided that > >> since I've no idea if any devs read it, I want to be certain that it gets > >> SOME actual notice by developer types and thus posted it here also > >> > >> I've been taking a bit of time lately to check in on 0.7 again and have > >> been trying out FMS. I have to say that while the idea is a good one, has > >> a few things that need to be addressed. Specifically the process of > >> announcing new identities has problems. > >> > >> 1) The capcha images themselves have absolutely GOT to be changed. > >> Because: "You must have at least 1 identity created and have received the > >> SSK keypair for it from Freenet before setting trust.", I cannot post > >> messages yet, I have been able to read a few, including one: > >> > >> Subject: Re: current CAPTCHAs suck > >> From: The Seeker at cI~w2hrvvyUa1E6PhJ9j5cCoG1xmxSooi7Nez4V2Gd4 > >> Date: Thu, 01 May 08 21:31:52 -0000 > >> Message-ID: > >> >> V2Gd4> > >> > >> That expresses the opinion that the captchas are more likely to be solved > >> by a program than a human. > >> > >> Having spent a few hours trying in vain to read the damn things, I have to > >> say that I wouldn't be surprized if that were true. Of course, I also > >> think that they were specifically designed to make life difficult for > >> people with vision impairments. > >> > >> The images need to be something that an actual human will have little to no > >> trouble reading them. Unfortunately, the graphic abortions that are in use > >> now are apparently impossible for me to read, since I've been "solving" > >> (not that I know if they're 'solved' or just wrong.) them for the better > >> part of a week now and have yet to get my identity announced. > >> > >> Which brings me to #2. > >> > >> How about some feedback? > >> > >> Specifically, when I "solve" a captcha, how about telling me if I got it > >> right or not? My thought, present captchas one at a time. Allow user to > >> fill in and submit. If incorrect, TELL THE USER!!!, then present them with > >> a new one. If it's correct, again TELL THE USER!!! then present them with > >> a new one. > >> > >> This business of sitting here going nearly blind trying to read faint, > >> almost invisible characters is bad enough, not even knowing if I actually > >> got one right is liable to make somebody homicidal. There's absolutely > >> ZERO reason for this to be a fargin guessing game! > >> > >> Frankly, if I ever get my hands on the > >> absolute-brain-dead-moron-studying-to-be-an-idiot-and-failing-miserably > >> that decided to use that kind of damn-near-invisible-characters-image I'm > >> going to print out 10,000 pages of them on plywood sheeds and make him eat > >> them while I beat him to death with my monitor! > >> > >> Can you tell I'm more than just casually frustrated here? Good! > >> > >> WILL SOMEBODY PLEASE FIX THE DAMNED CAPTCHAS ON FMS?!? > >> > >> The preceeding was written while frustrated and angry and then posted > >> anyway to make a point. > >> > >> - -- > >> My public keys can be found on my freenet site: > >> SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/62//m2ckey.html > >> (*NOTE* you must be running freenet for this link to be usefull) > >> and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E > >> Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E > >> I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by > >> Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org > >> Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board > >> > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> Version: N/A > >> > >> iQA/AwUBSCDgbJ5/ZUtfDwnNEQL29wCfW8gK6/+WA3h7bqnKxeIdzQ30GAcAn2ja > >> DbIHNfhKs12uZq8FvGYc340y > >> =l+8j > >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Support mailing list > >> Support at freenetproject.org > >> http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >> Unsubscribe at > >> http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >> Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > >> > > > >I tried to read your flog but couldn't; your SSK is malformed. > > That's not malformed. It's an 0.5 key. My flog is mirrored on both > networks > 0.7 key is (wordwrap is probably gonna kill this. ymmv) > USK at 0wysM1-lkx2I-iEE8FCfepf5BCpHk4pXQSsMi9KjDAA,rQ8XqGy-MFZIMbM3zWE0VwXzNUf > T7lcp5gVYOoFFzio,AQACAAE/mytwocents/11/ > (it's also listed on 'Another Index') > > > >There are ways other than captchas to announce yourself. If I knew > >what your identity was I'd be happy to add it, as you're obviously > >human. > > I'd take you up on that if it werent for a stubborn streak that insists on > my being able to do it myself by following the few directions I could find > and the software working and letting me in. > > > >You could post a patch with better captchas. As the initiator of the > > If I had the skills I'd be glad to give it a go. Unfortunately I don't. > > > >thread you referenced, I would be in favor. I've got some code I'm > >playing with, but it's not there yet. Working on other people's code > >always feels more like work than fun, and the same is true of C++, so > >it probably won't get posted for a while yet. > > Does this mean that these images are somehow generated as needed instead of > selected from a pool of stock images? > > > >In the meantime I've modified the FMS source so that my node will post > >easier versions of the same captchas. If this creates a spam problem, > >I apologize; somebody tell me if I'm announcing all the spammers and > >don't notice :D > > I'll be sure to mention it when I see any 'easier' versions. > > In the meantime I'm going to try with this version of FMS (0.2.9) for > another day or two. Then I'm going to kill the thing and wait for the next > version. It's not worth all this frustration trying to solve something > that won't even tell me if I'm right or not. > > I *** -=*>HATE<*=- *** guessing games and that's all this announcement > thing is to me. > > If I can't figure out what a captcha says in less than 30seconds, it's > probably not worth trying. As for the images FMS is using, I can't begin > to express how much utter contempt I have for the decision to use that type > of captcha when there are a lot of them around the internet that are at > least human readable. You might want to upgrade to the latest version of FMS (0.2.14). I found a rather relevant bug, which SomeDude has fixed: identities were publishing captchas even when they weren't publishing trust lists. If you solved one of their captchas, you would be announced to them, but not to anyone else. Given the fraction of identities publishing trust lists (low), this means that your odds of actually getting announced are small, at best. 0.2.14 will not download captchas from identities not publishing trust lists, and won't publish them if you're not publishing one. Yes, the captchas are automatically generated on demand; the code is in simplecaptcha.cpp. If there was a stock database it wouldn't work, as a spammer could just harvest the whole database. I'm not going to continue my brief attempt to make a different captcha system (though I'll keep running my easier version of the same style captcha). There are many far more competent people out there working on the problem, and the current state of the art appears to be that the spammers are winning. There have been some interesting proposals recently, eg: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080423-researchers-stay-step-ahead-of-bots-with-image-based-captcha.html My current belief is that captchas are doomed, and some alternate system is needed. I have no clue what it is; currently, I think hashcash might be the best option, as bad as it is. For now, out of band introductions are a good thing, though obviously not a complete solution -- though I can certainly sympathize with your stubbornness :) Evan Daniel From gc.seaman at verizon.net Fri May 9 04:19:34 2008 From: gc.seaman at verizon.net (Gary Seaman) Date: Thu, 08 May 2008 21:19:34 -0700 Subject: [freenet-support] Uninstaller Message-ID: The Java Jar file "uninstaller.jar" could not be launched. Check the Console for possible error messages. How do I uninstall greenet? Gary Seaman Life Is Not A Rehearsal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080508/344f244a/attachment.htm From m2c at nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Sat May 10 06:49:54 2008 From: m2c at nym.panta-rhei.eu.org (MyTwoCents) Date: 10 May 2008 06:49:54 -0000 Subject: [freenet-support] FMS Woes References: <8TNQB6WK39575.1522453704@anonymous.poster> <4f9383510805081143x5f04827ew4a0a61f6a1660937@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 8 May 2008, "Evan Daniel" wrote: {huge snip] >You might want to upgrade to the latest version of FMS (0.2.14). I >found a rather relevant bug, which SomeDude has fixed: identities >were publishing captchas even when they weren't publishing trust >lists. If you solved one of their captchas, you would be announced to >them, but not to anyone else. Given the fraction of identities >publishing trust lists (low), this means that your odds of actually >getting announced are small, at best. 0.2.14 will not download >captchas from identities not publishing trust lists, and won't publish >them if you're not publishing one. Ok, I'll have a go at the new version. That definitely sounds like a major improvement. I wonder why there's such a low fraction publishing trust lists? >Yes, the captchas are automatically generated on demand; the code is >in simplecaptcha.cpp. If there was a stock database it wouldn't work, >as a spammer could just harvest the whole database. > >I'm not going to continue my brief attempt to make a different captcha >system (though I'll keep running my easier version of the same style >captcha). There are many far more competent people out there working >on the problem, and the current state of the art appears to be that >the spammers are winning. There have been some interesting proposals >recently, eg: >http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080423-researchers-stay-step-ahead- >of-bots-with-image-based-captcha.html I read that article a few days ago. I'd absoultely hate to see one of those on a normal internet site but it *might* be useful for something like FMS. >My current belief is that captchas are doomed, and some alternate >system is needed. I have no clue what it is; currently, I think >hashcash might be the best option, as bad as it is. For now, out of Hashcash IMO, isn't so bad a solution. I use hashcash tokens whenever I email through the panta remailer or the panta mail2news gateway and it's not a problem at all. I wouldn't mind in the least generating say, a 34 bit hashcash token and using that to get introduced. According to the token generator I'm using" http://www.panta-rhei.eu.org/downloads/Hashcash/ a 34 bit token would take me about 1.5 - 3.5 hours to generate. I would consider exchanging the visual captchas for hashcash a very worthwhile trade, even at over 7 hours each to mint 36 bit tokens. >band introductions are a good thing, though obviously not a complete >solution -- though I can certainly sympathize with your stubbornness >:) The out of band thing also applies to 'proper' darknet ref exchanges. The problem is that I know *one* person on the planet that runs freenet and it's an 0.5 node. Given the nature of darknet I wouldn't want to trade darknet refs with somebody I didn't know and have reason to trust anymore than I'd want to do it for FMS intros. - -- My public keys can be found on my freenet site: SSK at TEx6TiaPeszpV4AFw3ToutDb49EPAgM/mytwocents/63//m2ckey.html (*NOTE* you must be running freenet 0.5 for this link to be usefull) and on public keyservers. Key-Id: 0x92769D7E Fingerprint: 2F07D586C8D4EEA732711338CFEF46E592769D7E I can be reached either by the NiM form on the freesite or by Email: m2c AT nym.panta-rhei.eu.org Frost: MyTwoCents at Z+59LNK9NhMvxewYggENU4Ww50s On the 0.5 Freenet board -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: N/A iQA/AwUBSCUoop5/ZUtfDwnNEQKuuwCdHgg65rjvm8yiuWPn1SUrCVBxskQAnj/c x7PRGuKPo0yvKTkbs1bySYn/ =c7K1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jw_heckbert at verizon.net Sun May 11 15:00:22 2008 From: jw_heckbert at verizon.net (Julian Heckbert) Date: Sun, 11 May 2008 11:00:22 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] freenet wont connect to any other nodes Message-ID: <48270A06.4070301@verizon.net> I'm running freenet on Ubuntu 8.04 with Sun Java 1.6 and freenet doesn't connect to other nodes, I manually forwarded the ports and I'm using opennet but I still have zero connections From support at freenetproject.org Wed May 14 20:19:34 2008 From: support at freenetproject.org ([Anon] Anon User #231564978564123164564564123) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 22:19:34 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [freenet-support] Premix Routing Message-ID: <20080514201934.280A21A7817@isole> -----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- Message-type: plaintext I understand that premix routing is not scheduled to be implemented very soon but could you give any kind of rough estimate (as in a guess at a ball park calendar date) when it'll be in? -----END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- From jimcook at panix.com Wed May 14 23:35:33 2008 From: jimcook at panix.com (Jim Cook) Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:35:33 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] freenet wont connect to any other nodes In-Reply-To: <48270A06.4070301@verizon.net> References: <48270A06.4070301@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20080514233537.86B5EEB7B@mailbackend.panix.com> Can you access websites via Firefox in Ubuntu? Use the default profile, BTW, not the Freenet profile. If not, can you ping 4.2.2.2 (using System / Administratio / Network Tools)? Are you running Ubuntu in a VM? At 11:00 AM 5/11/2008, you wrote: >I'm running freenet on Ubuntu 8.04 with Sun Java 1.6 and freenet doesn't >connect to other nodes, I manually forwarded the ports and I'm using >opennet but I still have zero connections >_______________________________________________ >Support mailing list >Support at freenetproject.org >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe = Jim Cook From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Wed May 14 23:38:49 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 00:38:49 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] Premix Routing In-Reply-To: <20080514201934.280A21A7817@isole> References: <20080514201934.280A21A7817@isole> Message-ID: <200805150038.54938.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> On Wednesday 14 May 2008 21:19, [Anon] Anon User #231564978564123164564564123 > wrote: > -----BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE----- > Message-type: plaintext > > I understand that premix routing is not scheduled to be implemented very soon but could you give any kind of rough estimate (as in a guess at a ball park calendar date) when it'll be in? Next year, if we're lucky. Note that opennet premix routing and darknet premix routing are rather different, darknet probably will come first, although it's the harder problem. Also there are lots of unsolved problems, and Oskar is opposed to it, so we will see what happens. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Click on the config page, click on advanced options, click on fproxy, there is an option called enable advanced mode, enable that, go to the bottom and click apply. Then go back to the alerts page and show me the full text of the announcing alert. Thanks. Are there any other alerts e.g. about port forwarding, UDP connectivity, etc? What kind of internet connection do you have? It might be an MTU problem (the packets used to bootstrap opennet are rather large). If so, we could try a direct darknet connection; if that works, hopefully opennet will bootstrap itself from that. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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SP2, but can't get the windows service > started. > I always get the error 'the system can't find > the defined path' or something like that... > Any idea what could be wrong? > Thanks! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Support mailing list > Support at ... > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at ...?subject=unsubscribe I got exactly the same problem. The service only starts, if freenet is installes in c:\programs. I tried to install it in a different drive/partition and i get the same error. I couldn't see that any path was wrong. The reason for this would be interesting. From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Mon May 19 21:41:44 2008 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:41:44 +0100 Subject: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 build 1150 Message-ID: <200805192241.44807.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Freenet 0.7 build 1150 changelog (sorry for the delay!): - Chinese translations for a lot of the UI. - Add The Freenet Applications Freesite to the default bookmarks. - Some CPU usage optimisations. - Fix a seednodes bug ("seeding for" count was bogus). - Fix an infinite loop in shrinking datastores. - More unit tests. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20080519/7443beeb/attachment.htm From vdenisov at redline.ru Tue May 20 12:25:01 2008 From: vdenisov at redline.ru (Victor Denisov) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 16:25:01 +0400 Subject: [freenet-support] installation into a decrypted container In-Reply-To: <20080519185650.C0FA776A@resin18.mta.everyone.net> References: <20080519185650.C0FA776A@resin18.mta.everyone.net> Message-ID: <4832C31D.7090101@redline.ru> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I guess that this happens because DriveCrypt hadn't finished mounting its volumes before the OS decided to start Freenet service. When I was running Freenet on an encrypted volume (using TrueCrypt) I had to set its start mode to manual, so that it won't be started before I had the chance to enter the volume password. Regards, Victor Denisov. Hierophant wrote: | Do any of you know whether this has worked? | | I'm running Freenet 0.7 in Ubuntu 8.04 in VMware Server 1.0 in a | TrueCrypt volume in Windows Server 2003, and it all worked perfectly | "out of the box". | | At 12:45 PM 5/17/2008, James wrote: | |> Stephan van den Berg writes: |> |> > |> > |> > I tried to install 0.7 into a DriveCrypt |> > container unter Windows XP Pro. SP2, but can't get the windows service |> > started. |> > I always get the error 'the system can't find |> > the defined path' or something like that... |> > Any idea what could be wrong? |> > Thanks! |> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIMsMd1O5++4rTuI0RAlINAJ0YeBdCP2guWhnDDnySJLeaawXySwCeKr6N 2qIBHy6Lp9HND6eiHgrZuAM= =3CQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From burgechris at gmail.com Tue May 20 13:55:41 2008 From: burgechris at gmail.com (Chris Burge) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 09:55:41 -0400 Subject: [freenet-support] Question About Anonymity Message-ID: <22cafe8b0805200655w2df71c42u57d31e41aa541a8b@mail.gmail.com> I hope this is the right forum to do this on but I'm trying to see what freenet offers in the way of privacy/anonymity. I've been exploring Tor for sometime which seems to have an incredible system of security via the circuit. The only 2 vulnerabilities that I see being: bad exit nodes that try to scam off insecure packets; a group owning several nodes in a circuit that can figure out who is requesting what. That said, I'm trying to see what freenet is and is not in comparison. As far as I can see, it provides anonymity in retrieving content because of the use of the storage space on the computer. Posting freesites would also seem somewhat anonymous but a little bird in my ear brings back memories of forces such as the RIAA being able to tell which computer originated a mp3 and thus I wonder if the same would be for freesites. In uploading and downloading a freesite, there appears to be a key encryptor and a key reader (similar to PGP). What kind of methodology do we use to get these keys (i.e. SHA1, MD5, PGP etc)? Mainly, I want to be aware of these methodologies as things such as MD5 are later exposed to have a weaknesses that appears through the progress of time. Lastly, some more general questions that I have about freesites and the overall setup of freenet. I read that a freesite can't have javascript. Is the javascript stripped out upon upload or how is this done? I currently have 0 trusted people so I'm therefore testing freenet more as an open-net (?). How is this insecure? This may go back to one of my previous questions on anonymity. In a darknet, do the nodes actually know who is posting the content (i.e. obviously they were added but I'm talking about the computer) or is that somehow encrypted (i.e. they are only able to read things encrypted by a particular key. So if I have 5 keys for 5 different freesites, people can only read the freesites that they have a key for)? Sorry if these are stupid questions covered somewhere but I'm just trying to get specific questions answered. I'm sure I'll have more. LOL Thanks, Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are no 'exit nodes' like in Tor or I2P, Freenet is self-containing network. The latter concern is known but there are people more knowledgeable, who should explain what is done with that. > That said, I'm trying to see what freenet is and is not in comparison. > As far as I can see, it provides anonymity in retrieving content because > of the use of the storage space on the computer. Posting freesites > would also seem somewhat anonymous but a little bird in my ear brings > back memories of forces such as the RIAA being able to tell which > computer originated a mp3 and thus I wonder if the same would be for > freesites. Freenet is not only anonymous, it's also censorship resistant. This means that if you were to publish a freesite, it could not be taken down (even by yourself). Also Freesites are somewhat better than eepsites or .onion sites, since correlation attacks are much harder. You should inspect html that you insert before inserting it, as some website creation software helps you out by adding useful things like comments of the name of the creator, etc. > In uploading and downloading a freesite, there appears to be a key > encryptor and a key reader (similar to PGP). What kind of methodology > do we use to get these keys (i.e. SHA1, MD5, PGP etc)? Mainly, I want > to be aware of these methodologies as things such as MD5 are later > exposed to have a weaknesses that appears through the progress of time. > > Lastly, some more general questions that I have about freesites and the > overall setup of freenet. > > I read that a freesite can't have javascript. Is the javascript > stripped out upon upload or how is this done? It is stripped out by freenet before presenting the page in the browser. If for some reason you need to see the html as it appears before that you can append ?type=text/plain at the end of the url, that works because FProxy does nothing to the plain text document. > I currently have 0 trusted people so I'm therefore testing freenet more > as an open-net (?). How is this insecure? This may go back to one of > my previous questions on anonymity. This makes it easier for a powerful enough attacker to connect to you. This also exposes you to the world as somebody who uses Freenet (even if they will have much harder time figuring out why). > In a darknet, do the nodes actually know who is posting the content > (i.e. obviously they were added but I'm talking about the computer) or > is that somehow encrypted (i.e. they are only able to read things > encrypted by a particular key. So if I have 5 keys for 5 different > freesites, people can only read the freesites that they have a key for)? Each key has 2 parts, separated by comma, routing part is what your node uses to request the content from its neighbours, and decryption part for actual