[freenet-dev] The perils of releasing unusable software, or why opennet sucks

[Julien Cornuwel]

What about the node doing all the tests to know if it's eligible to be a 
seednode and then, if it is, ask the user ?


Colin Davis a écrit :
> I admit that I'm woefully ignorant when it comes to proper design, and 
> I'm not among the smartest people in the room.
> That said, these don't seem like difficult problems- Certainly it's 
> because I'm missing the complexity.
> 
> I think it the installer should present the option, because that's when 
> users are most likely to hit Yes.
> They don't want to futz with things.. If the question comes up, and 
> there is no default answer (As I showed before), They'll think about it, 
> then choose.
> 
> I'm not entirely convinced that emu having a list of 10-20% of the 
> user's IPs is a horrible thing.
> Keep in mind- We do not have to give this entire list out to each 
> requester, nor do we have to accept data into the list without testing it.
> It's only added to the list if the user explicitly chooses to do so, and 
> even then, we're not sharing it.
> 
> Imagine if you will that there is a PHP script on freenet-project.org.. 
> The  script takes in a noderef, and saves it to a file on the machine. [1]
> A helper application then attempts to connect to the Noderef.. It 
> records if it is successful or failure and the time/date.
> The helper app loops through all the submitted noderefs, and continues 
> to store their success/failure and the time/date.
> 
> When we find that we've successfully connected to the node over a long 
> enough time span, it then gets added to VerifiedNodes.txt
> 
> When you start Freenet for the first time, the installer can ask "Would 
> you like to download the freshest set of seed nodes? Having the freshest 
> set of seed nodes allows freenet to get started much faster. Without it, 
> it may take up to a day to become integrated into the network"
> 
> When they make a request to freenet-project.org/getSeeds.php, we return 
> 20 random seeds from the VerifiedNodes file.
> 
> The helper app continues to test nodes from the VerifiedNodes.txt.. If 
> it hits a certain number of failures to connect, it removes the line.
> 
> 
> Assuming there were a way to pass Freenet a noderef from the command 
> line, and get back a success or failure when trying to connect, this is 
> something that I could code up in a bash script in about an hour, and 
> I'm not a very good programmer. I'd be happy to help if you'd like.
> 
> I'm sure I'm missing the complexity somewhere.
> 
> -Colin
> 
> 
> 
> [1] Or SCP's it to another machine to do the processing. That doesn't 
> matter for this conversation.
> 
> 
>> it. We also (for obvious reasons) don't want the seednodes.fref to
>> become something like the yellow pages for opennet (where not everyone
>> but almost everyone has an entry and no checks are being made).
>> The reasons are:
>> - - freenet is anonymity software, we don't want to publish an almost
>> complete list of our users
>> - - if there are many nodes installed and uninstalled, the list becomes
>> crappy, because many entries lead nowhere, it will take even longer for
>> new users to connect
>> - - the seednodes.fref should stay under a few MB
>> - - we don't want it spammed or even worse flooded with entries from
>> attackers
>>
>> regards
>> Neo at NHNG
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