[freenet-dev] Getting stuck down rabbit holes

[Florent Daignière]

* Colin Davis <Colin at sq7.org> [2007-06-08 08:25:37]:

[snip.]

> I look at it, and know that opennet is necessary for the darknet to 
> prosper.. Once Opennet is in place, people have a larger incentive to 
> run Freenet. This means that they add permanent nodes, which is good.

Opennet will add churn to the equation and will make most of the network
harvestable, that's for sure; creating and linking more permanent nodes
is a hope more than anything else.

> 
> This build the larger base of Freenet users, which we need to make a 
> darknet work. Two opennet users can talk to one another offline, and 
> agree to exchange a Darknet Link. This grows the number of links that 
> aren't posted about anywhere.

That won't *ever* happen. Why ? because the whole point of freenet is
preventing anyone to link a "virtual over freeenet" identity to a
physical beeing... And for a darknet link to be established you have to
exchange informations about your node which can be linked to your real
identity => you won't ever use freenet to establish new darknet links
unless you don't worship your anonymity

> 
> Later on, as new users join, they're friends already ARE using freenet.
> This means that they can exchange darknet links with people they know, 
> without ever having to run opennet.
> 

If we don't tell/teach users about the risks of connecting to strangers,
they won't connect to their friends : they won't have any incentive to
do so (opennet would be the default, easiest way of getting bootstraped).

> 
> Opennet is the key to getting a the installed base which allows darknets 
> to work.
> 

I won't comment once again on that one.

NextGen$
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