From allen.riddell at gmail.com Tue May 29 19:01:50 2007 From: allen.riddell at gmail.com (Allen Beye Riddell) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 19:01:50 +0000 Subject: [Darknet-tools] [freenet-dev] darknet building tool for Facebook users In-Reply-To: <200705291906.31509.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> References: <200705251858.03928.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <7871fcf50705282000i411cd12ayd092a1c55c32fdbb@mail.gmail.com> <465BA1C2.4080003@jlab.org> <200705291906.31509.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1180465310.8630.23.camel@zurich> On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 19:06 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > Freenet is not undetectable but it should be hard to detect. If the attacker > actually owns the hardware you run it on, well, that's different. > > But generally I think this is a good thing. It lets those you have added as > friends see that you are running freenet, correct? Right. And it's very discreet, focused on exchanging references with people who are _really_ your friends. It only lets your friends know that you are running freenet if they have marked themselves as using freenet. Someone might want to consider starting a public group of Freenet users on Facebook (and other social networks). Then you'd be exchanging references with people you didn't know but at least they're authenticated by Facebook/et al. -- which has an interest in being trusted by users. I'd like to design some generalized darknet building tool. With many folks having extensive lists of contacts and email addresses (past and present), it'd be nice to be able to enter your current and past email addresses with a trusted source (ahh, another issue) that would act as a middle man to facilitate (while preserving some privacy) hooking up and exchanging references (in RL hopefully) with anyone who you have at one point e-mailed with you and are running freenet (or other F2F networks). Anyway, if folks want to discuss this I'd be happy to take it over to darknet-tools. I'll cross-post there now. Cheers, Allen From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Tue May 29 19:30:58 2007 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:30:58 +0100 Subject: [Darknet-tools] [freenet-dev] darknet building tool for Facebook users In-Reply-To: <1180465310.8630.23.camel@zurich> References: <200705251858.03928.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <200705291906.31509.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <1180465310.8630.23.camel@zurich> Message-ID: <200705292031.03733.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> The problem with email addresses is it's impossible to automate since 95% of the population use webmail. But yes, we need some tools for making it easier to get connected. On Tuesday 29 May 2007 20:01, Allen Beye Riddell wrote: > On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 19:06 +0100, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > Freenet is not undetectable but it should be hard to detect. If the > > attacker actually owns the hardware you run it on, well, that's > > different. > > > > But generally I think this is a good thing. It lets those you have added > > as friends see that you are running freenet, correct? > > Right. And it's very discreet, focused on exchanging references with > people who are _really_ your friends. It only lets your friends know > that you are running freenet if they have marked themselves as using > freenet. > > Someone might want to consider starting a public group of Freenet users > on Facebook (and other social networks). Then you'd be exchanging > references with people you didn't know but at least they're > authenticated by Facebook/et al. -- which has an interest in being > trusted by users. > > I'd like to design some generalized darknet building tool. With many > folks having extensive lists of contacts and email addresses (past and > present), it'd be nice to be able to enter your current and past email > addresses with a trusted source (ahh, another issue) that would act as a > middle man to facilitate (while preserving some privacy) hooking up and > exchanging references (in RL hopefully) with anyone who you have at one > point e-mailed with you and are running freenet (or other F2F networks). > > Anyway, if folks want to discuss this I'd be happy to take it over to > darknet-tools. I'll cross-post there now. > > Cheers, > > Allen > > _______________________________________________ > Darknet-tools mailing list > Darknet-tools at freenetproject.org > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/darknet-tools -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/darknet-tools/attachments/20070529/55599450/attachment.pgp From geoffwhittington at yahoo.com Tue May 29 20:29:01 2007 From: geoffwhittington at yahoo.com (Geoff Whittington) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 13:29:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Darknet-tools] IM integration In-Reply-To: <200705292031.03733.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <785521.59588.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Can someone point me to the classes/documents on how one would integrate Freenet with an instant messaging system? I can read Java source if I must. I am curious on what it would take. I guess the easiest thing would be to integrate Freenet as a communications channel for a Jabber server? I'm grasping here, of course... Thanks, - Geoff ____________________________________________________________________________________Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 From ian at freenetproject.org Tue May 29 20:45:34 2007 From: ian at freenetproject.org (Ian Clarke) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 15:45:34 -0500 Subject: [Darknet-tools] IM integration In-Reply-To: <785521.59588.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <200705292031.03733.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <785521.59588.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <823242bd0705291345p49320d82jeacbdcbb3d8362c5@mail.gmail.com> Freenet is probably not currently well suited to the kind of real-time communication required by an IM system. We do have proposals for a publish-subscribe system that could accommodate this very effectively, but these are bluesky at the moment. Here is an email discussing our plans as of two years ago, although note that since then there have been some fundamental changes to Freenet's architecture (ie. the whole darknet thing): http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/tech/2005-September/004624.html See here for the documentation for developing 3rd party apps on Freenet: http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetFCPSpec2Point0 Ian. On 5/29/07, Geoff Whittington wrote: > Can someone point me to the classes/documents on how > one would integrate Freenet with an instant messaging > system? > > I can read Java source if I must. I am curious on what > it would take. I guess the easiest thing would be to > integrate Freenet as a communications channel for a > Jabber server? > > I'm grasping here, of course... > > Thanks, > - Geoff > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > _______________________________________________ > Darknet-tools mailing list > Darknet-tools at freenetproject.org > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/darknet-tools > > -- Founder and CEO, Thoof Inc Email: ian at thoof.com Office: +1 512 524 8934 x 100 Cell: +1 512 422 3588 AIM: ian.clarke at mac.com Skype: sanity From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Tue May 29 21:29:48 2007 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (Matthew Toseland) Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:29:48 +0100 Subject: [Darknet-tools] IM integration In-Reply-To: <823242bd0705291345p49320d82jeacbdcbb3d8362c5@mail.gmail.com> References: <200705292031.03733.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> <785521.59588.qm@web51808.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <823242bd0705291345p49320d82jeacbdcbb3d8362c5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200705292229.54716.toad@amphibian.dyndns.org> What we more urgently need is not a means to implement a Jabber server over Freenet, but a means to offer darknet invitations efficiently to all your IM contacts (although I wonder if this would be regarded as spam), analogous to the original email's proposal for Facebook. On Tuesday 29 May 2007 21:45, Ian Clarke wrote: > Freenet is probably not currently well suited to the kind of real-time > communication required by an IM system. We do have proposals for a > publish-subscribe system that could accommodate this very effectively, > but these are bluesky at the moment. > > Here is an email discussing our plans as of two years ago, although > note that since then there have been some fundamental changes to > Freenet's architecture (ie. the whole darknet thing): > http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/tech/2005-September/004624.html > > See here for the documentation for developing 3rd party apps on Freenet: > http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetFCPSpec2Point0 > > Ian. > > On 5/29/07, Geoff Whittington wrote: > > Can someone point me to the classes/documents on how > > one would integrate Freenet with an instant messaging > > system? > > > > I can read Java source if I must. I am curious on what > > it would take. I guess the easiest thing would be to > > integrate Freenet as a communications channel for a > > Jabber server? > > > > I'm grasping here, of course... > > > > Thanks, > > - Geoff > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________________ > >___________Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join > > Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. > > http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Darknet-tools mailing list > > Darknet-tools at freenetproject.org > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/darknet-tools -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/darknet-tools/attachments/20070529/a9057240/attachment.pgp