From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Wed Dec 6 23:28:04 2006 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (toad) Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:28:04 +0000 Subject: [freenet-chat] Testing Message-ID: <20061206232804.GA4341@amphibian.dyndns.org> Testing. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/chat/attachments/20061206/5faf8b2b/attachment.pgp From toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Tue Dec 12 17:37:14 2006 From: toad at amphibian.dyndns.org (toad) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2006 17:37:14 +0000 Subject: [freenet-chat] Using algorithms from papers Message-ID: <20061212173714.GA3947@amphibian.dyndns.org> If we find an algorithm in a paper, can we use it in Freenet? The reason why not would be that if it's been published there is an excellent chance of it being patented - either by the researcher, the university, or even by somebody reading the paper (though in the last case it would be invalid). We should probably assume that IPRED2 doesn't pass for the purposes of this debate, as that would make it more or less impossible to do any non-hobbyist non-megacorp programming. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From timmyvanderkroft at hotmail.com Thu Dec 21 09:10:50 2006 From: timmyvanderkroft at hotmail.com (timmy the_urchin) Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:10:50 +0100 Subject: [freenet-chat] looking for peers Message-ID: Looking for people somebody who can tell me how I can get acces to freenet. I seem to need ?pees? which suprises me, since I had acces to Freenet once before without needing anybody?s help. Anyway, since my removal to another country, this does not work anymore. So: HEEEEELP!!!! _________________________________________________________________ Probeer Live.com: jouw leven online met nieuws, sport, weer en nog veel meer. http://www.live.com/getstarted -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/chat/attachments/20061221/5a2a820d/attachment.htm From drriley at cogeco.ca Sat Dec 23 21:45:48 2006 From: drriley at cogeco.ca (drriley at cogeco.ca) Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2006 16:45:48 -0500 Subject: [freenet-chat] Finding refs Message-ID: <458DA38C.3090300@cogeco.ca> Having to find and install an IRC package just to connect once to the freenet channel for refs is a pain in the ass - so hopefully this list will prove useful for that purpose (I have also read where others have found little luck getting refs using the IRC channel, even when there are many people in the channel). To be honest, this ref system is a rather tricky and cumbersome system, and arguably is rather irrelevant. I mean, is it any more secure/safe/better/etc for me to have to put out a mass call for people I don't know to ref me, or to simply have the system establish connections at random? I don't see the difference. In any event -- does anyone want to trade refs? If so, please email me directly at drriley at cogeco.ca P.S. Any comments on the benefits (if any) of using the freenet system over using Tor/Privoxy? From sitharus at sitharus.com Sat Dec 23 22:05:45 2006 From: sitharus at sitharus.com (Phillip Hutchings) Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 11:05:45 +1300 Subject: [freenet-chat] Finding refs In-Reply-To: <458DA38C.3090300@cogeco.ca> References: <458DA38C.3090300@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: On 12/24/06, drriley at cogeco.ca wrote: > Having to find and install an IRC package just to connect once to the > freenet channel for refs is a pain in the ass - so hopefully this list > will prove useful for that purpose (I have also read where others have > found little luck getting refs using the IRC channel, even when there > are many people in the channel). It's not ideal, but it's also not the intention of the darknet. The idea is that you'll connect with friends who use it, and they'll connect with friends etc, following the small world network principle. However, since people aren't doing this there's a pseudo-opennet in place in the form of #freenet-refs > To be honest, this ref system is a rather tricky and cumbersome system, > and arguably is rather irrelevant. I mean, is it any more > secure/safe/better/etc for me to have to put out a mass call for people > I don't know to ref me, or to simply have the system establish > connections at random? I don't see the difference. Possibly. It might be more likely that you'll notice one uber-node trying to get all you connections and run a correlation attack when you add peers manually. Probably not though. > In any event -- does anyone want to trade refs? If so, please email me > directly at drriley at cogeco.ca > > P.S. Any comments on the benefits (if any) of using the freenet system > over using Tor/Privoxy? As in accessing fproxy? Should be easy. Routing freenet node traffic over Tor would be slow and rather wasteful IMO as the systems implement similar things, though Tor does have onion routing working. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ From vinyl1 at earthlink.net Thu Dec 28 00:09:48 2006 From: vinyl1 at earthlink.net (vinyl1) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 19:09:48 -0500 Subject: [freenet-chat] Finding refs References: <458DA38C.3090300@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <009b01c72a14$7dbd9f00$6401a8c0@oldfaithful> While the darknet is what they're testing right now, as I understand it, the intent is to have an opennet version eventually. People in countries where Freenet is legal will be able to connect via opennet, while others can use the darknet. Those using darknet will not be detectable by the authorities. But there are many stages of testing to be gone through before this can happen. I'm sure Matthew and/or Ian will chime in if I'm wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: [freenet-chat] Finding refs > Having to find and install an IRC package just to connect once to the > freenet channel for refs is a pain in the ass - so hopefully this list > will prove useful for that purpose (I have also read where others have > found little luck getting refs using the IRC channel, even when there > are many people in the channel). > > To be honest, this ref system is a rather tricky and cumbersome system, > and arguably is rather irrelevant. I mean, is it any more > secure/safe/better/etc for me to have to put out a mass call for people > I don't know to ref me, or to simply have the system establish > connections at random? I don't see the difference. > > In any event -- does anyone want to trade refs? If so, please email me > directly at drriley at cogeco.ca > > P.S. Any comments on the benefits (if any) of using the freenet system > over using Tor/Privoxy? > _______________________________________________ > chat mailing list > chat at freenetproject.org > Archived: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.general > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/chat > Or mailto:chat-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe