[freenet-chat] Swedish Pirate Party Launches a Commerical Darknet

[Magnus Eriksson]

>>   No, they do not have to do that.  The service is entirely prepaid and
>> non-metered.  The only thing they *have* to keep track of is for what
>> period of time username <foo> is allowed to use their services.  They
>> state themselves that all credit card information, etc, is discarded as
>> long as it's no longer needed -- i.e. immediately.

> They state themselves.. yeah, I'll put confidence in un-corroborated statements
> of strangers speaking in their own profit margin... NOT.

[...]

> Being a suspicious, somewhat paranoid person myself I choose to believe 
> that they would lie without hesitation simply because if I stood to make 
> money, I would lie just as fast.

   Keeping their customers' privacy IS THEIR PRODUCT.  If someone can show 
that have not kept that promise, they're dead.

   If you put yourself in their position, you have just invested lots of 
cash in setting up a service like this.  You don't stand to make any money 
back if your users don't trust you.

   That makes me think I can have a reasonable amount of trust in their 
claims.



>>   The only information that is supposedly stored is usernames and the

> Any trust in this business is invalidated by the use of the word 
> "Supposedly".  The fact that even you use that word underlines the fact 
> that they cannot be trusted.

   Well, you can hardly expect me to speak in absolutes about a recently 
launched service I have never used, can you?  All I can do is repeat what 
they say.


   You don't seem to have any problems doing it, though.  Tell me, what 
evidence do you have to back the "fact" that they are not to be trusted?


[...]


> Perhaps.  And very likely it would serve for the average kid d/ling 
> porn, music or movies.

   A.k.a. "their customers".

   They do say that if you are suspected of a more serious crime, the 
police can subpoena their records/logs, you know.  It's no secret.



> I object to companies making claims like this because they lead people 
> to believe that they are more than they are.  These people may be 100% 
> honest, but they CANNOT stand up to a government or large corporation 
> and most of their customers think they can.

   AFAIK, they don't make any extreme claims.  What they basically say is 
that if you're sharing music and movies, you can use their service to hide 
your real IP from the world, and hide the contents of your traffic from 
your ISP.  That's about it.

  (Arguably, that's what they *don't* say.  Openly saying "we're just the 
thing if you want to violate copyright" probably wouldn't be that smart..)



   You can have the last word.  There's not really anything to add until 
they have been operating for a while, and I don't feel like arguing with 
random anonymous people just for the sake of it.


MAgnus