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[4:31] <Revo33> Anyone here help me with running frost on server 2003 x64?
[4:32] <Revo33> I get the error "Windows cannot find 'javaw". Make sure you have typed the name correctly bla bla blah.
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[4:51] <Luke771> Revo33: I'm my no means a windows expert or a Frost exppert but let's see what we can do here
[4:53] <Luke771> first of all: do you want to run frost as you primary freenet messaging app? Are you aware that all the english channels except for a bunch of porn channels are being heavily dos'ed? frost is an option only if you are able to use non-english boards (the german and french communities are the most active ones)
[4:53] <Luke771> for english, there's FMS, that's not official yet, but it works
[4:54] <Luke771> now lets get beck to frost: you have your node running of that 2003 x64 box that complains about no javaw?
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[8:14] <ratchii> why is -refs no more
[8:14] <ratchii> security issues ?
[8:30] <sbc> ratchii: I don't think there is a need to exchange refs by irc anymore, with the open-net part of freenet.
[8:30] <ratchii> k i see
[8:31] <Luke771> ratchii: because we have opennet?
[8:31] <Luke771> ah, ok, already got the same answer. sorry
[8:32] <ratchii> :)
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[14:54] <toad_> can anyone give me a small, retrievable key which probably isn't in my (big, but new) datastore ?
[15:11] <kork> I can insert something for you, just a sec
[15:13] <kork> CHK@42n1MeLQENrgwuj1GPWJBL43zas5kNysTvBzQJl6nsA,4KkwmZfCQDruedsnJlnLmDK~B5YUfyFfjmSwNk6LQoI,AAIC--8/kjlfjklsdjfklsdf.txt
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[15:45] <john_> hello
[15:48] <john_> good morning and greetings
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[17:38] <batosai> hi
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[18:17] <Revo33> Luke771 hey
[18:17] <Revo33> you responded last night but i had already passed out
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[19:00] <Revo33> anyone here run freenet on a 64bit windows OS?
[19:00] <fetter_oml> what?
[19:00] <Artefact2> yes, I do.
[19:01] <fetter_oml> there is a 64-bit windows?
[19:01] <fetter_oml> lolz
[19:01] <Revo33> have you had issues with freenet being able to find java
[19:01] <Revo33> or frost for that matter?
[19:01] <TheSeeker> I'm running 64 bit windows
[19:01] <Artefact2> Revo33: no, never
[19:01] <Artefact2> it works flawlessly out of the box
[19:02] <Revo33> frost is saying that it cant find javaw.exe
[19:02] <TheSeeker> I explicitly run freenet from a batch file, point it directly at the java.exe :P
[19:02] <TheSeeker> Frost is dead anyway :P
[19:02] <Artefact2> Revo33: use fms, it's better
[19:02] <TheSeeker> I get odd system crashes when I run Frost :/
[19:02] <Revo33> Excuse my ignorance but i never understood the difference between frost, thaw and FMS
[19:02] <Revo33> whats the difference?
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[19:03] <Artefact2> TheSeeker: i run freenet as a system service, and it works fine
[19:03] <Artefact2> fms = usenet-like messaging system. better than frost, and spam resistant
[19:03] <TheSeeker> 'better' is rather subjective.
[19:03] <kork> usenet sucks huge c*ck
[19:04] <Artefact2> TheSeeker: i mean "better" because of its spam resistance
[19:04] <Revo33> hey, all i use is usernet and torrents :P
[19:04] <TheSeeker> Frost had desireable features, but was/is too easily attacked.
[19:04] <Artefact2> frost and FMS basically do the same thing anyway.
[19:04] <kork> Revo33: except for warez distribution of course... lol
[19:04] <Revo33> what i dont understand though is the data thats seen on frost cant be picked up on the browser interface or thaw
[19:04] <Revo33> its like each program is its own network
[19:04] <Revo33> and thats what im not understanding
[19:05] <TheSeeker> Thaw has a frost message plugin.
[19:06] <TheSeeker> the node had a 'post frost message' function at one point. but Frost is mostly just a user interface for displaying guessable keys.
[19:06] <TheSeeker> you CAN manually retrieve messages using fproxy, but it's a pain.
[19:06] <Revo33> what sort of appication does that for you? that has a nice idiot proof interface? :P
[19:07] <TheSeeker> Frost :P
[19:07] <Artefact2> that would be nice to have a frost-like user interface using fms
[19:07] <kork> indeed
[19:08] <TheSeeker> ... Newsreaders are generally shiny happy user intrefaces ... and faster than Frost at displaying messages.
[19:08] <Artefact2> but, there are users that preffer Frost, and it would help people migrating
[19:08] <TheSeeker> So write an interface.
[19:08] <Revo33> so what does one use FMS for?
[19:08] <Revo33> im reading on the download pace its not for sharing files
[19:08] <Artefact2> like "no setup, no boring configuration : run it and use it."
[19:08] <TheSeeker> Freenet Messaging System
[19:09] <TheSeeker> captcha solving is required. or your identity will never be announced.
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[19:14] <Artefact2> toad_: i changed my datasore size (from 250 gb to 920 gb) on a 1000gb HD. but fproxy gets stuck at "Intializing CHK datastore (14116875 keys)". Am i doing it wrong ?
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[19:14] <toad_> Artefact2: no
[19:14] <toad_> Artefact2: give it a little time, it's preallocating the space
[19:14] <Artefact2> the drive is truecrypt-encrypted
[19:15] <Artefact2> i hope it won't create 900 gb, then delete the old 250 gb (i wouldn't have enough space)
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[19:19] <Artefact2> with a little chance, it won't take days to increase its size
[19:21] <Revo33> how do you tell freenet where to put its datastor?
[19:24] <Artefact2> advanced settings
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[20:23] <nextgens> read the commit message before updating to HEAD
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[20:23] <nextgens> can't say you haven't been warned :)
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[20:40] <Tommy[D]> What happens to stable nodes? Do they get a "not in archive"?
[20:50] <nextgens> probably
[20:50] <nextgens> that's one of the thing to try out
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[21:20] <toad_> rehi folks
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[21:24] <nextgens> toad_> can you have a look to what I've commited?
[21:25] <toad_> you are having trouble debugging it? or you're not sure about the architecture?
[21:25] <nextgens> nah it's working
[21:25] <nextgens> or supposed to be
[21:25] <toad_> does it work for you?
[21:25] <nextgens> but we don't want a build corrupting metadatas to stick around
[21:25] <nextgens> hence I'm asking for a fast-track review ticket :p
[21:26] <nextgens> yes it does work for me
[21:26] <toad_> so that's 22907 and 22917 ?
[21:26] <nextgens> yeah
[21:27] <toad_> nextgens: imho we shouldn't get rid of zip support, it's useful for transparent container support
[21:27] <nextgens> fair enough
[21:27] <nextgens> I didn't test the transparent container support
[21:28] <toad_> probably only works with zips
[21:28] <toad_> unless you've changed it
[21:28] <nextgens> I didn't on purpose but might have broken it :)
[21:29] <toad_> hmmm
[21:30] <toad_> architecturally i had always assumed that we would just use TAR as container type and then set compression type separately
[21:30] <toad_> can this be implemented easily?
[21:31] <nextgens> hrrrmm
[21:31] <nextgens> probably
[21:31] <toad_> imho it would be better
[21:31] <toad_> of course it implies at least decompression support for files encoded as bz2
[21:32] <nextgens> we do have that already, don't we?
[21:32] <nextgens> iirc that's what I've implemented first
[21:32] <toad_> + bz2is = new CBZip2InputStream(data.getInputStream());
[21:32] <toad_> + tarIS = new TarInputStream(bz2is);
[21:32] <toad_> in 22907
[21:32] <nextgens> or maybe we aren't talking about the same thing
[21:33] <nextgens> okay
[21:33] <nextgens> so we pass the compression algorithm and use the appropriate one there?
[21:33] <toad_> we put the compression algo into the metadata in the compression algo variable
[21:33] <toad_> just like we do for files
[21:33] <nextgens> ok
[21:34] <toad_> so for example we can transparently handle .zip.gz right now
[21:34] <toad_> i dunno if we actually create such things, probably
[21:34] <nextgens> sure but what's the point ? :)
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[21:35] <toad_> in 22907, the bit about generateMetadata, and the callback.notInArchive, could be factored out into the parent, no?
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[21:35] <toad_> have the method return a boolean gotElement ?
[21:35] <toad_> hmmm and gotMetadata - a bitfield is trivial
[21:36] <toad_> the two impls don't implement a common interface?
[21:38] <toad_> public Metadata(byte docType, FreenetURI uri, ClientMetadata cm) - inits archiveType to the default, this is bad, it should be passed in; 22917 probably fixes this
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[21:42] <nextgens> toad_> I'm reluctant to change too much code now because your branch will conflict with it
[21:42] <nextgens> so I did only the bare-minimum refactoring
[21:43] <nextgens> but yeah; there is a lot to do :)
[21:43] <toad_> nextgens: do you agree w.r.t. separating tar from bz2?
[21:44] <nextgens> yes
[21:44] <nextgens> I'll do it
[21:44] <toad_> ok
[21:44] <nextgens> unless you want to of course :)
[21:44] <toad_> no
[21:44] <toad_> :)
[21:46] <toad_> 22917: in SingleFileInserter, pass -1 rather than the metadata type
[21:47] <toad_> err rather than the default
[21:47] <toad_> oh, you're inserting as archive_manifest ... ok
[21:47] <toad_> well in that case it should probably be passed in to the SFI
[21:47] <toad_> from SimpleManifestPutte
[21:47] <toad_> r
[21:48] <toad_> ok, apart from issues mentioned, code looks fine
[21:49] <nextgens> does that mean we need to try all the compression algos out tooo ?
[21:49] <toad_> hmmm?
[21:49] <toad_> not feasible in SMP without major refactoring iirc?
[21:50] <nextgens> I don't remember the specifics but it's doable in any case
[21:50] <nextgens> so the question is whether we want to or not :)
[21:50] <toad_> iirc it would require significant refactoring in SMP because we want the size *after compression* to be under 2MB
[21:50] <toad_> and we drop files until we get below the limit
[21:51] * nextgens didn't understand your comments about SFI
[21:51] <toad_> how exactly did you implement that in SMP?
[21:51] <nextgens> I wouldn't drop files
[21:52] <toad_> SingleFileInserter ? if it's putting a container, you should pass in the codec, rather than assuming it's the default
[21:52] <nextgens> I would wrap the current code in a loop and check which of them has the smallest output bucket
[21:52] <toad_> I don't see how that helps you :)
[21:53] <toad_> any container over 2MB will fail in fproxy
[21:53] <toad_> so it has to be below 2MB after compression
[21:54] <toad_> ok, you're doing data before compression < 2MB
[21:54] <toad_> i see
[21:54] <toad_> that will of course work ...
[21:54] <nextgens> :)
[21:54] <nextgens> K.I.S.S.
[21:55] <toad_> ah, that's what I did before! doh
[21:55] <toad_> ok, this is another reason for the Great Container Rewrite which will never happen :)
[22:01] <nextgens> toad_> in SFI, how do I know it's a container?
[22:01] <toad_> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=909
[22:01] <toad_> nextgens: there's a flag
[22:01] <toad_> + Metadata meta = new Metadata(insertAsArchiveManifest ? Metadata.ARCHIVE_MANIFEST : Metadata.SIMPLE_REDIRECT, ARCHIVE_TYPE.getDefault().metadataID, uri, block.clientMetadata);
[22:01] <toad_> there's something similar in SplitFileInserter
[22:02] <nextgens> well sure there is a insertAsArchiveManifest ... but we pass it
[22:03] <nextgens> how do I dig up the archive type from that?
[22:03] <nextgens> I mean if we create a new container obviously we will use the default, no?
[22:03] <toad_> well mightn't we override it by FCP one day?
[22:03] <toad_> you should pass the archive type
[22:04] <nextgens> line 294 we have the same
[22:04] <toad_> maybe instead of the boolean, using -1 to mean a normal file insert
[22:05] <nextgens> hmmm
[22:06] <nextgens> my inet connection is too crappy
[22:06] <nextgens> I'd better disconnect
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[22:06] <toad_> cya
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[23:36] <Revo33> my node wont connect to the network :(
[23:40] <Tommy[D]> What network level did you set?
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