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[5:08] <Luke771> r22887 redirected me to the wizard after update&restart. When I clicked 'skip the wizard' it went back to normal
[5:09] <Luke771> ...or so it looks, lemme double check out the config page
[5:11] <Luke771> it's OK. it only redirected me to the wizard page
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[11:14] <TheApophis> Hi all, anyone has seen bback lately?
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[12:17] <Luke771> what's the Windows equivalent of /home/user/.jSite?
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[12:18] <Luke771> C:\document and settings\<user>\application data\jSite ?
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[12:26] <Zero3> Luke771: Yea
[12:26] <Zero3> Or ...<user>\Local Settings\Application Data
[12:26] <Zero3> Not sure when to use one and when to use another
[12:26] <Zero3> Local Settings will be translated into OS locale as well
[12:26] <Luke771> ok
[12:27] <Luke771> I'll use the english version, it's not a link,only a set of instructions
[12:27] <Luke771> that's surely stupid, I mean WTF, changing the sames of system directories with the locale... ugh
[12:27] <Luke771> anyhow
[12:28] <Luke771> do Mac OSX have /home/.<app> for apps' data?
[12:29] <Luke771> or, to say it more clearly, what's the Mac equivalent of /home/.jSite?
[12:29] <Zero3> No idea. Never touched a MAC
[12:29] <Zero3> Most apps seem to use the appdata outside local settings on my system
[12:29] <Luke771> what's that?
[12:30] <Zero3> I mean: Most apps seem to store their stuff in <user>\application data\ (and not the other one i mentioned)
[12:31] <Luke771> there are lots of application data folders in windows
[12:32] <Luke771> maybe I should just run jSite on a windows system and look where the app data folder ends up
[12:32] <Zero3> Mmmm, and apps can't agree which ones to use. GIMP tries doing Linux-styled dot-hidden folder inside my <user> folder
[12:32] <Zero3> Would be a start ;)
[12:32] <Zero3> Or use WINE on Linux
[12:32] <Luke771> hm
[12:32] <Luke771> nah
[12:33] <Luke771> I should use wine to emulate a windows jre
[12:33] <Luke771> at that point I'd launch vmware and fire up a whole winXP
[12:33] <Luke771> point is, my windows VM doesnt have a node installed
[12:34] <Luke771> you have windows Zero3 ?
[12:38] <Zero3> Luke771: Yea
[12:38] <Zero3> That is, not with a node. Its on my Linux server
[12:38] <Luke771> can't you run jSite and see where the app data folder goes?
[12:40] <Luke771> sure but if the node has the windows box as enabled host you should be able to run anyway. Now the problem is that I don't know if you need to do something in order to create the app data folder, or it will be automatically created when you run jsite
[12:41] <Luke771> maybe you should inser a very small fressite, like a blank paper with only <html>blahblah</html>, call it index.htm and upload it; then the jsite app data folder will be there for sure
[12:41] <Zero3> Let me give it a quick try
[12:41] <Luke771> thanks
[12:42] <Zero3> Hmm
[12:42] <Zero3> INFO | jvm 1 | 2008/09/30 14:40:48 | WrapperManager: WARNING - The Wrapper jar file currently in use is version "3.3.1"
[12:42] <Zero3> INFO | jvm 1 | 2008/09/30 14:40:48 | WrapperManager: while the version of the Wrapper which launched this JVM is
[12:42] <Zero3> INFO | jvm 1 | 2008/09/30 14:40:48 | WrapperManager: "3.2.3".
[12:44] <Zero3> Where do i get jsite? Is it bundled with the node, or is there a freesite?
[12:44] <Luke771> you get it at the website
[12:45] <Luke771> downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha
[12:45] <Luke771> downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/jsite, probably
[12:45] <Zero3> Got it
[12:45] <Luke771> k
[12:47] <Zero3> jsite is as equally stupid as GIMP... C:\Documents and Settings\Zero3\.jSite
[12:47] <Zero3> 2x lockfiles there after i started jsite
[12:47] <Luke771> oki
[12:47] <Luke771> thanks
[12:47] <Zero3> Or rather, a config and a lockfile
[12:47] <Zero3> np
[12:48] <Luke771> is the folder invisible, with the default windows settings?
[12:48] <Luke771> probably not .jSite but are files like ...\user\applicatio daata\ etc hidden by default?
[12:49] <Luke771> bah, never mind
[12:49] <Luke771> I'll say only 'you may have to change windows explorer settings'
[12:51] <Zero3> Nop. Folder not hidden.
[12:52] <Zero3> Application Data is by default
[12:52] <Zero3> By default, hidden folders are not shown
[12:52] <Luke771> lol
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[12:53] <Zero3> dot-prefixed files are treated as normal folders under Windows
[12:53] <Luke771> "by default, hidden folders are not shown" sounds like "warning: wet road in case of rain"
[12:53] <Zero3> Haha :P
[12:53] <Luke771> Zero3: ok
[12:53] <Zero3> Well, I run with "Show hidden folders" all the time...
[12:53] <Luke771> but app data is hidden by default, OK
[12:53] <Zero3> Yep
[12:53] <Luke771> me 2
[12:54] <Luke771> i have a windows system for games, I always have hide nothing show everything
[12:55] <Zero3> I'm actually quite fond of my XP install. I've been tweaking it over the years and it still runs great. Better than my fresh Ubuntu install, unfortunately.
[12:57] <TheSeeker> nextgens: haven't gotten any of those blank NPEs since your peernode patch. yay.
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[14:35] <kork> wtf
[14:35] <kork> it's starting the damned migration again
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[15:02] <sdiz> kork: ugh? it shouldn't
[15:02] <sdiz> just upgraded to 1165?
[15:03] <TheSeeker> 1165 is a conversion rather than a migration yesno?
[15:04] <sdiz> ya, convert from *.header+*.data file to *.hd file
[15:04] <fetter_oml> moin moin
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[15:08] <kork> I'm about to delete the fucking store in order to get the node back up in reasonable time :@
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[19:34] <TheSeeker> I wonder if the scheduler is broken in the db4o branch? or if all the data has just fallen out of the network [or can no longer be routed to given the stopping of swapping] for the downloads I'm trying to get...
[19:42] <toad_> hmmm?
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[19:49] <TheSeeker> I've got some 53 downloads going, and am getting next to no blocks coming in. but how to tell if requests are going out? I do kindof miss the 0.5ism of being able to see what blocks are being requested, and many failures have occurred for each block.
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[19:52] <TheSeeker> I use Soft scheduling, and I put downloads that haven't gotten the top block yet at emergency, move them to very high until they get their manifest, then punt them to 'will never finish'. I then put one download at high, 2 at medium, 3 at low, and 4 at very low in the order I'd like to see them complete.
[19:58] <TheSeeker> I thought I understood soft sceduling to mean that a block from each level will get attempted twice as often as ablock from the level below it. is that not the case?
[19:58] <fetter_oml> moin moin
[19:59] <TheSeeker> the reason I think it might be broken is that the last item I moved down to 'will never finish' is about the only one recieving any blocks. that could be coincidence, but I doubt it.
[19:59] <fetter_oml> i wanted to ask if there are general known features(uh, bugs) or incompatibles for 64 bit platforms
[20:00] <TheSeeker> You won't be able to use native libs for some things, depending on OS.
[20:00] <fetter_oml> its a ubuntu
[20:01] <fetter_oml> well, i dont know the situation with sun-java
[20:01] <fetter_oml> (i prefer not to use it)
[20:01] <Tommy[D]> 64bit works, just encoding/decoding will be slower and will use more cpu
[20:01] <fetter_oml> hmh
[20:02] <fetter_oml> ok, i will try tomorrow again ...
[20:02] <Tommy[D]> and that is only because there is no native FEC lib for 64 bit
[20:02] <fetter_oml> do you have a 64-bit linux with freenet?
[20:02] <Ratchet> I'm running a node on a 64 bit OS
[20:03] <Ratchet> no problems so far
[20:03] <Tommy[D]> yes
[20:03] <fetter_oml> hmh
[20:04] <fetter_oml> well, im back tomorrow :) (have to sleep now x.x parents are a plague)
[20:04] <fetter_oml> bb
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[21:51] <toad_> TheSeeker: tail --follow=name --retry fast/logs-dark/freenet-latest.log | grep "CHK Request"
[21:52] <toad_> TheSeeker: of course it relies on log level MINOR, or at least detailed log thresholds ... freenet.node.RequestStarter:MINOR,freenet.client.async.ClientRequestScheduler:MINOR at least
[21:53] <toad_> ... and apparently you are right ... the scheduler is broken somehow ...
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[21:56] <Zero3> How would I link back to fproxy from a freesite?
[21:56] <Zero3> "/" is filtered out
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[22:01] <Zero3> ... and why is <meta name="title"... too?
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[23:10] <nextgens> Zero3> fill in bug tickets just like everyone else
[23:10] <nextgens> there is a reason why you can't link back to fproxy bypassing the warning
[23:11] <nextgens> you can only access a few things, including the static toadlet iirc
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[23:12] <Luke771> <Zero3> How would I link back to fproxy from a freesite? <== WHY!?!
[23:12] <Luke771> no, I don't want to know
[23:12] <Luke771> (and you don't want to do that) :P
[23:15] <Zero3> nextgens: The reason I'm asking is exactly in case there is a valid reason for this behaviour...
[23:15] <Zero3> nextgens: Which is...?
[23:15] <Zero3> Luke771: User friendliness.. "Click here to go back to your node" etc.
[23:16] <Zero3> nextgens: I'm not even getting a warning screen. It's simply filtered out.
[23:17] <nextgens> [21:56] < Zero3> | How would I link back to fproxy from a freesite?
[23:17] <nextgens> you are not asking for a reason but a way to bypass the filter here
[23:17] <Zero3> Both, actually
[23:18] <Luke771> Zero3: that would be a typical example of "too much user friendliness makes Joe User confused"
[23:18] <Luke771> if they're running freenet, they probably know how to go back to FProxy
[23:18] <nextgens> Luke771> do you have a running node handy?
[23:18] <Luke771> sure
[23:18] <nextgens> can you try to get 5blocks for me please?
[23:18] <Luke771> 2 of them
[23:19] <Zero3> Luke771: I'm not sure I agree.
[23:19] <Luke771> oine stable and one that's supposed to run trunk but was updated several hours ago
[23:19] <Luke771> Zero3: you don't need to: I'm right anyway :P
[23:19] <nextgens> Zero3> everything in /static is allowed iirc; nothing else
[23:19] <Zero3> Luke771: *chuckle* :P
[23:19] <nextgens> that includes the CSS
[23:20] <nextgens> hrrmmm the node doesn't want to give me the CHK back!
[23:20] <Luke771> Zero3: no, really: if a user is running freenet we can assume that he can point his browser to fproxy
[23:20] <Zero3> I don't need any info from the node.. I just want to link back to the fproxy main page o_O
[23:20] <Luke771> nextgens: what you wanted my node for?
[23:20] <nextgens> well, then you can do it... but it will display a warning.
[23:21] <nextgens> Luke771> test transparent tar.bz2 decompression :)
[23:21] <nextgens> http://localhost:8887/CHK@0FDhpd70fmcMvkjZYyYgVyDEUKHwqQv3JJd75lMyWWk,y45yNprvXJwvBMbdx9a4V7ys5ZgoVd0-bD8Uxndr0zs,AAIC--8/
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[23:21] <Zero3> New users *will* fool around for some time and be confused about the "node homepage" and freesites - and the differences. I'm trying to make this freesite really user-friendly.
[23:21] <nextgens> does that work for you? if not, any error?
[23:21] <Luke771> is your fproxy running at 8887 or we have a new feature?
[23:22] <Zero3> nextgens: How?
[23:22] <Luke771> wait
[23:22] <nextgens> Zero3> just link to /
[23:23] <Luke771> loading, loading loading....
[23:23] <Zero3> nextgens: Thats my point.. I can't...: <a><!-- freenet.clients.http.filter.CommentException: Malformed URL (absolute): There is no @ in that URI! () -->
[23:23] <Zero3> That was <a href="/"> before inserting
[23:24] <nextgens> hmmm
[23:24] <Zero3> (or rather, is - but fproxy filters it)
[23:24] <Luke771> nextgens: data not found
[23:25] <nextgens> keep trying please
[23:25] <Luke771> Zero3: someotimes I suspct that I try to make my freesites too foolproof, but you beat me
[23:25] <Luke771> nextgens: k
[23:26] <Luke771> now trying on both nodes
[23:26] <Zero3> Luke771: :P
[23:27] <Luke771> now getting 'not in archive'
[23:28] <Luke771> and now when I try again I get 'not in archive' again, but this time in a split second
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[23:28] <nextgens> Luke771> ok, cool
[23:28] <nextgens> that's the expected behaviour
[23:28] <Luke771> cool
[23:29] <nextgens> well, it ought to complain about an unknown algorithm
[23:29] <Luke771> lemme check
[23:29] <nextgens> but that's a known bug
[23:29] <Luke771> it complains about an unknown MIME type
[23:30] <nextgens> ok
[23:30] <nextgens> that's expected too :)
[23:31] <nextgens> what's the full error msg?
[23:31] <Luke771> eh
[23:31] <Luke771> I got the italian interface up for this node
[23:31] <Luke771> it says
[23:32] <Luke771> file blah blah size blah blah, MIME type: unknown. Explanation: Freenet coudn't fetch this file. This is a fatal error, trying again probably won't do.
[23:32] <Luke771> file not in archive
[23:33] <Luke771> available options: abort and go back to fproxy homepage, go back to the previous page
[23:33] <Luke771> (hopefully you recognize the strings even after being trasnalted back and forth)
[23:33] <nextgens> ok
[23:39] <Zero3> nextgens: Should i file a bug for not being able to link to "/"?
[23:39] <toad_> being able to inline / might conceivably be useful to an attacker
[23:40] <toad_> to get people to click on buttons accidentally
[23:40] <Zero3> ?
[23:40] <toad_> small iframes etc
[23:40] <Zero3> Ahh
[23:41] <Zero3> Hmm
[23:41] <Zero3> You can't allow linking but not allow including in iframes etc.?
[23:41] <nextgens> not easily
[23:42] <Luke771> If I update a wiki page now, and you don't like it, you can still reveret it to what it was before I changed it, right?
[23:42] <Luke771> revert*
[23:42] <toad_> Zero3: frames remember?
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[23:42] <toad_> Zero3: a link can update a frame
[23:44] <Zero3> So target would have to be "root"/"parent"/or whatever it is called
[23:44] <Zero3> Hmm
[23:48] <Luke771> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/Thaw
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