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[0:52] <popcorn99> hi-i have a simple question. where can i find a reliable freesite that has an older version of FMS? The new version crashes and the two older version sites i've tried end up timing out due because it can't find the data when i click on the win bin zip file.
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[0:57] <Luke771> popcorn99: go to the Freenet Applications Freesite, linked in the default bookmarks, in the left side menu there are links to FMS 0.2.23, that one worked for pretty muche everyone. You can use it until you figure out what's wrong
[0:59] <popcorn99> thanks Luke. That's what i did this morning and it timed out, but I'll try it again.
[0:59] <Luke771> popcorn99: also, you can pick any previous version you want by loading the older version of the FMSS website. This is done chengin the key type from USK to SSK and and changing the end of the uri from <key>/name/10/ to <key>/name-8/ (where 10 is the latest version and 8 is the version you want to see
[1:00] <Luke771> popcorn99: what timed out?
[1:00] <Luke771> you couldn't load the site linked from FAFS?
[1:00] <popcorn99> i also did that--toad explained how, and i found version 3.14, i clicked on the zip file and same thing
[1:00] <Luke771> hm
[1:00] <popcorn99> i got the fafs site, but it wouldnt' download the file
[1:00] <Luke771> looks like a problem on your end
[1:01] <Luke771> try to get 0.2.23 working and ask on the FMS board, the main FMS dev is there
[1:01] <Luke771> ok
[1:01] <popcorn99> ok, i'll try again and report back. thanks
[1:02] <Luke771> the problem is probably that 0.2.23 isn't downloaded often enough so it isn't being cached apurond so much lately
[1:02] <Luke771> I'll try to download it right now, do the same,
[1:02] <Luke771> downloading from 2 locations simultaneously often helps
[1:02] <popcorn99> ok, it will be a couople of minuts though--gotta get freenet up
[1:02] <Luke771> ?
[1:02] <Luke771> you should have freenet up all the time your computer is up
[1:03] <Luke771> no surprise you have problems downloading stuff
[1:03] <popcorn99> freenet isn't connected at the moment. it didn't have a problem downloading the new version, but maybe that is the whole problem
[1:04] <Luke771> when someone downloads something, it's cached on all the nodes along the way. If your node is down it won't be on the route (duh) so nothing will be cached/stored on it, and it won't learn about where files are. So, the more you let freenet run, the better it works
[1:04] <Luke771> hmmm
[1:04] <Luke771> maybe
[1:04] <Luke771> anyhow
[1:04] <popcorn99> im connecting now and will download in a couple
[1:04] <Luke771> I'm downloading 0.2.23 now
[1:05] <Luke771> btw, what do you want? the source? the exe? or the linux binary?
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[1:07] <popcorn99> it downloaded this time right away. sorry to have bothered
[1:07] <Luke771> np
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[1:07] <Luke771> hang around lemme know if it works
[1:09] <popcorn99> ok, i'll report back in a while
[1:09] <Luke771> roger
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[1:20] <popcorn99> luke, should the CRT dll files reside in the same directory as the executable FMS file, or in the subfolder underneath created when running the extract?
[1:24] <popcorn99> this older FMS version is a bit different--says it is running in console. Do i need to do something or can i go directly to the localhost:8080 as i did in the newest version?
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[1:25] <popcorn99> ie, do i need to input -install? or is it ready now?
[1:29] <popcorn99> never mind, appears to be running...
[1:29] <popcorn99> how long should it take to say "yes" to my identity being announced?
[1:30] <popcorn99> or do i need to download a trust list first--the message is a bit confusing..?
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[1:31] <popcorn99> never mind--i see it tells me it could take a day. I assume after it says I'm announced i then download trust lists..
[1:32] <Jsaxophone> Hey, I need help again
[1:33] <Jsaxophone> toad was on here before and he tried
[1:33] <Jsaxophone> I can't get the freenet 0.7 service to start
[1:34] <Jsaxophone> starting it from freenet.jar results in a java error "Can't find main class"
[1:34] <Jsaxophone> starting it from start.cmd results in 'service is not responding
[1:34] <Jsaxophone> something like that
[1:34] <Jsaxophone> I have to go back and see the actual messages
[1:34] <Jsaxophone> I uninstalled freenet and java
[1:35] <Jsaxophone> restarted, reinstalled both and same error
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[1:38] <TheSeeker> run without the service then?
[1:39] <TheSeeker> java -Xmx512m -cp freenet.jar;freenet-ext.jar freenet.node.NodeStarter
[1:42] <popcorn99> FMS--older version 2.23, is crashing in just a few minutes just like the new version. Same message: ModName: msvcr80.dll ModVer:8.0.50727.762 offset: 00008a8c anyone know what is going on?
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[1:42] <jsaxophone2> back
[1:43] <TheSeeker> popcorn99: you have the dlls linked to on FMS's page?
[1:44] <popcorn99> not sure--i didn't link anything. the dlls are in a subdirectory called Microsoft.VC80.CRT just below the directory containing fms.exe
[1:44] <TheSeeker> It kinda sounds like you're running Vista... in which case: install XP, or linux is the standard response there ... or bitch to Microsoft for making such a crappy product :P
[1:44] <popcorn99> im on XP
[1:45] <TheSeeker> put the DLLS in the same dir as fms.exe
[1:45] <jsaxophone2> ok, I'm on my freenet machine, the messages are: "Could not find the main class. Program will exit" and "The service is not responding to the control function"
[1:45] <popcorn99> ok, no probl. i'll run again and report back
[1:45] <jsaxophone2> sorry, could you paste that command line again, from before
[1:45] <jsaxophone2> my window closed out
[1:46] <TheSeeker> java -Xmx512m -cp freenet.jar;freenet-ext.jar freenet.node.NodeStarter <- max 512m of ram, use Xmx256m for 256, etc.
[1:46] <TheSeeker> if you're on linux, you'll need to use : instead of ; as a seperator.
[1:46] <jsaxophone2> I'm in windows
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[1:49] <jsaxophone2> ok, it did something, lol
[1:49] <popcorn99> FMS still crashing. Something about the msvcr80.dll. All my FMS files are in the same directory (called FMS), and they include this dll. Any thoughts?
[1:50] <TheSeeker> "this dll" should be 4 dlls.
[1:51] <TheSeeker> or, there should have been 4 in the zip anyway.
[1:51] <popcorn99> they are all there se are all in same directory as fms.exe :
[1:52] <popcorn99> 3 are dlls one is ".manifest"
[1:53] <popcorn99> tempfile now there called validatebmp-29511.tmp
[1:54] <TheSeeker> hmm, don't have one of those here... is that what's left when it crashes?
[1:54] <TheSeeker> gotta go, work day is over.
[1:54] <popcorn99> i haven't seen it before on the other crashes, but am pretty sure it wasn't there before crash
[1:54] <popcorn99> is someone else coming in?
[1:55] <jsaxophone2> quick question, so I'm running freenet wthout a wrapper, now?
[1:57] <popcorn99> i think he really goes when he says :)
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[1:59] <jsaxophone2> lol, my former ID quit
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[2:01] <popcorn99> anyone here use FMS? how do you get the messages once you get to the "boards" page?
[2:04] <popcorn99> anyone?
[2:07] <jsaxophone2> lol, no knowledgeable people left
[2:09] <popcorn99> guess not..i'm totally new here. looks like i need something called Thunderbird. have you heard of that?
[2:09] <jsaxophone2> for email?
[2:10] <popcorn99> yes, looks like FMS uses it for sending and maybe also recieving messages
[2:10] <jsaxophone2> I know of mozilla thunderbird
[2:10] <popcorn99> is it a newsreader?
[2:10] <jsaxophone2> if that's what you're referring to
[2:10] <jsaxophone2> it's an email program, an alternative to outlook
[2:11] <jsaxophone2> I never bothered with FMS
[2:11] <popcorn99> does it come with firefox? I am using firefox
[2:11] <jsaxophone2> you can download it online
[2:11] <jsaxophone2> just google it
[2:11] <jsaxophone2> mozilla thunderbird
[2:12] <popcorn99> ok thanks. I'm going to try FMS just to better understand what files are available and how to get them
[2:12] <popcorn99> maybe most files people get here are one-on-one?'
[2:13] <popcorn99> good luck with the probs you are having, and thanks
[2:15] <Luke771> oh
[2:15] <Luke771> I saw you're back only now popcorn99
[2:16] <Luke771> you have to use my complete nickname so my client will alert me
[2:16] <Luke771> but ok
[2:16] <Luke771> reading
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[2:16] <popcorn99> Luke771, each time FMS bombs i get a validatebmp temp file
[2:17] <Luke771> I p4robably am too old for this
[2:17] <Luke771> I can't think of any meaning for 'bomb' except 'big explosions'
[2:17] <popcorn99> ??
[2:17] <Luke771> gtg one minute I'll be back soon
[2:18] <Luke771> like 10 min or so
[2:18] <popcorn99> :))) sorry...is "crashes" better?
[2:18] <popcorn99> ok see you in 10 or so
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[2:25] <jsaxophone2> does anyone know what java -Xmx512m -cp actually does in the command line?
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[2:25] <Luke771> well
[2:25] <jsaxophone2> I was told to use this on my freenet node to start it up
[2:26] <jsaxophone2> since I can
[2:26] <jsaxophone2> 't start up the normal way
[2:26] <Luke771> jsaxophone2: the command you're talking about is used to launch freenet without the wrapper
[2:26] <jsaxophone2> what exactly does the wrapper do?
[2:26] <Luke771> hmmm... 'wraps' freenet?
[2:26] <Luke771> no really
[2:27] <jsaxophone2> lol, I figured I'd get that kind of answer
[2:27] <jsaxophone2> it wraps the java files?
[2:27] <Luke771> you need the wrapper for instance because without it, freenet won't be able to restart itself after fetching an update
[2:27] <jsaxophone2> ic
[2:27] <Luke771> i guess it's for something else too but I don't really know. I do know that you need the wrapper for freenet to auto restart
[2:28] <jsaxophone2> how would I fix the problem I'm having now
[2:28] <Luke771> what problem
[2:28] <jsaxophone2> I can't use freenet.jar or start.cmd
[2:28] <Luke771> hm
[2:28] <jsaxophone2> sorry, you weren't on before
[2:29] <Luke771> so you're on windows, and you installed freenet, and now you're trying to start it double-clicking on freenet.jar?
[2:29] <jsaxophone2> I reinstalled both Java and freenet
[2:29] <jsaxophone2> JRE
[2:29] <Luke771> 1.6?
[2:29] <jsaxophone2> current version
[2:29] <Luke771> and you're sure that jqava does work?
[2:29] <Luke771> java*
[2:29] <jsaxophone2> whatever's on the main website is what I installed
[2:29] <jsaxophone2> the java website
[2:30] <Luke771> what's the exact problem? What happens when you click on the desktopshortcut 'start freenet'?
[2:30] <jsaxophone2> I can't be sure, I don't have many apps that are java based
[2:30] <Luke771> btw, do you see FProxy?
[2:30] <Luke771> you can check on the java website, we'll do that later if needed
[2:30] <jsaxophone2> I don't have a shortcut, but if I open freenet.jar, I get "Could not find main class"
[2:31] <Luke771> you don't need to open freenet.jar
[2:31] <Luke771> you have start menu shortcuts?
[2:31] <Luke771> 'the free network project'
[2:31] <Luke771> point your browser to http://127.0.0.1:8888
[2:31] <Luke771> what do you get?
[2:31] <jsaxophone2> hmmm,
[2:32] <jsaxophone2> no, no shortcuts are avail
[2:32] <jsaxophone2> I probably disselected the option during the installation
[2:32] <Luke771> ok forget that, what do you get at http://127.0.0.1:8888
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[2:33] <jsaxophone2> simple, blank page
[2:33] <jsaxophone2> freenet is not running
[2:33] <Luke771> sorry popcorn99 you were there first, the problem is that I don't really know how to help you. I'll let you know if I think of something
[2:33] <Luke771> o k
[2:33] <Luke771> browse to program files\freenet
[2:33] <Luke771> is there a folder called 'uninstaller'?
[2:33] <jsaxophone2> I'm there, now
[2:34] <jsaxophone2> yea
[2:34] <Luke771> you just installed freenet, right?
[2:34] <popcorn99> ok, you saw my message about the validatebmp tmp files that showed up each time i ran FMS ?
[2:34] <jsaxophone2> well, I was running FN for about a month, then it closed itself one day, I tried to open it like normal and I could not get the freenet.jar or start.cmd to work, like normal
[2:35] <jsaxophone2> I uninstalled and reinsta;;ed more recently
[2:35] <Luke771> how about we uninstall and reinstall it, so you can tell me what happens on each step
[2:35] <Luke771> popcorn99: yes I got that
[2:35] <jsaxophone2> k
[2:35] <Luke771> the fact that you don't have shortcuts is weird
[2:35] <Luke771> you remember deselecting them?
[2:36] <Luke771> what happens when you double click on start.cmd
[2:36] <Luke771> ?
[2:36] <jsaxophone2> I probably did
[2:36] <jsaxophone2> I don't keep anything on my desktop
[2:36] <Luke771> k
[2:36] <Luke771> what happens when you double click on start.cmd?
[2:37] <popcorn99> ok, i don't want to be pushy, but when should I check back with you?, or should i run something someone suggested this morning to debug called showfiles.php?group_id=2435
[2:37] <jsaxophone2> start.cmd returns: "The service is not responding to the control function"
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[2:37] <Luke771> popcorn99: the problem is that I don't even know what a validatebmp tmp file is.
[2:38] <popcorn99> :) hmm it shows up in the FMS directory, but if you don't know i'm in trouble, i think :)
[2:38] <Luke771> pop I'll bre back to you if I think of something, right now I have a list of things I could try to help sax, but can't think of anything to help you. I promise I'll call you if I think of something
[2:39] <popcorn99> thanks, how am i "called" (sorry for ignorance)
[2:39] <Luke771> jsaxophone2: go to my computer > right click > manage > sevices
[2:39] <Luke771> I mean I use your nickname so your client will blilnk
[2:39] <popcorn99> ok, do i need to stay connected to IRC?
[2:39] <Luke771> that wpould be good yes
[2:40] <popcorn99> ok. good luck jsax )
[2:40] <jsaxophone2> thanks
[2:40] <jsaxophone2> ok, I'm in services
[2:40] <Luke771> find the freenet service
[2:40] <Luke771> is it there at all?
[2:40] <jsaxophone2> lol, nope
[2:41] <jsaxophone2> oh snap
[2:41] <jsaxophone2> 1 sec
[2:41] <Luke771> popcorn99: if you have something you can try, why not doing it? That showfiles.php?group_id=2435 may be an idea, whatever it is...
[2:41] <jsaxophone2> lol, wrong machine
[2:41] <Luke771> rofl
[2:41] <jsaxophone2> VPN
[2:41] <Luke771> reminds me of a guy who lost a box
[2:42] <Luke771> I mean physically lost, he could ping and everything but he had no idea where the box was
[2:42] <jsaxophone2> ok, I'm in services of the CORRECT machine
[2:42] <Luke771> anyhow
[2:42] <Luke771> is freenet service there?
[2:42] <jsaxophone2> yes
[2:42] <Luke771> started?
[2:42] <Luke771> (i guess no)
[2:42] <jsaxophone2> not started but set to automatic
[2:42] <Luke771> yes
[2:43] <Luke771> try rightclick > start
[2:43] <Luke771> (wild guess: it'll pop up an error)
[2:43] <jsaxophone2> error 1053: The service did not respond to the start or control request in a timely fashion
[2:44] <Luke771> ok
[2:44] <Luke771> close the services window
[2:44] <Luke771> go back to freenet folder\uninstaller, and run the uninstaller.jar
[2:44] <Luke771> select all the options to uninstall everything, including delete the freenet folder
[2:45] <Luke771> tell me when you're done
[2:45] <jsaxophone2> i did get an error here
[2:45] <jsaxophone2> but it's asking me if I want to continue
[2:46] <Luke771> what error?
[2:46] <jsaxophone2> window bar says execution failed
[2:46] <Luke771> popcorn99: another thing you could do is google validatebmp temp file and find out what that is about, because I have no idea
[2:46] <Luke771> oh well
[2:47] <Luke771> the freenet service isnt there anyway
[2:47] <jsaxophone2> the error is wrapper-windows.x88....exe is not recognised as an internal/external command
[2:47] <Luke771> I guess you could simply delete the whole directory
[2:47] <Luke771> check whether freenet is in the uninstall app list in control panel
[2:47] <jsaxophone2> well, I hit continue
[2:47] <Luke771> sure
[2:47] <jsaxophone2> it looks like it worked
[2:47] <Luke771> if it did, the freenet folder should be gone
[2:48] <jsaxophone2> freenet folder is gone
[2:48] <Luke771> if not, delete it
[2:48] <Luke771> ok
[2:48] <Luke771> now go to the java website
[2:48] <Luke771> there must be a link 'check you java' or something like that
[2:48] <Luke771> make sure that java is working
[2:49] <Luke771> also pop up the install/uninstall applications and see if you have more than one java installed
[2:49] <jsaxophone2> yes
[2:49] <jsaxophone2> v.6 update 7
[2:49] <Luke771> and the website? you ran the check from the website?
[2:50] <Luke771> you should get 'congratulations! you have the latest java software'
[2:50] <jsaxophone2> yea, I ckicked on "do I have Java?"
[2:50] <Luke771> and it said yes
[2:50] <Luke771> cool
[2:50] <jsaxophone2> and now I have a dancing penguin
[2:50] <jsaxophone2> lol
[2:50] <jsaxophone2> or whatever it is
[2:50] <Luke771> shoot it!
[2:50] <jsaxophone2> hey, I won a free ipod
[2:50] <Luke771> now go to the freenet website and click 'install freenet', report each step
[2:50] <jsaxophone2> lol, jk
[2:50] <Luke771> yeah right
[2:51] <Luke771> I can't count how many sportscar and home theaters I won
[2:51] <Luke771> they stopped bugging me when I started sending them briks with the 'free answer' envelop
[2:52] <jsaxophone2> ok, installer is running
[2:52] <Luke771> k
[2:52] <Luke771> don't deselect anything, you can modify stuff later
[2:52] <Luke771> just keep all the defaults
[2:52] <jsaxophone2> yup
[2:53] <Luke771> do you have firefox installed?
[2:53] <jsaxophone2> selected the directory, all the plugins, and yes, I have FF3
[2:53] <Luke771> k, keep going
[2:53] <Luke771> is FF the default browser?
[2:54] <jsaxophone2> installing now
[2:54] <jsaxophone2> yea, I hate IE
[2:54] <Luke771> k
[2:54] <Luke771> well I hate the whole MS corp, too bad you can't skip windows if you want to play some games... but I ONLY use win for games (OK that's another sotry)
[2:55] <Luke771> story*
[2:55] <jsaxophone2> hehe, I've just become so used to windows
[2:55] <jsaxophone2> I have Mandriva
[2:55] <jsaxophone2> but it works so-so on most of my computers
[2:55] <jsaxophone2> I keep screwing something up, lol
[2:55] <Luke771> ubuntu is very easy to use if you're used to windows, and most stuff do work out of the box
[2:56] <jsaxophone2> right now, it's my video drivers
[2:56] <Luke771> see
[2:56] <jsaxophone2> I was thinking of ubuntu
[2:56] <jsaxophone2> or kubuntu
[2:56] <Luke771> I have a three-monitor setup with 2x nvidia cards, runs perfectly with one-click installing drivers
[2:56] <jsaxophone2> since I like KDE
[2:56] <Luke771> kde is heavier
[2:56] <Luke771> i have a spiffed up gnome
[2:57] <jsaxophone2> I might try it one of these days
[2:57] <jsaxophone2> I've got a single 512 Nvidia card
[2:57] <jsaxophone2> with 2 monitors
[2:57] <Luke771> gnome with kde windows decoration and a dual-row panel, one row gnome and one row kde, so I can use programs and applets from bothj, and have both main menus
[2:57] <Luke771> I have that, + another card with one monitor
[2:58] <Luke771> needs for games
[2:58] <Luke771> i play mostly flight simulators, and with three monitors that's awesome
[2:58] <Luke771> anyhow
[2:58] <Luke771> is the installation finished?
[2:58] <jsaxophone2> on step 7 of 9
[2:58] <Luke771> k
[2:58] <jsaxophone2> 8
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[3:00] <jsaxophone2> hmmm
[3:00] <jsaxophone2> same problem
[3:00] <jsaxophone2> the last 5 lines of the installation read:
[3:00] <jsaxophone2> wrapper | Freenet 0.7 darknet-8888 installed.
[3:00] <jsaxophone2> - Start the node up
[3:00] <jsaxophone2> The service is not responding to the control function.
[3:00] <jsaxophone2> More help is available by typing NET HELPMSG 2186.
[3:00] <jsaxophone2> All done, please click Next
[3:01] <jsaxophone2> I clicked next and this time, I'm allowing shortcuts to be created
[3:03] <jsaxophone2> ok, 3 shortcuts were created on my desktop
[3:03] <jsaxophone2> browse FN, start and stop
[3:03] <Luke771> hit browse fn
[3:04] <Luke771> haahhh forget it
[3:04] <Luke771> the service is not responding blah blah
[3:04] <jsaxophone2> command window came up
[3:04] <jsaxophone2> nothing in it
[3:04] <Luke771> hm
[3:04] <TheSeeker> jsaxophone2: are you running as administrator?
[3:04] <Luke771> you sure you havent disabled a bunch of services in an attempt to improve performace?
[3:05] <Luke771> oh
[3:05] <Luke771> I hadn't thought of that
[3:05] <jsaxophone2> I run as an administrative user
[3:05] <Luke771> but it's not called 'administrator'?
[3:05] <jsaxophone2> I was for a while
[3:06] <TheSeeker> if it's in the admin group that's fine for XP
[3:06] <Luke771> is that vista or xp, or what?
[3:06] <jsaxophone2> XP
[3:06] <Luke771> ok
[3:06] <jsaxophone2> I'm currently using my regular username account tho
[3:06] <Luke771> so an user with administrative privileges would be OK as long as it's not called administrator'
[3:06] <jsaxophone2> why's that?
[3:07] <Luke771> now the next thing I was thinking about (but I don't really know) is that maybe freenet needs some service to run before it can run, and that service has been disabled
[3:07] <TheSeeker> this is why I don't use the service at all :P
[3:07] <jsaxophone2> let me see what's disabled
[3:07] <Luke771> 'administrator' is bad, m'kay?
[3:08] <Luke771> oh TheSeeker you run Windows? Maybe you know what services are needed?
[3:08] <jsaxophone2> disabled list:
[3:08] <jsaxophone2> telnet
[3:08] <jsaxophone2> secondary logon
[3:08] <Luke771> hm?
[3:08] <TheSeeker> only need 2 files. freenet.jar and freenet-ext.jar ... just manage updates and restarts manually sheesh.
[3:08] <TheSeeker> secondary login sounds probable.
[3:09] <Luke771> the installer creates a freenet user and runs the service as that user
[3:09] <jsaxophone2> routing and remote access, network DDE, help & support, Clipbook, Alerter
[3:09] <jsaxophone2> that's all
[3:09] <Luke771> you need secondary logon
[3:09] <jsaxophone2> ahh, I'm following
[3:09] <Luke771> re enable and start secondary logon
[3:10] <jsaxophone2> cinde freenet is a second user
[3:10] <jsaxophone2> *since
[3:10] <Luke771> yes
[3:10] <Luke771> that's a very much needed security feature
[3:10] <Luke771> so without secondary logon windows can't start freenet because it tried to run as a user that can't run
[3:10] <Luke771> can log in
[3:11] <Luke771> can't*
[3:12] <Luke771> popcorn99: any news? You found out anything about validatebmp temp file? You tried to run that debug thing?
[3:13] <jsaxophone2> ok, I'm going to try restarting the freenet machine
[3:13] <jsaxophone2> that might've done the trick, but I think I need a fresh start to verify, no succeess at the moment, BTW
[3:14] <Luke771> i dont think you need to restart the whole box
[3:14] <Luke771> just start the secondary logon service
[3:14] <jsaxophone2> yea, it's started
[3:14] <jsaxophone2> but still no dice
[3:14] <Luke771> you tried to start the freenet servidce and it didn't work?
[3:15] <jsaxophone2> yea, not responding to the control function
[3:15] <Luke771> well ok you can try and reboot but I think that there may have been some problem during install because the freenet user couldn't work, so you may need to reinstall again
[3:15] <Luke771> but OK try rebooting first
[3:16] <Luke771> is the secondary logon service to 'automatic'?
[3:16] <jsaxophone2> yea, I'm thinking of trying both
[3:16] <jsaxophone2> hehe, yea, it's back to auto
[3:16] <Luke771> k
[3:16] <jsaxophone2> I'll be back in a bit
[3:17] <Luke771> k
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[3:22] <popcorn999> luke711 i'm back as popcorn999 now--just to let you know
[3:22] <Luke771> i saw
[3:22] <Luke771> if popcorn99 is registered you can kick him
[3:22] <Luke771> ghost
[3:23] <Luke771> any news? You found out anything about validatebmp temp file? You tried to run that debug thing?
[3:23] <popcorn999> i think it is me--i lost connection--how do i kick him?
[3:23] <popcorn999> i haven't ever debugged before and got bogged down with just doing a cd programfiles in DOS!
[3:24] <Luke771> if the user popcorn99 is regustered you can do /msg nickserv ghost popcorn99 <your-password>
[3:24] <Luke771> but if it isnt registered you can only wait for the server to detect it's dead (or one of our chanops to kick him)
[3:25] <popcorn999> no prob. i think it is just me, but not sure. i can ignore for now
[3:25] <Luke771> sure
[3:26] <popcorn999> i'm willing to try a debug--or maybe i can look at the validatebmp temp file--not sure what to open it with though
[3:26] <Luke771> you're on linux?
[3:26] <Luke771> open with a text editor?
[3:26] <popcorn999> i don't think so--using windows xp
[3:26] <Luke771> notepad
[3:26] <popcorn999> i'll try and report back
[3:30] <popcorn999> notepad and wordpad open the files but show nothing--i hadn't noticed before there are no bytes in the file listing
[3:31] <Luke771> well then it's a blank file
[3:31] <Luke771> is it 0b in size?
[3:31] <popcorn999> yes
[3:32] <Luke771> blank file
[3:32] <Luke771> hmpf
[3:32] <popcorn999> what's hmpf
[3:32] <Luke771> kinda like "i wonder wtf is happening here"
[3:32] <popcorn999> yeah...i've never debugged before--is that worth trying
[3:33] <Luke771> wait
[3:33] <Luke771> you installed those windows runtime files?
[3:33] <popcorn999> yes
[3:34] <popcorn999> 13 files in directory including 3 dll, 1 manifest and 5 tmp and 2 zip
[3:34] <Luke771> you installed fms as a service?
[3:35] <popcorn999> not sure--got it off the apps 2.23 site, but noticed the -install option when running--didn't do anything in DOS
[3:35] <Luke771> ok
[3:36] <Luke771> let's reinstall everything from scrats
[3:36] <Luke771> scratch
[3:36] <popcorn999> ok
[3:36] <Luke771> so we're sure we do it right
[3:36] <Luke771> delete the whole fms directory
[3:36] <popcorn999> ok
[3:36] <Luke771> then create an fms directory inside the freenet folder
[3:37] <Luke771> then drop both the executables and the runtime foes in there
[3:37] <popcorn999> it won't let me delete it--says it is being used by another prog
[3:37] <Luke771> then it's running
[3:37] <Luke771> well then
[3:37] <Luke771> reboot
[3:38] <Luke771> (the old windows cure for everything)
[3:38] <popcorn999> shut all down and reboot?
[3:38] <Luke771> yeah
[3:38] <popcorn999> ok, i'll be back in 5 minutes
[3:38] <Luke771> k
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[3:38] <jsaxophone2> I'm back
[3:38] <jsaxophone2> :D
[3:38] <jsaxophone2> well, actually, :(
[3:39] <jsaxophone2> services are running, freenet was reinstalled
[3:39] <Luke771> k
[3:39] <Luke771> and?
[3:39] <jsaxophone2> still at square 1
[3:39] <Luke771> gr
[3:39] <jsaxophone2> tell me about it, time to throw this box out the window
[3:39] <Luke771> at this point there's not much I can do
[3:40] <Luke771> install ubuntu in dual boot and run freenet on it?
[3:40] <Luke771> or
[3:40] <Luke771> google the text of the error message
[3:40] <jsaxophone2> I checked the text, most links back to Java
[3:41] <jsaxophone2> but java was freshly installed as well
[3:41] <Luke771> can you start freenet without the wrapper?
[3:41] <jsaxophone2> yea, I managed to do that
[3:41] <jsaxophone2> I was given a command line to do so
[3:41] <Luke771> well you can run freenet that way in the meantime
[3:41] <jsaxophone2> and it started
[3:41] <jsaxophone2> I'm just not sure how well it'll run without the wrapper
[3:42] <Luke771> it will work
[3:42] <Luke771> you'll be able to browse freesite and run freenet based apps
[3:42] <Luke771> download, upload etc
[3:42] <jsaxophone2> hmmm
[3:42] <Luke771> but it won't autorestart after fecthing an update, you the 'automatically install updates' feature won't work
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[3:43] <Luke771> and probably some other minor inconveniences
[3:43] <jsaxophone2> what would cause it to work but not the wrapper?
[3:43] <Luke771> i have no idea
[3:43] <jsaxophone2> hehe
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[3:43] <Luke771> a bad version of the wrapper?
[3:43] <jsaxophone2> I doubt it, the wrapper comes with the online install
[3:44] <Luke771> go to downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha and get the windows wrapper
[3:44] <jsaxophone2> at least the dll file
[3:44] <Luke771> run the update.cmd, just in case
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[3:45] <jsaxophone2> oddly enough, last time I ran the update.cmd, it changed the user privilages in the freenet and windows directories
[3:45] <Luke771> oh
[3:46] <Luke771> and that was before you re enabled secondary logon?
[3:46] <jsaxophone2> yea
[3:47] <Luke771> try now
[3:47] <jsaxophone2> k
[3:47] <Luke771> I'm sorry i'm running short of ideas
[3:48] <jsaxophone2> nope, did it again
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[3:49] <jsaxophone2> let me go in and fix the settings real quick, hehe
[3:49] <Luke771> jsaxophone2: at this point I don't know what else to try
[3:50] <jsaxophone2> hehe, that's alright
[3:50] <jsaxophone2> thanks for taking the time, tho
[3:50] <Luke771> run without wrapper in the meantime, check back here from time to time, maybe someone else will be able to fix it
[3:50] <jsaxophone2> I'll prolly build a nice cheap box and run ubuntu on it
[3:50] <Luke771> also ask on fms' freenet board
[3:50] <Luke771> or dual boot your current box
[3:51] <jsaxophone2> how easy is it to install freenet/frost on ubuntu?
[3:51] <Luke771> just as easy as on windows, it's the same installer
[3:51] <Luke771> forget frost
[3:51] <jsaxophone2> cool
[3:51] <Luke771> run fms
[3:51] <Luke771> frost is being dos'ed
[3:51] <jsaxophone2> I hate having to recompile programs
[3:51] <Luke771> you don't
[3:51] <jsaxophone2> yea, the DoS is on and off
[3:52] <jsaxophone2> FMS is an alternative to frost, I assume
[3:52] <Luke771> on ubuntu you have everything uyou need in on-line reporitories of precompiled prohgrams, with an internal search engine and a program called synaptic package manager that lists them all: you search for the progam you need, select it, click 'install' and you're done
[3:53] <Luke771> fms is a messaging system yes
[3:53] <Luke771> there are details on the freenet applications freesite that's linked in the freenet default bookmarks
[3:53] <jsaxophone2> yea, I'm familiar with synaptic
[3:53] <jsaxophone2> Ubuntu probably has more programs than mandriva did as well
[3:54] <jsaxophone2> since it's more popular
[3:54] <Luke771> now, if you dual boot ubuntu and windows like I do, you can do everything on ubuntu except for the games on windows, which means you can disable all that's not needed to run games, increasing performace
[3:54] <Luke771> the only drawback is that you'll ned to reboot before and after every gaming session... but serious gamers do that anyway
[3:54] <jsaxophone2> I'd probably go with a separate box
[3:55] <Luke771> yeah why not
[3:55] <jsaxophone2> that way I can run FN 24/7 and still be in Windows most of the day
[3:55] <jsaxophone2> I still need windows most of the day for my job
[3:55] <Luke771> a cheap box is good enough if you dedicate it to freenet you don't even need a GUI, you just connect to it from a remote box
[3:55] <Luke771> you could run a virtual machine inside of ubuntu
[3:56] <Luke771> if your job don't really need widows but it dioes need office apps, now open office is fully compatible
[3:56] <popcorn99> i'm back, rebooted, connected to freenet, at the current FMS site, and all files are gone from the freenet/FMS directory. Go ahead and download both the bin and runtime files?
[3:56] <Luke771> anuyhow, that's stuff for the #ubuntu channel
[3:57] <jsaxophone2> hehe, alright
[3:57] <jsaxophone2> thanks for the help
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[3:57] <Luke771> popcorn99: yes download executables and runtime, drop everything in the fms folder (makre sure it's empry first)
[3:57] <Luke771> jsaxophone2: np buddy
[3:57] <popcorn99> but first, shouldn't "freenet" show in my Windows task mgr? or is it ok that just the firefox (please don't close me and FMS windows are showing)?
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[3:58] <Luke771> popcorn99: no
[3:58] <Luke771> no freenet systray icon has been added yet, afaik
[3:58] <Luke771> go to http://127
[3:58] <Luke771> .0.0.1
[3:58] <Luke771> grr
[3:58] <Luke771> http://127.0.0.1:8888
[3:58] <popcorn99> no, i went there first, and then to the apps site
[3:59] <Luke771> ok
[3:59] <Luke771> so it's up
[3:59] <popcorn99> i just remember in past seeing "freenet" running on the task mng...sounds like all ok. go ahead and download the bin and runtime?
[3:59] <Luke771> now download the latest version of fms and runtime files
[3:59] <popcorn99> ok, doing now....
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[3:59] <Luke771> oh in the task manager
[3:59] <Luke771> yeah it should be there
[4:00] <Luke771> but if you can access freenet sites, why worry about that
[4:00] <popcorn99> just curious..ok both files are now in download directory--move to freenet/FMS?
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[4:04] <Luke771> popcorn99: yes move them
[4:04] <Luke771> popcorn99: now click on fms.exe: it should pop up a cmd shell
[4:04] <Luke771> the cmd shell should show something abouot fms running in console mode
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[4:10] <popcorn999> Luke711 sorry i got booted from IRC somehow..back now. ready to unzip CRT do i do that from the Freenet/FMS directory (same one the fms.exe is in)?
[4:11] <Luke771> popcorn99: yes move them
[4:11] <Luke771> popcorn99: now click on fms.exe: it should pop up a cmd shell
[4:11] <Luke771> the cmd shell should show something abouot fms running in console mode
[4:13] <popcorn999> all it says is "FMS has been started"
[4:13] <Luke771> well then
[4:14] <Luke771> fire up a web browser and go to http://127.0.0.1:8080
[4:14] <popcorn999> been here before...if "crashed" after a few minutes
[4:14] <popcorn999> ok, firing up
[4:14] <Luke771> you should see the fms interface
[4:15] <popcorn999> yes, i created and identity--now will solve puzzls and send page
[4:15] <Luke771> wait
[4:15] <Luke771> now stop fms
[4:15] <popcorn999> ok, sorry. i did create the id
[4:15] <Luke771> focus the cmd shell, then hit ctrl-c
[4:16] <Luke771> now we'll install fms as a service
[4:16] <popcorn999> ok, did that
[4:16] <popcorn999> ok
[4:16] <popcorn999> ...
[4:17] <Luke771> now in the cmd shell type fms.exe /registerservice
[4:17] <Luke771> it should answer 'service installed'
[4:17] <popcorn999> ok will try--don't need to worry about the directory im in?
[4:17] <Luke771> you need to be in the fms dir
[4:18] <Luke771> if you have closed the cmd shell, you need to start one then type cd C:\program files\freenet\fms
[4:18] <popcorn999> to be clear, i'm hitting start, run, command?
[4:18] <Luke771> once you're in the fms dir with your shell, then type fms.exe /registerservice
[4:19] <Luke771> start run cmd
[4:19] <Luke771> now in the "dos window"
[4:19] <popcorn999> ok, i'm a bit slow here..
[4:19] <Luke771> cd C:\program files\freenet\fms
[4:19] <Luke771> now fms.exe /registerservice
[4:20] <Luke771> and it should answer 'service installed' or registered
[4:21] <popcorn999> i typed exactly what you wrote (cd...) and says too many parameters---took out the space between program and fils and it says invalid directory--this is the prob i had an hour ago, it is like it doesn't recognize the programfiles directory
[4:21] <Luke771> ok
[4:21] <Luke771> type C: and hit enter
[4:22] <Luke771> then type cd program files and hit enter
[4:22] <Luke771> then type cd freenet and hit enter...
[4:22] <Luke771> and finally type cd fms and hot enter
[4:23] <Luke771> anyhow, your problem is that you typed programfiles as one word, it's two words, program files
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[4:24] <Luke771> and that's nothing: before win2k came out we had to change all the names longer than 8+3 letter or made up of 2 or more words, 'program files' would become progra~1
[4:24] <popcorn999> this is maddening. I'm in C and if I type Dir it lists Program Files, Windows, and some others . I can type Cd Windows and it goes there. IF i type cd program files as two words it says "too many parameters - files) as one word it says invalid directory
[4:24] <Luke771> type cd progra~1
[4:25] <Luke771> (this is weird, I can type 2-words directory name in a windows cmd shell)
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[4:25] <popcorn999> yeah, the squiggly works. im in fms now. will type the register line..
[4:26] <Luke771> remember the rule #1 of OS basic knowledge: "windows sucks"
[4:26] <popcorn999> :)
[4:27] <Luke771> too bad games companies will never made linux/unix versions
[4:27] <Luke771> (they don't even do Mac versions, most of the times)
[4:27] <popcorn999> ok i typed fms.exe /registerservice and it came back with the prompt--no message or anything
[4:27] <popcorn999> am i ok now?
[4:28] <phrosty> windows is pretty good :) it's ms that sucks.
[4:29] <Luke771> well windows does its job...mostly but it still sucks. And MS market policy of forcing or fooling users into buying their products should be illegal
[4:29] <Luke771> but that's another story
[4:29] <Luke771> popcorn999: I don't know, let's check
[4:30] <Luke771> pop up the services window: my computer > rightclick > manage > services
[4:30] <Luke771> and check if you have an fms service
[4:32] <popcorn999> i do. startup type manual
[4:33] <Luke771> ok
[4:33] <Luke771> switch the startup type to auto
[4:33] <Luke771> if you also have freenet to autostart, that is
[4:33] <Luke771> also start the service
[4:34] <Luke771> you should be good to go now
[4:34] <Luke771> all is left is to configure a news reader
[4:34] <Luke771> and start working on your trust list
[4:35] <popcorn999> ok, i'll run it. i downloaded and configured Thunderhead while you were gone but wasn't sure about subscribing--i'll figure it out. concerned about the identity--it takes a day or so? i can work on the trust list somehow before it is announced as a "yes"?
[4:36] <Luke771> you can start working on your trust list already
[4:36] <Luke771> don't worry about the 'yes'
[4:36] <Luke771> send a test message to the test board
[4:37] <Luke771> usually, you'll see the answer(s) to it before you can see your own message, that is normal
[4:37] <Luke771> soon enough, you'll be able to see your own messages
[4:37] <popcorn999> Thunderbird, not head..:) will try to send a test message . not sure how to work on trust list yet but need to read up
[4:37] <popcorn999> First thing is to make sure those crashes are history...
[4:37] <Luke771> 24 hours is more than enough, usually you're ready to go well before that. It depends on a number of factors, but let's say 24 hors latest
[4:38] <Luke771> well that's easy, look at the fms web interface: if it loads, fms has not crashed
[4:39] <popcorn999> it got that far before though..
[4:39] <Luke771> or, fire up thunderbiord and select the fms account: if you don't get 'couldnt connect to server' error, fms is up
[4:39] <popcorn999> maybe it didn't really crash but i got that Microsoft error thing..
[4:39] <popcorn999> ok will try
[4:40] <Luke771> wait maybe I know
[4:40] <Luke771> when you clicked fms and ran it, then it would pop up a cmd shell, right?
[4:40] <phrosty> whew, 1hr of cpu time later, freenet is finally started
[4:40] <Luke771> if you closed that window, that caused the crash
[4:41] <popcorn999> right--no i always minimized it
[4:41] <Luke771> now that it's installed as a service, it shouldn't crash any more
[4:41] <Luke771> hm
[4:41] <popcorn999> i hope :)
[4:41] <Luke771> phrosty: you switched to salt-hash store?
[4:42] <Luke771> popcorn999: well let it run, send messages etc. If it crashes again come back here
[4:43] <popcorn999> damn...i subscribed to "test" in thunderbird and it worked--and pulled up a "Luke" one message.. but right after that i got the 'fms.exe has encoungtered a problem and needs to close..) message
[4:44] <Luke771> restart it
[4:44] <Luke771> from the services interface
[4:45] <popcorn999> oops i just restarted by clicking on fms.exe
[4:45] <popcorn999> should i close that command box?
[4:45] <Luke771> ctrl-c
[4:46] <Luke771> then close the box
[4:46] <Luke771> check out the task manager
[4:46] <popcorn999> didn't have to--just got the same message
[4:46] <Luke771> ok
[4:47] <Luke771> go to the services windows and try to restart it again.... but I'm afraid something's wrong
[4:47] <popcorn999> ok, restarting from services interface--you mean rt click in my computer etc..?
[4:47] <Luke771> if we can't get it to stay up, we'll try 0.2.23
[4:47] <Luke771> yes
[4:48] <Luke771> my comp > rtclk > manage > services > fms > rtclk > start
[4:48] <popcorn999> ok, says started
[4:48] <Luke771> now try again, start thunderbord, subscribe to some boards, etc
[4:48] <Luke771> bird*
[4:49] <Luke771> another thing you could try if it fails again is to reboot
[4:49] <Luke771> before we switch to 0.2.23, reboot and see if that solves the problem
[4:49] <Luke771> just in case
[4:49] <Luke771> but right now just run and see how long it lasts
[4:54] <FreenetLogBot> r22789 (1164) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
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[4:58] <popcorn999> unfortunately, it didn't take long to crash again.. i loaded all the groups, but the connection just didn't last long until i got the same messages
[4:58] <FreenetLogBot> r22790 (1164) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[4:58] <FreenetLogBot> r22791 (1164) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[4:59] <popcorn999> i tried 2.23 earlier this evening and the same thing ..
[4:59] <popcorn999> i'll reboot--jst saw your message
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[5:34] <popcorn99> ru still here luke?
[5:37] <popcorn99> i'll check back tomorrow, but will fill you in here in case you read the logs.. i rebooted and FMS automatically "started" as does "freenet". However, it again gave me the error message . What may be of interest is that it did this before I connected to the internet, and of course before going to the FMS site.. it's late, i'm tired.
[5:37] <popcorn99> thanks very much for attempting to straighten this out. i'll prob check back in tomorrow.
[5:38] <Luke771> popcorn99:
[5:38] <Luke771> I got you almost by mistake
[5:38] <popcorn99> still here.
[5:38] <Luke771> you didn't use my nickname, my client didnt blick, I didn't know you were there
[5:38] <Luke771> ok
[5:38] <Luke771> ok then
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[5:38] <Luke771> lets try 0.2.23
[5:39] <popcorn99> even though i tried that earlier this eve, same thing?
[5:39] <Luke771> if you still feel like trying
[5:39] <Luke771> yes, the difference would be that now we'd install the service
[5:39] <Luke771> but otoh...
[5:40] <Luke771> if 0.3.whatever failed both as service and in console, probably 0.2.23 will do the same
[5:40] <popcorn99> i don't mind trying--doesn't take long. i'll let you know when it is ready to run..a few min
[5:40] <Luke771> uninstall the service with fms.exe /unregisterservice
[5:40] <Luke771> stop it from the services interface first
[5:41] <Luke771> then delete everything from fms dir, download 0.2.23, install it as a service with fms.exe -i
[5:42] <Luke771> note that 0.3.* versions are installed and uninstalled with /registerservice and /unregisterservice, 0.2.* versions use -i (install) and -u (uninstall)
[5:42] <Luke771> but I guess you'll run into the same problem again, something is probably wrong with your system
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[5:42] <popcorn99> ok. i'll do that. what again was the programfiles abbrev?
[5:44] <popcorn99> gotit progra~1
[5:44] <Luke771> yeah
[5:45] <Luke771> it's the old 8.3 system
[5:45] <Luke771> but I don't understand why two-words folder names don't work for you. I can type cd program files on my windows system and it works
[5:45] <Luke771> bah
[5:47] <popcorn99> strange. also even though as far as i can tell FMS isn't running now, when i try to delete the FMS director, it won't let me--says it is being used by another person or program. what is using it if the system shows no sign that it is running?
[5:48] <popcorn99> directory*
[5:48] <Luke771> hm?
[5:48] <popcorn99> never mind--i was in the directory to unregister it..
[5:48] <Luke771> checkout the task manager
[5:48] <Luke771> ah ok
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[6:14] <popcorn99> Luke771
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[6:15] <popcorn99> <Luke771> (is that how I should write your name?)..anyway, it ran longer but same thing. I see there is a log file, but can't tell if it is helpful.
[6:17] <popcorn99> will check back another time--i wonder if even an older version is worth a try?..
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[12:23] <toad_> re
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[12:55] <toad_> what's the typical "Block transfers" success rate?
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[14:04] <Artefact2> I'm back from my salted-hash migration, toad_ . I have now some .hd files, and everything works really fine. Thanks ! :)
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[14:15] <toad_> Artefact2: cool
[14:15] <toad_> Artefact2: could you update.cmd testing, then do an unclean shutdown, to verify that bloom reconstrution isn't catastrophic?
[14:20] <toad_> Artefact2: btw, i think the system hanging was caused by disk compression
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[14:21] <toad_> sdiz: hey
[14:21] <sdiz> ?
[14:21] <toad_> hello
[14:21] <toad_> sorry
[14:21] <sdiz> ugh?
[14:22] <toad_> did you see my commit?
[14:22] <sdiz> which one?
[14:22] <toad_> i think that we can safely turn off sleep in bloom reconstruction now
[14:22] <toad_> so i have...
[14:24] <sdiz> okay
[14:25] <sdiz> the darknetsizeestimatesession is very small.... i have never seen it excess 100.
[14:25] <sdiz> can we enable swap on opennet/darknet mixed node?
[14:25] <toad_> :|
[14:26] <toad_> ask vivee
[14:26] <toad_> i asked him but didn't get a clear answer
[14:26] <toad_> we probably need more simulations
[14:26] <sdiz> just consider the darknet peers' location when swapping..
[14:26] <toad_> we do that already
[14:27] <toad_> but any node with opennet enabled won't initiate or accept (terminate as opposed to route) swaps
[14:27] <toad_> err won't start or complete swaps
[14:27] <toad_> it will route them however
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[14:37] <Artefact2> toad_: ok, i'm trying this
[14:38] <Artefact2> toad_: when I stop the freenet service, it freeze the whole computer and it doesn't stop :(
[14:38] <toad_> :|
[14:38] <toad_> you told it to shut down?
[14:38] <Artefact2> yes
[14:38] <toad_> or you stopped it from the services panel?
[14:39] <Artefact2> I stopped it from the services panel (I think it is the same thing, no ?)
[14:39] <toad_> it ought to be :|
[14:39] <toad_> give it a couple of minutes, it should timeout
[14:39] <toad_> then post the wrapper.log somewhere
[14:39] <Artefact2> Yes
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[14:42] <Artefact2> My computer is responding now
[14:43] <toad_> imho this is probably related to disk compression
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[14:44] <Artefact2> Maybe. The problem is if i disable compression, I can't do upgrades, because i don't have enough free space
[14:44] <toad_> upgrades?
[14:44] <Artefact2> (like the upgrade from .data to .hd)
[14:45] <toad_> you mean the .data to .hd
[14:45] <toad_> hmmm
[14:45] <toad_> well yeah, we're going to try to avoid such things in the future thouh
[14:45] <toad_> they're really not acceptable
[14:45] <Artefact2> I fully agree
[14:45] <toad_> :)
[14:45] <toad_> it was worth it in this instance, but shouldn't be necessary in future
[14:46] <Artefact2> Ok, so I disable compression now (it will probably be a bit long)
[14:46] <toad_> could take a while yeah
[14:46] <toad_> post your wrapper.log first
[14:49] <Artefact2> http://code.bulix.org/y0ewmc-68465
[14:50] <toad_> hmmmmm
[14:52] <sdiz> if you don't have enough space, remove the *-cache.* files,... they are just cache.
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[14:53] <toad_> it's not clear why it takes 5 minutes to shut down the node...
[14:53] <Artefact2> it must be ntfs compression
[14:53] <toad_> the stack dump in the middle doesn't even show the shutdown hook... yet it evidently runs as the stores are properly shut down
[14:53] <toad_> yeah that's probably the best bet
[14:54] <Artefact2> I'm disabling it right now, Win tells me it will take 5 hours...
[14:54] <toad_> ok
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[15:01] <Artefact2> toad_: i think after that, I will defragment my disk. It may help
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[15:04] <toad_> sanity_: hi
[15:04] <sanity_> hi
[15:05] <sdiz> Artefact2/toad_: i have added 10s timeout for store.fetch(), this would remove the "sun.misc.Unsafe.park" wait
[15:05] <toad_> sdiz: hmmm ok
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[15:06] <toad_> and then it rechecks for shutdown? or what?
[15:06] <toad_> fails in heavy load?
[15:06] <sdiz> arrrr.. it don't build =(
[15:07] <toad_> :|
[15:11] <sdiz> check shutdown every 2 seconds, timeout after 20seconds
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[15:12] <toad_> what's the result of a timeout?
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[15:12] <sdiz> fetch() return null, put() throw ioexception
[15:15] <sdiz> when will the db4o branch merge?
[15:20] <Artefact2> it looks interesting, in what does it consist exactly ?
[15:22] <toad_> sdiz: i'll merge the recent stable builds into it soon
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[15:22] <toad_> i'm currently looking at recent commits
[15:24] <toad_> Artefact2: we keep the download queue in a database, and use significantly less memory, have no long resuming delay for requests, etc
[15:24] <Artefact2> toad_: wow, it looks very, very interesting. it is another type of store ?
[15:25] <toad_> no
[15:25] <toad_> the download/upload queue - the list of downloads in progress
[15:25] <Artefact2> ok. i understand now
[15:25] <toad_> the only real disadvantage is slightly more background disk I/O
[15:25] <toad_> when you have stuff queued
[15:26] <toad_> however, at the moment we have *tons* of disk I/O for some hours after startup if you have lots of downloads queued
[15:26] <toad_> I will release a jar in the next few days which has the recent changes merged so works on the current network
[15:27] <toad_> testing would be greatly appreciated
[15:27] <Artefact2> i would like to test it
[15:27] <Artefact2> but i don't download things very often
[15:27] <toad_> well i'll upload the jar
[15:27] <toad_> well there's lots of test data out there :)
[15:28] <toad_> when i was testing it i had a queue of approx 5GB, all legal content
[15:28] <toad_> if some of the top-level blocks had been fetched it would be a lot more than 5GB
[15:28] <toad_> and comfortably fitting in a 128MB memory limit
[15:28] <Artefact2> that's nice.
[15:28] <toad_> indeed
[15:30] <Artefact2> Is there any benefit in giving a lot of ram to fred ?
[15:30] <toad_> less garbage collection?
[15:30] <toad_> with the current code, there is a big advantage if you have a big store/big queue
[15:30] <toad_> with both saltedhashstore and db4o merged, it will be less of an advantage
[15:30] <toad_> but more RAM means less garbage collection, at least
[15:31] <Artefact2> I do have a big store, I plan to get 4 GB of ram soon :)
[15:31] <toad_> :)
[15:31] <Artefact2> and a really shiny 1 tb HD
[15:31] <toad_> well the bloom filter will use a significant amount of RAM independantly of what you give the node
[15:31] <toad_> 1TB datastore would use 512MB of bloom filter in RAM
[15:32] <toad_> although at the moment it's limited to 256MB
[15:32] <Artefact2> That should do the trick, right ?
[15:32] <toad_> but it dramatically cuts the disk access required
[15:32] <toad_> the bloom filter is memory mapped so it doesn't count towards the node memory limit
[15:33] <Artefact2> Yes. Large store needs a lot of ram, that's it (and that's fortunately normal)
[15:33] <toad_> pretty much
[15:33] <toad_> if you do lots of inserts you may need more RAM, even with the db4o branch
[15:34] <Artefact2> oh, and, why did you split the datastore between store and cache ?
[15:34] <toad_> :)
[15:34] <toad_> well it's a two level cache