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[12:10] <Luke771> toad_: i think I have a problem with the node
[12:10] <Luke771> with both nodes, actually
[12:10] <toad_> hmmm?
[12:11] <Luke771> both filled up the 475MB datastores in a couple of days, the trunk node even filled the whole directory
[12:11] <Luke771> 0 bytes free space
[12:11] <toad_> 475GB surely
[12:11] <Luke771> and the stable nodeyes GB sorry
[12:11] <toad_> what OS/filesystem?
[12:11] <toad_> it will pre-fill for salted hash unless the fs supports holes
[12:12] <Luke771> both Ubuntu ext3, the stable node runs on a 64bit system
[12:12] <toad_> hmmm ext3 does support holes
[12:12] <Luke771> and it has done something even wierder, the file browser tells me that the 500GB partition has both 480GB used and 420GB free
[12:13] <toad_> hehe
[12:13] <Luke771> i checked with fsck, it output 'clean' in a few seconds
[12:13] <toad_> that means it's using holes
[12:13] <toad_> i don't understand why it would have 0 bytes free on the other one
[12:13] <Luke771> so it's OK?
[12:13] <Luke771> maybe I messed up the config, lemme double check
[12:13] <toad_> not if it has 0 bytes free it isn't
[12:14] <Luke771> I mean the fact that it filled up so quick is normal?
[12:14] <toad_> the one with 420GB free is fine though
[12:14] <toad_> yeah, it'll create a big file, with holes
[12:14] <Luke771> even tho the free+used don't add up? (400GB too many)
[12:14] <toad_> yeah that probably results from using holes
[12:14] <Luke771> kinda like the file claims to be that big but it's not really so because of the holes?
[12:14] <toad_> holes are effectively a kind of data compression
[12:15] <toad_> if a block isn't occupied with any nonzero data then it isn't allocated/written
[12:15] <Luke771> well fsck and gparted both said it was ok
[12:16] <Luke771> i still don't understand how a 500GB partition can have both 480GB used and 420GB free but if you say it's OK I guess i can trust you
[12:16] <toad_> data compression
[12:16] <Luke771> now let's see the 0 free bite disk
[12:16] <toad_> all unix filesystems don't write blocks if they're full of zeros
[12:16] <toad_> if you seeked past them and created them implicity
[12:16] <toad_> implicitly
[12:17] <toad_> otoh if you actually wrote them they do write them
[12:17] <toad_> basically if they wrote them when you seeked seeks would take a looooooooong time
[12:17] <toad_> it's called "sparse files"
[12:18] <Luke771> sparse files is the same thing as writing where there's much space to avoid fragmentation?
[12:18] <toad_> no
[12:18] <Luke771> k
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[12:19] <Ratchet> how much space do I need to convert to salted hash?
[12:19] <Luke771> I don't understand what you said then, but that's not important right now
[12:19] <Ratchet> double the size of the current datastore?
[12:19] <toad_> yeah, including the current datastore
[12:19] <Ratchet> with sparse files capable fs
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[12:19] <toad_> yeah, pretty much
[12:19] <Luke771> that, and a lot of time
[12:20] <Ratchet> so, e.g. a 50Gb datastore on a 100Gb partition should convert?
[12:20] <toad_> on windows you need the limit size of the new store (cos no sparse files) plus the original store size
[12:20] <Luke771> fproxy doesn't load, I guess the node is resizing the datastore
[12:20] <toad_> sure
[12:20] <Luke771> the zero-byte one
[12:21] <Luke771> hm
[12:21] <Luke771> problem
[12:21] <Luke771> lines like INFO | jvm 1 | 2008/09/22 01:02:37 | PUBKEY-cache cleaner in progress: 3284992/7288604
[12:21] <Luke771> plus every now and then a line like
[12:22] <Luke771> INFO | jvm 1 | 2008/09/22 01:00:45 | Exception writing to log: java.io.IOException: No space left on device, sleeping 60000
[12:22] <toad_> hmmm i thought that happened "online" ...
[12:22] <toad_> well find out why it's out of disk space
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[12:22] <toad_> no sdiz unfortunately
[12:22] <toad_> i gotta bbiab
[12:22] <Luke771> only thing I can think of is that I set the datastore wrongly
[12:23] <Luke771> checking freenet.ini...
[12:23] <Luke771> I guess I got it
[12:23] <Luke771> how many GB in 475GiB?
[12:24] <Luke771> google
[12:25] <Luke771> hmpf google wont convert GiB to GB
[12:27] <Ratchet> my datastore is on a USB flash drive. iirc, I can turn off bloom filter then?
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[12:35] <quasty> hi
[12:36] <Luke771> hi
[12:36] <quasty> for some reason I have "networkSizeEstimateSession: 0 nodes"
[12:36] <Luke771> ok, I'm reducing my store to 444GB, now the problem is, will the node manage to resize it, with zero bytes free?
[12:37] <Luke771> quasty: the reason is probably that your node hasn't connected to anyone
[12:37] <Luke771> have you enabled opennet 'insecure mode'?
[12:37] <quasty> Luke771: but I am connected to a lot strangers
[12:37] <Luke771> you are?
[12:37] <quasty> I never had this problem
[12:37] <Luke771> hm
[12:37] <Luke771> are you connected to them right now?
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[12:38] <quasty> yeah, 9/10/0/0/0/1
[12:38] <Luke771> how's the bandwidth stat?
[12:39] <quasty> about 25 up and down (40KB are allowed)
[12:40] <Luke771> if everything looks OK but the estimate net size, I supect the counter screwed up
[12:41] <quasty> I also tried restarting, but it's still the same.
[12:41] <Luke771> quasty: I have estimated network size: 110 nodes, which is unbelieveabely low
[12:42] <Luke771> congratulations, you caught a bug
[12:42] <Ratchet> networkSizeEstimateSession: 2139 nodes
[12:42] <Luke771> Ratchet: version?
[12:42] <Luke771> quasty: version?
[12:42] <Ratchet> current stable
[12:43] <Luke771> I'm on 1164 r22682M
[12:43] <Luke771> anyone else seeing low estimate size?
[12:43] <Ratchet> mee too
[12:43] <quasty> #1164 r22682
[12:44] <Luke771> ok we're all running the same version only I got it from the auto update, now the question is why 2 of us see very low net estimates and one see normal ones
[12:44] <Luke771> I run darknet only
[12:44] <Luke771> how do you run?
[12:44] <Ratchet> darknet/opennet
[12:44] <Luke771> quasty are you opennet ponly or hybrid?
[12:45] <Luke771> only*
[12:45] <quasty> My only friend is offline
[12:45] <Luke771> so you're technically hybrid but running as opennet right now
[12:45] <quasty> yep
[12:45] <Luke771> the thing gets wierder
[12:46] <Luke771> OK, I can do nothing but trying to guess, we'll have to wait for Toad to come back
[12:46] <quasty> (it's an other person on my LAN, which is away now)
[12:46] <quasty> hmm.. maybewe could check the log
[12:46] <Luke771> try to let freenet run even when you're not there
[12:47] <Luke771> yeah, maybe there's some error logged
[12:48] <Luke771> meh
[12:48] <Luke771> I can't even update the freenet.ini for lack of space
[12:49] <Luke771> I don't think the node will manage to shrink the store, but I'll try anyway
[12:51] <quasty> strange.. there are errors containing a LAN IP, which isn't used
[12:51] <Luke771> is that the IP of your friend?
[12:52] <quasty> no
[12:52] <Luke771> totally unknown address?
[12:52] <quasty> http://pastebin.ca/1208310 All computers use 192.168.1.1x0
[12:53] <quasty> yeah, it's unknown
[12:54] <quasty> I only have one box running now
[12:55] <quasty> and I don't allow opennet LAN connections
[12:55] <Luke771> I'm afraid you'll have to wait for toad to come back or someone else who actually understand how stuff work. I don't think I can help you other than throwing wild guesses (I'll let you know if I come up with something that makes sense)
[12:56] <Luke771> in the meantime it would be nice to know how anyone's estimate network size are doing. Weird that three of us with different settings, two saw the problem and one didnt
[12:57] <Luke771> (see I was going to go 'maybe it's...)
[12:57] <Luke771> I won't
[12:57] <Luke771> better wait for someone more competent
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[12:59] <quasty> hmm.. the "Other output" also looks strange. It's "-41723 B"
[13:00] <Zero3> Hello. toad_: Did you need any more info about the "Browse Freenet" shortcut bug?
[13:00] <Zero3> toad_: Its on the bugtracker as well
[13:00] <Luke771> This damned freenet partition is acting weird: it said it had zero byte left of free space and therefore I couldn't save the updated freenet.ini with the new store size, so I got some stuff out of the way, at least 20MB of it, but when I tried to save the edited freenet.ini I got the same error 'not enough disk space'. Right now I can't think of anything but deleting the datastore, or at least a couple of really big datastore files
[13:01] <quasty> maybe symlinking?
[13:01] <Zero3> Luke771: Edit the freenet.ini manually? Or that's what you are doing already?
[13:02] <Luke771> yes
[13:02] <Luke771> that's what I'm trying to do
[13:02] <quasty> try to move some files somwhere else and symlink/shortcut them into that directory
[13:02] <Luke771> but I get the error 'not enough disk space left'
[13:02] <Zero3> From the OS? Yet there is free space on the drive?
[13:03] <Luke771> that's the weird part: I moved at least 20MB worth of files but when I tried editing again, I got the same error: couldn't save. no disk space
[13:03] <Luke771> no there isnt
[13:03] <Luke771> the problem is that after moving files, still there isnt
[13:03] <Luke771> it could be caused by the 'holes' thng that toad was talking about
[13:04] <Zero3> Dunno what that is?
[13:04] <Luke771> the same thing that makes the drive where my other node is, have both 480 used GB and 420 free GB on a 500 GB disk
[13:04] <Luke771> i don't really understand it
[13:04] <Zero3> What distro are you using?
[13:04] <quasty> which filesystem is it?
[13:04] <Luke771> but toad tried to explain it to me, if you read the logs you'll find it not long ago
[13:05] <Luke771> both are ext3
[13:05] <Luke771> the node with the used space and free space that don't add up is Ubuntu 64 bit
[13:06] <Luke771> the one with no disk space and till no disk space after moving stuff, that's also ubuntu but 32bit
[13:07] <Zero3> Ahhhh, just read log
[13:08] <Luke771> so, toad said that the free space and used space that don't add up isnt a problem, I hope he's right
[13:08] <Zero3> Freenet tells Ubuntu that "Hey - I need up to 500 GB of storage in this file. But I only have 2 GB right now, okay?"
[13:08] <Luke771> the no free space thing may be caused by the same effect, files 'claiming' to be bigger than they actually are
[13:08] <Luke771> no
[13:09] <Zero3> Ubuntu then says "Hey - sure thing. I'll just allocatte 2 GB now then, and reserve 492 for you when you need it"
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[13:09] <Luke771> on one node, freenet runs happily but the file browser tells me that a 500GB partition has both 480 GB of used space and 420GB of free space
[13:10] <Zero3> So when Ubuntu reports "Space used", it counts the 500 GB, but when counting "Space free" it counts what you actually, technically, have available.
[13:10] <Luke771> on the other node, I set the store size wrongly because of the GB /GiB difference and the store took up all the available space
[13:10] <Luke771> yeah, something like that
[13:11] <Zero3> I'm not sure why they count in each their own way, but there is probably a reason...
[13:11] <Luke771> it says 'this many files, total 480GB'
[13:11] <Zero3> Confusing indeed
[13:11] <Luke771> but the last line goes free space: 420GB
[13:11] <Zero3> I don't know if other files could actually take some of the remaining GB's reserved for the store to grow to 500 gb.. Dunno
[13:12] <Zero3> Probably not
[13:12] <Luke771> maybe because freenet doesnt allocate disk space?
[13:12] <Luke771> there's no such thing as reserved space for the store to grow
[13:12] <Luke771> anyhow
[13:12] <Zero3> The reason you would use these "sparse file" is avoiding to actually write a 500 GB file.. Imagine you would have to wait with using Freenet until your HDD finished writing 500 GB of zeroes...
[13:13] <Luke771> the 480 used + 420 free is said to be caused by 'holes', I don't really understand but it isn't bad, according to toad
[13:14] <Luke771> now, the same effect, the free+used space that don't add up, may be causing the weird problem on the other node, where I can't save the edited freenete.ini even tho I have moved a bunch of files
[13:14] <Luke771> right now I don't see any solution but deleting the datastore or at least a couple of big files from within it
[13:14] <Luke771> anyone with another idea?
[13:14] <Zero3> I'm correct according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sparse_file - And other applications *can* take that up that space
[13:15] <Zero3> So that explains your first node
[13:15] <Luke771> they can takee up yes, but afaik freenet doesnt allocate disk space
[13:15] <Luke771> ah yeas
[13:15] <Luke771> ok
[13:15] <Luke771> that's OK
[13:15] <Luke771> now
[13:16] <Luke771> if that dont-add-up effect is actually what's causing the weeird 'no-space' problem, how do I fix that, other than deleting the datastore at least partially?
[13:16] <quasty> what about shutting down freenet, remove things like logs and then canging the ini?
[13:16] <Zero3> How much free space do you have on the second drive did you say?
[13:16] <Zero3> 0 bytes? And after moving files?
[13:16] <quasty> changing*
[13:17] <Luke771> quasty: I did: it still says that there's no free space. That's why I'm saying it's weird. Because I did the regular stuff like deleting and moving files, at least some 20MB of it, and it still says that it doesnt have a couple of bytes for me to save an edited text file
[13:17] <Zero3> Luke771: Recycle bin?
[13:18] <Luke771> Zero3: after moving files, still 0 bytes. That's the weird thing
[13:18] <quasty> did you remount?
[13:18] <Luke771> I deleted not moved to trash
[13:18] <Zero3> Luke771: Check anyway...
[13:18] <Luke771> but I guess I can double check
[13:18] <Zero3> Turn on "Show hidden files" in nautilus and check for .Trash folders in the root or perhaps in the folder where you deleted files as well
[13:18] <Luke771> yeah
[13:19] <Zero3> Ubuntu has an odd way of handling deleted files.. I've ran into similar problems before.. :s
[13:19] <Luke771> there is no .trash
[13:19] <Zero3> Hmm
[13:19] <Luke771> I have the 'add delete item' enabled, that's what I use for deleting files from the GUI
[13:20] <quasty> IIRC I had a similar error, before I switched to XFS
[13:20] <Zero3> ?
[13:20] <Luke771> instead of moving to trash, I use direct deletion but with confirmation message so I can click OK and consciously screw up
[13:20] <Zero3> Ahh
[13:20] <Luke771> anyways
[13:20] <Luke771> what's left to do?
[13:21] <Zero3> Check with the disk analyzer tool (the graphical thing that shows where your porn are hidden ;))
[13:21] <Zero3> Maybe it can figure out where that missing free space went
[13:21] <Luke771> hm, with hidden files showing I see more stuff I can delete, maybe it will show as much as 10K that's all I need
[13:22] <Luke771> I never used that
[13:22] <Luke771> is it installed by default?
[13:22] <Zero3> Yep
[13:22] <Luke771> (I don't need to hide porn, I live alone)
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[13:22] <Zero3> Smart :P
[13:23] <Zero3> Check under "accessories" (Not sure what the english word is, I'm on the Danish version)
[13:23] <Luke771> that's exactly why I always stick with english versions
[13:23] <Luke771> much easier to help/get help
[13:24] <quasty> Luke771: full ack *g*
[13:24] <Luke771> that, and the fact that lots of apps are only available in english and I hate to see languages mixing up on my desktop
[13:24] <quasty> and you don't get tricked by bad translations
[13:24] <Zero3> mmmm
[13:24] <Luke771> yeah
[13:24] <Luke771> I only use english OS's
[13:25] <Luke771> and english versions for everything
[13:25] <Zero3> "Disk usage analyzer" I think it is called.. Or do "baobab" form a terminal
[13:25] <Zero3> Or "sudo baobab" if needed
[13:25] <Luke771> that's why I always say that I hate geolocation: websites like google and youtube should choose languages based on the user's system locale, not geographical location
[13:26] <Zero3> Indeed
[13:26] <Luke771> baobab works as regular user, no need for sudo
[13:27] <Zero3> mmm, but in case you have special permissions for that partition ;)
[13:27] <Luke771> that's the freenet partition, owned by regular user
[13:27] <Zero3> Mkay
[13:28] <Luke771> btw
[13:29] <Luke771> when should the new south park episodes come out=?
[13:29] <Luke771> (OK, lets switch the OT to -chat)
[13:30] <Zero3> ;)
[13:30] <Luke771> baobab says that the freenet partition is 94% full
[13:30] <Luke771> I'll try unmount/remount it
[13:32] <Zero3> Odd.
[13:33] <Luke771> totally
[13:34] <Luke771> if unmount/remount dowsnt do anything (and I don't see why it should) I'll delete the big files from the datastore
[13:35] <Luke771> huh?
[13:35] <Luke771> why is evolution running? I don't even have an account configured
[13:36] <Luke771> 6 instances of getty?
[13:37] <Zero3> The evolution guys made some kind of "datastore" which is now used by more than evolution itself
[13:38] <Zero3> About getty: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=473859
[13:38] <Luke771> I thought I had diabled all the 'let's-run-it-just-in-case' ubuntu stuff
[13:38] <Luke771> which is actually one of the main reason why geeks hate ubuntu
[13:38] <Zero3> or http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=590864
[13:38] <Luke771> it would be a pretty good OS if it didn't try to do stuff on its own
[13:38] <Zero3> Yea, no wonder
[13:38] <Zero3> I'm a bit annoyed about all the background services as well
[13:39] <Zero3> Can't remove PalmOS support for example. What the...
[13:39] <Luke771> I think you can
[13:39] <Zero3> Not without hacking around as far as I know
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[13:41] <Luke771> if you can't remove stuff from system/preferences/sessions, try /system/administration/services, and if it isn't there either, run gconf-editor
[13:41] <Luke771> if you still don't find what you're looking for, you're gonna need to edit config files (which can actually be done, you don't need a grade in medieval magic)
[13:42] <Luke771> (who is your friend? Or even better: WHAT is your friend?)
[13:42] <Luke771> anyhow
[13:42] <Luke771> lets go back to this thing here
[13:42] <Zero3> I never dared messing with the config files except allowing sudo without password in the sudoers file (I know, someone is going to laugh after I just said that :P)
[13:43] <Luke771> sudo without password?!?
[13:43] <Luke771> dude
[13:44] <Luke771> that's SO wrong
[13:44] <Zero3> ;D
[13:44] <Luke771> it should be illegal
[13:44] <Luke771> it makes jesus cry
[13:44] <Zero3> Until they figure out how to move everything to policy-kit (or whatever it is called), thats my sin :P
[13:45] <Zero3> I'm agnosticist :P
[13:45] <Luke771> me 2
[13:45] <Luke771> switcjh to -chat
[13:45] <Luke771> #freenet-chat
[13:45] <Luke771> too much OT is bad
[13:45] <Luke771> the channel is logged and the OT may be annoying for people browsing the logs for info
[13:46] <Zero3> Or just the rest of the 51 users in here? ;) (I'm there)
[13:46] <Luke771> that too
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[14:41] <TheSeeker> heh, the Node Location Distrobution graph sure shows when 1164 became manditory ... solid green inner half -> sparsely populated outer half
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[14:52] <ordex> hi
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[15:24] <ordex> hi
[15:24] <ordex> i got a strange problem, freenet starts, but every connection to 127.0.0.1:8888 are resetted
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[15:24] <ordex> i fi launch freenet without the wrapper i can see it working..but fpc always reset my connection
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[15:25] <ordex> :( dunno what to try
[15:26] <ordex> Unable to find native library for fec8 for platform linux-x86_64
[15:26] <ordex> this line appears in my log file
[15:39] <ordex> strange...every time connection Reset, not refused...also Thaw can't connect
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[15:39] <ordex> i tried with telnet..same story, it says connection closed from by foreign host
[15:49] <Tommy[D]> ordex: the line about fec is normal, there is no native fec lib for x86_64
[15:49] <Tommy[D]> ordex: did you check the wrapper.log, if freenet does restart or similar?
[15:50] <ordex> i found the problem :P
[15:50] <ordex> it is just stupid
[15:50] <ordex> my linux box was trying to connect to 127.0.0.1 binding my public ip
[15:51] <ordex> so fpc shutted down my connection due to unathorized connection
[15:52] <Luke771> this is so stupid it makes me wonder if your box has been exposed to windows stupidity
[15:52] <Luke771> i dunno, like running .exe files in wine, or something
[15:52] <Luke771> :P
[15:52] <ordex> :P
[15:52] <Luke771> ok, gotta go now, cya
[15:52] <ordex> i didn't :P
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[17:25] <sur5r> mh, if i lower the store size, will the node shrink the cache only or also delete stuff from the store?
[17:26] <ordex> maybe the second, but i'm not sure
[17:27] <sur5r> i experience frequent crashes... and restarting with a big store takes a lot of time if the DB is broken
[17:27] <ordex> mh why don't try to understand why the daemon crash
[17:28] <sur5r> DbChecksumException
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[17:30] <sur5r> it logs that severel hundred times for the same location, all within a single second, and then then it stops
[17:31] <ordex> the same location?
[17:32] <ordex> everytime its check fails on the same location?
[17:33] <sur5r> the checksumexception is reported for the same location
[17:36] <toad_> Zero3: afaik the Browse Freenet bug is fixed
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[17:59] <Zero3> toad_: Somebody committed a fix?
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[18:20] <toad_> Zero3: i committed a fix shortly after your report
[18:20] <toad_> Zero3: get the latest browse.cmd and verify it
[18:21] <toad_> please
[18:23] <Zero3> toad_: Where?
[18:23] <toad_> from SVN...
[18:24] <toad_> maybe try Browse SVN, trunk/apps/new_installer/res/windows/browse.cmd
[18:24] <Zero3> Gotcha
[18:27] <Zero3> The fproxy launch works now, but instead of the dont-close-me I get a blank tab
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[18:45] <Zero3> toad_: I think that might be because some of the variables are supposed to be set by the installer
[18:45] <Zero3> (in browse.cmd)
[18:46] <toad_> possibly
[18:46] <toad_> maybe install a new testing node somewhere and test that?
[18:48] <Zero3> Yea, might have to do that. I finished my so-called usage review. Do you want it mailed or uploaded somewhere?
[18:48] <toad_> yes
[18:48] <toad_> mail to devl is good
[18:50] <Tommy[D]> toad_: did you watch the "node location distribution" on the stats page? looks somehow different
[18:50] <Zero3> Arhh damn, that means more people will laugh at me :P
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[19:32] <Zero3> toad_: It's in the moderating queue now
[19:32] <Zero3> nn
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[19:32] <ordex> is it normal that the java freenet process work for 99% of the cpu?
[19:34] <toad_> ordex: no
[19:34] <toad_> ordex: there will be a reason
[19:38] <toad_> ordex: it would be useful if you could try to discover it
[19:38] <toad_> a stack dump would help for example
[19:43] <ordex> how can i do it?
[19:43] <ordex> top says 99% ps says 47
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[19:55] <toad_> go to statistics and click thread dump
[19:55] <toad_> also check how much memory is in use
[20:04] <toad_> ordex: hmmm?
[20:13] <ordex> ok
[20:13] <ordex> sorry, i'm studing
[20:13] <ordex> :
[20:13] <ordex> :P
[20:14] <ordex> used java memory: 385 MiB
[20:14] <toad_> what's the limit?
[20:14] <toad_> is it rapidly varying?
[20:16] <ordex> limit is 449MB
[20:16] <ordex> yeah it is varying
[20:16] <ordex> from 340 to 390
[20:16] <ordex> then 330
[20:16] <ordex> for each page refresh
[20:16] <ordex> where can i attach the thread dump?
[20:17] <toad_> the thread dump is in wrapper.log
[20:17] <toad_> send it to me
[20:17] <toad_> email toad at amphibian.dyndns.org
[20:17] <ordex> ok
[20:18] <ordex> sent
[20:19] <ordex> hope it is usefull
[20:20] <toad_> hmmm
[20:20] <toad_> did you recently restart your node?
[20:20] <ordex> i started it just 3 hours ago
[20:20] <ordex> about
[20:20] <toad_> is it thrashing the disk heavily?
[20:21] <toad_> do you have a lot of stuff on the queue?
[20:21] <toad_> it looks like it might be restoring a bunch of incomplete downloads
[20:22] <ordex> on thaw i have 16 downloads
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[20:22] <toad_> ok
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[20:22] <toad_> that's probably it then
[20:22] <toad_> hmm
[20:22] <ordex> now it is quite, a few time ago my disk was thrashing
[20:22] <ordex> anyway it is up from about 4 hours and hla
[20:22] <ordex> *half
[20:23] <toad_> within the next few days I will post an updated (merged) version of the db4o branch, you should try that
[20:25] <FreenetLogBot> Website is up to date with r22740
[20:25] <ordex> ok toad_
[20:26] <ordex> which is the main function of db4o?
[20:26] <toad_> db4o is a database, the branch uses the database to store the progress of requests
[20:26] <ordex> ah ok
[20:27] <toad_> hence 1) no more cpu/disk thrashing on startup, 2) much less memory usage for large queues
[20:27] <ordex> good
[20:27] <toad_> at the cost of higher background disk i/o
[20:27] <ordex> mh
[20:28] <ordex> do you think this is better for harddisk life?
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[20:30] <quasty> If someone is interested in the "networkSizeEstimateSession" problem. I had the node up for two hours and it now found seven nodes
[20:31] <ordex> # networkSizeEstimateSession: 37 nodes 4,5 hours
[20:32] <quasty> g2g, bye!
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[21:05] <diemuhkuh> hi all :)
[21:06] <ordex> hi
[21:06] <diemuhkuh> i get an error at starting thaw on ubuntu 8.04 :/ is there anybody who could help me?
[21:07] <ordex> tell us the error, otherwise it is difficolt to help you :P
[21:07] <diemuhkuh> im using sun java 1.6.0_06
[21:07] <diemuhkuh> kk :)
[21:08] <diemuhkuh> the program collapsed at the end of the loading screen. the error should be "[ ERROR ] thaw.plugins.Hsqldb: ERROR: failed to load HSQLDB JDBC driver"
[21:08] <ordex> ok, i can't help you :P
[21:08] <diemuhkuh> :(
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[21:40] <toad_> ordex: yes
[21:40] <toad_> ordex: overall there should be less i/o unless your node is restarted very rarely
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[21:45] <ordex> nice
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[21:57] <sur5r> toad_: is salted-hash worth a try if i experience frequent DbChecksumExceptions?
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