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[8:46] <batosai> TheSeeker: yes I saw it and answered it. Could you please file a bug on https://bugs.freenetproject.org so I remember to fix it before next version ?
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[13:03] <tair> Hi. Could anybody explain me, where I can get full manual on freenet? I want to know how it works, what my freenet client do etc, but it is only void informarion on freenetproject.org site.
[13:04] <Artefact2> I also want do find one, but I didn't find. You can try to view the video, it explain a lot of interesting things
[13:04] <Artefact2> http://freenetproject.org/22c3vid.html
[13:05] <tair> thanks, but my browser can't show me no video on this page
[13:06] <Artefact2> why ?
[13:07] <tair> I use FreeBSD + firefox. Last is very old because it is only old version in FreeBSD port system
[13:08] <tair> and it don't supports some stuff
[13:08] <Artefact2> Yes, I know. I used FreeBSD for 6 months, and it only have flash 7
[13:08] <tair> some kind of flash support, yes, but not full
[13:09] <tair> I think, I'll use Linux Lenny, when it will release
[13:09] <Artefact2> you mean Debian ?
[13:09] <tair> (sorry for my english)
[13:09] <tair> yes, Debial Lenny
[13:09] <tair> *debian
[13:10] <Artefact2> You may try to download http://tinyurl.com/3kxbsj and play it with Mplayer
[13:10] <tair> hmm
[13:11] <tair> thanks. It's starts to download
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[13:12] <Artefact2> You can try to stream it directly with your media player (for example, `mplayer http://tinyurl.com/3kxbsj`
[13:13] <tair> I'm afraid, it's not good idea with my 256kbps bandwith :]
[13:13] <Artefact2> Indeed :)
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[14:12] <edt> any ideas why trying to 'visit' plugin pages always gives 'Plugin not found!' with a comment of /plugins and two links?
[14:13] <edt> this is with 1164
[14:15] <edt> the freenet/plugins exists and the jar file exists in the dir. One if for the Wot plugin, the second is for the ThawIndexBrowser. Both generate the same messages.
[14:17] <Zero3> edt: On my newly installed test node it works just fine :-/
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[14:23] <edt> and it used to work here... Question is how do I fix it?
[14:24] <edt> I have a very well established node with a 16G store that has over 250,000 keys - I do not want to lose this...
[14:24] <Zero3> edt: No idea. Way beyond my expertise with Freenet.
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[14:37] <Tommy[D]> edt: tried unloading and reloading the plugins?
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[15:08] <dennisn> I tried using pyFreenet's fcpput, to insert a large file, and it's memory slowly ballooned to well over a hundred megs, and when i used the -g (global queue) option, it crashed my freenet node, and without -g it just crashed itself with an insufficient memory error....
[15:08] <dennisn> .... sooo ... why is it using so much memory?
[15:08] <dennisn> can't it operate block-per-block?
[15:09] <dennisn> ie. freenet's builtin (via www interface) inserter doesn't seem to have any problems
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[15:17] <popcorn99> hi, is this where i can get some help about fms?
[15:18] <dennisn> popcorn99, probably yes
[15:20] <popcorn99> thanks. i'm new, decided to try fms. i got to the point of solving puzzles and checking for my id to be announced when i get a "serious system" prob with fms message and the app needs to close
[15:20] <dennisn> what OS?
[15:20] <popcorn99> win xp
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[15:20] <Zero3> I'm getting loads of FMS crashes as well
[15:21] <Zero3> Thats without even announcing though
[15:21] <dennisn> (no such problems here in linux ;)
[15:21] <dennisn> um
[15:21] <popcorn99> is fms widely used or only a handful using it
[15:21] <dennisn> yeah - there are many such reports on the fms boards
[15:21] <Zero3> Widely it seems
[15:21] <dennisn> someone said that deleting the database (the db3 file) stopped future crashes
[15:21] <pmpp> dennisn> get pyfreenet from svn and use dda option of fcpput if file is on node's disk
[15:22] <Zero3> dennisn: Any idea about whats going on? Is it Windoze related? I can't access the boards as FMS is crashing, so.. Err.
[15:23] <dennisn> pmpp, awesome -- out of curiosity, what does that "dda" do?
[15:23] <pmpp> it allow node to read directly the file
[15:23] <pmpp> so not memory consuming
[15:24] <dennisn> otherwise it loads the entire thign to memory?
[15:24] <dennisn> (even if it's, oh, say 2G? :)
[15:24] <pmpp> pyfreenet will load file and it over fcp socket
[15:24] <pmpp> +send
[15:26] <popcorn99> i'm really green--where is this db3 file, and where is svn, pyfreenet and will it be clear how to find that dda option?
[15:27] <dennisn> popcorn99, pyfreenet and svn are a differnet issue :)
[15:27] <dennisn> the db3 file is in the same directory as the fms executable
[15:27] <dennisn> (incidentally, is there any way to change where it is -- ie to put it in your home directory?)
[15:28] <popcorn99> r u asking me?
[15:28] <dennisn> anyone :)
[15:29] <dennisn> but, by default, it's all in the same folder
[15:29] <dennisn> so, yeah, you can try that
[15:29] <popcorn99> i'm trying now. so far no crash--usually takes 2-3 minutes
[15:29] <dennisn> yea
[15:29] <dennisn> that's what people have reported
[15:29] <dennisn> no idea what's causing it though
[15:30] <popcorn99> u really type fast!
[15:30] <dennisn> you should try debugging the executable .... with whatever the gdb equivalent is in windows
[15:30] <dennisn> :)
[15:30] <popcorn99> never tried debugging before..
[15:30] <dennisn> it's usually just a matter of "gdb executable.exe"
[15:30] <dennisn> and then it spits out, hopefully, some kind of more informative error message
[15:31] <popcorn99> i wrote that down for future..
[15:32] <popcorn99> backing up--where is the public action in freenet--is it in FMS or elsewhere? (ie back and forth public discussion). Secondly how do people contact others privately?
[15:32] <dennisn> fms, yeah
[15:32] <Artefact2> you can send freemails, to contact others privately
[15:33] <popcorn99> but how do you identify the receiver? sorry to be so ignorant
[15:33] <Artefact2> with the long address
[15:33] <dennisn> or short address :)
[15:34] <popcorn99> the key?
[15:34] <Artefact2> short addresses are less secure
[15:34] <dennisn> why?
[15:34] <Artefact2> because everyone can create the same short adress than you, and it's not very good
[15:34] <popcorn99> so far fms hasn't crashed. xixi (my symbol for crossing fingers)
[15:34] <dennisn> hm... i never thought about that
[15:35] <dennisn> that's totally insecure!
[15:35] <Artefact2> that's why i preffer using long addresses
[15:35] <Artefact2> there are not beautiful, very long but are unique.
[15:36] <dennisn> popcorn99, btw, on the fms website, they have a "windows runtime file" for download
[15:36] <dennisn> popcorn99, did you install that? or did you already have a previous version?
[15:38] <popcorn99> yes i did. it wasn't clear to me whether that should go under the bin folder or in the same folder bin is in..
[15:38] <dennisn> in the same folder, or a system path
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[15:40] <Zero3> Would those runtimes fix crashes you think?
[15:40] <popcorn99> my Micro.VC80 folder is in the bin folder. is that a problem?
[15:40] <dennisn> Zero3, probably not ... but it's a theory -- ie. incompatible versions
[15:40] <Zero3> Yea, okay
[15:40] <popcorn99> damn..fms just crashed again.
[15:40] <dennisn> popcorn99, i don't think it would find it...
[15:40] <Zero3> I'll try that the next time my FMS starts crashing
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[15:41] <edt> Tommy[D] I unloaded and reloaded (after clearing the cache) several times before asking...
[15:42] <popcorn99> i'm will moveing MS..VC80 into the freenet/downloads folder, which is the same folder the bin folder is in.. does that sound right?
[15:43] <popcorn99> that's actually ABOVE the folder the executable is in..
[15:44] <dennisn> how many files are in that vc folder?
[15:44] <dennisn> i'm not sure if windows checks the system paths ... windows/system, etc ... or the current directory first, though
[15:44] <Zero3> Those VC .dlls should be placed in the same folder as the fms executable
[15:44] <Zero3> Current folder first is standard
[15:44] <popcorn99> 4. 3 .dlls and one manifast
[15:45] <dennisn> yea .. so shouldn't be a big problem to keep every file in the same folder
[15:45] <popcorn99> ok. .dlls will be in same folder as the executable
[15:45] <Zero3> You can check which files fms loads by using filemon or similar tool. A bit of a hassle, but if you want to be sure...
[15:46] <Zero3> Or perhaps processexplorer and check loaded .dlls would work too
[15:49] <popcorn99> a bit confused--no one is copying the dlls files to the bin folder right? Rather, the VC80 folder is in the bin folder, and the dlls are in the VC80 folder. Is that how it should be?
[15:50] <dennisn> popcorn99, no, put every file in the same directory :)
[15:50] <dennisn> no sub-directories
[15:50] <dennisn> (also, just to be safe/more organized, don't keep it in the downlaods directory :)
[15:50] <popcorn99> oh..so that means I'll have no VC80 folder at all since the dlls are under it, right?
[15:50] <dennisn> correct
[15:51] <popcorn99> where do you recommend--in freenet or perhaps freenet/FMS
[15:51] <dennisn> that sounds good
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[15:51] <popcorn99> ok, will try.
[15:52] <popcorn99> if crashes again then try the pyfreenet from svn or whatever that was? is this a RAM problem? my RAM is 528 I think?
[15:53] <dennisn> no :)
[15:53] <dennisn> that's a different problem that i was having
[15:53] <dennisn> with a python interface to freenet
[15:55] <Zero3> Crashed...
[15:55] <Zero3> AppName: fms.exe AppVer: 0.0.0.0 ModName: msvcr80.dll ModVer: 8.0.50727.1433 Offset: 00008aa0
[15:55] <Zero3> Which version is the libs from the FMS freesite?
[15:55] <dennisn> i think that one... 8
[15:55] <dennisn> bummer
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[15:56] <popcorn99> oh..ok.. my folders now are freenet/FMS/fms..bin../stuff seems redundant. should just rename the bin folder to FMS
[15:56] <Artefact2> that would be better if FMS would be a freenet plugin. more simple, more easier :)
[15:57] <popcorn99> well, i gotta start over. I deleted all fms files by accident..
[15:57] <Zero3> lol
[15:57] <popcorn99> yeah..what a trip
[15:59] <popcorn99> backing up. So once again. for a newbie to find files/info and people to email to get files/info, the best bet is FMS and Freemail using the key found in FMS? Not Thaw, Frost, Librarian, etc..?
[16:00] <dennisn> thaw is a java tool to help inserting files
[16:00] <dennisn> librarian is a useless cataloger, i think
[16:00] <dennisn> frost is a somewhat obsolete message board, replaced now by fms
[16:00] <dennisn> (due to spam)
[16:00] <dennisn> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435
[16:00] <popcorn99> so, is that a yes? :)
[16:00] <dennisn> yea, i think so
[16:01] <dennisn> although it's not /that/ popular yet
[16:01] <dennisn> as far as i can see
[16:01] <dennisn> (ie. i only see less than 400 identities)
[16:01] <popcorn99> thanks. I read somewhere that Frost had a million users or so--where have they all gone?
[16:01] <dennisn> that sourceforge link that i posted should have a gdb for windows
[16:01] <dennisn> popcorn99, hopefully to fms :|
[16:02] <popcorn99> ok. Thanks for the link. I wrote it down. Hopefully won't need it but am not optimistic..
[16:02] <Zero3> ~600 messages per week according to the FMS stats site
[16:03] <dennisn> popcorn99, you probably will :)
[16:03] <dennisn> i don't think anyone has definitely solved the problem yet
[16:03] <popcorn99> yeah..
[16:06] <popcorn99> i've tried Tor, I2P and Dargens and they all look tiny....for files I've gone to emule but the the you never know what you are getting..so I thought i'd try freenet and maybe freemail. the prob is that freenet is too slow for me---5kps due to a port prob, so thought maybe if i freemail someone would mention an IRC channel to use...any thoughts on this strategy or am i missing something obvious?
[16:07] <dennisn> popcorn99, you never know what you're getting on freenet either :)
[16:07] <Artefact2> Freenet il really fascinating.
[16:07] <dennisn> yup -- i think it's the future of p2p
[16:08] <popcorn99> yeah, i found that in the past. freenet is interesting. but i thought if i find the right persons id get what i want
[16:08] <dennisn> with all the censoring and throttling that's done on other popular networks (ed2k, torrent)
[16:08] <dennisn> popcorn99, the thing is, people might not want to risk their anonymity
[16:08] <dennisn> the whole point of freenet was to be anonymous
[16:08] <Artefact2> The problem is that I can't convince my friends to use it :'( I still have no darknet peers.
[16:08] <dennisn> it wouldn't make too much sense for them to go off the net
[16:08] <popcorn99> i know..its a catch 22
[16:09] <popcorn99> how to trust strangers?
[16:09] <dennisn> Artefact2, hopefully governments will start enforcing (stupid) IP laws soon,
[16:09] <dennisn> and force everyone to join :)
[16:09] <popcorn99> :)
[16:10] <Zero3> dennisn: I'm quite sure people will become much more privacy-aware in the future :)
[16:10] <nextgens> I don't see why that would "force" anyone to do anything
[16:10] <nextgens> laws are in place in order to be respected
[16:10] <dennisn> for fear of getting sued
[16:10] <dennisn> haha
[16:10] <Artefact2> Yes, that's really nice. But, I think that our ISP's will reduce the upload bandwith (even more than today), and it blocks freenet, and everything.
[16:10] <dennisn> "good" laws, sure
[16:10] <dennisn> not bad laws
[16:10] <popcorn99> maybe I'm simply outta luck. the speed here just won't work for me..and the content elsewhere is subpar..
[16:11] <nextgens> dennisn> there is no such a thing if the political system is "set right
[16:11] <Zero3> Artefact2: I doubt. They might start basing their prices on upload as well, but as long as there is a demand for upload, the ISPs will provide :)
[16:11] <dennisn> nextgens, keyword "IF" the system is set right
[16:11] <dennisn> (it's not :)
[16:11] <Artefact2> Our governements are so stupid, they tell that "upload = used to share illegal files on p2p networks", and everyone will think it's true :(
[16:11] <nextgens> then change it
[16:11] <Zero3> Hmm. I can't make FMS load the "custom" msvcr80.dll. Odd.
[16:12] <dennisn> i'm trying
[16:12] <dennisn> in the meantime, we have freenet
[16:12] <dennisn> :)
[16:12] <nextgens> or move to some place where it is
[16:12] <dennisn> i've also considered that
[16:12] <dennisn> i doubt such places exist
[16:12] <Zero3> Artefact2: *sigh*. Hopefully people will realize the truth then ;)
[16:12] <dennisn> Zero3, try replacing the system one with that
[16:12] <Artefact2> Or maybe not. With FTTH, we have really large upload bandwidth, and it's really nice (100 mbps upload/download)
[16:13] <Zero3> dennisn: Guess I will have to...
[16:13] <nextgens> brb
[16:14] <Artefact2> Well, they have already told that p2p means illegal files... But, they doesn't know anything about internet technologies. So their counter measures are really dumb ...
[16:14] <dennisn> and /they/ say it's illegal
[16:14] <dennisn> i think the vast majority of internet users clearly disagree
[16:16] <popcorn99> thanks for the help, all. i'll try reloading, hopefully fix the crash prob, get an identity, and connect on FMS in order to private connect via freemail. Then will hope someone would be willing to share files outside of freenet . is this a zero probability?
[16:17] <dennisn> popcorn99, it would probably be better if you and this other person just shared the file over freenet
[16:17] <dennisn> it would take a little longer, sure
[16:18] <dennisn> but (1) anonymity wouldn't be compromised, (2) other people might want to download the file, etc
[16:18] <dennisn> i've heard of people uploading cd-sized files in 1 day
[16:19] <popcorn99> way too long. it took 10 hours to get a 200 mb file a few weeks ago . my anon is not a prob, but i know others are here for anon... how else to connect with people if anon is not a problem with them?
[16:19] <dennisn> ed2k :)
[16:19] <dennisn> 10 hours if fast! ;)
[16:19] <Artefact2> Freenet isn't really good for sharing big files (hundreds of megabytes). Our stores aren't infinite...
[16:19] <dennisn> ideally you should be on 24/7 :\
[16:19] <nextgens> Artefact2> huh?
[16:19] <Artefact2> A 700 mb files could erase many freesites
[16:19] <dennisn> nah
[16:20] <nextgens> you obviously have no idea what you're talking about
[16:20] <dennisn> :)
[16:20] <popcorn99> prob is i can't preview the file so i don't know what i'll get in 10 hours...too much time to waste
[16:20] <nextgens> Artefact2> but let's keep it simple: no it won't
[16:20] <dennisn> i haven't seen a single case of a spoofed file on freenet yet
[16:20] <popcorn99> as for ed2k, how to connect with those people? I' so ignorant
[16:20] <dennisn> popcorn99, you can message them privately
[16:20] <Artefact2> Huh, sorry. But , could you explain to me how it works ?
[16:20] <nextgens> dennisn> KSKs are spoofable; try KSK@gpl.txt for instance
[16:21] <dennisn> i meant someone who misnamed a file
[16:21] <kork> 18:19 < Artefact2> A 700 mb files could erase many freesites
[16:21] <dennisn> usually/always you know what you're getting
[16:21] <kork> oh, so I should stop inserting /dev/urandom 24/7? lol
[16:21] <Artefact2> lol :D
[16:21] <popcorn99> how to know what is in a file without a preview?
[16:21] <nextgens> Artefact2> I don't have time before my plane's departure; but you can start by reading the docs on the website
[16:21] <popcorn99> oh, dumb...by asking
[16:21] <dennisn> popcorn99, there is a filename, and usually a description or thumbnails
[16:22] <Artefact2> There is not a lot of technical documentation on the website, unfortunately (or i completely miss them)
[16:22] <dennisn> Artefact2, there is :)
[16:22] <nextgens> hmm?
[16:22] <nextgens> I consider PhD thesis to be technical
[16:22] <popcorn99> back to ed2k..is there a irc channel..i'll have to read up on private messaging
[16:22] <nextgens> but maybe some poeple don't
[16:23] <nextgens> there is no RFC if that's what you're looking for
[16:23] <dennisn> nextgens, there should be an RFC :)
[16:23] <nextgens> and obviously the source code which speaks for itself
[16:24] <nextgens> and there is a good reason why the technical details of the in-between-protocol aren't well documented: we don't want any fork to appear; we have enough of our own bugs to deal with
[16:24] <dennisn> i would like to see more forks :)
[16:25] <dennisn> (namely a c fork :)
[16:25] <nextgens> well....
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[16:25] <nextgens> as long as you keep it separate from the core network that's fine; go ahead and write it
[16:25] <nextgens> some people tried a long time ago; that was called entropy
[16:25] <nextgens> it's dead now afaic
[16:26] <kork> 18:25 <@nextgens> as long as you keep it separate from the core network that's fine; go ahead and write it
[16:26] <kork> what would keep me from writing an app that totally fuxors up the core network?
[16:26] <nextgens> nothing
[16:26] <Artefact2> Your conscience ?
[16:26] <dennisn> nothing is preventing people from doing that now
[16:26] <dennisn> (with the "official" java version)
[16:26] <nextgens> I'm not saying there is
[16:26] <dennisn> i just don't like a 1G binary jre
[16:27] <nextgens> but so far we have been trying to get the basics working
[16:27] <dennisn> yea
[16:27] <nextgens> dennisn> compile it from sources then
[16:27] <dennisn> i guess we should wait for the network to mature
[16:27] <nextgens> openjdk can run freenet
[16:27] <dennisn> yea -- java is /slowly/ getting better
[16:27] <nextgens> huh?
[16:27] <dennisn> but it's a very recent development
[16:27] <dennisn> (it's been closed-source for the past decades)
[16:27] <dennisn> :)
[16:28] <nextgens> well gcj has been around for ages
[16:28] <dennisn> could it compile freenet?
[16:28] <dennisn> (before)
[16:28] <nextgens> dennisn> the language has never been closed source
[16:28] <dennisn> i know
[16:28] <nextgens> of course
[16:28] <dennisn> but the jre is
[16:28] <dennisn> hm
[16:28] <dennisn> i didn't 'know that
[16:28] <nextgens> "compiling" java code is non-sense
[16:28] <dennisn> that's nonsense :)
[16:28] <nextgens> of course you could "compile" it
[16:28] <nextgens> whether you can run it is a question of point of view
[16:29] <Artefact2> So, why inserting a 700 MiB file doesn't delete some (smaller) sites ?
[16:29] <dennisn> what do you mean?
[16:29] <kork> I thought sun had made java open source recently
[16:29] <nextgens> I did run a gij/gcj powered node for a while
[16:29] <dennisn> archangelpetro, the global freenet data stores are HUGE
[16:29] <nextgens> but got fed up and switched back to sun's jvm
[16:29] <dennisn> Artefact2, sorry :)
[16:29] <dennisn> kork, yeah, *recently*
[16:29] <dennisn> kork, but it's still a huge memory hog, etc
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[16:29] <kork> well so one day, there's gonna be a freetard version of it
[16:29] <kork> ;)
[16:29] <nextgens> Artefact2> freenet is designed to be spam resistent, if inserting random data was enough to flood the network there would be no network at all
[16:30] <dennisn> nextgens, interesting
[16:30] <dennisn> nextgens, what happened (with the gcj version)?
[16:30] <Artefact2> Oh, fine. I never heard about that before :$
[16:30] <nextgens> kork> and we are gonna break the wire-protocol on a daily basis until the guy gets bored :)
[16:30] <kork> nextgens: hehehe
[16:30] <nextgens> or implement code-signing
[16:31] <nextgens> what will take us 30sec to break will take him much longer to reimplement in C
[16:31] <nextgens> that's also part of why freenet is in java
[16:31] <nextgens> it's faster to develop
[16:31] <nextgens> and right now what we lack is developper's time
[16:32] <dennisn> (breaking the wire-protocol often will break the network too :|)
[16:32] <dennisn> not everyone auto-updates
[16:32] <Ratchet> why not rewrite freenet in brainfuck? :-)) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck
[16:32] <nextgens> they should
[16:32] <nextgens> we have both auto-updates and update-over-mandatory mechanisms
[16:32] <dennisn> what's the latter?
[16:33] <nextgens> the former is done inband, using freenet's caching properties
[16:33] <nextgens> freenet is a content distribution network after all
[16:34] <nextgens> it fits the model: insert once and download a lot of times
[16:34] <dennisn> but what is "update-over-mandatory"?
[16:34] <nextgens> the later is a wire-protocol we use to bulk-transfert an update to a node
[16:34] <dennisn> hm
[16:34] <dennisn> that sounds kindof dangerous
[16:34] <dennisn> :)
[16:34] <nextgens> we usually don't break that protocol
[16:34] <dennisn> what if a core dev gets compromised,
[16:35] <dennisn> and forces all nodes to divulge personal browsing behaviours?
[16:35] <nextgens> then his svn credentials and servers credentials are compromised too
[16:35] <dennisn> along with millions of freenet users
[16:36] <nextgens> we have a revocation mechanism
[16:36] <nextgens> and we have code-signature
[16:36] <nextgens> well, there is nothing like perfect security anyway
[16:36] <nextgens> dennisn> I wish we had millions of freenet users
[16:36] <dennisn> :)
[16:37] <nextgens> comparatively to what other softwares do our solution is secure
[16:37] <Artefact2> We have hundreds of thousands, i think
[16:37] <nextgens> that's what matters
[16:37] <nextgens> Artefact2> I'm not sure about that
[16:37] <nextgens> thousands probably
[16:37] <nextgens> many people uninstall
[16:38] <nextgens> anyway
[16:38] <nextgens> time for me to go and catch my plane
[16:38] <nextgens> bbl
[16:38] <nextgens> probably not before Wednesday
[16:38] <dennisn> happy flying
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[18:08] <macksss> the freenet website is being hammered right now
[18:08] <macksss> /. effect i would think
[18:12] <kork> huh
[18:12] <kork> has freenet been on slashdot recently?
[18:13] <Ratchet> in the current poll i think
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[18:14] <Ratchet> no, not the current poll, but this: http://news.slashdot.org/pollBooth.pl?qid=1587&aid=-1
[18:16] <kork> the slashdot fosstards insult my intelligence
[18:16] <kork> I don't read that shiat
[18:16] <kork> ;)
[18:16] <Ratchet> me neither, I was just searching why the website would be /.ed ;-)
[18:16] <kork> hehe
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[19:29] <Zero3> *chuckle*
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[19:39] <Zero3> "There isn't enough entropy available on your system... Freenet won't start until it can gather enough." - Hmm
[19:40] <Artefact2> try to access some random data on your HD, visit some internet websites, sit down on your keyboard... or try to cat /dev/random
[19:40] <Tommy[D]> uh
[19:40] <Tommy[D]> dont do the latest one (if you dont want to wait for very long time) :D
[19:41] <pmpp> Zero3> "rngd -r /dev/urandom -o /dev/random" may help
[19:41] <Artefact2> (or if you don't want to break your keyboard)
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[19:51] <Zero3> Ahh. It fixed itself after a minute or so.
[19:52] <Zero3> And keyboard survived ;)
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[21:14] <macksss> kork, Ratchet: I suspect it might also be because of the first comment here: http://news.slashdot.org/news/08/09/21/160222.shtml
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[22:08] <Luke771> wtf
[22:08] <zerwas> huh?
[22:08] <Luke771> the node has been running for a couple of days with salt-hash store, now it has filled up both cache and store
[22:09] <Luke771> max store size: 475GB
[22:09] <Luke771> now, it that really awesome or really bad?
[22:09] <Luke771> is*
[22:09] <zerwas> wow
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[22:10] <Luke771> I wanted to update and the script couldnt create a temp dir, despite some 17MB left of free space: how much space does it need?
[22:10] <Luke771> my freenet dedicated drive is 500GB with store 475: what's freenet doing with the other 25GB?
[22:11] <Luke771> lemme check how the other node is doing
[22:11] <Luke771> (in the meantime, I'll update manually)
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[22:17] <Luke771> the other node also filled both store and cache in a couple of days: thios one is running stable version (the other one is trucnk)
[22:17] <Luke771> but have salt-hash store
[22:17] <Luke771> both*
[22:17] <Zero3> That sounds like a "Whooooops" :P
[22:18] <Luke771> i start suspecting that this quick fill is expected, but I'd need someone to confirm that
[22:18] <Luke771> no wait
[22:18] <Luke771> my bad
[22:19] <Luke771> I0've read wrong, the high value was the free space, on the stable node
[22:19] <Luke771> so only the truck node filled the store super quick, and that's probably very, very bad
[22:20] <Luke771> so what I'm supposed to do? Simply nuke the whole datastore? Shrink it to say 20GB and when it's done set the max size to 475 again? Something else? Nothing at all?
[22:20] <Luke771> 'truck node' = trunk, of course
[22:21] <Luke771> AARG
[22:21] <Luke771> something is really wrong here
[22:22] <Luke771> the 500GB disk where the stable node store is, it's telling me that it has both 480GB used and 422GB free (?!?)
[22:23] <Luke771> I'll run some disk check, bbiab
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[22:35] <Luke771> fsck exieted with 'clean' a few seconds, and gparted shows the freenet partition as using 20GB out of 500
[22:35] <Luke771> exited*
[22:36] <Luke771> so why does the file browser say that the datastore dir is 480GB in size and yet the partition has 422GB of free space?
[22:37] <Luke771> something's terribly wrong with the datastore?
[22:37] <zerwas> does df -h show good values?
[22:39] <Luke771> how exactly do I use that? I did df -h /dev/sdb1 but it gives value that arent consistent with the partition size, maybe it's looking at /dev
[22:40] <zerwas> df -h /dev/sdb should do it
[22:40] <Luke771> do I run that on the mounted partition?
[22:40] <Luke771> ok
[22:40] <Luke771> looks wrong?
[22:40] <Luke771> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[22:40] <Luke771> udev 2.0G 80K 2.0G 1% /dev
[22:40] <Luke771> sdb1 is 500GB
[22:41] <Luke771> well I do have an idea
[22:41] <zerwas> umm strange. but gparted should give correct values so i don't think the partition is full
[22:41] <Luke771> gparted looks good
[22:42] <Luke771> there's some file in the datastore claiming to be much bigger than it actually is, that seems to be the ptoblem (at least it looks like that to me, and I don't really know how this stuff work)
[22:43] <Luke771> so the idea is, I go into datastore, find the files ((one cahce and one store) that appear to be 200+GB in size, delte them, and see what happens
[22:43] <Luke771> delete*
[22:43] <Luke771> any better idea?
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[22:46] <Luke771> otoh, last time I checked, the nose was doing some datastore maintainance, maybe better wait for it to finish, before attempting anything
[22:47] <zerwas> probably, yeah
[22:47] <Luke771> yeah, I think I'll do this: wait for that maintainance thingy to finish first, then have another look. Possibly in the meantime someone will read this and come up with more ideas
[22:47] <Luke771> OK
[22:47] <Luke771> re-mounting partition, restarting node
[22:47] <zerwas> you can use baobab for finding the biig file
[22:47] <Luke771> wish I was superstitios so I could cross my fingers and feel better
[22:50] <Luke771> the trunk node also says it's filled up the store, but at least free space and used space add up
[22:50] <Luke771> and it's also doing mainainance, I'll let it finish
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[23:14] <zerwas> hm all the devs are sleeping. i'd say: Wait until tomorrow to get competent help
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