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[0:00] <toad_> you don't have to know them IRL, but you do need to have some basic basis for trust - have talked with them at length, etc
[0:00] <toad_> if you have no idea who they are or what they think and your only reason for communicating with them is to exchange refs then they're not part of your social network, they're probably working for the bad guys, and you shouldn't connect to them
[0:00] <toad_> for both performance and security reasons
[0:01] <toad_> granted it may be marginally safer than freenet given certain assumptions, but there is a significant performance cost
[0:01] <Lykos> but in MY social network there isn't anyone who runs freenet
[0:03] <toad_> then the level of security you can obtain from freenet is limited to what opennet provides
[0:03] <toad_> which is still better than many alternatives
[0:04] <Lykos> there is a chat for freenet right?
[0:04] <toad_> there are a few
[0:04] <toad_> FMS is the main one now
[0:05] <toad_> it's not real time, it's like newsgroups, forums
[0:05] <Lykos> perhaps i get to know someone there
[0:05] <toad_> perhaps
[0:05] <Lykos> now i have to configure my router
[0:06] <toad_> or perhaps freenet will become so popular, fast and useful, and have so much content, that some of your pre-existing friends might be interested in it
[0:06] <Lykos> i know how, but i forgot his IP :-!
[0:06] <toad_> hmmm?
[0:07] <Lykos> they are interested, but they fear the uptime
[0:07] <Lykos> which should be as big as possible
[0:07] <toad_> uptime?
[0:07] <toad_> you mean they have laptops that run 2 hours a day to fetch their email?
[0:08] <toad_> if the worry is the system overhead (cpu, disk load, etc), we're working on that
[0:08] <toad_> memory
[0:09] <toad_> ... and when they do run they're behind some evil firewall somewhere ...
[0:10] <Lykos> jes i saw it, it would even run with 256 MB!
[0:10] <toad_> hmm?
[0:10] * toad_ is currently working on code to download many ISOs at once on 128MB of RAM
[0:11] <Lykos> that is good, because I am looking for cheap and low wattage 24/7 hardware
[0:11] <Lykos> perhaps i find something like a overdimentioned router or a very little PC
[0:12] <toad_> :)
[0:12] <Lykos> is there a product U know?
[0:12] <toad_> well even if it runs comfortably in a 128M VM, you have the JVM itself, and then the operating system
[0:13] <Lykos> I know, and of course it will be a gentoo hand compiled...
[0:13] <toad_> which is at least another 64M if you use linux with no GUI .... 1GB if you use Vista with GUI :)
[0:13] <toad_> also you probably want to run other services on it
[0:13] <toad_> so i'd say no less than 256MB
[0:13] <toad_> physical RAM
[0:14] <Lykos> but last time I asked, because i was hardly buing something like that, they said i needed at least 512MB
[0:14] <toad_> well
[0:15] <toad_> if you use trunk you'll definitely need 512MB if you want to have a significant number of queued downloads
[0:15] <toad_> the new code, the database branch, will be merged when it's ready, but hopefully in the next month or two
[0:16] <toad_> are you planning to have a hard disk in it?
[0:16] <toad_> flash is probably a bit small if you want to do major downloading
[0:16] <Lykos> yes, a big one
[0:17] <Lykos> something like 500GB
[0:17] <toad_> you can get 500G disks remarkably cheaply now
[0:17] <Lykos> I know
[0:17] <toad_> this is nice :)
[0:17] <Lykos> nice for me ;-)
[0:21] <toad_> Lykos: your friends, is the problem that their computers aren't online even a few hours a day, or is the problem that they are concerned about the impact of freenet constantly running in the background, or that they don't use them at any fixed location with a sane firewall (i.e. home/some works) ?
[0:22] <Lykos> firewall is the problem sometimes, sometimes they just dont want to run it all the time for at least 3 hours a day.
[0:23] <toad_> you mean their firewall?
[0:23] <Lykos> but I would find at least 3... i will try to concern them
[0:23] <toad_> they installed it and it said they need to forward the port and they freak out?
[0:23] <Lykos> they dont like changing stettings in the router
[0:23] <Lykos> (one)
[0:24] <toad_> is the problem that their computer doesn't run very often, or is it that they don't want freenet to run in the background?
[0:24] <Lykos> and the other one has a limited bandwith
[0:24] <toad_> Lykos: yeah, it should automatically forward the ports, but unfortunately that doesn't always work; but until recently we warned the user when we didn't need to
[0:24] <Lykos> peter the third doesnt run his pc very often
[0:24] <toad_> limited bandwidth or limited transfers?
[0:24] <toad_> dial up or monthly quota in other words?
[0:25] <Lykos> Ah limited transfer
[0:25] <toad_> :(
[0:25] <Lykos> 5GB
[0:25] <toad_> not much we can do on a 1G plan ... even a 5G plan is very iffy for any kind of p2p
[0:25] <toad_> certainly any kind of decentralised p2p
[0:25] <Lykos> he will get another contract
[0:25] <toad_> yay
[0:26] <Lykos> and i will concern him
[0:26] <Lykos> peter will get an own pc
[0:26] <toad_> and the third one runs their computer once a week to read their email
[0:26] <toad_> ah he shares one, i see
[0:26] <Lykos> and sebastian... perhaps i can just forward his ports without his parents noticing anything
[0:27] <toad_> :)
[0:27] <toad_> be careful, they're probably on a limited transfer deal too
[0:29] <toad_> is limited transfer usually limited downloads or limited total traffic including uploads?
[0:29] <Lykos> no they aren't
[0:29] <toad_> cool
[0:29] <toad_> and he has his own computer?
[0:30] <Lykos> jes
[0:30] <Lykos> but hes a little windooof noob
[0:30] <Lykos> Ok but now i am confused...
[0:30] <toad_> some parents have an unfortunate tendancy to click on clearly labelled links to horrible things, and then to blame you for what comes up
[0:30] <toad_> :|
[0:30] <toad_> when you show them freenet
[0:30] <toad_> we've lost a few folk that way
[0:31] <Lykos> i think i have forwarded any Port and turned off my firewall and he still gives me the error message
[0:31] <toad_> which port did you forward? the UDP port mentioned on the friends page?
[0:32] <Lykos> LAN to WAN my IP to Any IP forward Any UDP and ANY TCP
[0:33] <toad_> hmmm so you DMZed your computer
[0:33] <toad_> and it still shows the warning... ugh, bad
[0:33] <toad_> i thought we had removed the warning unless we are sure it's not forwarded?
[0:33] <toad_> can you mail support at freenetproject.org please?
[0:34] <Lykos> how can ic proove the ports are really forwarded?
[0:34] <toad_> hmmm, easily, i dunno
[0:34] <toad_> with netcat if you have a remote site to connect to it
[0:35] <toad_> nc -l -p port -u
[0:35] <toad_> or something
[0:35] <toad_> and then connect to it by not using the -l
[0:35] <toad_> but you need to do that from a remote site
[0:35] <toad_> or get somebody here to do it
[0:35] <toad_> anyway, pls could you post to support? we shouldn't be showing the port forward message unless we're *sure* you're not forwarded now
[0:35] <Lykos> I dont have a remote server or something
[0:36] <toad_> get somebody here to connect to it then
[0:36] <Lykos> but perhaps its right what it says and i did something wrong, so i want to proofe it
[0:36] <toad_> but i gtg
[0:36] <Lykos> U connetct me!
[0:37] <Lykos> 84.56.173.128
[0:37] <toad_> on what port? udp or tcp?
[0:37] <Lykos> dont matter
[0:37] <toad_> yes it does something has to be listening
[0:37] <toad_> install netcat, and then do:
[0:38] <toad_> nc -p 7891 -u -l
[0:38] <toad_> and then tell me
[0:38] <toad_> it should show whatever i send
[0:38] <toad_> ready?
[0:38] <Lykos> yes
[0:38] <toad_> running?
[0:38] <Lykos> yes
[0:39] <toad_> did you get anything?
[0:39] <Lykos> no
[0:39] <toad_> :|
[0:39] <Lykos> but my network is active
[0:40] <toad_> i dunno then
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[0:40] <toad_> if you have the UPnP plugin loaded, freenet should have managed to automatically forward the ports
[0:40] <Lykos> i try to configure again
[0:40] <toad_> if you're behind two routers you're screwed in any case
[0:41] <Lykos> IM NOT behind 2 Routers
[0:41] <toad_> bbiab
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[0:44] <Lykos> Ok i turned off the firewall of my router, could we try again?
[0:45] <Lykos> Partner-Statistiken
[0:45] <Lykos> VERBUNDEN: 11
[0:45] <Lykos> BESCHÄFTIGT: 2
[0:45] <Lykos> NICHT VERBUNDEN: 1
[0:45] <Lykos> NOCH NIE VERBUNDEN: 6
[0:45] <Lykos> scheint so, als ob ich mich verbinden könnte
[0:46] <toad_> sent "hello" in a udp packet
[0:46] <toad_> to port 7891 on your ip
[0:46] <Lykos> didnt get it
[0:47] <toad_> well we may be doing it wrong
[0:47] <toad_> if you go to the Connectivity page, what does it say?
[0:47] <toad_> the top two lines
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[0:48] <Lykos> Ausstehende Warnungen
[0:48] <Lykos> Warnungen: 1 | Unwichtig: 3 | Gesamt: 4| Schauen Sie sie sich auf der Warnungs-Seite an.
[0:48] <toad_> no, the box called Connectivity
[0:48] <toad_> or whatever that translates to in german
[0:48] <toad_> there will be two ports, each will say either unknown or maybe port forwarded or something like that
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[0:49] <Lykos> UDP Darknet port 35773 Status unknown
[0:49] <Lykos> UDP Opennet port 24422 Maybe port forwarded
[0:49] <toad_> you're probably okay then
[0:49] <Lykos> OK how do I tell freenet UPnP is enabled and it shell use it?
[0:49] <Lykos> just restart it?
[0:49] <toad_> leave it alone
[0:49] <toad_> you're probably fine
[0:50] <toad_> hmmm i thought we had fixed that ... you have a warning on the homepage saying you may not be port forwarded and please forward the ports, right?
[0:50] <Lykos> jes
[0:51] <toad_> okay, we need to escalate the priority of dealing with that
[0:51] <toad_> it's clearly a major usability issue
[0:51] <toad_> good night
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[0:51] <Lykos> OK restart did help the message vanished good n8
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[1:02] <Lykos> How do I spend Space to the Freenet world
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[5:22] <stryke> Setting up remote access to fproxy is kicking my ass.
[5:24] <stryke> But most people are probably sleeping
[5:24] <stryke> So I'll try tomorrow.
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[6:44] <sdiz> does the perl git module work for 0.7 ?
[6:44] <sdiz> oops. not git, but freenet
[6:44] <sdiz> does the perl freenet module work for 0.7 ?
[6:44] <sdiz> it was written in the 0.5 age
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[13:14] <arfonzo> hi all, what's the difference between starting out on opennet vs friends?
[13:14] <arfonzo> from the web and docs it seems that you can start on opennet and add friends afterwards for the darknet... or am i confused?
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[21:05] <Hiraghm> halp :(
[21:07] <toad_> you have a problem?
[21:10] <Hiraghm> yeah
[21:11] <Hiraghm> I registered my nick a long time ago... came back on freenet recently... I can't remember my password, and I'd be willing to bet I even used an email address I don't have anymore :(
[21:13] <toad_> #freenode not #freenet
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[21:17] <Hiraghm|PS> I guessI'm going to have to give up using my regular name :(
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[21:28] <toad_> this is #freenet
[21:28] <toad_> it's a channel about Freenet
[21:28] <toad_> a distributed anonymous datastore
[21:28] <toad_> aka a way to publish and browse web-like sites and chat without being easily identified
[21:28] <toad_> you probably want #freenode
[21:29] <Hiraghm|PS> ack
[21:29] <toad_> this is us: http://freenetproject.org/
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[21:29] <toad_> cya
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