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[2:45] <TheSeeker> hmm. looks like the mirroring script broke... 22013 is latest on google svn
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[12:26] <Cooo> ClientGetter onFailure callback: 106 (51,0%) Hmmm. That one does not sound too good.
[12:27] <nextgens> where do you see that?
[12:27] <nextgens> using trunk or a branch?
[12:27] <nextgens> can you get a thread dump?
[12:27] <Cooo> It's from the stats page.
[12:28] <Cooo> using r22028
[12:28] <nextgens> get a thread dump :)
[12:28] <Cooo> Thread dump is on it's way.
[12:32] <Cooo> Hmmm. node is kinda slow. Still no thread dump.
[12:34] <Cooo> Ahh. there it is. Now too find a place where I can paste it.
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[12:37] <Cooo> http://nopaste.com/p/abDLwxCo2
[12:44] <Cooo> ERROR): Caught java.net.SocketException: Broken pipe http://dark-code.bulix.org/d6i1bn-68114?raw
[12:45] <nextgens> Cooo> I don't see any onFailure in that trace
[12:45] <nextgens> hrmm
[12:45] <nextgens> nevermind
[12:45] <nextgens> my bad
[12:47] <nextgens> Cooo> apparently it's suck deleting a file
[12:47] <Cooo> ahhh.
[12:47] <nextgens> not much we can do
[12:47] <nextgens> "Heavy client jobs runner (1)(2845)"
[12:47] <nextgens> that's the one which has the lock
[12:48] <nextgens> and all the other threads are waiting for it
[12:48] <toad_> is it deleting a file inside a lock or something?
[12:48] <Cooo> ahhh. ok.
[12:48] <nextgens> yes it's deleting the FileBucket while holding the lock
[12:48] <toad_> which lock?
[12:48] <nextgens> on ArchiveManager
[12:48] <toad_> ah
[12:48] <toad_> hmmm
[12:48] <toad_> i don't know if that's easily avoidable
[12:48] <nextgens> nothing abnormal imho
[12:48] <toad_> well why does it take ages to delete the file?
[12:49] <nextgens> dunno, it's at "INFO | jvm 2 | 2008/08/21 14:32:34 | at java.io.UnixFileSystem.delete0(Native Method)"
[12:49] <toad_> ok, i gtg, bbiab
[12:52] * nextgens gets the chain saw
[12:52] <nextgens> let's attempt to fix svnsync the hard way
[12:53] * nextgens takes apache down
[12:55] <nextgens> okay
[12:55] <nextgens> let's retry now
[13:00] <toad_> what are you doing?
[13:00] <nextgens> okay it's a problem on emu's end
[13:00] <toad_> btw if you could try the db4o branch on a low end system and verify that it still blows up, that would be useful
[13:00] <nextgens> or with out repository
[13:01] <nextgens> *our
[13:01] <toad_> when you get around to it of course
[13:01] <toad_> nextgens: :|
[13:02] * toad_ hmmm, i suppose i could try it on my laptop ...
[13:02] <nextgens> http://code.bulix.org/1pxvz4-68115?raw
[13:03] <nextgens> what do you want? profiling data?
[13:04] <toad_> nextgens: just a verification that there is still a problem at this stage
[13:04] <toad_> with the bloom filters there should be vastly less object churn and disk access
[13:05] <toad_> static memory usage might be up or down depending on various things - there are the bloom filters, but the datastore checker no longer caches every key ...
[13:05] <toad_> if it still lasts an hour with high cpu usage and then explodes with an OOM, that's an interesting data point
[13:06] <toad_> it means there's something vital i've missed :|
[13:06] <Cooo> Seems like my problem fixed itself :)
[13:06] <toad_> :)
[13:07] <toad_> Cooo: testing of the db4o branch would be interesting once again, it should be dramatically improved performance; at the moment i'm looking into an OOM on an idle node, but fetches should work ... i dunno about inserts...
[13:07] <toad_> bbiab anyway
[13:07] <nextgens> i'll try it once again
[13:07] <toad_> especially testing on low end systems
[13:07] <toad_> nextgens: thanks
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[13:37] <Cooo> toad_: Ok. I will set up a testing node again. Mabye not today but sometime during the weekend.
[13:37] <toad_> rehi
[13:37] <Cooo> rehi
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[14:10] <nextgens> toad_> index creation is taking a lot of time here
[14:11] <toad_> index creation?
[14:11] <nextgens> [db4o 7.2.54.11278 2008-08-21 16:10:18] creating index freenet.client.async.DatastoreCheckerItem.prio
[14:11] <toad_> hmmm did you restart the node?
[14:12] <nextgens> not yet
[14:12] <toad_> it doesn't give you an ack when it's finished making an index
[14:12] <nextgens> ah maybe I need to trash the old database?
[14:12] <toad_> so how do you know it's taking a long time?
[14:12] <toad_> oh
[14:12] <toad_> yeah, the bloom filter changes are *big*
[14:12] <toad_> and incompatible
[14:12] <nextgens> ok
[14:12] <toad_> don't keep your old data
[14:13] <nextgens> now it's stuck on creating index freenet.client.FECJob.queue
[14:13] <toad_> again, what do you mean stuck? it's still starting up?
[14:13] <toad_> what was the last line other than index creation?
[14:14] <nextgens> it's still starting up
[14:14] <nextgens> there isn't anything else displayed on stdout
[14:14] <nextgens> and the hd led keeps on blinking
[14:14] <toad_> pastebin the wrapper.log
[14:14] <toad_> creating an index on an empty database should take no time at all
[14:15] <nextgens> hmm, there is no wrapper.log as I do it from netbeans
[14:15] <nextgens> there is no timestamp but I can paste the output
[14:15] <toad_> well then pastebin the output
[14:15] <nextgens> okay it has just finished
[14:15] <nextgens> http://code.bulix.org/40ylyx-68117
[14:16] <toad_> Node initialization completed.
[14:16] <nextgens> maybe the long task was removing pending keys
[14:16] <toad_> it completed *before* it created the FECJob indexes
[14:16] <toad_> it should be usable once it says Node initialization completed.
[14:18] <nextgens> okay it's way faster than it was
[14:18] <toad_> :)
[14:18] <toad_> in what way?
[14:18] * nextgens tries to get it bootstrapped now that it has passed the idling test
[14:18] <nextgens> well usually it was taking up to 60% of cpu time even without any connected node
[14:19] <nextgens> shall I attempt to profile it?
[14:20] <toad_> if you like, i'd be interested in your results
[14:20] <toad_> bear in mind that uploads haven't been tested yet
[14:20] <nextgens> what shall I be looking for?
[14:20] <toad_> downloads, including persistent downloads, should work reasonably well and reasonably low impact
[14:20] <nextgens> cpu usage, sync problems or memory usage?
[14:20] <toad_> well, my assumption has been that garbage collection is the biggest source of CPU usage
[14:20] <nextgens> or your unconfirmed memleak?
[14:21] <toad_> mostly that's been the case for me, but it's possible that it's not the case any more
[14:21] <toad_> if there is a memory leak then we really need to nail ti
[14:21] <toad_> it
[14:21] <toad_> if memory is well behaved and not doing a lot of GC then cpu would be interesting
[14:21] <toad_> otherwise memory
[14:21] <toad_> mostly this whole project has been about memory
[14:22] <toad_> when i've had cpu issues it's usually been because of excessive object churn -> excessive GC
[14:25] <toad_> or high static usage causing excessive GC
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[14:29] <toad_> nextgens: what are we going to do about 21838? it's clearly not machine readable without a diff, but it's likely that a script would interpret it as being valid ?
[14:30] <toad_> isn't the solution to forge a well-formatted message manually?
[14:31] <nextgens> in terms of GC the hot spot is the low-level layer
[14:31] <nextgens> FNPPacketMangler
[14:31] <toad_> okay
[14:31] <toad_> this is with an idle node?
[14:32] <toad_> or with queued persistent requests?
[14:32] <nextgens> ah and ArchiveManager.extractToCache
[14:32] <nextgens> with the spider running
[14:32] <toad_> ok
[14:32] <toad_> well that figures
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[14:32] <toad_> so it's no better or worse than trunk for the spider
[14:33] <toad_> as expected
[14:33] <toad_> although there are actually a few more objects ... and a few less objects ...
[14:35] <nextgens> my computer is too low-end to be able to do some real profiling
[14:35] <nextgens> when I enable the few options I would need its cpu usage goes crazy
[14:35] <nextgens> and that messes the node up which starts rejecting requests
[14:35] <toad_> i can profile here ... i'm mainly interested in whether it actually works on a low end system
[14:36] <toad_> java.lang.NullPointerException
[14:36] <toad_> at freenet.client.async.ClientRequestScheduler.moveKeysFromCooldownQueue(ClientRequestScheduler.java:874)
[14:36] <toad_> 873: if(transientReqs != null) {
[14:36] <toad_> 874: for(int i=0;i<transientReqs.length;i++)
[14:36] <toad_> duhhhh ?
[14:36] <toad_> how can 874 possibly NPE?!
[14:36] <nextgens> synchronization?
[14:36] <toad_> it's a local variable
[14:37] <nextgens> well that doesn't change the problem
[14:37] <nextgens> it's an array
[14:37] <toad_> hmm?
[14:37] <toad_> sure, but we're accessing its length
[14:37] <toad_> not an element within it that might conceivably be set to null
[14:37] <nextgens> ah yes I thought it was on next line
[14:38] <toad_> so you agree it isn't possible, and i need to ant clean or something??
[14:38] <nextgens> yes it can be a bytecode caching problem
[14:39] <toad_> 1 2.08% 2.08% 1519320 12661 1929840 16082 374017 freenet.node.FailureTableEntry
[14:39] <toad_> 1.5MB just for FailureTableEntry's !
[14:39] <toad_> how big are their associated arrays, keys, byte arrays for keys ...
[14:39] <toad_> well FTEs are quite large admittedly ... 120 bytes each ...
[14:40] <nextgens> you should focus on one single problem at a time
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[14:40] <nextgens> either cpu or memory
[14:40] <nextgens> but not both
[14:41] * toad_ ponders whether to turn off profiling or attempt to profile a node with downloads queued
[14:41] <nextgens> you might want to merge the peermanager-synchronization-reduction patch
[14:41] <nextgens> your requests seems to be stuck on the writePeers() method
[14:42] <toad_> hmmm
[14:42] <nextgens> in fact I suggest you merge up to 1158 :)
[14:42] <toad_> you are convinced that merging to 1158 will not create any additional problems?
[14:42] <nextgens> yes
[14:42] <toad_> ok
[14:43] * toad_ will have idle node with memory profiling, and continue to chew through cvs@
[14:43] <nextgens> maybe buckets related ones but that's being worked on
[14:43] <toad_> well will 1158's array temp files code cause OOMs?
[14:43] <nextgens> no
[14:44] <toad_> or will it just not work very wel?
[14:44] <toad_> ok
[14:46] <toad_> i suggest you queue a load of requests
[14:46] <toad_> maybe the ISOs from my freesite
[14:46] <toad_> (bottom of the resources page)
[14:46] <toad_> bbiab
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[15:34] <toad_> hi sdiz
[15:35] <toad_> you seen my bloom filters on the database branch?
[15:36] <toad_> err my use of your bloom filters
[15:44] <sdiz> yes
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[15:45] <sdiz> i havn't look into it .. just a quick look.. do you really need that many filters?
[15:45] <sdiz> the array of filters, i meant.
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[15:47] <toad_> ah
[15:48] <toad_> well do you have a better idea for how to figure out which segment a key belongs to once we have a hit on the splitfile?
[15:48] <sdiz> that's what a database do, no? ..... checking that many filter one-by-one is O(n) ... any reasonable database can do that on O(log N) using trees.
[15:49] <toad_> admittedly we probably should avoid it if we only have one segment...
[15:49] <toad_> sdiz: sure, with a humongous multiplier, and O(Much Bigger N) with a similar huge multiplier time to create them in the first place
[15:50] <toad_> creating PendingKeyItem's was taking a looooooooong time
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[16:29] <toad_> rehi
[16:29] <toad_> hi batosai
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[17:14] <saces> hi.
[17:15] <saces> is a python programmer around?
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[18:35] <kork> http://pastebin.com/m4f70ffbb
[18:35] <kork> hrm, what is this?
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[19:04] <batosai> hi toad_
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[21:29] <toad_> hi
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[21:35] <Luke771> hi toad_
[21:36] <toad_> hi Luke771
[21:36] <Luke771> gotta ask something for the translation
[21:36] <toad_> have you tried the new db4o code yet? with bloom filters it's a lot faster...
[21:36] <Luke771> what are 'buckets' when referefd to computers/freenet?
[21:37] <toad_> ah
[21:37] <toad_> where do we refer to them? really they're an internal thing
[21:37] <Luke771> hmm the test node has been down for a week or so, it wouldnt work and I couldn't be around...
[21:37] <Luke771> we'll see that later,ù
[21:37] <toad_> basically a bucket is a temporary file, but there are a lot of different implementations e.g. sometimes they are kept in RAM
[21:38] <toad_> it's a container for a blob of data
[21:38] <Luke771> soe new strings refer to 'buckets' and I surely canì't tranlste that with the correseponding Italian word... I guess I should ask soe Italian geek but I don't know any
[21:39] <toad_> what strings?
[21:39] <toad_> oh, the max bucket size, max bucket pool etc?
[21:39] <Luke771> i guess I could leave it in English, that's how it's done for ost coputer terms
[21:39] <Luke771> yes stuff like that
[21:39] <Luke771> whether to encrypt the bucket etc
[21:39] <toad_> hmmm
[21:40] <toad_> well, a bucket is something you can put a blob of data into ...
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[21:40] <Luke771> i wonder what happened to my m's
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[21:40] <toad_> it's a temporary container used by freenet... some of them last across restarts though
[21:41] <toad_> the purely temporary ones can either be on disk or in RAM
[21:41] <Luke771> ok, a container
[21:41] <toad_> something like that
[21:42] <toad_> just be careful not to confuse people even more by clashing with other jargon - "container" means a lot of things to a lot of ppl within computer science
[21:42] <Luke771> I guess if I used 'temporary container' with the word 'conainer' in English and 'tmporary' in Italain, they would understand what it's about
[21:42] <Luke771> hmmm
[21:42] <Luke771> ok then
[21:43] <toad_> it's a place to put the contents of a block or a file etc
[21:43] <Luke771> I guess I'll leave 'buckets' in English
[21:45] <Luke771> could you implement notes? or would that be too much work? I' thinking about the ability of aking soe terms clickable and refer to notesin a special page that a translator should be able to edit, kinda like a wiki, so we could add translator's notes without inflating the size of the translated strings
[21:45] <Luke771> 'making some' ters clickable etc
[21:45] <toad_> hmmm
[21:46] <toad_> i dunno
[21:46] <toad_> it might be useful for users too...
[21:46] <toad_> otoh we do have a wiki :)
[21:47] <Luke771> something weird happened to my keyboard: it works as usual but when I launch xchat it loses the ability of typing the m on all progras including terminals, restarting fixres it but then the m goes away again when i start xchat and sometimes other apps (I'm using a copypasted m but it's' kind of a PITA)
[21:47] <Luke771> yes we have a wiki but I can't refer to the wiki because that's a security risk
[21:48] <toad_> indeed... i dunno
[21:48] <toad_> maybe we should have a glossary page somewhere?
[21:48] <Luke771> we'd need a freeenet mirror of the wiki, and someone who keeps it up to date
[21:48] <toad_> well there's already an unofficial mirror of the wiki
[21:48] <Luke771> yeah, a glossary page would do
[21:49] <Luke771> that would mean a lot of new strings, other translators will hate me
[21:49] <toad_> yeah...
[21:49] <toad_> well
[21:49] <toad_> lets look at the specific strings
[21:49] <toad_> one is whether to encrypt on-disk temporary files
[21:50] <toad_> that's straightforward imho
[21:50] <Luke771> but that doesn't need to be completed right away, some new terms could be added every now and then
[21:50] <toad_> one is the amount of temporary files to be kept in RAM
[21:50] <toad_> one is the maximum size of a temporary file to be kept in RAM
[21:50] <Luke771> yes they're not difficult to stranlate
[21:50] <toad_> yeah just use "files"
[21:50] <Luke771> translate
[21:51] <toad_> obviously they're not strictly files if they're in RAM, but so what?
[21:51] <toad_> we should consider changing the english accordingly
[21:51] <Luke771> I could use 'buckets of files'
[21:51] <Luke771> leaving 'buckets' in english
[21:51] <toad_> nah that implies a bucket contains more than one file
[21:51] <Luke771> so even those who don't understand what buckets are, would know that it's about files
[21:51] <Luke771> hm
[21:52] <toad_> buckets (temporary files) ?
[21:52] <Luke771> buckets of data then
[21:52] <toad_> yeah buckets of data would work
[21:52] <Luke771> buckets of temporary data
[21:52] <toad_> but for the encryption one you just want to talk about encrypting temporary files
[21:52] <toad_> because that's what it's really about
[21:53] <Luke771> ok so 'buckets of temporary data' would do fine
[21:53] <toad_> "How much RAM should be allocated for storing buckets of temporary data which would otherwise be stored on disk?"
[21:54] <Luke771> k
[21:54] <toad_> "How big can a bucket of temporary data be and still be stored in RAM?"
[21:54] <Luke771> sounds comprehensible to me
[21:54] <toad_> given that it's a paranoid/geeky setting anyway ...
[21:55] <Luke771> there's already a 'leave this alone' warning iirc
[21:57] <Luke771> yeah, there is 'leave this alone if you don't know what you're doing'
[21:57] <toad_> keep that :)
[21:57] <Luke771> I never take stuff away
[21:57] <toad_> but it would be good if it was comprehensible to italian geeks
[21:57] <Luke771> rather add soe
[21:57] <Luke771> some
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[21:57] <toad_> hmmm
[21:58] <Luke771> Italian geeks do speak english
[21:58] * toad_ has a suspicion that there is a slow memory leak ... this morning my node OOMed despite having nothing queued... granted I've made some changes since then ...
[21:58] <Luke771> ost text book for collegegrade cmputer stuff are only available in english
[21:58] <Bombe> Hey, Luke.
[21:58] <Luke771> hey
[21:58] <toad_> :) then don't translate it at all, it's an advanced setting, leave it for the anglophone technorati! ;)
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[21:59] <Luke771> that was the idea behing leaving the word 'buvckets' in english
[21:59] <Luke771> behind
[21:59] <toad_> well, do what you think is best
[21:59] <Luke771> 'buckets of teporary data' is best iho
[21:59] <Luke771> imho
[21:59] <Luke771> darn m's
[22:00] <toad_> using the italian buckets or the english buckets?
[22:00] <Luke771> leaving the wortd 'buckets' in english
[22:00] * toad_ assumes "buckets" in italian doesn't mean something problematic :)
[22:00] <Luke771> no but bucket in italian akes people thinck about fish, not computers
[22:01] <Luke771> as i was saying, most computer terms that use common words in a new meaning are left in english
[22:02] <toad_> ok
[22:02] <Bombe> Freenet 0.7 - Seal edition! \o/
[22:02] <Bombe> (Now with more buckets.)
[22:02] <toad_> 0.8
[22:03] <Luke771> so I guess I should leave 'buckets' in english in order to avoid confusion with the kind of buckets that some walrus may bee looking for, but adding 'of temporary data' (in Italian) so peole who don't know what that is would get an idea
[22:03] <toad_> well we haven't decided what 0.8's nickname will be yet :)
[22:03] <toad_> 0.7 was "darknet"
[22:03] <Luke771> 'Freenet 0.8 Sneaky Seal'
[22:03] <Bombe> Luke, I would simply translate it as “file”. Whether it’s in RAM or on disk is pretty much irrelevant.
[22:04] <Luke771> that would be a nice play on the word seal as in 'navy seals'
[22:04] <toad_> :)
[22:04] <toad_> Freenet 0.8 Slightly Faster Edition
[22:04] <Bombe> ;)
[22:04] <Luke771> i already decided to translate it to 'bucket of of temporary data' (leaving bucket in english)
[22:05] <Luke771> 'hopefully kind of faster'
[22:06] <toad_> Freenet 0.8 Ten Years And It Still Doesn't Work Edition
[22:06] <Luke771> LOL
[22:06] <Bombe> Freenet 0.8 - Full Bucketspeed ahead!
[22:06] <Luke771> Ten Years of Failure Edition
[22:07] <Luke771> ok then
[22:07] <toad_> assuming it's released next year
[22:07] <Luke771> the new strings will be posted #devl around the end of the onth
[22:07] <Luke771> m
[22:07] <toad_> cool
[22:07] <Luke771> (that's in ne week or so)
[22:08] <Luke771> gotta go to sleep now, I have work to do tmorrow
[22:08] <Luke771> cya all
[22:08] <toad_> cya thanks
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[22:22] <toad_> hey
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