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[17:24] <nordlys> Is the process of getting seednodes a potential security risc? What if an attacker modifies the list of nodes, only offering the ones he wants to be used by the victim?
[17:28] <Tommy[D]> How do you get the list of seednodes?
[17:35] <nordlys> AFAIU, a list of seednodes is downloaded when starting the freenet app.
[17:36] <Tommy[D]> no
[17:37] <Tommy[D]> while installing freenet there is a file called "seednodes.fref" downloaded, this file contains the seednodes
[17:38] <Tommy[D]> this file is not changed by freenet itself, not on startup, not while freenet is running and not on shutdown, so if the attacker cannot change the file on installation, he cannot modify it any more
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[17:41] <nordlys> Ah, I see. But what if an attacker modifies "http://downloads.freenetproject.org/seednodes/seednodes.ref", in a way it only contains "controlled" sites?
[17:42] <Tommy[D]> nordlys: How should he do that?
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[17:43] <toad_> nordlys: yes it's a possible vulnerability if your ISP is evil at time of install and you have no trust path to freenetproject.org's CA
[17:44] <toad_> however we use a free but well known CA for SSL, so it should be okay unless they are compromised
[17:44] <toad_> assuming you have a copy of it ... which your browser may not ... etc etc
[17:44] <toad_> so yes, it's a possible attack vector
[17:45] <nordlys> OK, thanks!
[17:47] <toad_> of course if your ISP is that evil they will just substitute freenet itself for a trojan that looks like freenet :)
[17:48] <toad_> security is hard :|
[17:50] <nordlys> It is ... it seems easy just to intercept the installation of the few files that have to be downloaded to install freenet/tor/i2p ...
[17:50] <nordlys> oops
[17:50] <nordlys> It is ... it seems easy just to intercept the installation-files of the few files that have to be downloaded to install freenet/tor/i2p ...
[17:51] <nordlys> sed "s/good/evil/g"
[17:53] <Tommy[D]> that depends on your way of getting the files :)
[17:54] <nordlys> (and that could also happen at the server side, so every single file could be replaced)
[17:55] <Tommy[D]> e.g. if you use linux, most distros will check the downloaded files
[17:55] <nordlys> In which way do they check?
[17:55] <Tommy[D]> nordlys: Who is able to change the files on server side?
[17:56] <nordlys> Hmm. To my view the ISP that connects the server would be able to.
[17:57] <Tommy[D]> portage on gentoo does some checksum checks on the downloaded files
[17:57] <Tommy[D]> nordlys: How? Imho only the hoster or other persons with physical access, because the devs can use secure connections for changing/uploading files
[17:58] <nordlys> Oh, somebody at the door - Pardon me, have to go. Thank you very much for your patience. Bye!
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[18:08] <saces> batosai: its maybe a good time to update node&wot ;)
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[18:12] <nextgens> toad_> the current security model is:
[18:12] <FreenetLogBot> r22057 (KeyExplorer) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[18:12] <nextgens> the user gets the installer from emu and checks the gpg signature
[18:12] <nextgens> it's signed by a key which is hosted on emu and signed by me and you
[18:13] <nextgens> both of our sigs are verifiable... mine has been signed by most of de default debian keyring at some point
[18:13] <nextgens> then the installer has the ssl-cert builtin
[18:13] <nextgens> and all the downloads are integrity-checked against the trusted source contacted over a trusted channel
[18:13] <nextgens> there is no room for anything here provided the user does check the signature of the installer
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[18:18] <batosai> saces: not ready yet, I have to do further testings...
[18:18] <nextgens> batosai> l'encoding de tes mails broie
[18:19] <batosai> uh?
[18:24] <nextgens> ca mange tous les accents
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[18:24] <nextgens> je pense que t'as pas le meme encoding dans les messages et dans le container pgp
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[18:26] <saces> batosai: the plugin is now follow node themes, its already fixed in your plugin. thats why update ;)
[18:27] <nextgens> saces> they are still some things I'm not happy about with the theme thingy; Will comment using google's code-review thingy
[18:27] <nextgens> whaa, twice thingy in the same sentence
[18:28] <nextgens> or not... as the svn-sync script is broken
[18:29] <Bombe> More thingy! \o/
[18:34] <nextgens> does anyone have an up&p aware device which isn't detected by the current up&p plugin?
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[22:27] <FreenetLogBot> The monitoring script has detected a network glitch on http://mirror2.freenetproject.org/ : it has been disabled
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[22:59] <FreenetLogBot> The monitoring script has detected that http://mirror2.freenetproject.org/ is eligible to be back on the main mirror rotation list. Welcome Back!
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