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[4:04] <HellMind> How can I use frost on a remote node, if i got Dyn Ip ?
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[4:59] <HellMind> How can I use frost on a remote node, if i got Dyn Ip ?
[4:59] <HellMind> why it doesnt got an user and pass -_-
[5:00] <HellMind> or another kind of auth
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[10:13] <nextgens> hi
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[10:20] <flawy> hi, does Freenet run on any non-sun-jres?
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[10:37] <anon> can i get some links plse
[10:39] <anon> ?
[10:42] <anon> ????
[10:45] <pmpp> hi anon , if you are searching for noderefs juste enable "insecure mode"
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[10:46] <haha> anylinks ?
[10:46] <pmpp> if you are searching for noderefs juste enable "insecure mode"
[10:46] <haha> how do i do that ?
[10:47] <haha> just the tab ?
[10:47] <pmpp> configuration section
[10:47] <pmpp> and read the docs to help you a bit
[10:48] <haha> thanks
[10:48] <haha> i did and only 2 nods conneted
[10:48] <pmpp> take times
[10:49] <haha> k fan
[10:49] <haha> x
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[12:18] <FreenetLogBot> r21754 (1155) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[12:45] <FreenetLogBot> r21755 (1155) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[12:51] <FreenetLogBot> r21756 (1155) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[13:06] <FreenetLogBot> r21757 (1155) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
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[13:25] * Topic is 'http://freenetproject.org/download.html (1153 mandatory), please read before asking for help here. #freenet-refs is no more, turn on insecure mode if you don't have any friends using Freenet | http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | logs: http://emu.freenetproject.org/irc/ | Tor blocked due to spam (get an op to voice you) | #freenet-fr #freenet-se #freenet-es #freenet-it #freenet-de | paste at http://code.bulix.org'
[13:25] * Set by nextgens on Mon Jul 21 09:19:28 UTC 2008
[13:25] -ChanServ- [#freenet] Welcome to the official Freenet support channel! Read the channel topic for more information!
[13:25] <nextgens> broken how?
[13:25] <toad_> not up to date?
[13:25] <nextgens> the logbot is dead...
[13:25] <nextgens> well, now it should be
[13:25] <toad_> that would explain it
[13:26] <toad_> ok it works now cool
[13:32] <nextgens> r21758 needs testing
[13:33] <nextgens> ahhhh
[13:33] <FreenetLogBot> r21758 (1155) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[13:33] <nextgens> now I recall
[13:34] <nextgens> toad_> the purpose of encrypting them was to prevent 3rd party apps from messing with the data
[13:34] <toad_> nextgens: that's one possible reason yes
[13:34] <nextgens> maybe we should xor it with something
[13:34] <toad_> imho it's not a high priority reason
[13:35] <toad_> deliberate obfuscation is rarely a good strategy
[13:42] <toad_> nextgens: are you going to test disabled bucket encryption in the simulator?
[13:42] <nextgens> yes
[13:42] <FreenetLogBot> r21759 (1155) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[13:42] <nextgens> well, that's the plan at least
[13:43] <nextgens> why, isn't it a good idea?
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[14:04] <toad_> nextgens: it's a good diea
[14:04] <toad_> idea
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[15:10] <saces> a quiz to win 1 billion duke dollars: find the error(s) in the manifest: USK%40rE-gMT4QhlQGsHgtUJmH3qoBJnHF~4J42twLwzgo-Ck,q6lh3~jhgTmUkU-maKByYEfbHhByLAohvhdMaIDQofY,AQACAAE/STP-test/10/
[15:25] <nextgens> toad_> do we have a support class to convert ints to SI units?
[15:25] <nextgens> I've found the reverse operation in Fields
[15:26] <nextgens> ideally a method taking an two ints: the value and the number of units we want
[15:26] <toad_> nextgens: hmmm
[15:27] <toad_> i'm not sure
[15:27] <toad_> well we have SizeUtil, does that count?
[15:27] <toad_> anyway i just implemented what you're thinking of
[15:27] <toad_> but not using SI units
[15:28] <nextgens> okay, that was it :)
[15:28] <nextgens> toad_> your code doesn't work as it was
[15:28] <FreenetLogBot> r21763 (1155) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[15:29] <Luke771> nextgens: did you get me that translator cloak? If yes, I guess I'd need to un-link Luke771 from _ph00 (or you could cloak _ph00 too)
[15:29] <nextgens> here it reports 128xxx
[15:29] <nextgens> and if I put a value above 5K it makes my connection freeze
[15:29] <toad_> nextgens: so what's the problem?
[15:29] <toad_> ah
[15:29] <toad_> hmmm
[15:29] <nextgens> 16384 where did you dig that from?
[15:30] <toad_> well 128XX is 16KB/sec ... we ought to be able to do 8K/sec on a 16K/sec limit, surely???
[15:30] <nextgens> imho the formula is (bits / 8 / 2) - 1
[15:30] <nextgens> don't round up
[15:31] <nextgens> Luke771> I'll ask for a cloack as soon as I've got more to request
[15:31] <nextgens> Luke771> dunno, you'll arrange that with a staffer
[15:31] <toad_> well if you have a better idea for banding then implement it ... certainly above a reasonable limit we should do half
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[15:31] <toad_> users can reduce it further if they need to
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[15:32] <Luke771> nextgens: ok, if you haven't asked for my cloak yet, when you do it just ask to cloak _ph00 so Luke771 will be cloaked too (and thanks)
[15:32] <nextgens> Luke771> and which cloack do you want? freenet/translator/italian/Luke771 ?
[15:33] <Luke771> that's be fine
[15:33] <Luke771> d
[15:36] <toad_> hmmm, does @Override require that the parent method be non-abstract?
[15:40] <nextgens> what's the formula for outgoing bw limit?
[15:41] <toad_> hmmm?
[15:41] <nextgens> imho 4*input was fine
[15:41] <nextgens> what's the problem with it?
[15:41] <toad_> oh you mean the download limit?
[15:41] <toad_> why not just make it 50% of the detected value?
[15:41] <toad_> i mean, we're never going to use that on a typical asymmetric connection
[15:41] <toad_> so we can't go seriously wrong
[15:42] * toad_ tries out his new optimisation ...
[15:45] <nextgens> août 12, 2008 17:45:21:302 (freenet.clients.http.FirstTimeWizardToadlet, HTTP socket handler@29263633(16), NORMAL): The node has a bandwidthIndicator: it has reported upstream=141000bits/sec... we will use 8.60 KiB and skip the bandwidth selection step of the wizard.
[15:45] <nextgens> août 12, 2008 17:45:21:502 (freenet.clients.http.FirstTimeWizardToadlet, HTTP socket handler@29263633(16), NORMAL): The node has a bandwidthIndicator: it has reported downstream=1097000bits/sec... we will use 66.9 KiB and skip the bandwidth selection step of the wizard.
[15:45] <nextgens> imo it could be higher
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[15:56] <nextgens> doh
[15:56] <FreenetLogBot> r21765 (1155) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[15:56] <FreenetLogBot> r21766 (1155) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[15:57] <nextgens> it's using an IntCallback
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[15:59] <nextgens> oh great!
[15:59] <nextgens> toad_> the code has never worked!
[15:59] <toad_> which code?
[16:02] <nextgens> the code of the config. framework related to bandwidth limiting
[16:02] <nextgens> including the code we had in the wizard
[16:02] <nextgens> every new node is using the default value
[16:03] <toad_> eh?
[16:03] <toad_> that's not possible, i've seen mine using way over the default limit
[16:04] <nextgens> toad_> the wizard sets a string not an int
[16:04] <nextgens> meaning that it won't work
[16:05] <nextgens> the documentation of that part of the code is poor
[16:05] <nextgens> we are in bytes/sec, right?
[16:05] <toad_> no, setting a string is perfectly valid
[16:05] <toad_> it will be parsed
[16:06] <toad_> the config framework will use the value of the SI string, and it will then remember the original SI string so it looks good in the config
[16:06] <toad_> that was the intention
[16:06] <toad_> is there any evidence that it doesn't work?
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[16:10] <CrystalDragon> The node intermittently alerts me that it thinks I'm behind a firewall and to forward a port. I'm guessing that's normal behaviour when a node's running on a blisteringly fast 56k dialup modem.
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[16:10] <toad_> :)
[16:10] <toad_> quite possible
[16:13] <nextgens> toad_> http://code.bulix.org/vxy0lf-67999
[16:13] <toad_> nextgens: parse problem?
[16:13] <toad_> nextgens: because of setting 89.2KiB instead of 89.2K ??
[16:14] <nextgens> well, that's what SizeUtil.format() outputs!
[16:14] <toad_> (we can of course fix that)
[16:14] <toad_> so fix the SI parser to accept it
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[16:15] <nextgens> isn't it better to fix SizeUtil?
[16:15] <toad_> or do that yeah
[16:17] <nextgens> well, no; it's the parser's fault
[16:27] <nextgens> toad_> it's because the value has to be rounded
[16:27] <nextgens> 89.2*1024*8
[16:27] <nextgens> 730726.4
[16:27] <toad_> huh? so what?
[16:27] <nextgens> what do we want to do in that case?
[16:27] <nextgens> well, that's why it throws
[16:27] <toad_> ummm, we round it ... what's the big deal?
[16:28] <toad_> it's just like if somebody sets their store size to 8.2GB
[16:41] <nextgens> it's still not rounded up as it should
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[16:41] <nextgens> :@@
[16:42] <nextgens> toad_> help me
[16:42] <toad_> i have no idea what you are talking about. as far as i know if you cast a double to an int, you get an int, which is rounded down
[16:42] <toad_> and that's exactly what the SI conversion function does
[16:42] <toad_> it builds it as a double and then casts it to an int
[16:43] <nextgens> try it for yourself then
[16:43] <nextgens> it doesn't work
[16:43] <nextgens> and I've no idea why
[16:43] <toad_> bsh % double d = 4.2;
[16:43] <toad_> bsh % int x = d;
[16:43] <toad_> bsh % System.out.println(x);
[16:43] <toad_> 4
[16:43] <toad_> see, it works
[16:47] <toad_> nextgens: what exactly is the problem? have you isolated it to Fields.parseInt() ???
[16:48] <toad_> nextgens: can you show me a simple example?
[16:49] <nextgens> okay, got it
[16:50] <nextgens> the :@ parser doesn't understand iB
[16:50] <nextgens> what's the int value stored as?
[16:50] <nextgens> bytes or bits?
[16:51] <toad_> outputBandwidthLimit is bytes per second
[16:51] <toad_> i suggest you fix the parser to understand iB
[16:51] <toad_> iirc it already understands B
[16:51] <toad_> just not iB
[16:51] <nextgens> and why do we use iB in SizeUtil?
[16:51] <nextgens> does it make sense ?
[16:51] <toad_> because it's the SI standard
[16:51] <nextgens> even for non-coputer-science related metrics?
[16:52] <toad_> debatable :)
[16:52] <nextgens> we use java's Double.parseDouble function
[16:52] <nextgens> I'm not gonna fix the jvm :p
[16:53] <toad_> huh?
[16:53] <toad_> we strip SI units first
[16:53] <toad_> we also strip B
[16:53] <nextgens> ah, right
[16:53] <toad_> we can strip iB as easily
[16:53] <nextgens> we don't, where do we?
[16:53] <toad_> in Fields.parseSIInt
[16:53] <toad_> or Fields.parseInt
[16:53] <toad_> or whatever it's called
[16:54] * nextgens grabs a beer
[16:54] <nextgens> I still don't get how that works
[16:57] <nextgens> toad_> http://code.bulix.org/r6vgsj-68000
[16:57] <nextgens> toad_> that's the code
[16:58] <nextgens> I still don't get where/how it strips B
[16:58] <nextgens> imo it doesn't
[16:58] <toad_> hmmm doh
[16:58] <nextgens> or it doesn't handle b
[16:58] <toad_> maybe it doesn't
[16:58] <nextgens> in both cases it's borken
[16:58] <toad_> well check the caller
[16:58] <toad_> maybe we strip it further up?
[16:58] <toad_> not all quantities that might have SI units are bytes
[16:58] * nextgens nominates that part of the code for the obfuscation contest
[17:00] <toad_> check the caller
[17:00] <nextgens> well, no it doesn't handle it
[17:00] <nextgens> I don't get it
[17:01] <toad_> well then maybe we never implemented that ... at least for int's
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[17:01] <toad_> iirc we did implement it for long's
[17:01] <toad_> because you can set your store to 10GB
[17:01] <toad_> not just to 10G
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[17:02] <nextgens> hrrrrm
[17:03] * nextgens tries it
[17:03] <nextgens> Votre configuration a été appliquée, sauf les éléments suivants :
[17:03] <nextgens> storeSize La valeur entrée ne peut être utilisée comme un entier sur 64 bits : 256MB
[17:03] <nextgens> no we didn't
[17:03] <toad_> okay then i never implemented it
[17:03] <toad_> doh, sorry
[17:04] <nextgens> okay, so what to do? implement it or make SizeUtil output a format the rest of the node understands?
[17:04] <nextgens> I'm not keen on changing Fields
[17:04] <toad_> if you do the latter i suggest you introduce a flag to do it
[17:05] <nextgens> because those methods aren't under unit testing
[17:05] <nextgens> and I don't understand your awkward bit shifting
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[17:06] <toad_> well then make SizeUtil output a node-parsable format ... just drop the iB if a flag is passed in
[17:06] <nextgens> nor why you don't store those array as "public static final" in order to avoid re-computation
[17:06] <toad_> ah, well that is probably stupidity yeah
[17:11] <nextgens> what I've just commited works
[17:11] <nextgens> it's ugly but it works
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[17:24] <nextgens> toad_> in fact it's not the SI normalisation
[17:24] <nextgens> we are mixing things up here
[17:24] <nextgens> it's IEC's norm
[17:24] <nextgens> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix
[17:25] <toad_> nextgens: it has the great advantage of being unambiguous
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[17:26] <nextgens> well, it's a new format
[17:26] <nextgens> it's ambigious too imo
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[17:29] <Usurp> hi all
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[17:31] <Usurp> hi again :)
[17:33] <Usurp> did someone compiled fms succesfully ? cmake keeps asking me the Poco Foundation library, although I have built it ok
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[17:40] <Tommy[D]> Had no problems with fms-0.3.15
[17:41] <Usurp> hmm, I have only 0.3.3 here
[17:41] <Usurp> do you have a link to the newer fms ?
[17:42] <Tommy[D]> http://localhost:8888/SSK@0npnMrqZNKRCRoGojZV93UNHCMN-6UU3rRSAmP6jNLE,~BG-edFtdCC1cSH4O3BWdeIYa8Sw5DfyrSV-TKdO5ec,AQACAAE/fms-76/prototype.htm
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[17:42] <Usurp> thanks
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[17:47] <Luke771> Usurp: if cmake keeps asking you for Poco, you need to install Poco (duh)
[17:48] <Luke771> On ubuntu is in repos, on debian I don't know, on other Linux you may need to compile it (and it will take quite some time)
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[18:01] <Usurp> Luke771: it was already built and declared as POCO_BASE
[18:02] <Usurp> I had to do a make install
[18:02] <Usurp> but build fails
[18:03] <Usurp> /chk/freenet07/fms-src-0.2.20/src/freenet/captcha/alternatecaptcha1.cpp: In member function ‘virtual void AlternateCaptcha1::Generate()’: /chk/freenet07/fms-src-0.2.20/src/freenet/captcha/alternatecaptcha1.cpp:43: erreur: ‘rand’ was not declared in this scope /chk/freenet07/fms-src-0.2.20/src/freenet/captcha/alternatecaptcha1.cpp:63: erreur: ‘rand’ was not declared in this scope...
[18:03] <Usurp> .../chk/freenet07/fms
[18:03] <Usurp> -src-0.2.20/src/freenet/captcha/alternatecaptcha1.cpp: In member function ‘const std::string AlternateCaptcha1::GenerateRandomString(int)’: /chk/freenet07/fms-src-0.2.20/src/freenet/captcha/alternatecaptcha1.cpp:113: erreur: ‘rand’ was not declared in this scope
[18:05] <Usurp> im trying to remove the -D ALTERNATE_CAPTCHA=ON
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[18:05] <Usurp> ...fails
[18:18] <Tommy[D]> 0.2.20? Where did you get that version?
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[18:37] <nextgens> toad_> are you around?
[18:37] * nextgens is rewriting the parser
[18:37] <nextgens> so: let's sum up:
[18:38] <nextgens> 1KB == 1KiB == 1kB/1000*1024 == 1kb /1000*1024*8 right?
[18:44] <nextgens> or do we want to assume that we are talking in the binary format even when it's SI ?
[18:44] <toad_> 1KB = 1024
[18:44] <toad_> not 1000*1024
[18:45] <toad_> K = 1024, k = 1000
[18:45] <toad_> that's the convention we use
[18:45] <toad_> as you will see from the parser
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[18:46] <nextgens> and do we want to keep that?
[18:46] <toad_> yes, there is no reason to change it
[18:46] <toad_> well, changing it would be somewhat disruptive
[18:47] <toad_> in that it would change people's store sizes and bandwidth limits
[18:47] <nextgens> kbit is either 10^3 or 2^10
[18:47] <toad_> we never deal in bits
[18:48] <nextgens> and should the parser deal with it or not?
[18:48] <toad_> huh?
[18:48] <toad_> should the parser deal with what?
[18:48] <nextgens> UPnP returns bits/sec
[18:48] <toad_> so convert them, big deal
[18:48] <nextgens> okay
[18:50] <nextgens> and we do throw if the user uses it
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[19:27] <nextgens> toad_> what are you working on atm? are you done with the testing framework?
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[19:31] <kork> anybody have a link to something big I can try downloading?
[19:31] <kork> some linux iso or sth
[19:32] <nextgens> hmmm
[19:32] <nextgens> someone has inserted a knoppix dvd at some point
[19:32] <kork> I tried that
[19:32] <kork> couldn't get the metadata
[19:33] <kork> ~sigh~
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[19:38] <Tommy[D]> that was me, probably already too old, but i could start the upload again
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[20:00] <nextgens> whoah, facebook uses a java applet for picture uploading!
[20:00] <nextgens> that's good news: will get some users to configure their jvm properly :p
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[22:59] <inGuest> why sometimes my freenet restarts automatically? is there any settings change i can do to prevent that?
[23:02] <inGuest> i run it on Ubuntu, 1gb ram (128mb for freenet, 20gb hdd storage).. is there anything should i edit?
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[23:08] <toad_> inGuest: check your wrapper.log, it should show why it restarted
[23:09] <inGuest> okay
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