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[12:25] <kork> what does BURSTING mean?
[12:27] <saces> the node try to connect a few times, then sleep for a while (<1min?)
[12:27] <kork> ah
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[12:51] <toad_> kork: it means you set the burst only option on that peer iirc
[12:51] <toad_> hi folks, anything up?
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[14:58] <saces> have java a cache for file handles?
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[14:58] <toad_> hmmm?
[14:59] <saces> this can be a reason for the old plugin loaded,
[14:59] <saces> but the jar file is anew build
[15:00] <toad_> ah
[15:00] <toad_> well it has a cache for stuff downloaded
[15:00] <toad_> iirc there's a way to turn it off ... but i thought we already had ...
[15:01] <saces> i have replaced the downloaded jar in pluginmangers cache
[15:02] <saces> then reload plugin without delete the cache
[15:03] <saces> an other theorie:
[15:04] <toad_> it happens with stuff downloaded from freenet? it's not a url caching issue?
[15:04] <toad_> what about changing the filename?
[15:06] <saces> reload plugin with delete cache downgrade properly to the original version
[15:08] <saces> replacing the downloded jar shows me build 22, but the jarfile is 26...
[15:08] <toad_> i dunno, it's a java problem :|
[15:09] <saces> opening the jar in filesystem (konqi/ark, its a zip ;) anf hexview the classfile it shows the 26.
[15:13] <toad_> iirc the url cache caches files too
[15:13] <toad_> i dunno where the problem is, but you need to turn some cache or other off
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[15:24] <saces> its a build problem.
[15:26] <saces> the version number is a static field, updating Version.java updates the number here, but not the inlined copies in other class files
[15:26] <toad_> ahhh
[15:26] <toad_> use a getter?
[15:27] <toad_> that's the solution we use for the node
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[15:27] <saces> building from scratch each time.
[15:27] <toad_> ah i see
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[15:28] <saces> this way: <target name="dist" depends="clean, mkdir"
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[17:56] <kakina> hi
[17:57] <Luke771> yo
[17:59] <kakina> is there any "server-only"-version of freenet?
[17:59] <Luke771> what you mean exactly by 'server only'
[17:59] <Luke771> there's no such thing as a freenet server
[17:59] <kakina> i want to spent some terabyte capacy and traffic
[17:59] <kakina> but i have only a linux server without gui
[18:00] <Luke771> you want to donate some HDD space and some bandwidth but you don't think you gonna actually use freenet?
[18:00] <Luke771> linux headless is fine
[18:00] <kakina> i want to use it private, but i have som servers too
[18:00] <Luke771> just install a node on it and let it run
[18:01] <Luke771> doesnt matter what OS you have and what other services run on it: as long as you can run Java, you can have a freenet node
[18:01] <kakina> i dont have to connect via browser?
[18:01] <Luke771> there's a cli interface too
[18:01] <kakina> local browser?
[18:01] <kakina> cli?
[18:01] <Luke771> you can connect from a remote browser too
[18:01] <kakina> ok
[18:01] <kakina> thank you :)
[18:01] <Luke771> np
[18:02] <kakina> ok i will try - cya
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[21:00] <dbkr_> Bombe: ping
[21:01] <dbkr_> if you're around, can I quiz you about your network server code?
[21:01] <dbkr_> it's not working and I'm getting more & more confused the more of it read
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[21:57] <saces> a funny plugin thats can modify site manifests. USK@MYLAnId-ZEyXhDGGbYOa1gOtkZZrFNTXjFl1dibLj9E,Xpu27DoAKKc8b0718E-ZteFrGqCYROe7XBBJI57pB4M,AQACAAE/SiteToolPlugin-trunk/11
[22:03] <saces> you do not need to reinsert unchanged files.
[22:03] <saces> its may be useful for updating source trees mirrored into freenet
[22:04] <saces> basic stuff is working
[22:05] <saces> and you need a client to use it :(
[22:05] <saces> demo script is included in source
[22:09] <toad_> it ought to be possible to do this via FCP
[22:09] <toad_> without having to actually parse the manifests
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[22:10] <toad_> get a canonical uri for a file or something ... and ensure that big files always have a separate top block ... otoh that might be a mistake, a single block is very vulnerable ...
[22:10] <toad_> it's better that it be part of a FEC'ed object, even if it means it takes a bit longer to download...
[22:17] <saces> ofcorse a fcp client is also meant.
[22:18] <toad_> yeah, but it ought to be a proper part of the API
[22:18] <toad_> i suppose if we have to reuse the splitfile metadata from the last site version ... it gets complicated ...
[22:18] <toad_> but what would the plugin do about a containers site?
[22:20] <saces> it deals with it ;)
[22:21] <saces> the plugin let the node decide what format to insert
[22:21] <toad_> does it reinsert the data, or does it point to the old container?
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[22:21] <toad_> if it points to the old container, it could be very inefficient unless you are pulling a lot of files from it
[22:23] <toad_> also there is the general question of how often you want to reinsert stuff anyway - it's probably worth it from time to time
[22:23] <saces> the primary usecase is a (big) sourcetree
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[22:24] <saces> the plugin will speed up inserts on commit
[22:24] <Hadraniel78> Hello
[22:24] <toad_> hi
[22:24] <toad_> saces: makes sense
[22:25] <Hadraniel78> Anybody in here for a ref-trade?
[22:25] <toad_> saces: i do think periodic full inserts will be necessary though, and also the best way to insert a full source tree is probably *not* one file at a time in easily reusable form
[22:25] <toad_> Hadraniel78: you should exchange noderefs with people you know. otherwise just use opennet/insecure mode.
[22:26] <Hadraniel78> I'm in opennet mode right now, but I have the feeling that I'm connected to french nodes only, as I get only french boards in FROST
[22:26] <toad_> no, that's normal
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[22:26] <Hadraniel78> uh...
[22:26] <toad_> the main boards have severe DoS problems
[22:26] <toad_> get FMS
[22:26] <Hadraniel78> ok.
[22:27] <Hadraniel78> that's this NNTP gateway, I read a few lines about only, yet?
[22:28] <Hadraniel78> anyway, the way Freenet works I do not need to actively participate and use Freenet to support it? Is my understanding right, that just running a freenet node is of some use already?
[22:29] <toad_> yes
[22:30] <Hadraniel78> well then. I might try FMS just for being curios ... and I will keep my node up. thanks for the info :)
[22:36] <saces> toad_: it fits how mercurial works: inside a commit hook i have a list of changed files, pick up the corresponding items from repos
[22:37] <toad_> cool
[22:37] <toad_> i thought both of our dvcs implementations were using bundles atm?
[22:42] <saces> the "hg clone|pull http-static//:fproxy/key" works with a unmodified mercurial version, updating requires the mercurial plugin (pyFreenetHG)
[22:44] <dbkr_> Bombe: see devl@
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[23:10] <Griffon26> hi guys
[23:10] <toad_> good night folks
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[23:11] <Griffon26> can someone tell me what the current status of frost is? Should I be able to see any messages? I've been away for a while and left before the spamming started.
[23:13] <Tommy[D]> possible no messages for the main boards (should all be marked red due to spam)
[23:13] <Griffon26> could you give me one board that should work? just to test?
[23:16] <Tommy[D]> btw: You know about FMS?
[23:17] <Griffon26> sorta.. a spec with an implementation in C being ported to java for frost, right?
[23:17] <Tommy[D]> i could give you some nonespammed boards, but not sure if you will get messages there, not much activity any more on the boards i did watch last time
[23:18] <Griffon26> is FMS more popular now?
[23:20] <Tommy[D]> a spec implemented in c++ and working (there is no implementation in java, there is some development for the main part (web of trust) in java, maybe after that is finished, frost may implement the specs too
[23:21] <reflect> it works.. people are discussing things.. compared to frost, that's a hell of an improvement
[23:22] <Griffon26> ok, I'll check it out
[23:22] <Tommy[D]> i cant say if frost or FMS is more popular, but on the boards i watch, i see more messages in FMS than in Frost
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