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[8:13] <nextgens> seems like toad didn't insert 1155
[8:14] <nextgens> has anyone's node auto-updated to it yet?
[8:15] <nextgens> let's insert it
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[8:56] <nextgens> okay, now it's inserted
[9:01] <saces> nextgens: is 1155 announced via mail? seems missing too
[9:02] <nextgens> ooops
[9:03] <nextgens> well, too late it's already in the pipes now
[9:03] <nextgens> saces> has your node auto-updated yet?
[9:04] <saces> no. (notify only)
[9:04] <nextgens> the new updating code will probably be slower than the older one
[9:04] <nextgens> okay, but it has seen the update, cool
[9:06] <saces> wrong. my node is set to notify only was meant
[9:06] <saces> no=no notify.
[9:07] <nextgens> okay :/
[9:07] <nextgens> tell me when it notices the update please :)
[9:31] <saces> seems the update is "on the road" >11:30:19 | The update process seems to have been stuck for over an hour; let's switch to UoM! SHOULD NOT HAPPEN!
[9:33] <nextgens> hmm
[9:33] <nextgens> any of your peer has updated yet?
[9:33] <saces> yes.
[9:34] <nextgens> maybe 1h is not enough
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[9:35] <saces> im running a local build. its may not properly synced and have an updater version/changes that cant success?
[9:39] <nextgens> that might be why
[9:39] <nextgens> toad has fixed some issues recently
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[9:56] <nextgens> some of my peers have updated
[9:57] <nextgens> now I wonder if it's from uom or the normal channel
[10:00] <kork> # Total Input: 1.66 GiB (32.2 KiB/sec)
[10:00] <kork> # Total Output: 2.57 GiB (49.8 KiB/sec)
[10:00] <kork> 49.8K/s
[10:00] <kork> not too bad I guess
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[14:00] <Anarhist> hi, is there a tool to look at the metadata itself?
[14:00] <Anarhist> somebody is asking for that on the russian frost board
[14:08] <saces> Anarhist: try the keyexplorer plugin.
[14:10] <Anarhist> where would one get it?
[14:11] <Anarhist> ok, never mind
[14:15] <Anarhist> it really only shows you the metadata in hex and (whatever encoding, probably UTF-8)
[14:15] <Anarhist> not really shows what that is
[14:15] <Anarhist> thanks anyhow
[14:23] <saces> if there is no "Decomposed metadata" box it was a key that points direct to data
[14:24] <saces> or you did not scroll down ;)
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[14:43] <Anarhist> saces, i meant file metadata, not the site metadate... i think that's where the misunderstanding comes from
[14:44] <Anarhist> s/site metadate/site metadata/g
[14:45] <Anarhist> ok, i'm *very* upset at freenet right now... i had a large download at 80% now my node crashed and the download cannot even get the topmost metadata... this is happenening way too fucking often
[14:45] * Anarhist spits at anybody who says that download resuming is not a priority
[14:47] <Anarhist> if you keep your node running for a long time then there is a *huge* probability that the metadata will fall off your own datastore between restarts
[14:48] * Anarhist is going to put the files which lost the metadata at emergency, maybe that will recover it from the neighbours or something
[14:51] <Anarhist> ok, no metadata
[14:51] <Anarhist> i think i'll file a bug
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[14:58] <Anarhist> ok, i'm probably going to get an angry reply from nextgens, but oh well... it's a bug and needs to be filed
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[16:07] <toad_> hi Luke771
[16:07] <Luke771> hi
[16:07] <toad_> how's testing?
[16:08] <TheSeeker> Anarhist: nothing is being done about it in the main branch because the db4o branch has inherent download resuming. All fetched blocks are kept in a local DB until the file is complete, so there's no more hoping that blocks you've already downloaded haven't fallen out of your store (or the network) after a restart or crash.
[16:08] * toad_ has a mysterious Internal Error when uploading 1155 :|
[16:08] <Luke771> it's still running, I'm gonna check how it looks and update it now
[16:08] <toad_> TheSeeker: assuming the crash doesn't corrupt your database, that is
[16:09] * toad_ is going to merge trunk changes into the db4o branch soon
[16:09] <toad_> more automated testing may be more urgent however
[16:09] <Luke771> checking the log for errors too
[16:09] * toad_ predicts bazillions of Unrecognised message's
[16:10] <toad_> and if you're a seednode, lots of Invalid noderef too
[16:11] <TheSeeker> toad: Aren't databases supposed to survive software crashes? of course, nothing's going to save you from a head crash besides a backup (or holographic sotrage ... I want my holographic HDD damnit!)
[16:11] <Luke771> invalid noderef where? in wrapper.log?
[16:12] <Luke771> Ok I have only one error, a time out (jvm hung)
[16:12] <Luke771> no more errors
[16:12] <toad_> TheSeeker: in theory
[16:13] <toad_> TheSeeker: bdbje gets corrupted rather too easily; db4o used to get corrupted on out of disk space, but they fixed that within weeks of my reporting it (which is great)
[16:13] <Luke771> items disappeared from queue O-O
[16:14] <toad_> Luke771: eeeeeee
[16:14] <Luke771> LOL sorry my bad I was looking at the wrong FProxy
[16:14] <toad_> I have no idea what would cause that ... and it hasn't happened for me
[16:14] <toad_> ah ok :)
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[16:14] <Luke771> ARGH
[16:14] <Luke771> internal error!
[16:15] <toad_> given the issues with seednodes, i should probably merge trunk into db4o now, and then work on automated network testing...
[16:15] <toad_> Luke771: on an insert or a download or just in the logs?
[16:15] <Luke771> ran fine as long as I jut let it run, but when I tried to access fproxy I got internmal error (let's see what it is...)
[16:15] <Luke771> on fpqoxy
[16:15] <toad_> oooh
[16:15] <toad_> queue page or just somewhere in fproxy?
[16:15] <Luke771> I clicked on 'queue' and got internal error instead
[16:15] <toad_> find the relevant ERROR in the logs ... probably an NPE, but we'll seee....
[16:16] <Luke771> build too old
[16:16] <Luke771> ok I'll update it
[16:16] <toad_> why would that cause an internal error?
[16:16] <TheSeeker> that happened to me when I updated yesterday ... nuking my database seemed to fix it :P
[16:16] <Luke771> because announcementy got diabbled because of that?
[16:16] <TheSeeker> my node.db4o that is.
[16:16] <toad_> TheSeeker: :(
[16:16] <Luke771> disabled*
[16:17] <toad_> TheSeeker: you really shouldn't have to do that, unless i've made non-back-compatible changes ...
[16:17] <Luke771> ok I'm updating then we'll see what happens
[16:17] <Anarhist> TheSeeker, ok, thanks for a response
[16:17] <TheSeeker> toad_: I'd been offline for 2 weeks or so ... I fugured you'd made an incompatible change to the database in the meantime.
[16:17] <toad_> Luke771: was there a related NPE or something?
[16:17] <toad_> TheSeeker: ah, that's a fair bet
[16:18] <toad_> there will probably be more incompatible changes in the nearish future, but i'm probably going to take some time out of the database to work on testing
[16:18] <Luke771> WELL if NPE IS SOME KIND OF ERROR, ALL THE ERRORS REPORTED ON FPROXY WERE BUILD TOO OLD AND ANNOUNCEMENT DIABLED, SO i GUESS THE ANSWER IS NO
[16:18] <Luke771> oops
[16:18] <toad_> :)
[16:18] <Luke771> damn caps lock
[16:18] <Luke771> i'll disable it some day
[16:19] <toad_> by removing the key?
[16:19] <TheSeeker> Turn it into another shift key?
[16:19] <Luke771> yeah, that can be done in xorg.conf iirc
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[16:23] <TheSeeker> $ cat >> ~/.Xmodmap ... remove Lock = Caps_Lock ... keysym Caps_Lock = Shift_L
[16:23] <TheSeeker> ?
[16:23] <Luke771> nice
[16:24] * toad_ fixes the upload bug ...
[16:24] <TheSeeker> toad: This node is running such an old version of Freenet that it cannot connect to its peers any more! Please upgrade! [db4o]
[16:24] <toad_> TheSeeker: current SVN identifies itself as 1154
[16:24] <Luke771> compiling 21654
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[16:25] <TheSeeker> I've still got several peers, but I'll avoid updating my trunk node until I get home from work tonight.
[16:28] * toad_ fixed an insert bug
[16:28] <Luke771> well
[16:28] <Luke771> it still says itì's too old
[16:29] <toad_> hmmm
[16:29] <toad_> what version does it identify itself as on the homepage?
[16:29] <Luke771> i guess 1154 has gone mandatory, and the google svn is styill 1153
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[16:29] <toad_> check src/freenet/Version.java
[16:29] <Luke771> it's 1153, custom build
[16:29] <toad_> what version does it say there?
[16:29] <toad_> ok
[16:29] <Luke771> wait, that was on fproxy, checking src now
[16:30] <Luke771> no src/freenet/Version.java ?
[16:30] <Luke771> in the freenet dir created by svn
[16:31] <Luke771> there's src/dreenet but no version.java
[16:31] * toad_ syncs to google...
[16:31] <toad_> done
[16:31] <Luke771> k
[16:31] <Luke771> re-updating
[16:31] <toad_> Luke771: freenet/src/freenet/node/Version.java
[16:32] <toad_> Luke771: private static final int buildNumber = 1154;
[16:32] <toad_> Luke771: you may have to do ant clean before doing ant for constants to propagate
[16:32] <Luke771> k
[16:35] <Luke771> LOL ubuntu calls all the partitions sd** even when they are actually hd**
[16:35] <toad_> okay, db4o was branched 2 months 2 weeks ago in SVN r19964 ...
[16:36] <toad_> Luke771: newer kernels do that iirc
[16:36] <Luke771> i guess that must be another n00b-frienbdly "feature"
[16:36] <Luke771> oh
[16:36] <toad_> certainly SATA has been like that for ages
[16:36] <Luke771> that's totally wrong if you ask me
[16:36] <Luke771> sure
[16:36] <Luke771> but ide is supposed to be hd**
[16:36] <Luke771> anyhow, who cares
[16:36] <toad_> i dunno how far the moving PATA to libata has got
[16:38] <Luke771> houston, we have a problem
[16:38] <Luke771> it's still saying 1153
[16:38] <Luke771> and I did do ant clean before ant
[16:38] <toad_> what does the Version.java say?
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[16:38] <toad_> sback: hey
[16:39] <sback> hi toad_
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[16:39] <toad_> merging trunk from 19963 to 21652 into db4o branch...
[16:40] <toad_> sback: will we be seeing more of you?
[16:40] <sback> I hope so
[16:40] <sback> :)
[16:41] * toad_ is going to be working on automated network diagnostics in the near future, so we can see the impact of code changes on the network
[16:41] <toad_> well not just code changes, releases etc too
[16:42] <sback> which kind of automated network diagn.?
[16:42] <toad_> well the first one was a tool to monitor the seednodes
[16:42] <toad_> that was done yesterday, mostly nextgens' work, i just tidied it up a bit
[16:42] <toad_> the second will be to actually bootstrap a node and see how long it takes to reach 10 peers
[16:43] <toad_> or 15
[16:43] <kork> I just got another "unlimited" dedicated server so I might set up another seednode or something
[16:43] <sback> very nice
[16:43] <toad_> the third will be to insert some data on a well established node and then bootstrap a new node and fetch it from that
[16:43] <kork> if it helps
[16:43] <toad_> kork: another seed is ALWAYS welcome
[16:43] <toad_> especially from a known user
[16:44] <sback> toad_ how could I help you doing this? it sounds interesting
[16:44] <kork> hrm, makes me think, isn't cryptography outlawed in france or something? because that's where the server is hosted :S
[16:44] <toad_> not exactly
[16:44] <sback> kork: ask nextgens. He probably knows it
[16:44] <kork> sback: good idea
[16:45] <toad_> crypto is allowed i believe, but there is DADVSI, which may make developing p2p software illegal
[16:45] <sback> yes, I recall something similar
[16:45] <toad_> or it may not - ianal, and it will probably depend on caselaw
[16:45] <kork> well anyway I rented the server as a german from a german company, so I don't even know if french law applies
[16:45] <kork> oh well, gotta go home
[16:45] <kork> later, people
[16:46] <sback> bye
[16:46] <toad_> sback: have a look at the current code
[16:46] <toad_> sback: simulator/SeedNodesTester or something
[16:46] <sback> ok
[16:50] <toad_> sback: if you want to deal with it then let me know, there's plenty else i could be getting on with
[16:50] <toad_> sback: but we need it soon as it blocks the FOAF work
[16:50] <sback> ok, I'll tell you something at maximum tomorrow morning
[16:51] <toad_> thanks
[16:51] <sback> I should look at the code and see if I could do something good
[16:51] <sback> np
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[17:37] <nextgens> hi
[17:39] <nextgens> toad_> I've uploaded it
[17:41] <toad_> 1155? thanks
[17:44] <nextgens> toad_> r21656 is a *bad* idea
[17:44] <nextgens> toad_> the foaf thing uses a new FNP message
[17:45] <nextgens> you're gonna mess swapping up as it wont be handled
[17:45] <nextgens> we send a different message type to post 1153 nodes
[17:45] <toad_> nextgens: it will last approximately until i commit what i'm working on now
[17:45] <toad_> nextgens: 1154 is mandatory
[17:45] <toad_> nextgens: so it's that or don't connect at all
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[18:09] <Hadr4niel> Hello, anybody alive in here?
[18:10] <nextgens> no
[18:10] <Hadr4niel> perfect :)
[18:11] <Hadr4niel> I Just revived my seriously outdated darknet node and would like to gather some seed-refs, most preferrably from 24/7 nodes
[18:12] <Hadr4niel> On the other hand I'd probably just switch my node to "opennet", if this is not really bad? (I have not thoroughly studies the opennet vs. darknet discussion)
[18:20] <nextgens> you should use opennet
[18:21] <nextgens> and yes it's inherently insecure: by design
[18:21] <Hadr4niel> aye. I switched opennet on, but the node does not seem to connect to others.
[18:21] <Hadr4niel> Do I need more patience or do I need an initial seed ref?
[18:24] <nextgens> if the node doesn't complain about anything it should be fine
[18:28] <nextgens> Anarhist> needless to say that your bug ticket is useless; what are you trying to achieve filling it in?
[18:29] <nextgens> Anarhist> they are dozen of tickets about the lack of download-resuming on the bug-tracker
[18:29] <nextgens> Anarhist> and it's not like it wasn't being addressed
[18:29] <nextgens> whereas it shouldn't be but that's an other story
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[18:30] <Anarhist> nextgens, read the bug report. it isn't about download resuming...
[18:30] <nextgens> it's about what then?
[18:31] <nextgens> metadatas are stored in the cache/store, just like any other data
[18:31] <Anarhist> there is something i should probably add to it, my datastore isn't full yet, it's still growing which means that the block didn't fall off
[18:31] <nextgens> then your store got corrupted and the transaction wasn't commited
[18:31] <Anarhist> and i had 5 top-metadata blocks 'lost' out of 8 files i was downloading
[18:33] <Anarhist> i don't care if you do nothing, it's just when last time *you* (of all people) nagged me for complaining about something and not reporting it i really did feel kinda like i was in the wrong
[18:34] <toad_> Anarhist: you might like to try the db4o branch
[18:35] <toad_> Anarhist: ph00 made a howto
[18:35] <Anarhist> i'll look into it
[18:35] <Anarhist> q;-)
[18:35] <Anarhist> is there any (approx) timeline for when the two branches will be merged into the main distro?
[18:36] <sback> is this http://freenet.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/freenet/ the current link for the svn? My subclipse cannot use it :\
[18:38] <sback> [hi nextgens ]
[18:40] <sback> ok, it's a eclipse ganymede & subclipse bug
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[19:10] <nextgens> sback> you should use emu's repository as you've got credentials
[19:10] <nextgens> sback> https://emu.freenetproject.org/svn/trunk/
[19:11] <nextgens> toad_> I've updated launch4j on emu; you should ask people who had problems with the installer on vista to retry
[19:12] <nextgens> it has fixed the problems one french guy was experiencing
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[19:29] <FreedomForChina> Am I reading this right? Freenet node refs are not being used anymore?
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[19:30] <reflect> expand
[19:30] <sback_> bye
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[19:31] <Tommy[D]> FreedomForChina: you dont need to trade them manually with strangers any more
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[19:46] <toad_> well, you don't unless opennet is blocked
[19:46] <toad_> but hopefully it isn't
[19:47] <FreedomForChina> It is not. I am just new to 0.7.
[19:49] <FreedomForChina> I remember 0.5. I am still learning 0.7
[20:01] <FreedomForChina> Goodbye all. Have a nice day/night.
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[20:20] <reflect> how come "your node is using opennet" isn't a trivial alert, when you've configured your node to indeed make use of opennet?
[20:21] <reflect> every time I restart, I get this silly "warning" about something that I decided to use myself
[20:23] <reflect> and it won't go away from clicking on "remove trivial warning" but I need to actually go into alerts and then click on hide.. I'm fine with it warning me the first time or something, but now it's getting annoying.. I know about it, I decided about it, and I don't care about the warning anymore
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[20:50] <nextgens> toad_> you've just moderated a 1MB big mail on @cvs :/
[20:51] <nextgens> you should have linked to a diff instead imo
[20:52] <nextgens> reflect> the only alternative is to put it sticky and non dismissable as it was previously
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[20:58] <sanity> reflect: good point, you should file a bug report
[20:58] <nextgens> there is already one
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[21:08] <nextgens> bbl
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[22:01] <caytchen> is there a reason that the win32 update.cmd is apparently the unix version?
[22:06] <toad_> rehi
[22:06] <toad_> caytchen: i've heard this before ...
[22:07] <toad_> caytchen: it shouldn't be, and it isn't on the download site ... two reports means it's a *wierd* bug ...
[22:07] <caytchen> well i didn't run it before, does the freenet internal update update it?
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[22:08] <toad_> no
[22:08] <toad_> therefore it was like that when you downloaded freenet
[22:08] <toad_> unless you ran the script before ... the script does self-update
[22:08] <toad_> but you said you didn't
[22:08] <toad_> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2490
[22:09] * toad_ may have got sback to implement the automated network testing code...
[22:10] <toad_> if so, i should probably proceed with the bloom filters optimisation / elimination of PendingKeys ??
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