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[0:34] <xguest> hi all, what does "./run.sh dump" serves?
[0:35] <xguest> is a debug tool?
[0:37] <xguest> it does not change any settings when used, right?
[0:38] <xguest> i read it does only a "dump" of the cpu/mem usage, is it?
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[7:01] <Dr_Betruger> hi !! i connect to opennet only, sometimes in the strangers tab i have a peer with several entries for location, is that normal?
[7:02] <Dr_Betruger> last one had 19 entries
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[7:09] <Cooo> Dr_Betruger: It's a new function that some people tests ao yep, it's normal
[7:10] <Dr_Betruger> Cooo: ok, thanks :)
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[7:55] <ThOrAx> hey
[7:58] <ThOrAx> iv'e read all the documentation and couldn't find the answer. I cant seem to get any nodes connected i have forwarded the ports and have set it to insecure mode any suggestions?
[8:00] <Luke771> have you enabvled opennet in the configuration page?
[8:00] <Luke771> only darknet is enabled by default. Darknet = manually adding peers one by one
[8:00] <Luke771> for freenet to automatically connect to peers you have to enable opennet
[8:01] <Luke771> hm, insecure mode = opennet OK
[8:01] <Luke771> OK then, let's try to figure this out
[8:01] <Luke771> what OS are you running and what java version?
[8:01] <ThOrAx> xp pro
[8:02] <Luke771> maybe some firewall is blocking access to the internet for Java?
[8:02] <ThOrAx> 1.6.0_03
[8:02] <Luke771> k
[8:03] <ThOrAx> might be let me check it real quick
[8:03] <Luke771> does your node see any node in the 'strangers' page?
[8:04] <ThOrAx> no my fire wall alows all java connections
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[8:04] <Luke771> open your web interface and go to the strangers page
[8:04] <ThOrAx> @ luke771 no i dont see any connections under strangers
[8:05] <Luke771> no, ok
[8:05] <ThOrAx> all i see is port info
[8:05] <Luke771> ok
[8:05] <Luke771> maybe you need an updated seednodes.fref
[8:05] <Luke771> try updating the node first, maybe that will fix it
[8:05] <Luke771> open a cmd shell
[8:05] <Luke771> cd to the freenet dir and run update.cmd
[8:06] <ThOrAx> i might i had trouble with the online install so i did an offline install
[8:06] <Luke771> ok, then you definitely need to update manually, the first time
[8:06] <ThOrAx> ok let me try update
[8:07] <ThOrAx> it updated now its loading the updates hope it works
[8:07] <Luke771> should work
[8:09] <ThOrAx> ... still updating , so how long have you had freenet?
[8:10] <Luke771> hmm...
[8:10] <Luke771> couple of years
[8:12] <ThOrAx> thats a while , im rather new ( as you can tell) i got interested in darknets from reading little brother
[8:12] <Luke771> hm?
[8:13] <ThOrAx> little brother?
[8:13] <Luke771> only little brother I know is a guy that I dubbed like that
[8:14] <ThOrAx> haha naw its a book about over "protective" gov . its free at the authors website
[8:14] <Luke771> well
[8:14] <Luke771> i guess i don't need to read that
[8:14] <Luke771> i've been ssaying that govt's are overdoing 'security' for years
[8:14] <ThOrAx> prob its just a good novel
[8:15] <ThOrAx> btw is the update suppost to take this long?
[8:15] <Luke771> no
[8:15] <Luke771> what kind of connection you have?
[8:15] <ThOrAx> should i abort and retry?
[8:15] <Luke771> dunno
[8:15] <Luke771> you should check if the firewall is blocking wget
[8:16] <Luke771> (if it's wget that fetches the stuff on windows)
[8:16] <ThOrAx> 500kb dl and 130 up
[8:17] <Luke771> well it's not a lot (if you mean Kbits) but an update shouldnt take this long
[8:17] <ThOrAx> it updates it and evrything its when its shuting down that it takes too long
[8:18] <Luke771> hm
[8:18] <Luke771> it finished downloading then?
[8:18] <Luke771> it's taking time to restart?
[8:19] <ThOrAx> it finished now to see if it works
[8:21] <ThOrAx> still no connections but that might just take a while
[8:21] <Luke771> yesh it takes some time
[8:21] <Luke771> but you should start seeing the first nodes within minutes
[8:21] <Luke771> if you don't we'll try another thing
[8:22] <ThOrAx> ok
[8:23] <ThOrAx> i would see them under conectivity and strangers right?
[8:23] <Luke771> only under strangers
[8:24] <Luke771> yeah under connectivity too
[8:24] <Luke771> in fact you get the details under connectivity
[8:24] <ThOrAx> still no it says status unkown
[8:24] <Luke771> status... for what?
[8:25] <ThOrAx> both darknet and opennet
[8:25] <Luke771> you see anything looking like IP addresses in strangers page?
[8:26] <ThOrAx> no just port numbers
[8:26] <Luke771> hm
[8:26] <Luke771> ok, lets try this one
[8:26] <Luke771> wait i have to find an address
[8:26] <ThOrAx> ok
[8:29] <Luke771> stop the node
[8:29] <ThOrAx> by stoping freenet?
[8:30] <Luke771> yeah...
[8:30] <ThOrAx> ok
[8:30] <Luke771> hmpf
[8:30] <Luke771> now there's something I don't understand...
[8:30] <Luke771> (I use darknet only)
[8:31] <ThOrAx> what is it?
[8:31] <Luke771> OK, what I wanted to do is to get a new seednodes.fref for your node
[8:31] <ThOrAx> from the server
[8:31] <Luke771> that's a file with info about 'seednodes' (needed to connect... IIUC)
[8:31] <Luke771> yeah, from the website server
[8:32] <Luke771> the problem is that I only find a file called seednodes ref
[8:32] <Luke771> not fref
[8:32] <Luke771> by the way do you have a file called seednodes.fref in your freenet dir?
[8:33] <ThOrAx> yeah
[8:33] <Luke771> k
[8:33] <Luke771> lemme see if I can find that
[8:34] <ThOrAx> ok
[8:34] <dbkr> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref
[8:34] <Luke771> argh
[8:34] <Luke771> thx dbkr
[8:34] <dbkr> :)
[8:35] <Luke771> so ThOrAx
[8:35] <ThOrAx> thanks
[8:35] <Luke771> download, restart and hope
[8:35] <Luke771> you may pray or crosts your fingers if you think that would help
[8:35] <Luke771> cross*
[8:36] <Luke771> i don't know if you can do both at the same time, some would consider it blasphemy
[8:36] <ThOrAx> haha
[8:37] <Luke771> wtf is this?
[8:37] <ThOrAx> what?
[8:38] <Luke771> in connectivitty page I have an IPv6 address 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1:34553 marked 'no answer'
[8:38] <Luke771> i mean 0:0:0:0etc? what kind of IPv6 address is that?
[8:39] * Luke771 have no idea how ipv6 addresses work
[8:39] <Luke771> only that they have more bits
[8:39] <kork> that's localhost
[8:39] <kork> usually written as ::1
[8:39] <Luke771> i suspected that
[8:39] <Luke771> now the point is
[8:39] <Luke771> why is localhost listed on a port that freenet doesnt use, and with 'no answer'?
[8:39] <Luke771> (maybe thatìs the opèennet port, lemme check)
[8:40] <Luke771> i have no idea
[8:41] <Luke771> either i never enabled opennet, or I deleted all the opennet stuff when I disabled it
[8:41] <ThOrAx> thats wierd
[8:42] <Luke771> yep
[8:42] <dbkr> could try just grepping through for that port number?
[8:42] <Luke771> but it might be caused by the testing nodes that run in VM's
[8:42] <Luke771> (hmmm... probably not)
[8:43] <Luke771> and how exactly do I do that? grep <port#> ?
[8:46] <Luke771> ThOrAx: is it working?
[8:47] <ThOrAx> naw im restarting maybe il work this time
[8:47] <Luke771> hopefully
[8:49] <ThOrAx> naw its still not working
[8:50] <Luke771> grr
[8:50] <Luke771> ok then
[8:50] <dbkr> grep -rI 34553 .
[8:50] <Luke771> uninstall it and reinstall it using the on-line installer
[8:50] <ThOrAx> im just gona let it sit for a couple of hours and if that doesn't work try a reinstall
[8:50] <ThOrAx> ok let me try it real quick
[8:51] <Luke771> it should work within minutes, say within max 15 min if you have a lousy connection, you should see peers
[8:51] <Luke771> another thing we could try
[8:51] <Luke771> that would probably work
[8:52] <Luke771> if we connect as darknet peers, your node would get bootsytrapped into the net thru mine
[8:52] <ThOrAx> ok let me see if this works first
[8:54] <ThOrAx> ok it installed nice and know lets see if it connects
[8:58] <Luke771> diouble check that insecure mode is enabled (it is if you see a 'strangers' page)
[8:59] <Luke771> if it still doesnt connect, re-do the stuff we already did: update the node, and if still doesnt work, replace seednodes.fref
[8:59] <Luke771> restart the node at every attempt you make
[8:59] <ThOrAx> ok
[9:00] <ThOrAx> ok gona have to go later
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[9:26] <Luke771> argh
[9:26] * Luke771 filed a bug in the wriong category
[9:26] <Luke771> 2481 is filed under 'usability', should be 'web interface'
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[9:44] <gueest> hi everybody, how to disable freenet from autoload at startup in ubuntu? i prefer running it manually
[9:44] <gueest> i've checked bum but i dont see the service
[9:45] <Luke771> hm... if you had read at each step during install, you'd sen that you get an 'autostart' option while installing
[9:45] <Luke771> anyhow
[9:45] <Luke771> you'll have to configure cron, I guess
[9:46] <Luke771> I mean delete the freenet autostrat from the cron configuaration... which I've never done before (but you have a couple of keywords now)
[9:46] <Luke771> hopefully someone who knows cron is around
[9:46] <dbkr> crontab -e is what you want
[9:47] <Luke771> (community support is just like magick)
[9:47] <gueest> hmm maybe i didn't realized the autostart option else i'd disabled it
[9:47] <gueest> uh ok thanks
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[9:47] <Luke771> heh
[9:48] <gueest> dbkr> thanks
[9:48] <dbkr> np
[9:49] <gueest> ehmm... sorry but what i've to do in crontab to disable it? just delete the line?
[9:50] <gueest> dbkr
[9:50] <dbkr> yeah, or comment it out with a #
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[9:50] <gueest> ok thanks again
[9:50] <gueest> ;)
[9:50] <dbkr> :)
[9:51] <Luke771> YAY we have plugins loading over freenet
[9:51] <dbkr> ah, yeah
[9:51] <Luke771> but do we have an official freesite with official plugins?
[9:51] <toad_> we do? COOOOL!
[9:51] * dbkr makes a note to check that out
[9:51] <toad_> we will need revocation
[9:51] <toad_> before we can do that
[9:52] <Luke771> sure
[9:52] <Luke771> without revocation you can't do anything official
[9:52] <Luke771> but it's a good thing that plugins can be loaded off freenet rather than downloaded and ran locally
[9:52] <Luke771> er, besides that, I mean
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[9:54] <Luke771> Anyway, there is a big scary warning about freenet-loaded plugins being 'not even remotely supported'
[9:54] <Luke771> that will do for now: someone could provide an unofficial freenet plugins repo
[9:55] <Luke771> (don't even look at me)
[9:55] <dbkr> yeah, although I'd prefer the effort went into making revocation work :)
[9:55] <dbkr> so much of Freenet seems to be about cobbling together temporary solutions
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[9:56] <Luke771> sooner or later freenet will have to go 100% unofficial
[9:57] <Luke771> so better have some anonymous identity build himself a reputation now
[9:58] <dbkr> not unofficial, just purely over Freenet
[9:58] <dbkr> you can still have an 'official' anonymous source
[9:58] <Luke771> sure but also all the trusted devs will have to quit and anonymous ones will take over
[9:58] <dbkr> indeed
[9:58] <Luke771> so it's good if some anonymous identity becomes trusted
[9:59] <dbkr> I fail to see how this is relavent though
[9:59] <Luke771> well
[10:00] <Luke771> imagine that some anonymous guy called AnonMe01 builds a freesite that provides keys to plugins
[10:00] <Luke771> people load his plugins, download them, check them, and find out that they're not malicious
[10:01] <Luke771> after a while AnonMe01 is trusted not to be malicious
[10:01] <Luke771> so his plugins repo would be as good as the official one is now
[10:01] <Luke771> provided that AnonMe01 is as trusted as our devs are now
[10:02] <dbkr> and then once Freenet is driven underground, his repository becomes the official one provided by default in Freenet
[10:02] <Luke771> (and as ...un-malicious too)
[10:02] <dbkr> but he still needs a revocation mechanism for when his key is blown
[10:02] <Luke771> and after 5 years all the freenet is wiretapped because AnonMe01 WAS an NSA agant after all
[10:02] <Luke771> agent*
[10:03] <Luke771> but I guess we'll have to live with that risk
[10:03] <dbkr> well yes, but that's why Freenet needs to be open source :)
[10:04] <dbkr> such that it's possible to prove that code is not malicious and doesn;t contain time-bombs and so on and so forth
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[10:50] <toad_> dbkr: exactly. we need to publish source, in an easily reviewable form, and update *FROM THAT*
[10:51] <dbkr> update from where to where?
[10:51] <dbkr> author to distributor?
[10:54] <toad_> hg-over-freenet to updating plugins and the node
[10:54] <toad_> the client looks for an official tag signed by multiple trusted folk, waits some time for an anti-signature, and then builds and deploys it
[10:55] <dbkr> surely there's no point in downloading source to somewhere it it's not going to be reviewed?
[10:57] <toad_> dbkr: the point is we can be sure the binary built belongs to the source that's been reviewed
[10:57] <toad_> it's nigh on impossible to review a binary
[10:59] <dbkr> sorry, I still don't understand what you're getting at
[10:59] <dbkr> will plugins go through a distributor or directly from author to end-user?
[11:00] <Luke771> from author to end user over freenet, open source?
[11:00] <toad_> the end-user's node would compile them
[11:00] <toad_> from the DVCS over freenet
[11:01] <Luke771> but it's possible that some third party will maintain the freesite(s) that links to all (or most) plugins
[11:01] <toad_> subject to multiple signatures and a lack of anti-signatures (assuming these are supported by the DVCS)
[11:03] <dbkr> oh I see, so the distributors only have a bunch of links to author-maintained sites
[11:03] <dbkr> so you have a more direct path at the expense of requireing all the end users have a JDK.
[11:04] <toad_> right
[11:04] <dbkr> that's quite a compromise :/
[11:04] <toad_> which means you don't have to worry about the binary not reflecting the source, and the whole security is contained in the code review system
[11:05] <dbkr> given that we have enough trouble as it is just with working JREs.
[11:05] <toad_> dbkr: i disagree. a node isn't much use without at least a 1GB datastore anyway, and the JDK is a lot smaller than 1GB.
[11:05] <dbkr> indeed, the disk space is the least of our worries
[11:06] <toad_> there is a java compiler API
[11:06] <toad_> you need a JDK to use it, but you don't need to invoke everything via bash etc
[11:09] <toad_> dbkr: well, it's that, or have many more layers to try to verify binaries
[11:10] <toad_> each of the distributor compilers (and we'd need several, with cross checking) would have to have exactly the same compiler etc, with synchronized updates ... and hope there are no non-deterministic optimisations (atm there aren't)
[11:10] <dbkr> yeah, very true
[11:10] <dbkr> but surely you can say the same of the main freenet code?
[11:10] <toad_> hmmm?
[11:11] <toad_> the whole development process provides code review; with a good DVCS system it should be more or less transparent
[11:11] <dbkr> The only way I know that the freenet-main.jar my node has just downloaded from freenet corresponds to the source in subversion is because Freenet project inc. say it is
[11:12] <toad_> right
[11:12] <toad_> but if it's the source code, it's easier
[11:12] <toad_> you check it out from the release branch on the Mercurial repository over freenet
[11:12] <toad_> the devs directly apply their patches to the same repo
[11:12] <toad_> everything is signed, because that's how modern DVCSs work
[11:13] <toad_> you have a parallel revocation/dispute system for anti-signatures, since mercurial probably doesn't support that
[11:13] <toad_> and public FMS boards on which to discuss it
[11:14] <dbkr> you've lost me
[11:14] <toad_> hmmm? what part?
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[11:15] <dbkr> surely you can have as much source-code management and signatures as you like, but that's not going to help you verify that the binary you're holding actually comes from said source code?
[11:15] <toad_> that's why you build the binary yourself
[11:15] <toad_> at least as an option
[11:16] <toad_> an EASY option
[11:16] <dbkr> yeah, I guess you require that the end user has a JDK, then just give them a script of some kind that downloads the source code & compiles it
[11:17] <toad_> you can probably do it within the VM
[11:17] <toad_> at least for the java code
[11:17] <toad_> and the non-java code doesn't change very often, and is a separate question
[11:17] <dbkr> well, you can once you've compiled some java for the VM to run :)
[11:18] <toad_> if you have the JDK installed, you have access to the JDK's compiler via a class
[11:18] <dbkr> again though, you can't invoke the class until you have some java bytecode that invokes it
[11:19] <toad_> I don't follow
[11:20] <dbkr> well, if we say that the Freenet download must be purely source, then we can't give the user a java binary to run in order to download & compile the rest
[11:20] <toad_> true
[11:20] <dbkr> chicken-and-egg problem
[11:20] <toad_> if you have a corrupt bootstrap, you are screwed
[11:20] <toad_> it's the same with opennet ... it's even the same with darknet under some circumstances
[11:20] <toad_> if you exchange references in such a way that your ISP could do an MITM
[11:21] <dbkr> indeed, and the same reason that we'll ultimately require an open-source JVM.
[11:21] <toad_> but the paranoid will have a JDK already, packaged in their distro and signed by it; and they'll be able to compile themselves; and they'll exchange noderefs out of band
[11:21] <toad_> dbkr: which is not going to be a problem for much longer
[11:22] <dbkr> (which of course assumes you trust your distro...)
[11:22] <toad_> openjdk 1.6 would have sufficed but ubuntu shipped a buggy version of it
[11:22] <dbkr> and so on and so forth down the line
[11:22] <toad_> the bug is now fixed but hasn't been deployed to ubuntu yet
[11:22] <toad_> right, bootstrapping is a pig
[11:23] <toad_> in modern times you have even more fun things to throw into the equasion such as bios-resident or even firmware-resident often virtualising rootkits
[11:23] <dbkr> the question is ultimately where you draw the line and who you decide to trust
[11:23] <toad_> dbkr: and then you reach TCPA remote attestation. :|
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[11:23] <dbkr> you beat me to it :)
[11:23] <toad_> and usually centralised distros and PKIs
[11:24] <toad_> and as soon as you have to go underground half of that stuff becomes evil and the rest becomes impossible
[11:25] <toad_> but still, freenet helps
[11:27] <dbkr> so, journeying back, it might be favourable to have a repository of plugin binaries hosted by the same entity that hosts the freenet binaries, in both cases for those who want the convenience of not having to install a JDK.
[11:27] <toad_> sure
[11:28] <toad_> imho the project should host plugin binaries over freenet, but a prereq is a revocation mechanism, and a postreq is several other widely trusted anonymous people building them and checking them
[11:28] <toad_> with similar build options so they can be compared
[11:29] <dbkr> yeah, that's what I'd assumed
[11:30] <toad_> well we don't have anything like that now
[11:30] <toad_> the -cvs list for example is our primary code review mechanism ... and there's no reason why it can't be corrupted if emu is corrupted
[11:31] <toad_> reviewing the mercurial diffs directly from freenet would be much preferable security wise
[11:32] <toad_> but just having plugins updated over freenet is a big gain even if they are binary
[11:33] <dbkr> definately
[11:34] <dbkr> which we'd presumably do first, and then handle source distribution of both plugin and freenet itself later
[11:34] <dbkr> since there's little point having one withut the other
[11:34] <dbkr> anyway, lunch
[11:34] <toad_> yeah, that's the idea
[11:34] <toad_> it's good to have some idea where we're going
[11:34] <toad_> lunch is a good idea, cya :)
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[13:47] <Luke771> in the new plugin-over-freenet interface, what does the 'force local file' checkbox do exactly? (needed for translation). What happens when trying to load a remote plugin with the 'force local' checkbox checked? Will the action be refused, or the file downloaded and stored locally? (or something else?).
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[13:50] <saces> if checked: whatever you typed in, its must be a local file or it fails -> no net access
[13:50] <Luke771> ok
[13:51] <saces> its invented to make paranoids happy ;)
[13:51] <Luke771> (i suggest changing 'force local files' to 'local files only', can't be misunderstood)
[13:51] <Luke771> sure, paranoids must be kept happy
[13:53] <saces> i learned english here ;)
[13:54] <Luke771> you probably don't want to know where I learned it...
[13:54] <Luke771> oh, besides, I wouldn't tell on a logged channel
[13:54] <saces> *gg*
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[14:24] <saces> my python lesson 2b is done: USK@MYLAnId-ZEyXhDGGbYOa1gOtkZZrFNTXjFl1dibLj9E,Xpu27DoAKKc8b0718E-ZteFrGqCYROe7XBBJI57pB4M,AQACAAE/pyFreenetHg/1/
[14:39] <sdiz> saces: it try to upload the whole respository on every commit?
[14:47] <toad_> saces: that's the same url you pasted yesterday no?
[14:48] <saces> sdiz: atm yes, a tool to fix it is the next.
[14:48] <saces> toad_: a new edition is in.
[14:48] <toad_> what edition number?
[14:48] <saces> 2
[14:49] <toad_> got it
[14:50] <saces> the stuff on emu(svn) and on freenet(mercurial) comes from the same workdir
[14:52] <toad_> hmm?
[14:54] <saces> svn and mercurial can be used in parallel
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[15:06] <saces> sdiz: here it is USK@MYLAnId-ZEyXhDGGbYOa1gOtkZZrFNTXjFl1dibLj9E,Xpu27DoAKKc8b0718E-ZteFrGqCYROe7XBBJI57pB4M,AQACAAE/SiteToolPlugin-trunk/2/
[15:07] <toad_> saces: in theory, but one has to be written to ...
[15:07] <saces> if this is working, the plugin staff can continued on a mercurial brunch over freenet.
[15:08] <toad_> cool
[15:09] <toad_> well hopefully nextgens will be moving the project to mercurial soon anyway...
[15:09] <saces> if nobody puts new items on my todo...
[15:11] <saces> the next is "fill fridge"
[15:11] <saces> bbl
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[15:22] <ThOrAx> @luke 771 hey im back sorry bout that.
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[15:29] <Luke771> ThOrAx: is it working?
[15:31] <ThOrAx> naw its still non connecting
[15:32] <Luke771> and you did everything I told you?
[15:32] <ThOrAx> yeah im trying it without a firewall right now
[15:32] <Luke771> reinstall using the online installer, update with update.cmd, download a new seednodes.fref?
[15:33] <Luke771> well actually
[15:33] <Luke771> as long as you can reach the outside, it should work
[15:33] <Luke771> so, if you allowed java to reach the internet on UDP, the firewall shouldnt be a problem
[15:34] <ThOrAx> yeah
[15:34] <ThOrAx> let me check on it
[15:35] <ThOrAx> yeah it is
[15:37] <ThOrAx> java is the main platform it will run under right?
[15:37] <Luke771> hm.. yeah
[15:37] <Luke771> it's also the 'only' platform
[15:37] <Luke771> not the main one
[15:37] <Luke771> (the are no secondary ones)
[15:38] <Luke771> anyways
[15:38] <ThOrAx> ok im getting connected
[15:38] <Luke771> you are?
[15:38] <Luke771> getting peers?
[15:38] <ThOrAx> i have 7 peers
[15:39] <Luke771> are you running with your firewall down now?
[15:40] <ThOrAx> sort off
[15:40] <ThOrAx> i8ts now up
[15:41] <Luke771> yeah but the connections you have got will stay there because they connected when the firewall was down
[15:41] <ThOrAx> i put new configs
[15:41] <ThOrAx> will they be up next time?
[15:41] <Luke771> so, your problem is definitely the firewall
[15:42] <ThOrAx> yes.
[15:42] <Luke771> and even if you're done the port forwarding well, you have to allow incoming connections UDP on your freenet port,
[15:42] <dbkr> Luke771: yeah but the connections you have got will stay there because they connected when the firewall was down
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[15:42] <ThOrAx> oh ok
[15:42] <Luke771> I know that you didn't set that right because if you did, you'd be getting at least the peers that are connectiong to you
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[15:43] <dbkr> not necessarily - the firewall apparently couldn't cope with keeping the tunnel open once one packet had been sent, so there's no reason to suggest it would keep the connection tracking in any other circumstances
[15:43] <Luke771> what fiewall is that, btw?
[15:43] <ThOrAx> it makes sence now because i port forwarded my router and firewall but i also needed to port forward java
[15:43] <Luke771> hm?
[15:44] <Luke771> no, you port foreward the router
[15:44] <ThOrAx> oh its norton all in one thing
[15:44] <Luke771> argh
[15:44] <ThOrAx> oh and dlink router
[15:44] <ThOrAx> yeah :/
[15:44] <Luke771> here's a piece of free advice: dump norton
[15:46] <ThOrAx> haha it is good advice . i need a replacement dough
[15:46] <Luke771> well
[15:46] <Luke771> for the antivirus, avast home edition (free) will do fine
[15:47] <ThOrAx> yeah because it messes so much with everything
[15:47] <Luke771> you'll need to register to get a free registration number (I would use a one-time mail address)
[15:48] <Luke771> for the firewall, i use windows only for gaming with no antivirus at all and a very minimal setup but you must have a fiorewall anyway, so I picked ghostwall
[15:48] <ThOrAx> for firewall how about FirewallPAPI
[15:48] <ThOrAx> ghost wall
[15:48] <Luke771> PAPI like the airport approach lights?
[15:48] <Luke771> ghostwall (one word)
[15:49] <Luke771> it's very light but it's also different from the firewall most windows users are used to
[15:49] <ThOrAx> i m on ghsotwall site
[15:49] <Luke771> no annoying pop-ups, no 40 processes running, no per-application permissions, no nothing
[15:49] <Luke771> all it does it open or close ports
[15:50] <dbkr> surely windows firewall does that?
[15:50] <Luke771> so you'll need to know some computer basics and networking basics, you'll have to find out what port and protiocol your apps use in order to set the rigyt permissions for them (or, you can allow everything outbound, that will do fine for most home users, and only set rules for inbound connections)
[15:51] <dbkr> and, assuming yoi trust the people on your local network, your d-link router probably does too
[15:51] <Luke771> windows firewall does nothing
[15:51] <Luke771> only per-app permissions
[15:51] <Luke771> hmm... yeah
[15:51] <dbkr> no, windows firewall will quite effectively drop traffic you don't want
[15:51] <Luke771> if you have a totally trusted LAN you don't need a software firewall in the first place
[15:52] <Luke771> sure, a nat router and windows fiorewall would do, as lonmg as your LAN is trusted
[15:52] <Luke771> firewall*
[15:52] <dbkr> no, if you trust your local network, the NATing router will do fine
[15:53] <Luke771> you use the router to block everything inbound except what you allow (forwarded ports) and windows firewall to allow or deny locall apps access to the internet
[15:53] <dbkr> windows firewall's outbound blocking was somewhat limited last time I checked
[15:53] <Luke771> it is
[15:54] <dbkr> in that mostly it will block your games and nothing else
[15:54] <Luke771> but it will pick up a botnet ;)
[15:54] <Luke771> it happened to me
[15:55] <Luke771> I used one of those 'keygens' (that was the last time I ever did that) and a windows firewall warning popped up telling me "mIRC wants to access the internet: allow?"
[15:55] <dbkr> what kind of botnet was it?
[15:55] <Luke771> ...and I never installed mIRC...
[15:55] <Luke771> well, one based on irc, I guess
[15:56] <dbkr> ah, it must have changed since I last used it
[15:56] <Luke771> i don't know much of botnets, all I know is that they use irc, and an irc app asked to access the internet without me ever installing it, so I thought it must be a botnet
[15:56] <kork> there was one on quakenet quite recently that used a hidden mirc as a c&c
[15:56] <kork> pretty lame attempt, but there still were about 20 bots in the channel
[15:56] <dbkr> sounds plausible
[15:57] <Luke771> anyways
[15:57] <Luke771> I'll go play some games now
[15:57] <Luke771> ThOrAx: you have your solution: it's the firewall.
[15:57] <kork> don't get pwned
[15:57] <kork> ;P
[15:57] <Luke771> also dump norton
[15:57] <Luke771> I PWN
[15:57] <Luke771> well, actually...
[15:58] <Luke771> it's kind of 50/50
[15:58] <Luke771> I have a 1.0 kill/death ratio
[15:58] <Luke771> which is not easy on a WWII flight sim
[15:58] <Luke771> cya later guys
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[16:02] <ThOrAx> haha yeah
[16:03] <ThOrAx> i had tried to install back orifice on the rest of my house comp and when i ran the
[16:03] <ThOrAx> client it went into a delete frenzy
[16:04] * dbkr didn't know back orifice still existed after that whole thing with the backdoor
[16:05] <ThOrAx> so ghostwall can i set it to ask me if i let a program connect each time it opens?
[16:07] <dbkr> i don't know anything about ghostwall, but Luke771 said it had no per-application permissions, so I guess that means no
[16:07] <ThOrAx> ah , well im still going to try it dough il just need to get used to it
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[20:09] <Cooo> hi
[20:09] <SkaveRat> is it possible to add a dyndns-address to the FProxy-allowed list, instead of an IP?
[20:10] <SkaveRat> I've got a dynamic IP and want to use my server as gateway
[20:10] <Cooo> Dunno.. But I guess it would be possible, if not it shureley should be implemented
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