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[7:38] <Guest68147> hi everybody
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[7:41] <Guest68147> how can i check if my i2p is censoring freenet's servers? because when i run ./run.sh start it starts but after few seconds exits...
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[7:41] <Guest68147> *ISP not i2p :)
[7:42] <Guest68147> anyone has any idea about?
[7:44] <Guest68147> sorry, checked the faq and *maybe* i've found the problem
[7:44] <Guest68147> long life to faqs
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[8:14] <Guest68147> <Guest68147> sorry, checked the faq and *maybe* i've found the problem: i've not solved this problem
[8:14] <Guest68147> can anyone help me make freenet working?
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[8:16] <nextgens> Guest68147> pastebin your wrapper.log file please
[8:17] <Guest68147> ok, where can i paste?
[8:17] <Guest68147> *+nextgens
[8:18] <Guest68147> !paste
[8:18] <nextgens> on http://code.bulix.org like the topic says
[8:18] <Guest68147> !pastebin
[8:18] <Guest68147> ah oh sorry i didn't noticed that link
[8:21] <Guest68147> nextgens> http://code.bulix.org/po1bc8-67792?raw
[8:22] <nextgens> okay
[8:22] <nextgens> that's because you're using gij
[8:22] <nextgens> didn't the installer complain about your jvm?
[8:23] <nextgens> the fix is to switch to sun's jvm and to reinstall freenet
[8:23] <nextgens> there is a FAQ entry on how to
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[8:23] <Guest68147> nextgens yes i've already did what faq say
[8:24] <Guest68147> i've turned to sun's java
[8:24] <Guest68147> should i re-unpack java maybe?
[8:24] <sdiz> re-unpack ?
[8:24] <Guest68147> yes i'm using the headless
[8:25] <Guest68147> i prefer it
[8:25] <Guest68147> is somehow pocket :)
[8:27] <sdiz> what does `java --version` show ?
[8:29] <Guest68147> sdiz, nextgens> now it works, i had to reunpack/reinstall freenet
[8:29] <Guest68147> thank you very much
[8:30] <Guest68147> (after having switched to the sun's java, obviously)
[8:30] <Guest68147> thanks again
[8:34] <Guest68147> another question, is true that 0.5 is better than 0.7? (about anononimity, not speed...)
[8:35] <Guest68147> *anonimity
[8:37] <sdiz> 0.7 is better
[8:39] <Guest68147> :)
[8:40] <Guest68147> ok :)
[8:45] <saces> is this java construct ok? http://dark-code.bulix.org/yj5yec-67793
[8:46] <nextgens> what do you mean "ok"?
[8:46] <nextgens> it's syntaxically correct
[8:50] <saces> the return inside the sync block...
[8:50] <nextgens> that's ok
[8:50] <saces> ok. thx
[9:01] <Guest68147> the ports that should have to be forwarded atr both UDP, right?
[9:01] <Guest68147> *are
[9:04] <saces> yes
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[9:09] <scarabaus> hi all
[9:09] <scarabaus> i'm looking for 5 friends
[9:09] <scarabaus> i'm new on freenet
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[9:48] <saces> scarabaus: if you dont have friends, use opennet. its more secure in that case.
[9:50] <scarabaus> tnx
[9:51] <scarabaus> some information on how to use opennet
[9:51] <scarabaus> thanks in advance
[9:52] <dbkr> do you not just turn it on?
[9:55] <scarabaus> yes
[9:57] <Guest68147> scarabaus just use insecure-mode
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[9:57] <Guest68147> opennet mean that
[9:57] <Guest68147> *means
[9:57] <dbkr> what's the problem then?
[9:57] <scarabaus> ok
[9:57] <scarabaus> i've done it
[9:58] <scarabaus> now
[9:58] <scarabaus> what do I have to do enter in secure mode?
[9:58] <Guest68147> well, search for friends
[9:59] <scarabaus> mh?
[9:59] <Guest68147> add friends/trusted peaple
[9:59] <Guest68147> instead of using strangers peers
[10:00] <Guest68147> but that should be enought
[10:00] <scarabaus> where i can find friends?
[10:01] <Guest68147> scarabaus using "insecure-mode" means that you connect to strangers/unknown peaple... secure-mode means that you add the contacts of peaple you know/trust
[10:02] <Guest68147> that's it
[10:02] <scarabaus> ok
[10:03] <scarabaus> but in this way if I don't know someone using freenet I'll never use it in secure mode
[10:04] <dbkr> that's the gist, yes
[10:04] <scarabaus> it's terrible
[10:04] <dbkr> scarabaus: there's no alternative
[10:04] <scarabaus> :)
[10:05] <dbkr> how is Freenet supposed to tell that the random person you've just connected to is not malicious?
[10:05] <scarabaus> ok
[10:05] <scarabaus> but new memebr how can enter?
[10:05] <dbkr> using insecure mode
[10:07] <scarabaus> so
[10:07] <scarabaus> who is in insecure are isolated from who is in secure?
[10:07] <dbkr> no, they're the same network
[10:08] <scarabaus> and they see the same contents?
[10:08] <dbkr> yes
[10:08] <scarabaus> so where's the difference?
[10:09] <dbkr> Guest68147: scarabaus using "insecure-mode" means that you connect to strangers/unknown peaple... secure-mode means that you add the contacts of peaple you know/trust
[10:09] <scarabaus> and i can connect in secure mode
[10:10] <scarabaus> only if I have 5 friends?
[10:10] <dbkr> you can connect in secure mode if you only have one friend, technically
[10:10] <scarabaus> but....
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[10:24] <Guest25062> is it possible to reduce max. connections that freenet uses? f.e. due to router related problems (my router can't handle much connections)
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[10:26] <dbkr> Guest25062: I think you just remove some peers
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[10:26] <dbkr> (since Freenet's all UDP it doesn't really have any connections as such)
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[10:27] <dbkr> but your router will maintain a connection tracking entry for each peer you send to
[10:27] <Guest25062> ah... good. so does not uses many connections?
[10:28] <dbkr> well, again, it doesn't use any connections at all
[10:28] <Guest25062> ah.. ok! :) good, thank you
[10:28] <Guest25062> no problems then
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[10:29] <toad_> well they are similar to connections
[10:29] <toad_> they will need to be tracked for udp hole punching
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[10:30] <dbkr> you might even say that your router will maintain a connection tracking entry for each peer you send to
[10:32] <Guest25062> so, guys, anyway i dont have to care about that thing?
[10:33] <toad_> well, it's typically going to be 20 UDP "connections"
[10:34] <Guest25062> can be considered like max.connection of eMule that over a fixed value, can cause problems?
[10:35] <dbkr> your router will probably treat them the same way (but I don't know your router, obviously)
[10:37] <Guest25062> hmm okay, i'll have to do some test then
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[11:28] <HansHans> hello
[11:29] <toad_> hi
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[12:27] <toad_> rehi folks, especially batosai_ ... what's up?
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[12:29] <batosai> hi toad
[12:29] <batosai> WoT's core is working, as I published on its freesite :)
[12:29] <toad_> cool!
[12:29] <batosai> performance are bettr than I expected
[12:30] <toad_> any idea why?
[12:30] <batosai> and it certainly can be optimised
[12:30] <batosai> I didn't expect DB4O to cache objects in memory
[12:30] <toad_> ah :)
[12:31] <batosai> I thought it would be very disk-intensive, but it isn't
[12:31] <toad_> cool
[12:31] <toad_> yeah, it's working reasonably well for me too...
[12:31] <toad_> it's a hell of a huge job though, and there are worries about leaking stuff since there's no garbage collection
[12:32] <batosai> uh ? Then I'll have to take a serious look at it before the release
[12:32] <batosai> my code is far from perfect
[12:32] <toad_> I mean my code :)
[12:33] <toad_> I haven't had time to review yours yet, sorry about that
[12:33] <batosai> well, I supposed that if leaks could happen for you, they could happen for metoo ;)
[12:33] <toad_> my queue-over-db4o rewrite is a monster
[12:33] <toad_> well yeah... you have to delete everything explicitly ... and that may not be so easy if it's internal to a HashMap or something...
[12:33] <toad_> i believe there are translators for such cases
[12:34] <toad_> or recursive deletion, but you have to configure that before opening, and be careful
[12:34] <batosai> oh, ok. I don't think I have problems with that. I thought you talked about memory leaks.
[12:35] <toad_> nah
[12:35] <batosai> then it should be fine for me ;P
[12:35] <toad_> well memory is a big issue too if you have a working set that won't fit in RAM and have to use selective activation/deactivation everywhere
[12:36] <batosai> a 1.000 users WoT with 30 trust each weights about 600KB on disk
[12:37] <batosai> needs further testing tough
[12:37] <nextgens> 1k user is not big
[12:38] <batosai> nope, but it is linear. Therefore a 1.000.000 users WoT should weight 600MB :(
[12:39] <batosai> gtg brb
[12:40] <toad_> by then we'll all have 8GB of RAM, of course :)
[12:40] <toad_> but it would be nice to be able to run on small systems
[12:41] <batosai> re
[12:42] <batosai> right, there might be some possible optimisation too
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[13:29] <saces> hi.
[13:30] <saces> batosai: is the wot plugin supposed to send frost and fms messages?
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[13:43] <batosai> saces, nope
[13:44] <batosai> it just handles the trust calculation system
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[13:45] <batosai> client apps just tell it who they trust and ask for valid identities to fetch
[13:49] <saces> I thought I can depends on your plugin ;)
[13:50] <saces> a plugin that provides such messege sending functions would be cool for scripting.
[14:06] <batosai> well, it's not really a WoT's feature, and as my teachers say : small is beautiful ;)
[14:06] <batosai> but, we can build another plugin to handle this kind of stuff
[14:07] <batosai> in fact, I'm thinking about it. But I have to finish the WoT first
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[14:37] <anon0032> how does one add darknet refrences now?
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[14:39] <anon0032> how does one add darknet refrences now?
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[14:47] <saces> that sounds good
[14:48] * toad_ agrees with both of you
[14:48] <toad_> it's definitely a good idea
[14:48] <toad_> especially if a third party was to resurrect Worst's UI and implement a java-fms message web-interfaced board plugin
[14:56] <saces> each time i try to remove items from my todo list i get two more on it...
[14:58] <reflect> isolate yourself for a few hours/days.. then solve the ones you don't need others' input on.. should help reduce the list
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[15:08] <toad_> saces: virtualize it. add them to external bug trackers where people can take them away from you.
[15:09] <toad_> of course that relies on other people being interested enough and having time, skills etc ... :|
[15:09] <toad_> bbiab
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[15:11] <saces> to delegate it is the right solution ;)
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[17:51] <Telis_Ravenlight> greets, all
[17:52] <Cooo> hi
[17:52] <Telis_Ravenlight> I'm having a spot of trouble getting freenet up and running, and wondered if I could get some help here
[17:53] <Cooo> Hopefully.. Just state your problem and hopefully someone knows what to do.
[17:54] <Telis_Ravenlight> neat
[17:55] <Telis_Ravenlight> I'm installing on Ubuntu and I get the error " java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "/home/blahblahetc/install updater.sh" error=13, Permission denied"
[17:56] <Luke771> you're using the openjdk that comes with ubuntu?
[17:57] <Telis_Ravenlight> yep
[17:57] <Luke771> switch to sun's java 6
[17:57] <Cooo> You probably should install suns java
[17:58] <Telis_Ravenlight> aha
[17:58] <Telis_Ravenlight> I need to unstall openjdk, then?
[17:58] <Telis_Ravenlight> *uninstall
[17:58] <Luke771> well you can do it two ways
[17:58] <Luke771> euther you simply install sun's java and reconfigure to make the system use it
[17:59] <Luke771> or (this is how I did it on ubuntu)
[17:59] <Luke771> you uninstakll openjdk frist and then install sun's
[17:59] <Luke771> that may be tricky if you have installed apps that requite java as a dependency
[17:59] <Luke771> (uninstall/reinstall them would do... but if they're many you may want to use the reconfigure option)
[18:00] <Telis_Ravenlight> no, I installed openjdk solely for this app
[18:00] <Luke771> ok then, just uninstall it
[18:00] <Luke771> then install sun's java 6
[18:00] <Luke771> it's in repo
[18:00] <Telis_Ravenlight> thx, I'll let you know how it goes--I've got to run some errands first :)
[18:00] <Luke771> but you need to enable universe/multiverse
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[18:02] <Luke771> hey! I want a translator coak like that! it's cool
[18:02] <Luke771> cloak*
[18:03] <P4C0> hello guys, I can't get freenet to start on every boot... seems that the crontab @reboot is not working... i'm using slackware linux 12.1
[18:03] <batosai> :)
[18:03] <Luke771> P4C0: I run slack 12.1 with fluxbox... and never even tried to make it start automatically
[18:04] <Luke771> I mean if you want stuff to run automatically you get ubuntu...
[18:04] <Luke771> but I think it can be done
[18:04] <P4C0> Luke771, the installer add this to my user's crontab: @reboot "/home/myuser/Freenet/run.sh" start 2>&1 >/dev/null #FREENET AUTOSTART - 8888
[18:04] <Luke771> so it should start automatically...
[18:05] <P4C0> Luke771, hmm i don't think there's any difference between slacwkare cron and ubuntu's
[18:05] <Luke771> no, cron is cron
[18:06] <Cooo> Luke771: Yeah.. I could need an translator cloak too.. :) But my translation is lagging alot now :(
[18:06] <Luke771> hmm... someone who understands cron better should answer here... Sorry P4C0 I'm the kind of guy who starts all his apps by hand one by one. I even use fluxbox to skip any automatism that kde includes
[18:07] <Luke771> Cooo: bad, baaad translator
[18:07] <Cooo> Luke771: Yep. :(
[18:07] <Luke771> my translation is always up to date
[18:07] <P4C0> Luke771, no problem :) thanks
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[18:08] <Luke771> Cooo: I'm sending one update every month + extra updates when needed
[18:08] <Luke771> I had to send one extra update some days ago because of a major encoding screw-up
[18:08] <Cooo> Luke771: Well, you are some kind of language genie so I am not surprised that your translation is uptodate :)
[18:09] <Luke771> basicllay, what I do is to run fproxy in Italian (except swtching it back to english when I have to sjhow stuff for someone) and update strings as I notice that it's needed
[18:09] <Luke771> then, once a month I send the update @devl
[18:09] <Cooo> Once the summer is over and I have some more time I will try to catch up.
[18:10] <Luke771> first of all I may be a langiage genius but if I was a genie I could grant your wish to learn like 200 langauges (+ 2 more wishes)
[18:10] <Luke771> and second of all
[18:10] <Luke771> my english is just as bad as yours
[18:11] <Luke771> my language 'geniality' is the ability of learning new languages in a relatively short time
[18:11] <Luke771> but I can't speak any language really well
[18:12] <P4C0> guys there's frost, fms, freemail, what is the best? frost + freemail? is fms cool? should i install it too?
[18:12] <Luke771> frost would be the good one in theory
[18:12] <Luke771> but in practice it's being flooded to the point to be almost unusable (DoS)
[18:12] <Luke771> you can still use it for non-english boards
[18:13] <Luke771> for english boards you'll have to use FMS
[18:13] <Luke771> and as FMS doesnt support private messages, you'll have to sue freemail for that
[18:13] <P4C0> Luke771, thanks, i will get FMS too
[18:14] <Luke771> so the best choice right now would be FMS+freemail, and possibly frost if you plan to read non-english boards
[18:14] <Luke771> if you install frost, unsibscribe right away from everything default and only add the non-english boards you want.
[18:15] <Luke771> fms can be kind of tyricky to set up, it's not just run-and use it like frost
[18:15] <Cooo> LOL. Sue freemail just because FMS does not support private messages?? Yeah, I know it's a typo.
[18:15] <Luke771> there are instructions on the freenet apps freesite, linked in the defaiult bookmarks
[18:15] <Luke771> lol
[18:15] <Luke771> i meant use
[18:15] <Cooo> yep.
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[18:16] <Luke771> looking at my typos you can tell tha I often strike 2 keys with one finger (fat finger syndrome) and also tend to overcompensate, resulting in inverted letters like sue/use
[18:16] <Cooo> Sometimes one finger is quicker than another one. with a little luck those typos makes fun reading :)
[18:17] <Luke771> overcompensation
[18:18] <Luke771> you know that you'll have to strike that key with your left hand and that the left is slower so you accelerate ...to much and end up striking the left-hand key before the right-hand one
[18:18] <P4C0> yes, thanks
[18:18] <Cooo> Good that the human brain usally just reads the words right anyways. Some discussions over the net would be hard if the brain didn't
[18:19] <Luke771> lets switch that to -chat
[18:19] <P4C0> there's a new (well not really new) keyboard layout that should improved that... i think,,,
[18:21] <Luke771> dvorak?
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[18:22] <P4C0> yes, i never remember that... nor the used now... queity? querty? well that
[18:22] <Luke771> qwerty keyboard were designed to avoid jams in mechanical typewriters
[18:22] <Luke771> dovrak keyboards are designed for best use
[18:23] <Luke771> otoh, the dvorak keyboard is designed for best use in english, it may be somewhat less good if you use it in another langauge.
[18:23] <P4C0> yup, but people is used to qwerty and for some extrange reason companies haven't push dvorak more
[18:23] <Luke771> but still better than qwerty
[18:23] <Luke771> well
[18:24] <Luke771> I tried to get an american keyboard just because that's the standard: no store around here (italy) had anything but italian qwerty keyboards
[18:24] <Luke771> I didn't even try to ask for dvorak, they'd probably go "say WHAT?!?"
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[18:25] <toad_> Luke771: you can have one, ask nextgens to ask PhilKC
[18:25] <P4C0> Luke771, same here... (Panamá), only latin-american and us qwerty keyboards
[18:25] <Luke771> well at least you can get the us one
[18:27] <P4C0> Luke771, yes, but the difference is like 4 keys... so better to get the latinamerican one or the spanish one... (that one i really like... impossible to get here tho), i mean i can type english good with a latam keyboard but not the opposite
[18:27] <Luke771> i can only get the italian keyboard and I hate it because 1 - it makes wide use of alt-gr, 2- it doesn't have the ~ sign (it does on Linux but not on windows, and it's well hidden) and 3 - hotkeys cheat sheet always refer to US keyboards
[18:27] <Luke771> well you can type spanish on any keyboared as long at it has ~
[18:27] <Luke771> ñ
[18:27] <P4C0> by ~ you mean ñ ?
[18:28] <Luke771> yeah
[18:28] <P4C0> the n with the ~ on top?
[18:28] <Luke771> yeah
[18:28] <P4C0> yes
[18:28] <Luke771> that's done ~ + n on non spanish keyboards
[18:28] <Luke771> and we're going way OT
[18:28] <P4C0> yes :p
[18:28] <toad_> :)
[18:28] <Luke771> this kind of discussions should happen on #freenet-chat
[18:29] * toad_ agrees with that
[18:29] <toad_> entertaining though it may be
[18:30] <Luke771> it surely is but I tend to switch them to -chat if they last more than a few minutes, mostly for the logs (people searching trough the logs have it easier if there's little OT)
[18:35] <P4C0> it's normal that when i download a file, in progress it shows it's name but then after it's comple it's stored in the downloads with the key as name?
[18:36] <Luke771> happened to me too
[18:36] <Luke771> i guess it's a bug
[18:36] <Luke771> I havent seen that for a while now
[18:37] <P4C0> at least i'm in linux and have the file command... i supposed windows users will go crazy :p
[18:38] <Luke771> not really, you can just rename the file
[18:38] <Luke771> as long as you know what it is...
[18:38] <Luke771> you can compare the key with the one in the queue page
[18:38] <Luke771> but yes, that's a PITA
[18:39] <P4C0> hmm for me when it gets download it shows: downloads/MfeZlMXJZja-FfLA6Yyqf~e8HdH5r3-WsxGtUxUOdyE 1.25 MiB application/octet-stream (in the queue as completed)
[18:39] <Luke771> i have these three nodes disconnected since 8 weeks... should I delete them, or wait to septenmer (you never know, summer, travels, holydays...)
[18:39] <toad_> hmmm
[18:39] <toad_> file a bug
[18:39] <toad_> hmmm
[18:39] <Luke771> P4C0: does it happen always? with every single download?
[18:40] <toad_> well usually it happens when you've downloaded files with the same filename before ... that would cause it to change the identifier though, not the filename
[18:40] <P4C0> well i have only download 2 files... and it happened
[18:40] <Luke771> to both?
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[18:40] <Luke771> that's better
[18:40] <toad_> P4C0: the identifier was the original filename?
[18:41] <P4C0> yup... i have 2 mores on queue: downloads/fms-linux-i386-bin-0.2.20.tar.gz 730 KiB application/x-gzip and downloads/frost-04-Mar-2008.zip 5.52 MiB application/zip they show allright but also was the other one before complete
[18:41] <toad_> nOgAnOo: ummm thanks for sharing
[18:41] <P4C0> toad_, yes
[18:42] <nOgAnOo> Umm.. I just got served.
[18:42] <P4C0> where can i file the bug?
[18:42] <nOgAnOo> It wasn't me who made that nick..
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[18:46] <toad_> fair enough
[18:46] <Luke771> P4C0: https//bugs.freenetproject.org
[18:46] <Luke771> (IIRC)
[18:47] <Luke771> yes it is https//bugs.freenetproject.org
[18:47] <P4C0> thanks
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[19:03] <P4C0> will that be as content-filter? hmm what's TMCI ?
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[19:20] <P4C0> hmm seems that this doesn't happens always... should I still file the bug? maybe as random?
[19:22] <Cooo> If you can't find a way to reproduce everytime I guess random would be ok.
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[22:51] <Cooo> Anyone awake @ this time?
[22:52] <saces> define 'awake' *g*
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[22:52] <Cooo> If you wanted to try Linux or change Linux dist. Would you consider downloading the dist from Freenet?
[22:53] <saces> nobody (external) knows you have it ;)
[22:54] <toad_> exactly, that's the great thing about apt-get-over-freenet
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[22:59] <saces> today i had have my second python lessen ;)
[22:59] <toad_> :)
[22:59] <saces> USK@MYLAnId-ZEyXhDGGbYOa1gOtkZZrFNTXjFl1dibLj9E,Xpu27DoAKKc8b0718E-ZteFrGqCYROe7XBBJI57pB4M,AQACAAE/pyFreenetHg/1/
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[23:00] <saces> tomorrow is 2b.
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[23:02] <saces> the insert code is in (the hg stuff needs black magic), but needs glued togever
[23:03] <toad_> cool
[23:03] <Cooo> Linux download from FreeNet might be interesting then.
[23:04] <toad_> when you've finished playing with plugins maybe you should think about updating plugins from mercurial-over-freenet, with some kind of revocation/delay/code dispute system for security
[23:04] <toad_> that might form a prototype of a next generation architecture for auto-updating for freenet itself
[23:05] <toad_> there is a java compiler API but you do need the JDK installed to use it
[23:07] <saces> the idea for plugins: a small file (SFS) describes the plugin: where to get (url, freeneturi), revoke source, dependicies
[23:08] <saces> the plugins itselfs stay more or less unchanged
[23:11] <saces> the installer but a few descriptors (for official plugins) in, the user can install them with a "single click"
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[23:11] <saces> the installer put...
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[23:29] <toad_> saces: makes sense
[23:29] <toad_> saces: especially we need plugin dependancies and updating over freenet
[23:29] <toad_> saces: imho both of those are pretty important for 0.8
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