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[2:29] <Mr_Giraffe> hey, i can't get fms to work at all, and i don't know why
[2:29] <Mr_Giraffe> i have thunderbird configured correctly (i think), and for a time it said my ID was announced, but now it's saying it isn't and i can't post any messages...
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[2:51] <Mr_Giraffe> hmm
[2:51] <Mr_Giraffe> did anyone answer that question?
[3:20] <mrdmx> perhaps you're not downloading the trust list of the persom whom you announced to
[3:21] <mrdmx> or maybe he eliminated you from his trust list because you didnt post anything for some time
[3:21] <mrdmx> i have you in my trust list
[3:22] <mrdmx> yeah, you're not in SomeDudes trust list anymore
[3:24] <Mr_Giraffe> huh, odd
[3:24] <Mr_Giraffe> well then, what to do?>
[3:26] <mrdmx> announce again?
[3:26] <mrdmx> or trust someone else other than somedude
[3:27] <mrdmx> most people have you in their trust lists
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[3:28] <Mr_Giraffe> huh, well ok
[3:30] <Mr_Giraffe> i wish there was a little more documentation on FMS
[3:31] <mrdmx-bbl> for what?
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[3:31] <mrdmx> actually, you dont have to trust anyone else, you should have your own identity in your trust list anyway, right?
[3:31] <Mr_Giraffe> well just on how things work, how to use the system in general
[3:32] <Mr_Giraffe> maybe, i dunno
[3:32] <Mr_Giraffe> am i supposed to? the documentation i saw didn't seem to clear on it
[3:34] <TheSeeker> Add some trust list trust (>50) to at least a few people (ideally people you know)
[3:34] <Mr_Giraffe> righto
[3:35] <TheSeeker> you'll download their trust lists, and the trust lists of people they trust. you'll see your own identity in some of those lists, and you'll know you're announced
[3:35] <TheSeeker> or is it just their trust lists, and the message lists of the people they trust?
[3:36] <TheSeeker> in any case, things should start working :P
[3:37] <Mr_Giraffe> awesome
[3:37] <Mr_Giraffe> and uh...what's the difference between trust list trust and message trust?
[3:40] <TheSeeker> message trust is what you use to see if you want to download a person's messages. trust list trust is about how much you agree with how someone else trusts people's messages.
[3:41] <Mr_Giraffe> ooh
[3:41] <Mr_Giraffe> makes sense!
[3:43] <TheSeeker> in your options you can select a threshhold that determines how much peer message trust an ID must have to download their messages. If Adam filters out content you like to have filtered out (spam, auto reply bots) then you can add trust list trust to Adam and your peer message trust will probably be very low for spammers and autoreply bots.
[3:44] <TheSeeker> that way if Adam sees spam before you, and alters his trust list, then you never see the spam at all.
[3:45] <Mr_Giraffe> neat
[3:45] <TheSeeker> There's pretty much two camps on trust list trust usage:
[3:45] <TheSeeker> 1) The camp that says that ONLY spammers should be modded down. (probem: define 'spam' such that all agree)
[3:46] <Mr_Giraffe> yeah, i've been reading the boards
[3:47] <TheSeeker> 2) the camp that says that everyone should filter out whatever content they don't want to see, and figures the system will work itself out. (problem, potential of filtering out people before others have a chance to see what was filtered)
[3:51] <Mr_Giraffe> exactly
[3:51] <Mr_Giraffe> tyranny of the majority
[3:52] <Mr_Giraffe> i think i sit somewhere in between, free speech is awesome but promotion of activities that infringe on basic human rights is something i won't agree with
[3:55] <TheSeeker> "Free speech for all except those I don't like." ;p
[3:56] <Mr_Giraffe> not quite!
[3:57] <TheSeeker> "Free speech for all except those with moral principals I oppose" ?
[3:57] <Mr_Giraffe> hmm, closer
[3:57] <Mr_Giraffe> but more like...
[3:57] <Mr_Giraffe> free speech for all except those who actively want to infringe on the basic rights of others
[3:58] <TheSeeker> so you have no problem with spammers.
[3:58] <Mr_Giraffe> well, spammers too :P
[3:58] <Mr_Giraffe> i guess that depends though
[3:58] <Mr_Giraffe> on the spam, i mean, if it's just 10,000 messages saying "lol" then that seems pretty useless and unwarranted
[3:59] <TheSeeker> it doesn't infringe on anything, it's just annoying.
[3:59] <Mr_Giraffe> right
[3:59] <TheSeeker> so you wouldn't mark down the "lol bot"?
[4:00] <Mr_Giraffe> i would mark down a bot that did that
[4:00] <Mr_Giraffe> but if somebody posted something that for some reason was important (i dunno, go with me) then i might let it slide
[4:00] <Mr_Giraffe> i don't like the idea of my actions influencing everyone else, though D:
[4:00] <TheSeeker> so, free speech for all except people that violate other people's rights, and annoying people :P
[4:01] <Mr_Giraffe> yep! :3
[4:02] <TheSeeker> well, you can always make a post to the public.trust.lists board declaring yourself an EVIL CESOR! so others can lower their trust in your list and you'll have less weight in the peer trust calculations...
[4:02] <Mr_Giraffe> hahahahah
[4:04] <Mr_Giraffe> huh, it says "Posting failed" when i try to post...
[4:05] <TheSeeker> o.O
[4:05] <TheSeeker> you have an identity with same part before the @ that you're using as your 'real name' or email before the @ in Thunderbird?
[4:06] <Mr_Giraffe> my identity is Mr_Giraffe@(the key)
[4:06] <Mr_Giraffe> er, rather, that's my real name in thunderbird
[4:08] <TheSeeker> try changing your real name to just: Mr_Giraffe
[4:08] <Mr_Giraffe> k
[4:10] <Mr_Giraffe> huh, nope, still nothing
[4:10] <TheSeeker> so you can get messages, but not send them?
[4:11] <Mr_Giraffe> right
[4:12] <TheSeeker> odd
[4:13] <Mr_Giraffe> i'm using thunderbird on linux, though
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[4:16] <TheSeeker> running FMS 0.3.12 ?
[4:18] <Mr_Giraffe> ah, no
[4:18] <Mr_Giraffe> i think i'll take care of this tomorrow though, i'm awfully tired...
[4:20] <Mr_Giraffe> it says it couldn't connect to the news server
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[8:28] <packeteer> guys, i have an issue starting freenet using latest jre
[8:28] <packeteer> INFO | jvm 5 | 2008/07/20 18:24:30 | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: freenet/node/NodeStarter
[8:28] <packeteer> any ideas?
[8:29] <Luke771> first of all, what is 'latest jre'? Sun's java 6?
[8:30] <Luke771> and second of all, are you starting freenet without wrapper?
[8:30] <packeteer> Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0_07-b06)
[8:31] <Luke771> that line looks to me (but I'm no expert) like you're trying to start freenet using freenet/node/NodeStarter while the correct line should include freenet.node.NodeStarter
[8:31] <packeteer> running-> ./run.sh start
[8:31] <Luke771> hm..
[8:31] <Luke771> try getting a an updated run.sh off the freenet website, just in case
[8:31] <packeteer> mmk
[8:31] <Luke771> downloads.freenetproject.org/java ...something
[8:41] <packeteer> cant see any newer run scripts
[8:45] <Luke771> wait
[8:45] <Luke771> lol
[8:46] <Luke771> I typed java instead of alpha ir was (address)/alpha
[8:46] <Luke771> anyways I'm looking for the exact address
[8:47] <Luke771> hmm... you're right I can0t find it either
[8:47] <Luke771> riun update.sh, it should fecth all the files' latest version
[8:47] <Luke771> run*
[8:48] <Luke771> once you're there, get the latest updqate.sh from http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/update/update.sh
[9:03] <packeteer> update fixed it
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[9:26] <TheSeeker> java -cp freenet.jar;freenet-ext.jar freenet.node.NodeStarter
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[13:45] <Mr_Giraffe> hmm
[13:46] <Mr_Giraffe> so i can't post on FMS no matter what reader i use to do so
[13:48] <|mrdmx|> what error do you get?
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[13:55] <Mr_Giraffe> well, on thunderbird it says: "A News (NNTP) error occurred: Make sure the identity you are posting with exists!"
[13:55] <Mr_Giraffe> and then...
[13:57] <Mr_Giraffe> "Sending of message failed. The message could not be posted because connecting to the news server failed. The server may be unavailable or refusing connections. Please verify that your news server setting is correct and try again, or else contact your network administrator."
[13:58] <mrdmx> did you get the latest version of fms?
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[13:59] <Mr_Giraffe> not yet, will it not work if i didn't?
[13:59] <Mr_Giraffe> because i can get new messages...
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[14:00] <mrdmx> dunno, but install it
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[16:00] <ryanakca> Could someone help me get freenet setup on Ubuntu 8.04? I'm installing with new_installer.jar , the logs are available at http://pastebin.ca/1077583 and my java version is java version "1.6.0" OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b09) OpenJDK Client VM (build 1.6.0-b09, mixed mode, sharing)
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[16:10] <reflect> ryanakca, openjdk has a bug. you need to replace it with the sun jre instead
[16:10] <ryanakca> reflect: thanks :)
[16:13] <ryanakca> reflect: hmm... and if I said sun-java6-jre was installed, how would I force java to use it instead of openjdk? (Take it to #java/##java ?)
[16:14] <reflect> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java this one explains how to make the sun java the default one
[16:16] <reflect> I'm just assuming you're running ubuntu, btw..
[16:18] <ryanakca> reflect: thanks :)
[16:18] <reflect> hope it works out well
[16:20] <ryanakca> reflect: did, hurra, thanks ;)
[16:41] <ryanakca> Wouldn't forwarding the two UDP ports on your router make it obvious to anybody who portscans you that you're running freenet?
[16:43] <reflect> yeah.. and if you're worried, you should change them to something else
[16:46] <ryanakca> ok
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[17:06] <Zaset> Hi, i have a little problme while trying to install freenet. When i run "java -jar /path/to/new_installer.jar" i get the GUI and i can move the windows around but i can't choose lang and i can't click in OK. So i'm stuck. I'm using Ubuntu 8.04. So what have i missed?
[17:06] <Zaset> got to eat but will answer questions when i get back
[17:08] <reflect> java -version gives you what, OpenJDK?
[17:12] <nextgens> hi
[17:12] <nextgens> reflect> put some instructions up on a wiki page and I will make the installer point to it
[17:13] <nextgens> users don't read FAQs :/
[17:13] <reflect> now, don't generalise.. some users don't read FAQs. ;)
[17:16] * ryanakca smiles guiltily
[17:17] <reflect> it's a threshold.. I'm guilty of it myself.. it's easier to ask, than it is to find out yourself
[17:17] <reflect> you first need to be aware that you're doing it, before you can change it
[17:19] <ryanakca> methinks more communities should adopt the Debian new user philosophy... here's a hint, figure it out yourself (at least that's the way I found it when I first used it a few years ago... ) Learned more that way than with people just giving me the answer straight out
[17:20] <ryanakca> (well, that philosophy is unofficial, and might be a huge over generalisation... just the way I perceived it)
[17:22] <TheSeeker> they should rename MAN to RTFM ... or put a symlink in there or something. :P
[17:26] <Zaset> i have readed the FAQ and have used alot of different linux dist so i'm not a 14 year old CS-geek that think he's cool because he use linux.
[17:27] <reflect> it's often very good to ask questions, to make the person think.. and make them come up with the answer themselves
[17:27] <Zaset> java -version "1.5.0
[17:27] <reflect> that way, they learn too.. problem is it takes time for the "guide"
[17:28] <reflect> Zaset, then, the contents of ~/Freenet/wrapper.log , paste that to http://code.bulix.org
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[17:29] <reflect> or where ever you installed Freenet to
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[17:31] <Zaset> http://code.bulix.org/vedy0v-67632?raw
[17:34] <Zaset> oh man
[17:34] <Zaset> pasted
[17:34] <Zaset> .conf
[17:34] <Zaset> sorry
[17:34] <Zaset> a bit tierd
[17:36] <Zaset> http://code.bulix.org/sn6hji-67633
[17:36] <Zaset> that should be the log
[17:36] <kork> http://code.bulix.org/9su1oh-67619 wtf is that? =D
[17:38] <Zaset> kork: i would guess that it's message that say's " Liudmila I love you". But heck what do i know ;)
[17:38] <kork> Zaset: :P
[17:39] <reflect> oh, that's pretty.
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[18:19] <Mr_Giraffe> bah
[18:19] <Mr_Giraffe> it's STILL saying my identity isn't announced and that i can't post ;_;
[18:19] <Mr_Giraffe> (on fms)
[18:23] <Dieppe> Mr_Giraffe: have you tried to post even if it says you can't ?
[18:23] <Dieppe> sometimes it works
[18:23] <reflect> Mr_Giraffe, it works, I replied to your post in test
[18:23] <Mr_Giraffe> huh, odd
[18:24] <Mr_Giraffe> ah, maybe pan works then but thunderbird doesn't...
[18:32] <Mr_Giraffe> reflect, it's good that you replied to that test post, but it's not showing up when i check on fms
[18:34] <reflect> well, as with most things on freenet.. you need to have lots of patience :)
[18:34] <Mr_Giraffe> hahahaha, true enough
[18:35] <reflect> as long as you can read messages, you're OK.. start to use it
[18:36] <reflect> don't worry about what the web interface says.. that goes by downloading a list from someone else, and the first one it downloads which references you, then it says "you're announced"
[18:37] <reflect> if you're lucky, it's very fast.. if not, it could take a day or two.. so start using it and it'll be faster
[18:37] <Mr_Giraffe> kk
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