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[1:22] <zerwas> man i think i haven't understood freenet yet. Is it right that - when i disabled opennet - i can only see the content that my friends (and their friends) added to the network?
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[3:32] <wes^saved> this is important re: the new messaging system:
[3:32] <wes^saved> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=1418
[3:32] <wes^saved> That is all
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[4:48] <TheSeeker> freenet news on zdnet?
[4:48] <TheSeeker> ah, no
[4:51] <TheSeeker> see, thing is, those accounts can be used to spam your email to try to get you to buy shit or give away your personal info. anyone stupid enough to buy anything over freenet, orgive over personal info deserves what they get. That said, the incentive to hack FMS's captcha system is very low, and creation of users even with a bot would be several orders of magnitude slower.
[4:57] <Luke771> looks to me like the FMS captchas are way harder to break
[4:57] <Luke771> hell they're difficult to solve for a guy with a 20/20 vision...
[5:08] <TheSeeker> nah, they have simple rules, solid colored letters, single font, not that difficult cmoparatively speaking to some of the nonlinear warping / fracturing of multi-font stuff you see on some web registration forms.
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[12:16] <Tarantuka> hi
[12:16] <Tarantuka> Hi everybody
[12:17] <Tarantuka> Does anyone knows if Toad_ is around
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[12:20] <toad_> Tarantuka: hey
[12:21] <toad_> Tarantuka: i set up a darknet of two nodes on the same computer and tried a bunch of inserts... they all worked
[12:21] <toad_> granted they weren't as fast as i might hope for, but they did work
[12:21] <Tarantuka> Was it fast?
[12:21] <Tarantuka> Yes, I spent like 48hours to insert a video for testings
[12:22] <toad_> not as fast as it should be, there hasn't been much optimisation on that scenario
[12:22] * toad_ inserted a small video in a couple of hours iirc
[12:22] <toad_> or something in that region
[12:22] <toad_> 66MB
[12:22] <toad_> less than that in facrt
[12:22] <Tarantuka> Do you think you could find a way to make it faster, or you have no idea how to improve that
[12:22] <toad_> a 400MB video in a few hours
[12:23] <toad_> it's not really a priority at the moment, it might be possible to introduce some hacks, but i dunno
[12:23] <Tarantuka> Hmm. Thats bad for me.
[12:23] <toad_> yeah you're probably going to have to go with a VPN
[12:23] <toad_> depending on your performance requirements
[12:24] <toad_> sorry :|
[12:24] <toad_> for smallish files it'd be fine of course
[12:25] <Tarantuka> Hmm. Dont you think I could try to look in sources and disable some checks that make it slow?
[12:25] <toad_> even for largish files, it'd be okay, depending on what time is acceptable
[12:26] <toad_> what was your experience inserting files? how big, and how long?
[12:26] <Tarantuka> It was a 699MB file, and took like 36 hours
[12:27] <toad_> hmmm it was much faster for me
[12:27] <toad_> maybe because it was on localhost, and only two nodes... you had more nodes iirc?
[12:27] <Tarantuka> I will have more nodes in the future, but not many
[12:28] <toad_> well how many were you testing with?
[12:28] <Tarantuka> At home, only 2. At work, we will have like 8 in a few months.
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[12:29] <toad_> you could try reducing the max HTL
[12:29] <Tarantuka> Do you know what is happening during this time?
[12:29] <toad_> well, there are several things going on
[12:29] <Tarantuka> HTL? I saw that parameter in configuration
[12:30] <toad_> one, the default HTL is 10 and drop probability is 10%
[12:30] <toad_> you cut HTL to 5 and turn off probabilistic drop (not sure if that's configurable atm), it will work a bit better on an 8 node network
[12:30] <toad_> at the moment, it will try to propagate the data to every node on the network, and it will attempt that twice before accepting that a block has been inserted
[12:31] <toad_> two, load limiting
[12:31] <toad_> if i go to the stats page, click on advanced, and then look at the load limiting box, the top line is:
[12:31] <toad_> CHK Request RTT=2.202s delay=0.156s bw=210051B/sec
[12:32] <toad_> ah wrong one
[12:32] <Tarantuka> Im looking at it right now. brb
[12:32] <toad_> CHK Insert RTT=0.184s delay=0.020s bw=1638400B/sec
[12:32] <toad_> that's a bit further down
[12:32] <toad_> it sends an insert every 184ms for a total insert bandwidth of 1.6MB/sec
[12:32] <toad_> what does yours say?
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[12:33] <Tarantuka> should I restart my node after changing parameters?
[12:33] <toad_> not yet
[12:33] <toad_> what does it say for CHK Insert RTT etc?
[12:34] <Tarantuka> CHK Insert RTT=31,616s delay=0,698s bw=46945B/sec
[12:34] <toad_> okay so it's only inserting at 46K/sec
[12:34] <toad_> what's "Global window" ?
[12:34] <Tarantuka> hmm# Global window: 45.290719484406615
[12:35] <toad_> hmmm
[12:35] <toad_> then the problem is the RTT
[12:35] <toad_> i wonder why it is so high
[12:35] <Tarantuka> This is when Im trying to insert a 4MB MP3
[12:35] <toad_> these are two nodes on a LAN? or two nodes on localhost?
[12:35] <Tarantuka> on a LAN
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[12:35] <toad_> behind a NAT though?
[12:35] <toad_> go to the Friends page...
[12:36] <toad_> click advanced
[12:36] <Tarantuka> Not at home. It the same network
[12:36] <toad_> what ip address does it show for the other node? the lan address, or the internet address?
[12:36] <toad_> hmmm so it's two nodes on the work LAN? or more than two nodes on the work LAN?
[12:37] <Tarantuka> lan adress
[12:38] <toad_> okay, so it's connected properly ... hmmm
[12:38] <Tarantuka> ll my tests have been made activatingg the "show local adress in reference".
[12:38] <toad_> and because it's not doing anything at the moment, the congestion control field says 4096B/sec delay 250ms ... ?
[12:39] <Tarantuka> where is that field?
[12:39] <toad_> in advanced, near the end of the window on the right
[12:40] * toad_ has added a big insert to his test setup..
[12:40] <Tarantuka> 16786B/sec delay 61ms (RTT 107ms window 1.7521307468414307)
[12:40] <toad_> it takes a little while to get started, it always tries to compress the data first
[12:40] <toad_> Tarantuka: you have an insert going at the moment?
[12:40] <Tarantuka> yes
[12:40] <Tarantuka> an audio files 5MB
[12:41] <toad_> does the node show up as CONNECTED or as BACKED OFF ?
[12:41] <Tarantuka> connected
[12:42] <Tarantuka> ut I know that these days at work with 3 nodes, one of them was backed off. But not at home with 2 nodes
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[12:43] <toad_> so you've tested it with 3, but at the moment you have 2?
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[12:43] <Tarantuka> Ive tested it with 3 and more at work. But at home I only have 2 computers
[12:45] <Tarantuka> Ive restarted my node to be sure the parameters HTL are correctly integrated
[12:45] <toad_> okay, my insert has started, the CHK Insert RTT is falling, so far the link speed doesn't seem to be affected
[12:46] <kork> # Total Input: 7.93 GiB (34.9 KiB/sec)
[12:46] <kork> # Total Output: 12.2 GiB (54.1 KiB/sec)
[12:46] <kork> 55K, not bad
[12:46] <toad_> kork: very nice!
[12:46] <Tarantuka> after reloading # CHK Insert RTT=1m38s delay=2,134s bw=15355B/sec
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[12:46] <toad_> yikes, why so long?
[12:46] <Tarantuka> but that for a 1.29MB. and its slow
[12:46] <toad_> you have appropriate bandwidth limits set on *both* sides?
[12:47] <toad_> and the input bandwidth limits are still at the default of -1 ?
[12:47] <Tarantuka> let me check
[12:47] <toad_> 30 seconds is insane on a lan
[12:47] * toad_ has 3 seconds here, and falling
[12:47] <toad_> 327K/sec equivalent insert bandwidth and rising
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[12:48] <Tarantuka> yes, its -1
[12:48] * toad_ wonders if localhost traffic isn't subject to congestion control but maybe lan traffic is...
[12:49] <toad_> ok
[12:49] <toad_> hmmm
[12:49] <toad_> well i could set up something on lan rather than localhost ... i'd like you to verify that that is the problem first
[12:50] <toad_> please set up two nodes on *the same computer* and network them over localhost, and verify that inserts work fast
[12:50] <toad_> that shouldn't take long
[12:50] <toad_> then highlight me (say my name: toad_: it doesn't work etc), and i'll get back to you
[12:50] <toad_> ok?
[12:51] <toad_> it looks like it might be a lan-specific issue
[12:51] <toad_> Tarantuka: what's your CHK Insert thingy now?
[12:52] <Tarantuka> ok
[12:52] <toad_> Tarantuka: has it improved?
[12:53] <Tarantuka> Im not sur how to set up two nodes on the same localhost
[12:53] <toad_> pretty much same as over a lan
[12:54] <toad_> you just need to install twice, the installer will automatically use different ports if there is already a node running
[12:54] <Tarantuka> Yes, but how to start two nodes on the samz computer
[12:54] <Tarantuka> ok
[12:56] <Tarantuka> please wait while Im installing the second time
[12:56] <toad_> Tarantuka: please tell me what your CHK Insert stat says first though
[12:56] <kork> wow, awesome. I just fired up a completely new opennet node, and the metadata to my linux iso insert from weeks ago loaded in less than a minute
[12:56] <Tarantuka> while inserting file?
[12:56] <toad_> yeah
[12:57] <toad_> kork: the ubuntu one?
[12:57] <toad_> or the debian one?
[12:57] <kork> toad_: nah, "red flag", the chinese one
[12:57] <toad_> ah
[12:57] <toad_> i'm not fetching that atm, but have been recently
[12:57] <kork> care to give me the ubuntu + debian links?
[12:58] <kork> (sorry for interrupting :|)
[12:58] <toad_> they're both on cooo's site, with a slackware one
[12:58] <toad_> cooo's how to test db4o site
[12:58] <Tarantuka> # CHK Insert RTT=2m18s delay=2,983s bw=10984B/sec, but not sure the insert already started
[12:58] <kork> okay :)
[12:59] <Cooo> toad_: Not my site. Luke771;s site.
[12:59] <toad_> right
[13:00] <Tarantuka> # CHK Insert RTT=1m53s delay=2,440s bw=13429B/sec while inserting as you reqested
[13:01] <Tarantuka> should I install the second node on the locahost
[13:01] <toad_> Tarantuka: okay, if it's still going to be up then let me know how it changes
[13:01] <Tarantuka> ?
[13:01] <toad_> install it but don't connect it yet
[13:01] <toad_> over the progress of the insert, the CHK Insert RTT should improve dramatically
[13:01] <toad_> mine has reached:
[13:01] <toad_> CHK Insert RTT=0.625s delay=0.022s bw=1489454B/sec
[13:02] <toad_> i.e. 1.4MB/sec
[13:02] <Tarantuka> # CHK Insert RTT=1m8s delay=1,468s bw=22321B/sec now
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[13:03] <Tarantuka> # CHK Insert RTT=1m23s delay=1,801s bw=18194B/sec
[13:03] <Tarantuka> its getting worse...
[13:03] <toad_> hmmm
[13:03] <toad_> bizarre
[13:04] <toad_> okay paste it once a minute or so for say 5 minutes
[13:04] <Tarantuka> Someting about the install, I never install MDSN and XMLLib
[13:04] <Tarantuka> # CHK Insert RTT=2m36s delay=3,355s bw=9766B/sec
[13:05] <toad_> ouch
[13:05] <toad_> not good
[13:06] <toad_> what does the congestion control field say? is the node listed as BACKED OFF ?
[13:06] <Tarantuka> 17355B/sec delay 59ms (RTT 114ms window 1.9304850101470947)
[13:06] <toad_> on Friends i mean
[13:07] <Tarantuka> yes, my LAN friend for the moment
[13:07] <Tarantuka> # CHK Insert RTT=4m54s delay=6,318s bw=5186B/sec
[13:08] <toad_> well look at the Friends page, is it backed off, what's the congestion control field, etc?
[13:08] <Tarantuka> it s connected and 21333B/sec delay 48ms (RTT 116ms window 2.3811163902282715)
[13:09] <toad_> hmmm
[13:09] <toad_> is that rising?
[13:09] <Tarantuka> # CHK Insert RTT=4m59s delay=6,422s bw=5102B/sec
[13:10] <toad_> eeeeeee
[13:10] <Tarantuka> 29257B/sec delay 35ms (RTT 107ms window 3.0316858291625977)
[13:10] <toad_> do you have "throttle local traffic" enabled in the configuration under node in the advanced config?
[13:11] <Tarantuka> set to false
[13:12] <toad_> hmmm
[13:12] <toad_> well clearly it IS throttling the traffic anyway...
[13:12] <toad_> hmmm
[13:12] <toad_> 1sec, i need to commit what i'm working on
[13:12] <Tarantuka> ok
[13:13] <toad_> and start a new test upload...
[13:15] <Tarantuka> no problem
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[13:17] <toad_> it looks like it is throttling localhost traffic ... now are you 100% sure that they are connected over localhost?
[13:17] <toad_> i mean lan traffic?
[13:17] <toad_> is there any way you can investigate this at a network level?
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[13:18] <toad_> do you have any packet sniffing tools that could tell you for certain?
[13:19] <toad_> if not, that's okay, there are other ways to approach the problem
[13:19] <toad_> first, go to the configuration page, go to advanced mode, go to logger
[13:20] <toad_> go to the "Detailed priority thresholds" box
[13:20] <toad_> set it to freenet.io.xfer.PacketThrottle:MINOR
[13:21] <toad_> then give it 30 seconds or so, and send me your logs/freenet-latest.log (or the last part of it)
[13:21] <Tarantuka> ok, im doing it right now
[13:21] <toad_> this is all on the node which is sending the insert, of course
[13:22] <Tarantuka> ok, so I should insert a file I think
[13:22] <toad_> yes if you're not already inserting one then insert one
[13:22] <toad_> anything, but please something legal
[13:23] <toad_> since i may be able to see the filename from the logs
[13:23] <toad_> also reasonably large, a few megs is probably fine
[13:24] <Tarantuka> Ive just start an insert
[13:24] <toad_> okay...
[13:25] <Tarantuka> MSN Installer.exe 17MB
[13:25] <toad_> wait until it's actually sending i.e. there's a progress bar and the CHK Insert thingy is changing
[13:25] <Tarantuka> not yet
[13:27] <Tarantuka> still
[13:28] <Tarantuka> I dont know why, but its still not starting
[13:28] <toad_> you did the logging change?
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[13:28] <toad_> it has to compress it and then split it, it's okay
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[13:29] <toad_> hi batosai
[13:29] <toad_> how's the WoT plugin?
[13:29] <batosai> hi
[13:30] <batosai> it's been paused for a while, but I'm on holidays now
[13:31] <batosai> you should see the commits comming next days ;)
[13:31] <toad_> Tarantuka: is it live yet?
[13:32] <infinity0> guys, can the people in charge of freenetlogbot get it to keep a track of people it's already informed of the logging?
[13:32] <infinity0> i find it anonying that it pokes me every time i join this room :/
[13:32] <Tarantuka> Ohh wait Ive just seen this message Temp files error: C:\Users\Public\Downloads\Install_Messenger.exe (Accès refusé)
[13:33] <toad_> oops
[13:33] <toad_> for some reason freenet can't read the file :(
[13:33] <Tarantuka> Im trying another file somewhere else
[13:33] <Tarantuka> just a second
[13:33] <Tarantuka> ok
[13:33] <Tarantuka> I have the progress bar
[13:34] <Tarantuka> and the file is a kubunto iso of 17 MB
[13:34] <toad_> ok, give it a minute or two and then send me your logs/freenet-latest.log
[13:34] <toad_> you did make the logging changes i mentioned?
[13:34] <Tarantuka> yes
[13:34] <Tarantuka> I did
[13:35] <nextgens> hi
[13:36] <Tarantuka> do u still need my freenet-latest.log
[13:36] <nextgens> toad_> Tarantuka's file isn't legal: he doesn't have the redistribution right for it, does he?
[13:37] <Tarantuka> a kubuntu file is totally free I think
[13:37] * nextgens found a NPE in the config framework
[13:37] <toad_> nextgens: he's not connected to the wider network
[13:37] <toad_> nextgens: so i don't see that it's a problem
[13:37] <toad_> Tarantuka: yes send me it
[13:37] <nextgens> fair enough
[13:38] <Tarantuka> How can I send you the file?
[13:38] <toad_> how big is it?
[13:38] <Tarantuka> 17MB
[13:39] <toad_> compress it
[13:39] <nextgens> can't his problem be related to PacketThrottle.getBandwidth() not returning values bigger than 44K ?
[13:39] <toad_> it should compress well
[13:39] <Tarantuka> But Im sure Kubuntu is totally free
[13:39] <toad_> nextgens: it doesn't?
[13:39] <Tarantuka> # CHK Insert RTT=3m26s delay=4,378s bw=7484B/sec
[13:39] <toad_> oooooh
[13:40] <toad_> okay so there are two bugs we can fix here
[13:40] <Tarantuka> ? Im interested in that
[13:41] <toad_> well, first we need to determine why it is even trying to throttle packets on a LAN connection
[13:41] <toad_> then we need to make MIN_DELAY configurable
[13:41] <Tarantuka> In 8 minutes, Im at that progress 38/1048
[13:41] <toad_> Tarantuka: you compressed the file? how big is it now?
[13:42] <toad_> if it's under a few megs then email me it
[13:42] <toad_> toad at amphibian.dyndns.org
[13:42] <nextgens> there is a setting for throttling local traffic or not
[13:42] <nextgens> get his freenet.ini too :)
[13:42] <Tarantuka> after compress its still 16MB
[13:43] <Tarantuka> you want me to try with something else?
[13:43] <Tarantuka> A pdf that is totally free
[13:43] <toad_> no, kubuntu is fine
[13:43] <toad_> nextgens: that's disabled
[13:43] <toad_> Tarantuka: yeah send me your freenet.ini as well
[13:44] <toad_> Tarantuka: that's bizarre
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[13:44] <toad_> Tarantuka: what file are we talking about? <freenet directory>/logs/freenet-latest.log, right?
[13:44] <toad_> it should be one of the most compressible files you will ever find
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[13:44] <Tarantuka> how can I send it to amphibian.dydns.org?
[13:45] <Tarantuka> you mean mail?
[13:45] <toad_> toad at
[13:45] <toad_> yeah but not if it's 16MB
[13:45] <toad_> did you use winzip/gzip?
[13:45] <Tarantuka> I used winrar
[13:46] <toad_> and it compressed a 17MB file to 16MB?!?!?!?!
[13:46] <toad_> can you stick it somewhere on the web?
[13:46] <toad_> i suppose that would take ages just to upload...
[13:46] <kork> rapidshare.com
[13:46] <kork> finally, legal content there
[13:46] * kork ducks
[13:47] <toad_> are you sure you're not missing a place value or something?
[13:47] <Tarantuka> Im gonna insert that file http://20minutes.s3.amazonaws.com/20080711_PAR.pdf
[13:47] <Tarantuka> a french free newspaper. No worry about it
[13:48] <toad_> your inserts are not the immediate problem :|
[13:48] <toad_> how big exactly is the .rar file containing freenet-latest.log ?
[13:49] * nextgens is trying to write a unit-test to prevent regressions on his bugfix
[13:51] <Tarantuka> ok sorry
[13:51] <Tarantuka> you want me to compress latest log
[13:51] <Tarantuka> I have to stop my node cause the file is in use
[13:52] <toad_> copy it
[13:52] <toad_> you should be able to copy it while the node is in use
[13:52] <toad_> and then compress the copy
[13:52] <Tarantuka> now its 575MB
[13:52] <Tarantuka> Not compressed
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[13:52] <toad_> ah
[13:52] <toad_> okay
[13:52] <Tarantuka> Im copying it and gonna compress it
[13:52] <toad_> well is there somewhere you could send it?
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[13:54] <Tarantuka> hey
[13:54] <Tarantuka> I just sent you a rar of logs
[13:54] <Tarantuka> it seems freenet compress some logs by itself
[13:54] <Tarantuka> I had a lot of compres logs from today. That might help you
[13:55] <Tarantuka> maybe you really want the latest logs
[13:55] <toad_> they have to be after you set the config i mentioned
[13:56] <Tarantuka> ok, Im compresing my 600MB current log file. I hope it will be a small size after that
[13:57] <Tarantuka> Im sorry. I wish it could be more simple to handle this. But I think it might help to improve the Darknet of freenet
[13:57] <Tarantuka> hmm its 8MB
[13:57] <toad_> send me it by email
[13:58] <Tarantuka> did you recieve my first email?
[13:59] <Tarantuka> Its now sending you the full logs. We need to wait the 8MB to be uploaded
[14:01] <toad_> ok
[14:01] <toad_> well there are two bugs here and i'd like to fix both of them
[14:02] <Tarantuka> Do you think it will help for what we have here?
[14:02] <toad_> yeah
[14:04] <Tarantuka> I dont want to rude. But I will have to leave in 5 min
[14:04] <toad_> well your email hasn't arrived yet :(
[14:05] <toad_> well, the second bug should be fixed in trunk
[14:05] <Tarantuka> its still in my outbox
[14:05] <toad_> get trunk ("update.cmd testing" on a command line in the freenet dir), this should fix most of your problems
[14:05] <toad_> well do you have to do anything to make it go?
[14:06] <toad_> get trunk, verify that it's SVN revision 21243 (on the homepage)
[14:06] <toad_> that will allow transfers of up to 1MB/sec to each peer
[14:06] <toad_> that will help, it may not solve the problem entirely
[14:06] <FreenetLogBot> r21243 (1153) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[14:07] <Tarantuka> new version found*
[14:07] <Tarantuka> shuting down freenet
[14:08] <Tarantuka> my 2 mails are gone. It must be in your mailbox in a few min
[14:08] <toad_> it's probably not the right version
[14:08] <Tarantuka> Only look at the big fog file.
[14:08] <Tarantuka> cause the mirrors were not up to date yet?
[14:09] <toad_> they will be soon
[14:09] <toad_> they should be now in fact
[14:09] <toad_> hopefully
[14:10] <Tarantuka> hmm. Update is taking a long time. So I will have to try the update after that one
[14:10] <Tarantuka> how long is it to update my version after I typed the command
[14:10] <toad_> just kill it and try again
[14:10] <toad_> some mirrors are faster than others
[14:12] <Tarantuka> Ok. Is it a problem that it says the node is not started
[14:12] <Tarantuka> the service is not started when he tries to kill it
[14:12] <FreenetLogBot> r21244 (1153) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[14:14] <toad_> no
[14:14] <toad_> well hopefully no
[14:15] <Tarantuka> hmmm. Please wait a second. Im reinstalling the offline version I had. And the will execute the line
[14:15] <Tarantuka> then
[14:17] <Tarantuka> Ok. I think I have to uninstall it and install it again
[14:19] <toad_> why would that fix it?
[14:19] <toad_> just run update.cmd testing
[14:19] <toad_> if it doesn't work tell us and post the output and we will fix it
[14:19] <toad_> reinstalling will get the latest stable version, not the trunk (beta) version that i want you to get
[14:19] <Tarantuka> No, but it saying that the specified service doesnt exist as an installed service (french translated)
[14:20] <toad_> ugh
[14:20] <toad_> well are you able to start and stop it manually?
[14:20] <toad_> anyway if you've already started reinstalling i suppose that's the best thing
[14:20] <toad_> i still haven't got your mail
[14:21] <Tarantuka> toad@amphibian.dydns.org is you mail?
[14:21] <toad_> yes
[14:21] <Tarantuka> so I sent it to this address
[14:21] <toad_> no
[14:21] <toad_> dyndns
[14:21] <toad_> with two n's
[14:23] <Tarantuka> toad@amphibian.dyndns.org;
[14:23] <Tarantuka> just forwarded it
[14:23] <toad_> right
[14:23] <Tarantuka> sorry
[14:23] <toad_> okay
[14:23] <toad_> did it include your freenet.ini?
[14:24] <Tarantuka> now yes
[14:24] <toad_> ok
[14:25] <Tarantuka> Im entering the command on my other computer
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[14:26] <Tarantuka> it seems to be better without error message
[14:26] <Tarantuka> I will fix my laptop with the errors later ^
[14:26] <Tarantuka> cause this is the one where I have the IRC and dont want to turn it off
[14:27] <Tarantuka> so the other computer is updating. I think so cause its written : Shutting down Freenet ... (this may take a moment..)
[14:28] <Tarantuka> still the same message asking to wait. Should I press Enter?
[14:29] <toad_> hmmm?
[14:29] <toad_> it's still shutting down?
[14:29] <Tarantuka> yes
[14:29] <Tarantuka> ok I pressed Enter
[14:29] <Tarantuka> Downloading new version
[14:30] <Tarantuka> restarting freenet
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[14:30] * irc Attila
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[14:30] <Tarantuka> Freenet 0.7 Build #1153 r21244 is my version
[14:31] <Attila> Hi,
[14:31] <Tarantuka> Is that good?
[14:31] <Attila> I've just installed freenet. How does this darknet thing work in practice?
[14:31] <Luke771> Attila: in practice, you need to know people who already run freenet for darknet to work
[14:32] <Luke771> if you don't know anyone who use freenet, you can enable opennet and it will work just as fine
[14:32] <Attila> And if none of my friends run freenet? Use opennet?
[14:32] <Luke771> yes opennet
[14:32] <Luke771> and also try to get some of your friends to run freenet
[14:32] <Attila> OK, I try that
[14:32] <Attila> Thanks, bye!
[14:32] <Luke771> cya
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[14:34] <Tarantuka> Toad. I just inserted Offline Freenet Install. 7MB in less than a minute
[14:34] <toad_> ok
[14:34] <toad_> so your problem is fixed? :)
[14:35] <Tarantuka> seems so
[14:35] <Tarantuka> Trying with a larger file 38MB
[14:35] <Tarantuka> How can I get the exe of that fix or something I could use at work?
[14:36] <Tarantuka> 38MB is still waiting, no status bar. But for the moment its normal I just inserted it a minute ago
[14:37] <Tarantuka> Hmmm its about to start
[14:37] <Tarantuka> Looks to be good. I will tell you when the 38 MB are totally inserted
[14:37] <toad_> two nodes connected, correct?
[14:37] <Tarantuka> no
[14:38] <toad_> hmmm?
[14:38] <Tarantuka> The one on my laptop is down and I can restart it
[14:38] <toad_> one node connected to one node?
[14:38] <Tarantuka> cause it crashed
[14:38] <toad_> ah well
[14:38] <toad_> local inserts will of course work fast
[14:38] <Tarantuka> So I will reinstall it tonight
[14:38] <Tarantuka> haa....
[14:38] <Tarantuka> Ok so I should make my other node restart
[14:38] <toad_> yeah
[14:39] <Tarantuka> ok, just 2 min
[14:41] <Tarantuka> my reinstall is stuck at register the service system ...
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[14:43] <toad_> :(
[14:43] <Luke771> did you uninstall the service before reinstallinmg it?
[14:45] <toad_> okay, first problem solved... we *do* do congestion control on localhost and lan packets
[14:46] <toad_> we just don't do the bandwidth limit
[14:46] <toad_> so r21243 should help
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[14:53] <Tarantuka> ok
[14:53] <Tarantuka> They are connected
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[14:57] <Tarantuka> Toad: How can I get the r21243 or 21244 as an exe or something like this
[14:58] <Tarantuka> CHK Insert RTT=0,439s delay=0,079s bw=414784B/sec
[14:59] <Tarantuka> CHK Insert RTT=9,980s delay=6,037s bw=5427B/sec
[14:59] <Tarantuka> Sometimes very fast, sometimes very slow?
[15:01] <toad_> Tarantuka: http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/freenet-r21244-snapshot.jar
[15:01] <toad_> replace your freenet.jar or freenet-stable-latest.jar with that
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[15:08] <toad_> Tarantuka: is it working then?
[15:09] <toad_> bbiab shopping, back in ~ 45 minutes
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[16:31] <toad_> rehi folks
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[16:33] <toad_> hi
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[16:51] <nextgens> toad_> trunk is broken
[16:51] <nextgens> hence his windows service has problems
[16:51] <toad_> ouch
[16:51] <toad_> i didn't do it ... :)
[16:52] <nextgens> a npe is thrown by the config framework
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[16:52] <nextgens> I wonder why that problem hasn't surfaced earlier on
[16:52] <nextgens> basically the problem is that we call Option.isDefault() before we finish the initialization
[16:53] <nextgens> I suspect a sync problem with FilePersistentConfig.innerStore
[16:53] <nextgens> I'll have a look soon
[16:58] <nextgens> how many packetManglers do we have? one for opennet and one for darknet?
[16:59] <toad_> yes iirc
[16:59] <nextgens> that explains the weird logging messages then
[16:59] <nextgens> (two rekeys a few milliseconds appart)
[17:00] <toad_> not entirely, why would they be coincidental?
[17:01] <nextgens> dunno
[17:01] <nextgens> will add more logging soonish
[17:01] <nextgens> atm I'm investigating why Node.myName is null when fproxy tries to access it
[17:13] <FreenetLogBot> Emu wasn't able to build r21253 -- see error message on http://emu.freenetproject.org/~svn-build/build-r21253.txt
[17:13] <nextgens> wtf ?
[17:15] <nextgens> probably a race condition
[17:15] <FreenetLogBot> Emu wasn't able to build r21254 -- see error message on http://emu.freenetproject.org/~svn-build/build-r21254.txt
[17:15] <toad_> emu shouldn't be trying to build that one
[17:18] <nextgens> I've forced the rebuild
[17:18] <nextgens> but it still doesn't work
[17:18] <nextgens> and I don't get why
[17:18] <nextgens> that method exists!
[17:20] <nextgens> if I declare it protected it works
[17:20] <nextgens> but not private
[17:20] <nextgens> any hint why?
[17:21] <nextgens> doh
[17:21] <nextgens> it's started from a different thread!
[17:23] <nextgens> I still don't get why it doesn't work
[17:24] <nextgens> toad_> any hint? why is my latest commit necessary on emu and not here?
[17:24] <FreenetLogBot> r21256 (1153) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
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[17:35] <FreenetLogBot> r21258 (1153) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[17:53] <FreenetLogBot> r21260 (1153) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[18:01] <nextgens> please do some serious testing on current trunk... I'm willing to release it soon
[18:01] <FreenetLogBot> r21262 (1153) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
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[19:11] <Dieppe> nextgens: anything in particular you want to have feedback on ?
[19:11] <nextgens> hmm
[19:11] <nextgens> well, no, nothing in particular
[19:11] <Dieppe> ok
[19:12] <Dieppe> I'm updating right now
[19:12] <Dieppe> I'll tell you if anything weird happen
[19:12] <nextgens> general regression testing is what I'm asking for :)
[19:12] <nextgens> ah
[19:12] <nextgens> well, there is something
[19:12] <nextgens> monitor how temporary files are cleaned up
[19:13] <Dieppe> how do I do that ?
[19:13] <nextgens> using ls ?
[19:13] <Dieppe> ah
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[19:24] <FreenetLogBot> r21269 (1153) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[19:25] <nextgens> hmmm
[19:25] <nextgens> my node is connected to a few 1152 ppers
[19:27] <Cooo> not seeing any 1152 peers on my opennet connected db4o node,
[19:28] <kork> I even have a 1151
[19:28] <kork> which says "TOO OLD"
[19:42] <FreenetLogBot> r21270 (1153) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
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[23:01] <toad_> good night folks
[23:01] <toad_> cya monday
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