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[0:00] <mrdmx> weir
[0:00] <mrdmx> d
[0:00] <zerwas> yes. and bad because it took the whole day to upload it
[0:01] <mrdmx> are you sure the upload is finished?
[0:01] <zerwas> okay, i got it
[0:02] <mrdmx> what'¡
[0:02] <zerwas> i have to directly enter the file.ext (without the directory)
[0:02] <mrdmx> ?
[0:02] <zerwas> so it isn't possible to open the directory itself?
[0:02] <mrdmx> no, it doesnt create an index for you
[0:03] <zerwas> but i can create one?
[0:03] <mrdmx> yeah sure
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[0:03] <zerwas> what exactly do you mean by "index"?
[0:03] <zerwas> a freesite?
[0:05] <zerwas> but first: thank you very much for your help
[0:08] <mrdmx> np
[0:10] <mrdmx> actually, im not sure
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[0:12] <zerwas> hm
[0:24] <mrdmx> yeah i think you need the filename to fetch the file
[0:25] <zerwas> okay
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[8:49] <Anarhist> man what the hell is going on, my node is crashing 10 times more often all of the sudden
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[8:50] <Anarhist> INFO | jvm 4 | 2008/07/15 09:48:06 | Exception in thread "RequestHandler for UID 4896862609074473551 on 62761(854)" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: GC overhead limit exceeded
[8:50] <Anarhist> wtf?
[8:50] <Anarhist> and why the fuck is my insert restarting from 0%
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[8:54] <zarma> hello
[8:54] <Anarhist> how can 720MiB of alocated memory still give OOM
[8:56] <Anarhist> hi zarma
[8:59] <zarma> hi Anarhist
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[8:59] <Anarhist> q;-/
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[12:59] <infinity0> my node keeps randomly restarting :|
[13:00] <Luke771> give it more memory, that ususllay helps
[13:00] <infinity0> oh, ok
[13:01] <Luke771> anyhow, I came here to repost this problem: a couple of days ago I saw that one of my nodes had crashed. This is the node that 'just sitd there', i don't even check on it very much.
[13:01] <Luke771> I restarted it and it complained about 'not enough entropy' and it wouldn't start until it gather enough
[13:01] <Luke771> looks like it never did
[13:02] <Luke771> I cheched it out now, and it was down
[13:02] <kork> a quick yet ugly fix for that problem is to rename /dev/random and create a symlink from /dev/urandom to /dev/random
[13:02] <kork> urandom are worse "random" numbers, but it's way faster than /dev/random
[13:02] <Luke771> so I looked at my main node's friends list, and the other node had been disconected for two days
[13:02] <Luke771> now I restarted it again and it's compalining about entropy again
[13:03] <Luke771> hm...
[13:03] <kork> is it a linux system?
[13:03] <Luke771> well I don't care how ugly as long as it works
[13:03] <Luke771> almost
[13:03] <Luke771> it's ubuntu
[13:03] <Luke771> :P
[13:03] <kork> then that "hack" should work
[13:03] <Luke771> yeah
[13:03] <Luke771> i'm trying that
[13:03] <kork> cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
[13:04] <kork> should tell you how much "randomness" there's left in the kernel right now
[13:04] <Luke771> wait I have to ssh to it
[13:04] <Luke771> meh, I'm already ssh'd in
[13:04] <Luke771> (how would I run X apps from it otherwise?)
[13:05] <kork> hehehe
[13:05] <Luke771> 62
[13:05] <Luke771> i have no idea what that means
[13:05] <Luke771> is it low?
[13:05] <kork> dunno
[13:05] <kork> I have 300 or something right now
[13:05] <Luke771> lol
[13:05] <Luke771> oki
[13:06] <kork> err
[13:06] <kork> no
[13:06] <kork> 3000
[13:06] <kork> so I guess it's kinda low
[13:06] <Luke771> hope that quick dirty fix doesnt force me to reinstall the whgole damn system
[13:06] <kork> shouldn't
[13:06] <kork> it just makes programs that use /dev/random make urandom, thus providing them with less random random numbers
[13:06] <Luke771> shouldnt have entropy 62 either...
[13:06] <kork> lol
[13:07] <Luke771> now rename /dev/random ...to what?
[13:07] <Luke771> anything?
[13:07] <kork> ya
[13:07] <kork> random.bak maybe
[13:07] <kork> or asshole-of-teh-intarwebs
[13:07] <kork> :P
[13:07] <Luke771> k I get the sense of the fix anyway
[13:07] <infinity0> you could delete it and then recreate it later, see man random for details
[13:07] <kork> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki//dev/random (note the two slashes)
[13:07] <Luke771> make it read from urandom rather than random
[13:08] <kork> A counterpart to /dev/random is /dev/urandom ("unlocked" random source) which reuses the internal pool to produce more pseudo-random bits. This means that the call will not block, but the output may contain less entropy than the corresponding read from /dev/random.
[13:08] <kork> Luke771: exactly
[13:08] <Luke771> k I did it
[13:08] <Luke771> now what?
[13:08] <kork> restart the node
[13:08] <Luke771> should it just work or do I need to restart something?
[13:08] <Luke771> ok
[13:11] <Luke771> well
[13:11] <Luke771> entropy is still kinda low
[13:12] <Luke771> 287
[13:12] <Luke771> better than 62 anyway
[13:12] <Luke771> and the node looks like it's starting
[13:12] <dbkr> it won't make more netroy available
[13:12] <dbkr> *entropy
[13:12] <Luke771> no entropy whining... so far
[13:12] <dbkr> it'll stop Freenet trying to use what little is there
[13:12] <kork> I think that entropy thing in /proc only applies to /dev/random
[13:12] <Luke771> well whatever it does, as long as it makes my node start...
[13:13] <kork> /dev/urandom just spits out numbers
[13:13] <Luke771> hm
[13:13] <kork> from whereever
[13:13] <kork> :P
[13:13] <Luke771> it's like a virtual heads-or-tails?
[13:13] <kork> the ones from the slow /dev/random are apparently more random... I don't understand much of that fancy math stuff behind pseudo randomness
[13:13] <infinity0> if you need entropy, attach your mouse to a vibrator or something
[13:14] <dbkr> some might say that wouldn't give you very good entropy :)
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[13:17] <infinity0> er it says "Internal error: please report" where do i send that to?
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[13:18] <Luke771> argh
[13:18] <Luke771> crash
[13:18] <dbkr> that would all depend on what 'it' is
[13:19] <Luke771> 'it' is a goddamn CRASH
[13:19] <Luke771> :P
[13:19] <Luke771> checking out the log
[13:19] <kork> lol
[13:19] <kork> I never had problems with urandom instead of random
[13:23] <Luke771> it's not that
[13:24] <Luke771> I must have done something wrong with users etc
[13:24] <Luke771> it couldn't write
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[13:24] <Luke771> er, chown I mean
[13:33] <Luke771> wtf
[13:33] <Luke771> it crashed again
[13:33] <Luke771> Failed to load node: Could not find or create persistent temporary directory (16)
[13:33] <Luke771> I'm pretty sure I chowned the dir...
[13:33] <Luke771> hm....
[13:37] <Luke771> <== st00pid
[13:37] <Luke771> I'd chowned a symlink, not the real dir
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[14:17] <pmpp__> rngd -r /dev/urandom -o /dev/random
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[15:25] <sdiz> pmpp: try "randomsound"
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[15:26] <sdiz> it get entropy from sound card noise... there are lots of signal noise, you don't even have to plug in a microphone.
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[16:27] <zerwas> hm, fms does not work anymore. i start it, i can access the web server page, but my news client says: "Connection to localhost refused"
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[16:31] <TheSeeker> what version of fms are you using? what os? precompiled or compiling it yourself?
[16:33] <infinity0> for some reason, i have sha1test.jar and startssl.pem in the freenet directory's PARENT directory
[16:33] <zerwas> 0.3.8, compiled myself, linux
[16:35] <zerwas> TheSeeker, on Ubuntu
[16:36] <zerwas> TheSeeker, i compiled with -D USE_BUNDLED_SQLITE=ON
[16:45] <zerwas> strange, because yesterday it still worked
[16:47] <zerwas> Strange, works now
[16:47] <zerwas> after restarting News client and FMS a few times ...
[16:47] <zerwas> perhaps i shouldn't shut down FMS by CTRL-c but with the web interface
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[17:57] <PrototypeX29A> hi
[18:07] <zerwas> hi PrototypeX29A
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[20:02] <Guest27303> hi everyone
[20:04] <Guest27303> I have problems inserting files in a darknet with 2 clients. It works with small files <900ko, and take forever with bigger files
[20:09] <Guest27303> Can anyone tell me if there is any configuration for that????
[20:13] <Guest27303> is anyone able to help?
[20:21] <Guest27303> What is "2038 >Thread limit" alert?
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[20:33] <Tarantuka> Hi everyone !
[20:37] <Tarantuka> am I on the right channel for a question?
[20:39] <kork> yeah, shoot
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[20:43] <Tarantuka> I have problems with insertings files in my darknet with some clients. I tried with small files, it works. But with bigger files (more than 2Mo) it take for ever
[20:44] <Tarantuka> I dont know if its due to freenet configuration. Sometime I have a Thread limit message.
[20:45] <kork> no idea, sorry :|
[20:45] <Tarantuka> I need to share files, sometimes PDF, audio or bigger files. I dont know what to do
[20:45] <Tarantuka> Did you ever succeed inserting big files?
[20:48] <kork> yes
[20:48] <kork> I've inserted a 3 gig file successfully some time ago
[20:53] <Tarantuka> really?
[20:53] <Tarantuka> how long did it takes to insert it?
[20:54] <kork> a few days surely
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[20:56] <Tarantuka> really? I thought it would be faster.
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[20:57] <Tarantuka> Even on a darknet? Thats really not good for me if its taken that long.
[20:58] <Tarantuka> We wanted to use it in our company to share some documents.
[20:58] <kork> oops, I didn't read that darknet part really :( sorry it was on opennet
[20:58] <kork> you might have better luck asking when toad_ or nextgens are here
[20:59] <Tarantuka> thanks. I hope they will come soon.
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[21:18] <Tarantuka> What is the message "Thread limit" on my statistics page
[21:24] <Tarantuka> Does anyone know about it?
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[22:10] <Cooo> Tarantuka: Your node has a max of X number of threads (Number of things that can be done at the same time) when your node wants to do more than the maximum number of threads it limits itself (to keep usage at a low level) and that limit might be the Thread limit you see.
[22:12] <Tarantuka> Thanks. But do I need a lot of thread to insert large files?? Cause now its not working in my darknet
[22:13] <Cooo> Maximum number of threads can be adjusted in /confic/ , raise it by a number of 100 if you got no problem with Freenet using to much of your hardware and check if thread limit raise is getting lower.
[22:13] <Cooo> Tarantuka: Naah. You should be able to insert large files with the original setting.
[22:14] <Cooo> Hopefully
[22:14] <Tarantuka> Really. I ve been looking for weeks. And its not working. Im on a local network for test with 2 clients.
[22:15] <Tarantuka> Could it be the version of my Java?
[22:15] <Cooo> hmm. local network with only 2 clients. That might be your problem.
[22:16] <Tarantuka> Im desesperate right now. I thought files would insert faster.
[22:16] <Tarantuka> Why is it a problem? I had 7 clients on another test network. Was not better.
[22:17] <Cooo> Hmmm. dunno then.
[22:17] <Cooo> Inserts on the real Freenet works niceley, not fast in ordinary internet standards but they work.
[22:18] <Cooo> Mabye you should have a chat with toad_
[22:18] <Tarantuka> In an opennet?
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[22:18] <Cooo> Tarantuka: Yep. Some openet nodes and some darknet nodes
[22:19] <Tarantuka> Yes, someone else told me about him. I wish he could be here ^^
[22:21] <Cooo> his comp is on so chances is that he migth arrive sometime the next hours. If not try again tomorrow. Mind you that he is kinda busy with the new db4o code.
[22:23] <Tarantuka> ok thanks. Any chance you know about that message : 'ForwardRejectedOverload5 1'
[22:23] <Cooo> anyways, stay in the channel, someone else besides toad might have ideas about your problem
[22:24] <Cooo> Hmmm. If I am not mistaken forwardrejectedoverload is happening when a connected node is overloaded.
[22:25] <Tarantuka> So it might be connected to my other message Thread limit.. ^^
[22:25] <Cooo> nope. thread limit is local.
[22:26] <Tarantuka> Not so easy to deal with freenet. I first thought it was frost that was slow. But as Im trying directly with Freenet and have the same problems...
[22:26] <Cooo> forwardrejectedoverload should be one of your peers that is telling you that it's overloaded. (If I remember correcteley)
[22:27] <Cooo> Why dont you connect to the whole Freenet network?
[22:29] <Cooo> Naaah. Freenet ain't that easy to begin with. Give it some time and read everything you come across :)
[22:30] <Cooo> back in a few minutes. cigarette
[22:34] <Tarantuka> Cause we want to use it between 8 differents computers around the world in my company. We really dont want our files to be on the opennet.
[22:36] <Tarantuka> I thought freenet would be perfect for security and anonymous. But not easy to share our files between nodes... :/
[22:41] <Cooo> Ahhh. but do you really anonymity regarding who is publishing/reading files inside the company?
[22:43] <Cooo> really need anonymity*
[22:46] <Tarantuka> no, but we are using internet between sites
[22:47] <Tarantuka> and if someone succeed intercepting us, we dont want them to know who is working on it.
[22:47] <Tarantuka> But its more a plus
[22:48] <Cooo> Ahhh. So an ordinary tunnel between officies won't be enough then.
[22:48] <Tarantuka> anonymity is not the most important. But a comparison of Friends 2 Friends Networks showed us Freenet was good
[22:49] <Tarantuka> Of course. That was one og the option. I would def have chose VPN, but one of my boss absolutely decided another way
[22:50] <Cooo> What you are trying to do sounds like an interesting test case for Freenet :)
[22:51] <Cooo> Yeah. VPN tunnels seems like the simplest idea.
[22:52] <Tarantuka> Yes. I would have been happy with VPNs. As today I have difficulties to insert large files, I feel like I chose the wrong solution and my boss wont be happy at all
[22:53] <Tarantuka> and Im stressed :-/
[22:53] <Cooo> Hmmm...
[22:54] <Cooo> What about speed? what kind of transfer rate do you need?
[22:55] <Tarantuka> Internet speed is fine. If only I could insert files very fast ... everything would be fine
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[22:57] <Cooo> Hmmm.. Internet speeds is probably never gonna happen on Freenet, the structure of the network probably will never be as fast as internet is at the same time.
[23:00] <Cooo> I guess it would be great to have your company as a testcase for Freenet in a small network but in your case I am not shure that Freenet is the correct solution :(
[23:01] <Tarantuka> grrr. Im afraid of that. But its too late for me to go back
[23:07] <Cooo> Hmmm.. Please stick around. Compose a text of what you are trying to do and post it to one of the mailing lists (devl might be best)
[23:08] <Cooo> That would make it easy for the people that knows Freenet best to be able to read it when they have the time.
[23:09] <Cooo> and don't forget to subscribe to the mailing list.
[23:10] <Tarantuka> ohhh Ok. Where are these mailing
[23:10] <Cooo> have a look at http://freenetproject.org/lists.html
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[23:21] <Tarantuka> Thank you for your help Cooo. In France its really late, so I will say goodnight to all of you
[23:22] <zerwas> good night Tarantuka
[23:24] <infinity0> er, checking out the freenet code requites a user/password?
[23:24] <Cooo> Tarantuka: Yah.. It's getting late here in sweden too.. Goodnight Tarantuka
[23:26] <Cooo> infinity0: Hmm.. from where are you trying to check it out? I am not familiar at all with this but you should be able to check it out without any password I think.
[23:26] <infinity0> nvmd, it was the out-of-date wiki
[23:26] <infinity0> i got it from googlecode now
[23:27] <Cooo> infinity0: Ahhh.. please update the wiki if you have the time.
[23:27] <infinity0> er do you have an account on it? i cba registering atm just to make one edit
[23:28] <infinity0> basically change http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetZeroPointSevenSource to read:
[23:28] <infinity0> svn co --ignore-externals http://freenet.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/freenet/
[23:28] <infinity0> in the obvious place
[23:28] <Cooo> hmm.. I dunno if I have an account.
[23:29] <Cooo> And if I have I am not even shure that I got an password to it :P
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[23:32] <infinity0> oh
[23:32] <Cooo> Hmmm. I guess i could send an mail to the devl list containing this discussion, the people there wpuld know what to do.
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[23:41] <Cooo> infinity0: Are you editing the wiki? or should I send the mail?
[23:41] <infinity0> oh i'll edit the wiki lol sending a mail is even more effort
[23:41] <infinity0> i might as well make an account i'll be doing some more studying of freenet in the coming months
[23:42] <Cooo> :)
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