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[2:35] <nextgens> dbkr> there is a hole in the content filter now; he should be able to link to /static/ directly
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[4:43] <pseudochaos> Has anyone here got fms working under fedora?
[4:54] <pseudochaos> I can't seem to find an RPM for libpoco2, and whenever I try to gmake (or merely make) it seperately it dies with an error message saying that "strlen is not a member or std".
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[5:06] <zerwas> pseudochaos, it's cmake
[5:08] <pseudochaos> Let me give that a try.
[5:10] <zerwas> cmake -D I_HAVE_READ_THE_README=ON -D USE_BUNDLED_SQLITE=ON .
[5:10] <zerwas> make sure, you have Poco and iconv installed
[5:10] <pseudochaos> That's the problem; Poco won't install on my system.
[5:11] <pseudochaos> Whenever I try to gmake it, it dies with that error message I mentioned above.
[5:12] <zerwas> oh you want to compile poco!
[5:12] <zerwas> isn't it in the repositories?!
[5:13] <pseudochaos> That's a negative, knight rider.
[5:13] <pseudochaos> I'll double check to be sure.
[5:13] <zerwas> what about this? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/perl-POE-Component-Server-HTTP
[5:15] <zerwas> hm
[5:15] <zerwas> not good
[5:18] <pseudochaos> That's probably not going to help me right now. :/
[5:19] <zerwas> but i know this error message ... i had it a year ago or so with a package x-D
[5:20] <pseudochaos> I guess it just wasn't meant to be. Thanks for your help nonetheless.
[5:20] <zerwas> :-( Hope you get it working. FMS works nice
[5:22] <pseudochaos> I rather miss it. Oh well.
[5:23] <zerwas> Install Ubuntu.
[5:27] <pseudochaos> I'm thinking about it.
[5:28] <zerwas> it's sad but most things are way easier on ubuntu. Because there are tutorials, it's based on APT (!) ...
[5:30] <pseudochaos> What's APT?
[5:32] <zerwas> a better thing than RPM
[5:32] <zerwas> much better in my opinion
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[9:10] <zerwas> How long does it take until a message gets through FMS?
[9:12] <Luke771> depends on a number of factors, first of all how well your node is working
[9:13] <Luke771> usually, can be minutes to hours
[9:13] <sdiz> ~1.5 hours on average, if we trust the eliza bot's timestamp
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[9:19] <zerwas> hm i tried yesterday evening
[9:25] <Luke771> zerwas: you mean you sent a test message last night and it's not thru yet?
[9:27] <Luke771> announced identity and everything?
[9:28] <zerwas> Luke771, right
[9:28] <Luke771> that may still be within normality
[9:28] <Luke771> let me explain this
[9:29] <Luke771> your identiy is pretty new, it's not well integrated yet, it's been announced yesterday.
[9:29] <zerwas> oh and: do the puzzles have to be 100% correct?
[9:29] <Luke771> now you may not see your own message because your ID isn't trusted enough yet: give yourself 100/100 trust to fix that
[9:29] <Luke771> and no, you may fail some
[9:30] <Luke771> also, giving some high trust list trust to users that you know are good may help get your ID integrated more quickly
[9:30] <Luke771> anyhow even if you don't do anything, your messages will become visible pretty soon
[9:31] <zerwas> Luke771, i expected something like this. I can see it now.
[9:31] <Luke771> it can be a little slow when your ID is new, it gets better later
[9:31] <zerwas> okay, i understand
[9:31] <Luke771> k
[9:31] <zerwas> thanks for the explanation
[9:32] <Luke771> np
[9:32] <Luke771> and that explanation was pretty shallow, you want to read more
[9:32] <Luke771> not really needed anyway, it will work...
[9:33] <Luke771> in fact, you only need to understand the concept of message trust and trust list trust, then you're OK
[9:33] <zerwas> yes i think i have to understand the system better to get my questions answered ... for example how i can see that another user can see my message
[9:33] <Luke771> hmm... you ask?
[9:33] <kork> btw if I stop editing my trust list after a while, will I still be able to read almost everything?
[9:34] <Luke771> also, you can see that user's trust list: if he gave you a good message trust, he will see your messages
[9:34] <Luke771> yes
[9:34] <kork> good
[9:34] <Luke771> you will be able to see much of it
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[10:24] <Anarhist> hi, is there a problem with something which would stop Frost messages from loading, or perhaps some new kind of attack is in progress
[10:25] <Anarhist> i mean stop messages from being Inserted
[10:25] <Anarhist> i can create a board and insert messages into it just fine, but all the established boards, the message just sits there saying "inserting" and nothing else happens
[10:28] <dbkr> well Frost has been under attack for ages
[10:28] <Anarhist> it's not the normal DoS attack i'm talking about here
[10:28] <Anarhist> already inserted messages load just fine
[10:28] <Anarhist> boards are *not* shown in red
[10:29] <Anarhist> so they aren't being DoS'ed
[10:29] <dbkr> oh, I see
[10:29] <dbkr> haven't heard of anything new, no
[10:30] <dbkr> and there haven't even been any changes in Freenet lately either, so it's unlikley to be network breakage
[10:30] <Anarhist> damn, my node just crashed... that hasn't happened in a while
[10:31] <dbkr> maybe some overly proud soul has found a way to DoS frost without the boards turning red...
[10:31] <Anarhist> what the fuck
[10:31] <Anarhist> it's reconstructing the database now
[10:31] <kork> ha, that takes bloody ages
[10:31] <dbkr> ooh, didn't run out of disk space or something?
[10:31] <kork> I had that once
[10:32] <kork> hm reminds me to have a look if my node survived the weekend
[10:32] <dbkr> hope you weren't wanting to use your node this week ;)
[10:32] <Anarhist> INFO | jvm 1 | 2008/07/14 11:28:37 | Corrupt database! Will be reconstructed on restart
[10:32] <Anarhist> INFO | jvm 1 | 2008/07/14 11:28:37 | Corrupt database! Will be reconstructed on restart
[10:32] <Anarhist> i have tons of these before the restart
[10:32] <kork> # Total Input: 11.1 GiB (28.7 KiB/sec)
[10:32] <kork> # Total Output: 16.6 GiB (42.9 KiB/sec)
[10:32] <kork> whee, it's still up
[10:33] * dbkr reiterates the disk space question
[10:33] <Anarhist> for me the reconstruction normally takes a few hours, not days (luckily)
[10:34] <Anarhist> what disk space question, dbkr
[10:34] <dbkr> dbkr: ooh, didn't run out of disk space or something?
[10:34] <Anarhist> oh, i missed that
[10:34] <Anarhist> no about 3 gig free still
[10:35] <Anarhist> wow, it says 5 gig free
[10:35] <Anarhist> i hope freenet is not deleting too much
[10:35] <dbkr> hmm
[10:36] <dbkr> somebody ought to write a new Freenet store :p
[10:36] <kork> let's use the DSB-ridden monolithic one from back in the days again
[10:36] <Anarhist> what's DSB?
[10:37] <kork> that was an ugly nasty bug in 2002(?), which destroyed your datastore every other day
[10:37] <Anarhist> what does it stand for though?
[10:37] <kork> needless to say, content dropped out pretty quickly then :P
[10:37] <kork> "data store bug"
[10:37] <kork> there were even DSB fan sites lol
[10:37] <Anarhist> q;-)
[10:38] <kork> http://www.freenethelp.org:14741/Glossary awesome, there's an entry for it
[10:38] <Anarhist> i really started using freenet only after that
[10:38] <kork> I've been on and off freenet for bloody ages
[10:39] <Anarhist> i did check it out when it was using monolithic datastore, but couldn't keep it running long enough for anything to crash
[10:39] <Anarhist> i've been pretty constant (ok, with some breaks) since about 2004
[10:40] <kork> I think squashing the DSB was pretty much toad's official act
[10:40] <kork> first official act I mean
[10:41] <Anarhist> q;-)
[10:41] <Anarhist> well, toads to tend to have a thing for insects
[10:41] <kork> :D
[10:42] <Anarhist> i'm reading the glossary now... boy i miss FIW
[10:43] <Luke771> by the way, every time my store reached the size limit and the node tried to shrink it, I ended up deleting it
[10:44] <Luke771> now the problem is, I just got two 500GB disks for Freenet, one per node, but if I have to delete the whole store each time it reaches the size limit, that would be pretty pointless, I could as well have 10GB stores...
[10:45] <Anarhist> i think my problem came from the fact that somebody has unplugged this computer over the weekend
[10:45] <Luke771> well I was talking about MY problem
[10:45] <Luke771> and no one unplugs MT computers without MY permission damn it
[10:45] <Luke771> :P
[10:46] <Luke771> except the power company, possibly
[10:46] <Anarhist> q;-)
[10:47] <Anarhist> i still don't know who has helped me out
[10:47] <Luke771> i wonder how much power I could produce if I had solar panels all around the external walls of my apartment
[10:47] <Luke771> (would cost more of what it would produce, I guess)
[10:48] <Luke771> anyhow, what about that store thing? what do I do when the sizre limit is reached?
[10:48] <Luke771> OK it will atke some time from now but being prepared is always best
[10:48] <Anarhist> well, i don't know about all the walls, but i know that the northern one would produce... 0 kW
[10:49] <Luke771> unless you live on the southern emisphere
[10:49] <Anarhist> no
[10:49] <Anarhist> unless *you* live on the southern hemisphere
[10:49] <Luke771> and unless yourneighbor to the north is one of those "mirror-ish" office buildings
[10:49] <Luke771> yeah, me
[10:49] <Luke771> it was a figurative 'you'
[10:49] <Anarhist> q;-)
[10:49] <Luke771> if 'figurative' is a word, which I'm not sure about
[10:50] <Anarhist> i think it is
[10:50] <Luke771> sounds like one, anyway
[10:50] <Anarhist> figuratively speaking it is a word
[10:50] <Anarhist> my spell checker agrees with it
[10:50] <Luke771> k
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[11:39] <Luke771> yay node crash
[11:39] <Luke771> restarted and recrashed
[11:39] <Luke771> pastebin-ing log, if anyone is interested...
[11:42] <Luke771> Failed to load node: Could not find or create persistent temporary directory (16) <== could that be a diorectory ownership problem?
[11:42] <Luke771> trying to chown and restart
[11:45] <Luke771> OK, now it's staying up... but what is entropy' when related to computers?
[11:45] <Luke771> I'm getting
[11:45] <Luke771> There isn't enough entropy available on your system... Freenet won't start until it can gather enough.
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[12:00] <toad_> Luke771: randomness
[12:02] <kork> toad_: we just agreed that index rebuilds after a node crash suck and we should re-use the old dsb-ridden monolithic DS
[12:02] * kork hides
[12:03] <kork> and by "we" I mean "I"
[12:11] <toad_> lol
[12:11] <toad_> yeah instead of rebuilding the index we can wipe the entire datastore!
[12:11] <toad_> hopefully sdiz's new store will land soon
[12:12] <Anarhist> i've had one "recrash" already
[12:13] <toad_> by which you mean run out of memory during store reconstruction so have to start all over again
[12:13] <toad_> yeah, it sucks
[12:25] <Luke771> kork> and by "we" I mean "I" <== Annuntio vobis gauduim magnum
[12:25] <Luke771> HEBAEMUS PAPAM
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[12:26] <Luke771> the 'not-enough-entropy' node is still whining about entropy
[12:27] <Luke771> <toad_> yeah instead of rebuilding the index we can wipe the entire datastore! That IS a problem, actually
[12:27] <Luke771> so far I always had to delete the datastore when it reached the limit I set
[12:28] <phrosty> http://www.irisa.fr/caps/projects/hipsor/ <-- interesting RNG that works by destroying the branch predictor in your CPU
[12:28] <Luke771> now I have dedicated 500GB disks for both nodes, but if the nodes can't shrink the store when the limit is reached, it's been a waste of money: if I have to delete the datastore each time it's full, I could as well have 10GB stores...
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[12:35] <toad_> Luke771: huh?
[12:35] <toad_> Luke771: I don't understand
[12:35] <toad_> why would you have to delete it when it gets full?
[12:37] <Luke771> because
[12:37] <Luke771> ait a minte toad_ i'm still on the phone
[12:42] <Luke771> toad_: here's the problem:
[12:43] <Luke771> each time the store is filled and the node tries to shrink it, it beginst to reconstruct the database over and over, finishes and starts again, "ad infinitum"
[12:43] <Luke771> until I delte the store
[12:43] <Luke771> this happened a couple of times already, on both nodes
[12:46] <toad_> so does it crash out?
[12:51] <Luke771> I havent monitored the process closely, all I know is that it finishes, it starts fproxy, the web interface is up... and after a little while it starts reconstructing again
[12:52] <Luke771> on the other hand, it was a number of versions ago, last time it happened
[12:52] <Luke771> let's see what happens next time
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[12:57] <Luke771> I'm having a problem with the translation file
[12:57] <Luke771> I do small updates to my local l10n and send the file once a month
[12:57] <Luke771> at least that's what I've been doing the last couple of months
[12:58] <Luke771> now the file is still there but the changes I've done disappear
[12:58] <Luke771> bah
[12:59] <Luke771> I guess I'll have to do all the changes last day before sending (and possibly file a bug is I can at least describe a little better what's happening)
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[15:00] <zerwas_> I just tried to upload a large directory (around 100 mb) into freenet, but it stopped at 30%. so i tried to restart the node, but now the "progress" is "unknown"
[15:00] <zerwas_> so: am i right it does not support resume?
[15:01] <sdiz_> zerwas_: no resume
[15:01] <sdiz_> resuming is under development ..
[15:06] <zerwas_> sdiz_, d'oh!
[15:06] <zerwas_> sdiz_, thanks for the hint
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[15:24] <Anarhist> fuck, i am going to have to delete my datastore
[15:25] <Anarhist> the node actually started all the way up, and then shutdown due to INFO | jvm 4 | 2008/07/14 15:51:29 | Corrupt database! Will be reconstructed on restart
[15:27] <Anarhist> oh, damn, this means that with no download resuming i'm really fucked now
[15:29] <Anarhist> at least now my node will start up within seconds
[15:29] <Cooo> well. shouldn't the node do it's best to reconstruct the database if you start it again? Might take a lot of time though.
[15:29] <Anarhist> (this is my trying to find a good thing in a bad situation)
[15:29] <Anarhist> Cooo, it tried
[15:30] <Cooo> and failed completeley?
[15:30] <Anarhist> like i said, it actually started all the way up, and then claimed that the database was corrupt
[15:30] <Anarhist> so i think that's actual storefile which got corrupted (due to bad shutdown of the computer while the node was running)
[15:31] <Cooo> yeah. And it also sait that it would be reconstructed on restart.
[15:31] <Anarhist> but and it didn't
[15:31] <Anarhist> read what i said
[15:32] <Anarhist> it was reconstructing and then failing since this morning
[15:32] <Cooo> you didn't mention that you have started the node againg after the corrupt database message.
[15:34] <Anarhist> " the node actually started all the way up, and then shutdown due to INFO | jvm 4 | 2008/07/14 15:51:29 | Corrupt database! Will be reconstructed on restart "
[15:34] <Anarhist> yep, i did... q;-)
[15:34] <Anarhist> ok, maybe i needed to be more clear
[15:35] <Cooo> You started the node up, got the error and it did shutdown. After that you started it again but reconstruction failed?
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[15:36] <sdiz_> Anarhist: actual store file corrupt won't cause that
[15:36] <sdiz_> are you using 64-bit linux ?
[15:36] <Anarhist> sdiz_, no
[15:36] <sdiz_> which OS and CPU are you using?
[15:36] <Anarhist> ubuntu gnu/linux
[15:37] <sdiz_> using openjdk ?
[15:37] <Anarhist> sun java 6
[15:37] <sdiz_> hmm...
[15:37] <Anarhist> he he, i know
[15:37] <Anarhist> that's what got me upset also
[15:38] <sdiz_> try the saltedhash datastore then =P
[15:38] <Anarhist> huh?
[15:39] <Anarhist> wass dad
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[15:39] <sdiz_> that's the new, experimental, datastore from me ...
[15:40] <sdiz_> still developing, but it works.
[15:40] <sdiz_> and corrupt less often
[15:40] <sdiz_> see the "freenet" fms board for details
[15:40] <Anarhist> so how stable is it by now?
[15:40] <Anarhist> and is it more or less hdd use intensive
[15:41] <sdiz_> i run it on my main node.
[15:42] <sdiz_> i guess it use almost the same hdd... no real benchmark
[15:43] <Anarhist> ok, where do i get it
[15:43] <Anarhist> might as well, i have no datastore to lose
[15:44] <sdiz_> build from source at http://freenet.googlecode.com/svn/branches/saltedhashstore/freenet/
[15:44] <sdiz_> or download from freenet:CHK@IMxP7qCgZS9YCJ6i7WPj25tw-hHA-GO1HWUGu2XXc5U,teZ66if7KckBTzeq2l0WXs0uj79TF9IxzywRdwSeH~M,AAIC--8/freenet.jar
[15:45] <sdiz_> edit freenet.ini, change node.storeType to salt-hash
[15:45] <sdiz_> replace the freenet.jar
[15:46] <sdiz_> backup freenet.ini and freenet.jar, in case if you want to uninstall later
[15:46] <Anarhist> trying to download from freenet right now
[15:46] <Anarhist> well, freenet.jar can be just ./update.sh
[15:47] <sdiz_> hmm... and freenet.ini just change node.storeType to bdb-index ..
[15:47] <Anarhist> so which one?
[15:47] <sdiz_> which what?
[15:48] <sdiz_> bdb-index for old datastore, salt-hash for the new one.
[15:48] <Anarhist> ok
[15:48] <Anarhist> you need to put it on the web somewhere
[15:48] <sdiz_> remember to change to bdb-index before ./update.sh, or it will use your RAM as data store.
[15:48] <sdiz_> er... i posted it on FMS..
[15:49] <Anarhist> wow, that would actually be cool
[15:49] <Anarhist> in a very weird way
[15:50] <sdiz_> if you have any problem, ask it on fms or mail list ..... or maybe even file a bug report..
[15:50] <Anarhist> ok
[15:51] <Anarhist> i think i need to disable autoupdate then
[15:52] <Anarhist> for a popular 2.66 MiB file it sure takes a while to fetch
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[17:30] <PrototypeX29A> hi
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[17:50] <Cooo> hi there PrototypeX29A
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[18:25] <meow> hi
[18:26] <meow> where can i find other freenet indexes, besides the default one?
[18:26] <meow> with goolge i only found a couple and the links were 0.5
[18:27] <Cooo> meow: Isn't there several indexes listed at your nodes homepage?
[18:28] <Cooo> Don't use google to try to search for freenet content
[18:29] <meow> i have the ultimate freenet index, the freenet activelink index * 2 and the french index
[18:30] <zerwas> meow, the links to the freenet indexes on the main page give you links to other indexes
[18:30] <meow> i see
[18:30] <meow> thanks :)
[18:30] <meow> i'm still trying to learn how this "thing" works
[18:36] <meow> adn why is javascript disabled on the new firefox profile?
[18:46] <toad_> security
[18:46] <toad_> freenet websites cannot use javascript because we cannot currently make it safe for them to do so
[18:46] <meow> i just noticed, all the urls are localhost
[18:47] <toad_> :)
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[19:15] <zerwas> is 8 hours for inserting 70 MByte into Freenet normal?
[19:16] <Cooo> zerwas: Seems kinda slow.
[19:17] <zerwas> Cooo, let me say i am new to freenet. will it be faster if i have it running let's say 5 hours a day for a few weeks?
[19:19] <reflect> it will be faster if you runt it all the time
[19:20] <zerwas> reflect, oh, but not if i shut down my computer every evening?
[19:20] <reflect> well, sure.. it just won't be "as fast"
[19:21] <reflect> actually, "fast" isn't quite right.. the speed will increase
[19:21] <reflect> it usually takes 2-5 days before speed increases
[19:21] <zerwas> sure, we both know what we mean when we are using the word "fast" in the context of freenet ;-)
[19:22] <reflect> it took me something like 4 days.. but then I ran my node 24/7
[19:22] <zerwas> hm okay
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[19:45] <Lemick> hi everyone
[19:46] <Lemick> I Have a little problme with freenet, when il launched, java take 100% UC :/
[19:46] <reflect> UC?
[19:47] <Lemick> 100% CPU
[19:47] <reflect> here it takes something like 20%
[19:47] <reflect> what if you let it do its thing.. will it decrease then?
[19:48] <Lemick> since 30 minutes, nothings change :/
[19:48] <reflect> then which OS are you using, and what cpu model / mhz do you have?
[19:49] <Lemick> C2D 6600 - 4Go RAM VIsta 64
[19:51] <reflect> ok..
[19:51] <reflect> who makes the CPU?
[19:51] <Lemick> Intel
[19:51] <reflect> so when you say 100%, you mean it takes up both cores of a 6600 cpu?
[19:52] <Lemick> yeah both core
[19:52] <reflect> not sure where to start.. which Java are you using?
[19:53] <Lemick> heuu wait
[19:54] <Lemick> java sun 1.6.0_07
[19:54] <Lemick> update this mornig
[19:54] <Lemick> +n
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[23:37] <zerwas> I uploaded a directory, but when i click on the link i get "ERROR: Not in archive"
[23:38] <zerwas> Any explanation for this?
[23:48] <mrdmx> huh?
[23:48] <mrdmx> you need the name of the file
[23:49] <zerwas> of the directory you mean?
[23:50] <mrdmx> no, the link\file.ext
[23:50] <mrdmx> link/file.ext
[23:50] <mrdmx> like usk@asdf../file.txt
[23:51] <zerwas> hm ... i tried entering it at the end of the key
[23:51] <zerwas> some result
[23:51] <mrdmx> ah, sorry
[23:51] <mrdmx> i forgot the syntax
[23:52] <zerwas> in the error message it says "Filename: blabla.ext.bin"
[23:52] <mrdmx> yeah i forgot the version part of the string
[23:52] <zerwas> version part?
[23:54] <mrdmx> did you get a usk?
[23:55] <zerwas> i don't know what an usk is yet
[23:56] <mrdmx> what kind of link did you get?
[23:56] <zerwas> CHK@...
[23:56] <zerwas> i can see it there: http://127.0.0.1:8888/queue/
[23:56] <mrdmx> what did you use to upload the directory
[23:56] <zerwas> the same site
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[23:58] <mrdmx> hmm
[23:58] <zerwas> it says "file not in archive"
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