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[3:02] <v1rtuous> annyonew here
[3:02] <v1rtuous> whew
[3:02] <v1rtuous> anyone here*
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[4:15] <crashsystems> I'm installing freenet on Ubuntu 8.04. I got the java bug during the install, and read the fix instructions on the wiki. could someone explain what "apt-get update-alternatives --config java" does?
[4:15] <v1rtuous> which java bug
[4:15] <v1rtuous> the SSL one?
[4:16] <crashsystems> I think it is the SSL one, but I didn't write it down.
[4:17] <nextgens> crashsystems> the command should be "sudo update-alternatives --config java"
[4:18] <crashsystems> correct
[4:18] <nextgens> well, it changes the defaul jvm in use on the system
[4:19] <crashsystems> that makes sense. I wish that the open one worked better with freenet
[4:21] <nextgens> crashsystems> the new version works
[4:21] <nextgens> it's ubuntu's fault; they are bundling a beta version of the jvm!
[4:21] <crashsystems> grr! any .deb files for the new version?
[4:22] <nextgens> they are in the experimental branch of ubuntu
[4:22] <nextgens> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6
[4:22] <nextgens> tell the maintainer; maybe he will backport the fixed version :p
[4:23] <nextgens> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/openjdk-6/6b10-0ubuntu1
[4:23] <crashsystems> so 6b10 for 8.04 should work?
[4:23] <nextgens> that's the fixed version
[4:23] <crashsystems> ah, ok
[4:23] <nextgens> yes, the fix went into b10
[4:24] <nextgens> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/237083
[4:24] <nextgens> crashsystems> please comment on that ticket too
[4:24] <crashsystems> ok, I know this will sound like a total n00b question, but does this diff any from the standard "make && make install" process?
[4:25] <nextgens> what are you talking about? freenet or the jvm's packaging process?
[4:25] <crashsystems> jvm
[4:25] <nextgens> they are distributing binaries as well I think
[4:26] <crashsystems> I just downloaded the sources
[4:26] <nextgens> well, get the binaries, it's much simpler
[4:26] <nextgens> on a debian system you should do "make -f debian/rules"
[4:26] <nextgens> or use dpkg-buildpackage
[4:29] <crashsystems> ok, I'm not seeing the download for the binary.
[4:31] <nextgens> it should be on mirrors
[4:31] <nextgens> anyway, I suggest you go and ask on #ubuntu :)
[4:32] <crashsystems> good point nextgens
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[5:59] <FinalSin> can some1 help
[6:00] <FinalSin> my channel got hacked
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[10:35] <gwern> hiya everyone. I recently reinstalled ubuntu, and I think because of that freenet is broken; I can start up a node, but it fails while initializing
[10:36] <gwern> the log says: INFO | jvm 1 | 2008/07/12 06:34:52 | Failed to load node: Could not find or create persistent temporary directory (16)
[10:36] <gwern> INFO | jvm 1 | 2008/07/12 06:34:52 | freenet.node.NodeInitException: Could not find or create persistent temporary directory (16)
[10:36] <gwern> and so on
[10:37] <gwern> I suspect permission problems somewhere
[10:37] <gwern> I also have an update.sh error, which errors out as follows: An SSL exception has occured:java.lang.RuntimeException: Unexpected error: java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: the trustAnchors parameter must be non-empty
[10:37] <gwern> Could not download new update.sh.
[10:37] <gwern> any advice for either problem?
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[10:41] <Cooo> gwern: I can't help you with those problems. Just wanted to let you know that the channel usually is pretty idle at this time, in a few hours there should be more traffic and hopefully someone can help you.
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[10:42] <gwern> Cooo: oh, ok. I thought it looked a bit quieter than the last few times I was here
[10:42] <gwern> guess it's EST centric?
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[10:42] <Cooo> gwern: Kind of yes.
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[10:44] <gwern> hm. looks like a jvm problem - I've tried a fresh freenet tarball, and the initial messages tell me I am using a bad jvm
[10:45] <Cooo> Ooo. you might need to install suns java
[10:45] <gwern> 'OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.6.0-b09, mixed mode)' is not wanted, it seems
[10:46] <Cooo> OpenJDK seems to cause problems for alot of people.
[10:46] <Cooo> Install suns java , hopefully it should work better.
[10:46] <gwern> yeah, I'm apt-getting the sun-jre now
[10:47] <gwern> I think that must've been the problem - I probably had the sun jre manually installed last time, then when I blew away ubuntu and reinstalled, something pulled in openjdk so I didn't realize the gap )after all, freenet *was* running. sort of)
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[10:49] <Cooo> Yep. I think Ubuntu installs OpenJDK by default.
[10:50] <gwern> argh. now with sun, it's complaining about now native fec8 lib
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[10:51] <gwern> INFO | jvm 1 | 2008/03/31 23:18:14 | Unable to find native library for fec8 for platform linux-x86_64
[10:51] <Cooo> gwern: Normal issue. There an't any fec library for 64 bit yet. Node should run anyway.
[10:53] <gwern> but that's my old freenet install; https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=1686 seems to say it's fixed under new ones
[10:53] <gwern> STATUS | wrapper | 2008/07/12 06:52:25 | Launching a JVM...
[10:53] <gwern> INFO | jvm 4 | 2008/07/12 06:52:25 | Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: freenet/node/NodeStarter
[10:53] <gwern> INFO | jvm 4 | 2008/07/12 06:52:25 | Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: freenet.node.NodeStarter
[10:53] <gwern> bleh
[10:55] <Cooo> bug 1686 seems to be a dupe og bug 86, might be why it's marked as resolved
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[13:33] <saces> hi, all
[13:33] <tux> hi there ;)
[13:33] <MisterE> OK, I have freenet installed, now how do I get to this site please?:
[13:33] <MisterE> freenet:USK@GSQgFDoeQUG0cSkbUVYYkB-ssqEEavRdo-RDVEAm0jk,rVvV3LjSZq3UNdGJrrup~~ZBPq4ohBhJeKkREXDLULw,AQACAAE/requiem/-1/
[13:33] <MisterE> hi uys
[13:33] <MisterE> guys
[13:36] <saces> toad_: i think the pluginconfig-move is not longer need
[13:39] <saces> i will invent kind of migration-code, so the plugin config doesnt reqiere user interaction if updated from a older node
[13:47] <reflect> MisterE, this is the url : http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@GSQgFDoeQUG0cSkbUVYYkB-ssqEEavRdo-RDVEAm0jk,rVvV3LjSZq3UNdGJrrup~~ZBPq4ohBhJeKkREXDLULw,AQACAAE/requiem/-1/
[13:48] <reflect> the main "site" is http://127.0.0.1:8888/ and all the urls.. starting with USK, CHK or KSK gets pasted in after that main url you see there
[13:49] <reflect> that's the starting point for most of what freenet has to offer
[14:00] <MisterE> ah ha! thanks reflect!!
[14:00] <reflect> no problem
[14:01] <reflect> the reason people paste urls like USK@GSQgFDoeQUG0cSkbUVYYkB-ssqE-etc, is that not everyone is using localhost:8888 as their starting point
[14:02] <reflect> if you use localhost, only people logged on to that computer can easily access freenet.. so some set up so that freenet listens on a regular network interface, so that others (like their family or whatever) can access freenet too
[14:04] <MisterE> OK darn, more noob issues, FF is telling me "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at 127.0.0.1:8888."
[14:05] <reflect> what OS and stuff are you using again?
[14:06] <MisterE> Mac os 10.5.4 and FF 3.0
[14:06] <MisterE> was working last time I used it
[14:06] <MisterE> yesterday I think
[14:07] <reflect> sounds like it has crashed
[14:07] <MisterE> can I check that in console?
[14:07] <reflect> yeah, I think so
[14:08] <MisterE> err I mean terminal
[14:08] <MisterE> I'm such a cli retard
[14:08] <reflect> let's see, that's BSD.. so.. type this in:
[14:08] <reflect> ps auxwww | grep java
[14:08] <MisterE> 4478 0.2 0.0 66184 236 s000 R+ 9:08PM 0:00.00 grep java
[14:09] <MisterE> maybe I should just reboot?
[14:09] <MisterE> or logout
[14:09] <reflect> no no
[14:09] <MisterE> k
[14:09] <reflect> well, sure, that would "fix it" but you can start it by hand
[14:09] <reflect> in your terminal, go into the freenet directory
[14:09] <reflect> (could be called Freenet, too)
[14:10] <reflect> then type : ./run.sh start
[14:10] <reflect> actually, next time there's a problem, go in there, type ./run.sh status
[14:11] <reflect> it should tell you wether or not freenet is running
[14:11] <reflect> way better than that ps auxwww-thing I showed you
[14:13] <MisterE> so I want to cd to the freenet dir?
[14:13] <reflect> yup
[14:13] <MisterE> k 1 sec
[14:14] <MisterE> ahh ha! Terminal reports: Freenet 0.7 is not running.
[14:14] <reflect> tadaa..
[14:14] <reflect> now just replace status with 'start' and it should be a-ok
[14:15] <MisterE> Ok I'm in business
[14:15] <reflect> now that website should work just fine
[14:15] <MisterE> I remember shutting down my node, because I enables insecure mode, when I ended my last session
[14:15] <MisterE> I didn;t want the node running all the time in insecure mode
[14:16] <MisterE> I still don't know whay frenet does when I'm not paying attention to it
[14:16] <MisterE> what
[14:16] <reflect> ah.. I don't think you need to worry, it doesn't really mean you're "vulnerable"
[14:16] <MisterE> got a new keyboard protector sorry my typing is shit
[14:17] <reflect> it just means that, if someone wanted to find out what you were doing.. someone with some resources.. they probably could
[14:17] <reflect> imagine a chinese reporter speaking up against his government.. they shouldn't use insecure mode
[14:17] <MisterE> If I were them I'd be using tor
[14:17] <reflect> it would be better to use the darknet feature
[14:18] <reflect> it depends on what you want, really
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[14:18] <reflect> if you want to make sure your article stays alive, even after the government busts open your door and confiscates your computer.. then freenet is the way to go
[14:22] <MisterE> ahh OK I see the difference
[14:22] <MisterE> but tor should keep them from busting down your door right?
[14:24] <reflect> maybe.. it's like with locks for your apartment.. if they really DO want to get in, they will.. it's just a matter of time and effort
[14:25] <MisterE> Yea that's true
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[14:34] <MisterE> hey one more question while I have your ear, if I may, does freenet support unp? I see I have a upnp plugin.
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[15:46] <mrdmx> yeah it supports upnp
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[17:01] <elliotjhug> hi all - as anybody had any luck getting freenet running with a 64bit JDK? The installer complains about it not being 'decent'
[17:05] <reflect> you don't happen to run Ubuntu by any chance?
[17:06] <reflect> and OpenJDK as your java interpreter?
[17:07] <elliotjhug> that's the one
[17:07] <reflect> if so, it will work if you install the Sun java5 or java6 interpreter
[17:07] <reflect> there's a bug in the openjdk one shipped with ubuntu
[17:07] <elliotjhug> ah ok - thanks!
[17:07] <reflect> np
[17:15] <elliotjhug> anyway of getting freenet to be a bit more verbose in its errors - just got a 'process returned an error' message - which isn't especially helpful
[17:16] <reflect> you're just starting, right?
[17:16] <reflect> if so, I would completely remove the current freenet installation, and redo it from scratch
[17:16] <elliotjhug> ok - good idea
[17:17] <reflect> also, make sure java -version displays the right java
[17:17] <elliotjhug> yeah it does - had to update-alternatives to get it
[17:17] <reflect> ok, good
[17:17] <reflect> you're not a beginner, I take it :)
[17:18] <elliotjhug> not new to linux - new to freenet though - gave it a try ages ago probably back in the 0.5 days, but I thought it might be worth another look
[17:20] <elliotjhug> installed :)
[17:21] <reflect> great :)
[17:22] <reflect> it's still rather slow in the transfer speed area
[17:22] <reflect> however, keep it running and after 2-4 days, it'll get better.. not excellent or anything, just better
[17:23] <elliotjhug> cool - are there any real advantages to having it run continuously? (in which case I can install it onto my server instead of my desktop)
[17:24] <reflect> well, yes..
[17:24] <reflect> the more time you let it run, the more it downloads.. also, the more it shares with others, so it would be faster for others aswell
[17:25] <elliotjhug> OK - if I get it working well on here for a few days I may end up moving it over - I noticed there was a headless install option
[17:26] <reflect> sounds good, hope you'll find much interesting things
[17:26] <elliotjhug> thanks
[17:29] <reflect> or, instead of much, many
[17:29] <reflect> that works too ;)
[17:32] <toad_> routing is better if you keep it running 24x7
[17:37] <elliotjhug> cool - I'll try and go with that then
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[19:24] <reflect> hello zerwas
[19:24] <zerwas> hello
[19:25] <reflect> how do you get that spoofed address, btw?
[19:25] <zerwas> get a cloak. see freenode.net -> FAQ -> CTRL+F -> "cloak"
[19:25] <reflect> something nickserv is providing.. ?
[19:25] <reflect> ah, thanks
[19:26] <zerwas> no problem.
[19:29] <zerwas> I just asked on #tor for this without a good result. I am looking for a way to host a site anonymously. are there any other ways than using freenet for this purpose?
[19:31] <toad_> does it need to be accessible from outside the anonymous network?
[19:31] <reflect> well, that depends
[19:31] <reflect> if you publish a freenet site, only freenet users will be able to find it..
[19:31] <toad_> likewise with a tor hidden service
[19:31] <zerwas> toad_, it wouldn't be bad. but it's not a must.
[19:32] <toad_> there are a few web hosting companies who will take cash-by-post as a payment method...
[19:32] <reflect> however, if a tor site gets taken down for whatever reason, that site is then dead
[19:32] <toad_> otherwise of course i'd say freenet
[19:32] <toad_> it's much easier to host a site on freenet safely than on tor
[19:32] <zerwas> toad_, yes that's what i also thought about. *but* you have to host the content on a paid webserver. the hoster knows what you have on it.
[19:32] <reflect> if a freenet "site" is taken down, and by that I mean someone takes your computer offline, the site is actually still up
[19:32] <toad_> the hoster knows what you have, but they don't know who you are
[19:32] <toad_> same on freenet really - everyone can find your content
[19:33] <toad_> if you publish links to it on the boards
[19:34] <reflect> on freenet, you don't have to host nothing, you "publish" and then it's out there.. regardless if you shut your computer down or not
[19:34] <toad_> right
[19:34] <toad_> if people still want it
[19:35] <reflect> yes, true
[19:35] <zerwas> reflect, right, that is a good thing about it. *but* it's not accessible from outside of freenet
[19:35] <reflect> if you stop publishing, and it's not interesting, it'll slowly die
[19:36] <reflect> how long does it take for any given content to become "obsolete" btw?
[19:36] <toad_> depends
[19:37] <toad_> lots of oldish stuff is still accessible especially if you queue it for a week
[19:38] <reflect> just takes a while for your node to find it, I take it
[19:39] <toad_> sometimes... some stuff completely disappears
[19:40] <reflect> but there must be some time limit for that?
[19:40] <zerwas> btw i had an "old" freenet installation here (few weeks old) and tried to run ./update.sh, but i got: An SSL exception has occured:sun.security.validator.ValidatorException: PKIX path building failed: sun.security.provider.certpath.SunCertPathBuilderException: unable to find valid certification path to requested target
[19:40] <reflect> not requested for x days/weeks/whatever and it gets marked irrelevant and then it slowly dies
[19:40] <reflect> zerwas, ubuntu, OpenJDK is your java interpreter?
[19:41] <zerwas> reflect, yes. /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/bin/java
[19:42] <zerwas> /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/jre/bin/java would be better?
[19:42] <zerwas> works.
[19:42] <zerwas> not.
[19:42] <reflect> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java
[19:42] <reflect> you need to update the default java in ubuntu to only use the sun java
[19:44] <zerwas> yes i just set it to sun but i get the same error
[19:46] <reflect> hm.. then I don't know what it may be
[19:46] <reflect> perhaps someone else knows
[19:49] <zerwas> hm :(
[19:52] <reflect> don't worry, others will help you, as soon as they're around
[19:52] <zerwas> perhaps it will solve the problem itself: "Your node is downloading a new version of Freenet and will restart once it has it."
[19:53] <reflect> that's the spirit :)
[19:57] <zerwas> "(Freenet could leave your node in the "dust of the past", if you don't update.)"
[19:57] <zerwas> ;-)
[19:57] <reflect> looks like that's where you're at :)
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[20:01] <zerwas> looks like it doesn't work. i will install it from scratch again
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[20:02] <reflect> ok,
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[20:28] <zerwas> wow it looks like freenet has gotten faster in the last months. or do i imagine that?
[20:28] <Cooo> zerwas: I think it got faster :)
[20:30] <reflect> they say they'll look into making it even faster in the future, too
[20:30] <reflect> things are sure looking bright
[20:31] <zerwas> finally. I hope it will this effort will be successful
[20:32] <toad_> :)
[20:34] <reflect> ooh, do I sense a hint of proudness there? hmm? :)
[20:36] <reflect> come on :)
[20:37] <reflect> it's allowed, it's actually good.. even if you are a brit :)
[20:40] <reflect> or not, that's ok too
[20:48] <saces> i have tried to write english sentences, can someone spellcheck it plz? http://dark-code.bulix.org/jdhlf1-67497
[20:50] <reflect> not bad
[20:51] <reflect> how do I make a suggestion? in channel, or by /msg?
[20:53] <reflect> http://dark-code.bulix.org/3197kh-67517 << I'm not a native english speaker either, but this is my suggestion
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[20:55] <reflect> where are you from, saces.. if I may ask?
[20:57] <saces> reflect: de
[21:05] <reflect> I have a question..
[21:05] <reflect> if you want to buy stuff from the freenet store..
[21:06] <reflect> you can only pay via credit card? however, if you want to donate, that can be done via paypal if you'd like.. why can't you order via paypal?
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[21:41] <shironeko> Hi :3
[21:42] <reflect> hello
[21:43] <shironeko> Does anyone know how much it takes these days to announce an identity in FMS?
[21:44] <phrosty> how much what?
[21:44] <reflect> it differs..
[21:44] <reflect> I did 2 pages, and that worked fine for me
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[21:45] <shironeko> I did 4 (28 captchas) then waited 3 days and now I did 2... Let's see if tomorrow I'm in.
[21:45] <reflect> you don't have to wait
[21:45] <reflect> you can start reading it directly
[21:45] <reflect> the captchas are there to prevent you from posting, not reading, afaik
[21:46] <shironeko> I know I've already set my news client up and can read boards. Although, I thought there were other boards for announing Freesites, etc... Are there some hidden ones?
[21:47] <reflect> I don't know..
[21:47] <reflect> try sending a message to the test boad
[21:47] <reflect> board
[21:48] <shironeko> Btw, Now that we're talking about it. I've been trying to find some documentation on the Trust system and I can't figure out how it works, what is the maximum trust?
[21:50] <reflect> 100
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[22:46] <saces> reflect: see your suggestion in action ;) CHK%40TuTqVrT3VXJ4ACdotTK5GR2jKtjzrrUOwzk6VoHp2Wc,ipcR80sglrEBPjEXRg8EeONQr62LfqiTvv1nqOF8rOY,AAIC--8/plugintext.png
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