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[0:59] <AlgorithmicContr> how do I disable autostart serivce of freenet?
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[1:04] <phrosty> in windows?
[1:04] <phrosty> start->run->services.msc, right click freenet->properties, change startup type.
[1:06] <AlgorithmicContr> phrosty: No, Debian based linux
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[1:07] <AlgorithmicContr> phrosty: I could disable it from a script in ~/Freenet
[1:07] <AlgorithmicContr> or something
[1:07] <AlgorithmicContr> I read somewhere in the wiki I could disable it a certain way
[1:07] <AlgorithmicContr> I can't find that document anymore
[1:07] <AlgorithmicContr> hmm
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[1:09] <phrosty> try looking in /etc/init.d/
[1:10] <ZerothVortex> phrosty: okay
[1:15] <pmpp> ZerothVortex> crontab -e
[1:17] <phrosty> freenet uses crontab to start? that is.. odd
[1:17] <pmpp> that is ... non root
[1:17] <pmpp> :)
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[1:43] <ZerothVortex> pmpp: @reboot "/home/larry/Freenet/run.sh" start 2>&1 >/dev/null #FREENET AUTOSTART - 8888
[1:43] <ZerothVortex> pmpp: What does @reboot mean?
[1:44] <ZerothVortex> ah
[1:44] <ZerothVortex> run once at start up
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[6:03] <AlgorithmicContr> Why does Freenet feel it needs to make a separate firefox profile for me?
[6:04] <mrdmx-away> because its optimized for freenet
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[6:05] <AlgorithmicContr> mrdmx: how so? explain
[6:06] <mrdmx> there's a limit for the number of connections to one host
[6:06] <mrdmx> it makes browsing freesites slow
[6:09] <AlgorithmicContr> mrdmx: a limit that firefox sets?
[6:10] <mrdmx> yeas
[6:12] <AlgorithmicContr> mrdmx: how do you change my profile back?
[6:12] <mrdmx> it became the default?
[6:12] <AlgorithmicContr> mrdmx: it used freenets
[6:13] <mrdmx> what?
[6:13] <AlgorithmicContr> mrdmx: it used the freenet FF profile not my default one
[6:14] <mrdmx> dunno, use google
[6:41] <nextgens> AlgorithmicContr> firefox -ProfileManager
[6:41] <AlgorithmicContr> nextgens: yeah, I see it now
[6:41] <nextgens> it wouldn't have happened if you had read the instructions ;)
[6:42] <AlgorithmicContr> nextgens: what instructions?
[6:43] <AlgorithmicContr> nextgens: where would they be?
[6:43] <AlgorithmicContr> I don't see them on the wiki
[6:44] <AlgorithmicContr> http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/07/06/1856244.shtml
[6:44] <nextgens> the installer has openned a new tab in your default firefox profile asking you not to close it before you close the freenet profile
[6:53] <AlgorithmicContr> nextgens: I accidentally closed it, that was the problem
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[8:52] <CryingFreeman> So, any news from the Freenet-2008-summit? :)
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[9:35] <Cooo> nextgens: A week or two ago you were trying to download a file from Feenet (simplefcp.py) It was for a bug if I remember correcteley. I have had that file in my queue since then and now it has downloaded.
[9:37] <nextgens> cool
[9:37] <nextgens> Cooo> could you pastebin it please ?
[9:37] <Cooo> nextgens: yep. hold on.
[9:37] <nextgens> or add is content to the revelant bug ticket if you have a mantis account :)
[9:38] <nextgens> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2420
[9:38] <nextgens> that was the bug
[9:42] <Cooo> nextgens: I added a link in the bug ticket.
[9:42] <nextgens> ok, thanks :)
[9:43] <Cooo> NP
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[15:10] <Stark> Hi! I have download freenet07.tar.gz
[15:10] <Stark> Than, I run ./run.sh
[15:10] <Stark> And than I run ./run.sh start
[15:11] <Stark> But it is not working (
[15:11] <Tommy[D]> any error messages?
[15:12] <Stark> Nothing. When I try to connect with 127.0.0.1:8888 firefox says couldn't connect
[15:13] <reflect> check wrapper.log
[15:13] <Tommy[D]> do you have a file called wrapper.log?
[15:14] <Stark> Yes, I have it. What can I see in this file?
[15:14] <mrdmx> what java?
[15:14] <Tommy[D]> can you nopaste it? usually it contains the problem
[15:15] <reflect> check the topic for a pastebin
[15:17] <Stark> Ok. http://code.bulix.org/k1cfha-67425
[15:17] <Stark> This is log
[15:17] <dbkr> looks like the install didn't work
[15:17] <dbkr> probably one of the mirrors not responding or something
[15:18] <dbkr> I'd delete the directory, un-tar again & try again
[15:18] <Stark> dbkr: ok
[15:20] <Stark> Hey, it is crashed when firefox try to connect it.
[15:20] <Stark> I did that:
[15:20] <Stark> ./run.sh start
[15:20] <Stark> than ./run.sh status
[15:20] <Stark> Than I can see that Freenet 0.7 is running
[15:21] <Stark> Than I tryed to connect. But can't. Than I look at status again, and now I can se that Freenet 0.7 is not running
[15:21] <Stark> * can see
[15:22] <dbkr> is that the same install?
[15:23] <Stark> Sorry, English is not my native language, what do you mean?
[15:23] <nextgens> Stark> pastebin what the installer says
[15:24] <Stark> Installer said this: http://code.bulix.org/p6suzx-67426
[15:24] <nextgens> and nothing else ?!?
[15:25] <Stark> Nothing.
[15:25] <Stark> nextgens: may be problem with my JVM?
[15:25] <nextgens> do you have a file "jvmerror" in the directory ?
[15:26] <Stark> yes
[15:26] <nextgens> pastebin it too please
[15:26] <Stark> ok
[15:26] <Stark> this is: http://code.bulix.org/164gx2-67427
[15:27] <nextgens> okay
[15:27] <nextgens> that means that you are probably using ubuntu's broken openjdk jvm
[15:27] <nextgens> right ? :p
[15:28] <nextgens> the weird thing is that it should have said it to you
[15:28] <Stark> may be, I am realy using ubuntu, but do not know what kind of Java Runtime installed
[15:28] <reflect> java -version will tell you
[15:28] <nextgens> I've spotted the bug
[15:28] <nextgens> hold oin
[15:28] <nextgens> let me fix it
[15:29] <Stark> Yes, it is OpenJDK
[15:29] <Stark> java version "1.6.0"
[15:29] <Stark> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b09)
[15:29] <Stark> OpenJDK Server VM (build 1.6.0-b09, mixed mode)
[15:30] <nextgens> Stark> don't change anything until I can make you test the fix please
[15:30] <Stark> nextgens: ok
[15:31] <nextgens> Stark> please try http://mirror0.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/freenet07.tar.gz out
[15:32] <nextgens> (delete the directory, delete the tarball you have, get that one and do the same thing :) )
[15:32] <nextgens> I'd like you to pastebin the output too
[15:32] <nextgens> (again)
[15:33] <Stark> ok
[15:34] <Stark> Can I get it using wget "http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/freenet07.tar.gz"?
[15:34] <nextgens> no
[15:34] <nextgens> well, not yet :)
[15:34] <nextgens> mirror0 is up to date, I dunno about others
[15:34] <Stark> ok
[15:36] <Stark> So, than I do not understand where I can get it.
[15:36] <nextgens> hmm ?
[15:36] <nextgens> Stark> wget http://mirror0.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/freenet07.tar.gz
[15:36] <nextgens> that should do it
[15:37] <Stark> ok
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[15:38] <Stark> nextgens: look at this: http://code.bulix.org/e0t9zw-67428
[15:40] <nextgens> okay
[15:40] <nextgens> that's much better :)
[15:41] <Stark> =)
[15:41] <nextgens> now you can install sun's jvm
[15:42] <nextgens> apt-get install sun-java6-jre && update-alternatives --config java
[15:42] <nextgens> that should fix your problem :)
[15:42] <Stark> nextgens: thanx, trying it
[15:43] <nextgens> you might need to sudo on ubuntu though
[15:43] <Stark> nextgens: I know =)
[15:43] <Stark> it need to download 34 mb. 20 min.
[15:53] <nextgens> bbl
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[15:57] <Stark> nextgens: O, sorry. Reading chat log, I have seen the message from 20:30(my time): Stark> please try http://mirror0.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/freenet07.tar.gz out. But erly I was inattentive, and did not see it. Sorry =)
[15:57] <Stark> Than I ask you to give me link again =)
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[16:07] <Masquerade> hey all
[16:07] <Masquerade> i have a question:
[16:07] <Masquerade> i have the newest java version installed and started freeNet but the urls given arent valid
[16:07] <Masquerade> just liek http://127.0.0.1:8888/wizard/
[16:09] <Stark> Masquerade: Just ise sun-jdk =)
[16:09] <Stark> *use
[16:10] <Masquerade> oke, and if you could give me more exactly instructions?
[16:12] <Tommy[D]> Masquerade: whats the problem with that url?
[16:13] <Masquerade> just like with every invalid url
[16:13] <Masquerade> not avalaible
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[16:14] <Masquerade> "problem loading page" etc
[16:16] <Cooo> Masquerade: Are you shure that Freenet is running?
[16:16] <Masquerade> yep
[16:18] <Cooo> hmm. I think that in some cases Freenet maps to another port. try 8889
[16:18] <Tommy[D]> Masquerade: please nopaste your wrapper.log
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[16:19] <Masquerade_> test?
[16:19] <Masquerade_> just been disconnected
[16:20] <Cooo> test acknowledged
[16:20] <Masquerade_> me? what?
[16:20] <Cooo> yep.
[16:20] <Tommy[D]> Masquerade: please nopaste your wrapper.log
[16:20] <Masquerade_> Tommy[D]: http://code.bulix.org/ezkkgr-67409
[16:21] <Masquerade_> Cooo: sorry, could you give me more detailed instructions?
[16:21] <Cooo> STATUS | wrapper | 2008/07/06 20:20:38 | <-- Wrapper Stopped
[16:21] <Tommy[D]> Masquerade: you are using ubuntu and openjdk?
[16:22] <Cooo> Masquerade_: I just acked your test..
[16:22] <Masquerade_> Cooo: lol oke sorry, im kinda slow in thinking today
[16:22] <Cooo> NP
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[16:23] <Masquerade_> Tommy[D]: im using ubuntu hardy and java, let me look for the exact version
[16:23] <Tommy[D]> java -version
[16:23] <Cooo> Now lets see... Your wrapper stopped, so Freenet is not running...
[16:23] <Masquerade_> Cooo: so should i run it again and try one more time?
[16:24] <Masquerade_> Tommy[D]: java version "1.6.0_06"
[16:24] <Cooo> Probably won't do anything good.
[16:24] <Tommy[D]> Masquerade_: openjdk?
[16:25] <Masquerade_> "openjdk-6-jre - OpenJDK Java runtime"
[16:25] <Cooo> I would reccomend that you install sun;s java
[16:26] <Tommy[D]> Masquerade_: apt-get install sun-java6-jre && update-alternatives --config java
[16:26] <Masquerade_> Cooo: isnt it installed yet, accoring to the message above?
[16:27] <Cooo> Masquerade_: Nope.. you have openjdk installed.
[16:27] <Tommy[D]> Masquerade_: after that, uninstall freenet and do a fresh install
[16:27] <Masquerade_> sun-java6-jre is already installed...
[16:27] <Masquerade_> now its waiting for me to choose an alternative
[16:28] <Tommy[D]> so choose the sun jre
[16:29] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: You seem to have more knowledge than me in this case, I will let you handle this and put myself in the background. :P
[16:29] <Masquerade_> Tommy[D]: permission denied
[16:29] <Tommy[D]> Masquerade_: run it with sudo
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[16:30] <Masquerade_> i ranthe line you gave me above with sudo
[16:30] <Tommy[D]> Masquerade_: sudo update-alternatives --config java
[16:30] <Masquerade_> oke
[16:30] <Masquerade_> now restart freenet?
[16:31] <Tommy[D]> best is to remove the freenet dir and do a fresh install, i am not sure how much is broken because of openjdk
[16:32] <Masquerade_> hm oke
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[16:39] <Masquerade_> yay
[16:39] <Masquerade_> thanks, its working
[16:41] <Cooo> great'
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[16:43] <Masquerade_> oke... another thing, but its hard to translate - i have the german version
[16:44] <dbkr> well if it comes to it, post the german version & we can look it up in the 118n file
[16:44] <Cooo> you can change the translation from http://127.0.0.1:8888/config/
[16:45] <Masquerade_> i should forward some ports
[16:46] <Masquerade_> (please forward) UDP-Ports 51354 and 46326
[16:46] <Cooo> forward Darknet FNP and / or Opennet FNP depending on which you use
[16:47] <Masquerade_> ?
[16:47] <Cooo> Are you using an router?
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[16:48] <Masquerade_> i access the internet over a network
[16:49] <dbkr> http://portforward.com/
[16:51] <Masquerade_> eh, "buy"?
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[16:55] <Cooo> "buy"? where did you find that? According to my dictionary buy = der Kauf
[16:56] <Masquerade_> Cooo: forget it ... somehow i could download it
[16:56] <Masquerade_> forget it ^^
[16:56] <Cooo> Ahhh.
[16:57] <Masquerade_> damn
[16:57] <Cooo> what?
[16:57] <Masquerade_> im running pfconfig with wine - i tried to. it says "debugger detected [304]"
[16:58] <Cooo> tells me nothing.
[16:58] <reflect> eh
[16:59] <Cooo> 304.. 10.3.5 304 Not Modified ?
[17:00] <Stark> Cool!!! I love it!
[17:00] <Cooo> ?
[17:02] <Masquerade_> huh?
[17:02] <Masquerade_> it just give me a bos with this message
[17:03] <reflect> Masquerade_, you're running a windows program to configure routers via wine? and you're surprised it didn't work?
[17:03] <Masquerade_> reflect: uhm not seriously lol
[17:03] <Cooo> :P
[17:03] <Masquerade_> i was more suprised that it actually works
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[17:05] <Masquerade_> but, honestly, i dont want to boot windows now
[17:05] <Masquerade_> i'll do it later but atm im happy that i get into freenet at least
[17:10] <Cooo> Masquerade_: So Freenet works for you now?
[17:10] <Masquerade_> yep, its kidna slow atm but it works
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[17:12] <Cooo> Masquerade_: Freenet is slow to begin with. Give it some more hdd space and a few days and it will be faster :)
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[17:12] <Masquerade_> ^^ too bad that i dont have any windows machine to hack lol
[17:12] <Masquerade_> maybe in school...
[17:14] <Cooo> :P windows..
[17:14] <Masquerade_> Cooo: ^^ what os are you using
[17:15] <Masquerade_> and btw, has someone made experiences with truecrypt?
[17:15] <Cooo> Masquerade_: I am running an linux kernel
[17:15] <Cooo> Ubuntu
[17:16] <Cooo> There has been some people in the cahannel talking about truecrypt.
[17:16] <Cooo> *Spelling is bad...
[17:17] <Masquerade_> also running ubuntu... though im really unexperienced ^^
[17:17] * Cooo has been running ubuntu for 1 and 1/2 years now I think and there is still alot to learn.
[17:18] <Masquerade_> Cooo: and before? windows?
[17:18] <Cooo> yep.
[17:18] <Cooo> Win 2000 since it was released
[17:20] <Masquerade_> well, i guess they made a great step from win 2k to win xp but the release of vista was senseless
[17:21] <Cooo> IMHO they downgraded when they released xp :P
[17:21] <Masquerade_> Cooo: xD
[17:21] <Masquerade_> Cooo: is it right when i say that freenet is kinda safe for data sharing?
[17:22] <Cooo> Masquerade_: kinda depends on the data you want to share.
[17:22] <Masquerade_> so for wich its best?
[17:23] <Cooo> I would say, non known data.
[17:23] <Masquerade_> for example?
[17:24] <Cooo> there might be a problem if you want to share data that might alrady be known, I.E, if the attacker can compute the key before you insert the data
[17:25] <Masquerade_> hm oke
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[17:26] <reflect> Cooo, the more you learn, the more you realize how little you know regarding linux.. :)
[17:26] <Cooo> reflect: yep.
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[17:27] <Masquerade_> ye^^
[17:29] <Cooo> Masquerade_: there is some thinking about this problem, and there is some solutions too, but they are not yet implemented. So if you want to insert highly classified governemt data then you might want to take extra precautions
[17:29] <Masquerade_> dont fear ^^
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[17:30] <Cooo> Hello toad
[17:30] <Cooo> Masquerade_: Good
[17:31] <Cooo> highlight on toad_ : Ho toad_
[17:31] <Cooo> *hi
[17:32] <toad_> hi Cooo
[17:32] <Cooo> toad_: all well?
[17:32] <Masquerade_> graaah! i dont want a tc volume i want a tc container
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[17:32] <toad_> yeah the conference went great
[17:32] <toad_> i've written that up
[17:32] <toad_> earlier today
[17:33] <toad_> and the wifi-on-the-train is working amazingly well (compared to past experience)
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[17:33] <Cooo> toad_: Yep. I read your summary.
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[17:35] <toad_> hmmm any replies yet?
[17:36] <Cooo> Daniel Cheng has replied
[17:37] <toad_> cool, i need to read that
[17:38] <Cooo> It would have been nice to bee there but it crashed with my most important hangover day of the week :( The swedish Rallycross EM.
[17:39] <Cooo> European championship
[17:41] <Cooo> kind of amazing that Marcus Grönholm took the victory.
[17:42] <Cooo> week = year... I guess I still got an hangover :P
[17:44] <Cooo> now. lets move to #freenet-chat if anyone besides me want's to talk about this subject.
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[17:45] <toad__> re-rehi
[17:45] <toad__> train wifi pathcy :)
[17:45] <toad__> patchy
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[17:49] <toad__> is freenetproject.org working?
[17:50] <toad__> it may be blocked by the wifi
[17:50] <Bombe> toad, the website is alright here.
[17:50] <Cooo> works here
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[17:51] <Cooo> damn wifi... blocking one of the most imporant project on the internet :(
[17:52] <toad__> to be fair, they REALLY don't want people downloading it over a wifi that goes over GSM/GPRS/satellite
[17:53] <toad__> (depending on location, and somehow managing transparent handover)
[17:53] <toad__> cool, it's loading ... just a transient DNS glitch then
[17:54] <Cooo> :)
[17:54] * toad__ can't get into servalan (over ssh) though... i may be able to read the message(s) on the archive...
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[17:58] <infinity0> does freenet have an efficient search implementation?
[18:00] <Cooo> infinity0: There is a search mecanism... go to plugins and start XMLLibrarian
[18:00] <toad__> hmmm i think lurker isn't being updated for the lists
[18:01] <toad__> infinity0: you mean keyword searches?
[18:01] <toad__> infinity0: that's a pretty hard problem when you factor in spam etc
[18:01] <infinity0> yeah
[18:01] <toad__> at the moment i'd say no
[18:01] <infinity0> basically the way i see it, once an efficient search is implemented, freenet will explode
[18:01] <infinity0> cf. google and the internet
[18:01] <toad__> there are several mechanisms, they're not very efficient, very decentralised or very comprehensive
[18:01] <infinity0> (explode as in grow a lot)
[18:01] <toad__> i'm not sure about that
[18:02] <toad__> what people expect from searching is napster
[18:02] <toad__> well even the napster clones are having spam problems now :(
[18:02] <infinity0> well, it's hard to find stuff in freenet unless you know exactly what it is, or you know where it is already
[18:02] <infinity0> what sort of spam problems are there? sorry, i'm new to this
[18:02] <toad__> nah, it's easy to find stuff that's actually on the freesites-web because there are very few freesites still
[18:03] <toad__> still mere hundreds
[18:03] <toad__> stuff that's inserted into frost is often ephemeral, reinserted on demand etc
[18:03] <Cooo> infinity0: Try the XMLLibrarian
[18:03] <infinity0> i mean, without loading a list of everything and looking through them all
[18:03] <infinity0> Cooo: it's not for personal use, it's an idea for the future
[18:04] <Cooo> infinity0: ahhh.
[18:04] <toad__> Cooo: any anonymous search engine can be spammed anonymously
[18:04] <toad__> and flooded anonymously
[18:04] <toad__> err infinity0: sorry you
[18:04] <Cooo> toad__: Probably
[18:04] <infinity0> oh ok
[18:05] <infinity0> what about doing a search like how keys are searched for now? except with plaintext instead of key-hashes
[18:05] <toad__> hmmm ... both pipermail and lurker only go up to may!
[18:05] <toad__> that's called a KSK
[18:05] <toad__> it depends on somebody inserting the KSK
[18:06] <toad__> and it's just a key - there can only be a single entry at each key so you can't correlate matches from more than one etc
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[18:06] <toad__> there was a proposal for multi matching called FASD, i'm not sure it was fully attack resistant though
[18:07] <infinity0> oh
[18:07] <toad__> 0.7.1/0.8 should include better integration for XMLLibrarian and some debugging on XMLSpider, so lets see whether the current mechanisms are acceptable before we go for expensive new ones
[18:07] <toad__> the problem with KSKs, apart from them being just plain keys, is they are spammable/floodable, as demonstrated spectacularly by the Frost spammer
[18:07] <toad__> there may be ways around this e.g. hashcash based keys
[18:08] <infinity0> i see
[18:08] <infinity0> um, what about doing a decentralised version of google's pagerank thing
[18:08] <toad__> at the moment a KSK can't redirect to a USK (freesite)
[18:09] <infinity0> so alongside a key, you store pointers to that key, and return matching keys with the most pointers to it
[18:09] <toad__> pagerank is patented, as are all similar algorithms ... but that's not necessarily a showstopper
[18:09] <toad__> yeah that sounds a lot like FASD
[18:10] <infinity0> oh, ok
[18:10] <infinity0> is there like a place where i can read into this some more?
[18:10] <toad__> in the current system a single anonymous publisher runs a spider and publishes a keyword index as a huge freesite
[18:10] <toad__> the client downloads it and uses it for searching ... we could have the client and server between them do some sort of ranking algo
[18:10] <toad__> the main problem is 1) it's not easy to use/integrated - it could be, this is not a big deal
[18:11] <infinity0> it should be decentralised as possible
[18:11] <infinity0> any problems with making every node a indexer-client?
[18:11] <toad__> and 2) nobody is actually running an index at the moment - possibly due to bugs in the spider
[18:12] <toad__> and 3) obviously it won't scale long term
[18:13] <infinity0> yeah
[18:13] <toad__> and 4) no pagerank (at the moment) ... this may be solvable
[18:13] <toad__> this is documented to some degree on the wiki, you could try there
[18:13] <infinity0> oh, ok, cool, thanks
[18:13] <infinity0> what are the similarities between freenet and the early internet? i sort of get the impression they're similar (directories/lists of links instead of search sites, etc), but i wasn't around during the early internet
[18:14] <mrdmx> fms = usenet
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[18:14] <infinity0> what's fms?
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[18:16] <toad__> re-rehi
[18:16] <toad__> sorry
[18:16] <toad__> what was the last thing you saw me say?
[18:16] <infinity0> (19:14:08) toad__: this is documented to some degree on the wiki, you could try there
[18:16] <infinity0> then i asked about the similarities between freenet and the early www
[18:16] <infinity0> although i said internet, i correct myself here ¬.¬
[18:17] <Cooo> toad__: the wanna indes was updated not long ago. let me check my links.
[18:17] <toad__> :)
[18:17] <toad__> ok
[18:17] <toad__> well, there are many similarities ... except freenet has Big Files
[18:17] <toad__> Cooo: really? i only see edition 11, from iirc last year?
[18:18] <Cooo> USK@5hH~39FtjA7A9~VXWtBKI~prUDTuJZURudDG0xFn3KA,GDgRGt5f6xqbmo-WraQtU54x4H~871Sho9Hz6hC-0RA,AQACAAE/Search/12/ updated 080601 look at USK@ZC7ThxBN-OgGd8WRQcLsaCREJufzeihThQ5NBkjoX5A,~31qR8wv08tVkj--3bfCwJAC7ndaXh7uLFgafpimOik,AQACAAE/wAnnA/12/
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[18:20] <Sylar91> hi
[18:20] <Cooo> hi
[18:20] <Sylar91> please someone could help me? (sorry for my bad english :S)
[18:21] <reflect> just ask your question :)
[18:22] <Sylar91> I'm on ubuntu and when I run the cmd "./run.sh start" it starts but when I type localhost:8888 in the browser, it says that the address doesn't exits like as freenet isn't running
[18:22] <reflect> check "java -version"
[18:23] <reflect> it will most likely say OpenJDK
[18:23] <reflect> you need to install the Sun Java 1.6
[18:23] <Sylar91> sylar91@sylar91-laptop:~/freenet$ java -version
[18:23] <Sylar91> java version "1.6.0"
[18:23] <Sylar91> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b09)
[18:23] <Sylar91> OpenJDK Client VM (build 1.6.0-b09, mixed mode, sharing)
[18:23] <reflect> install sun-java6-jre
[18:24] <reflect> then run sudo update-alternatives --config java and pick the sun version
[18:24] <Cooo> sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre && update-alternatives --config java
[18:25] <Sylar91> done
[18:25] <Sylar91> now?
[18:25] <Cooo> you might want to reinstall Freenet
[18:26] <Sylar91> I didn't install it, I only downloaded
[18:26] <Sylar91> and run
[18:26] <Sylar91> the run.sh file
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[18:26] <Cooo> dunno how it works on a linus system but try it again
[18:27] <Tommy[D]> Sylar91: you changed the java version to sun?
[18:27] <Sylar91> yes
[18:27] <Tommy[D]> then remove the freenet dir and start again with ./run.sh
[18:27] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Good thing you are still around :)
[18:28] <Sylar91> where is the freenet dir
[18:28] <Sylar91> ?
[18:28] <Sylar91> in usr?
[18:28] <Tommy[D]> ~/freenet
[18:29] <infinity0> sometimes for me the fproxy times out then restarts a while later
[18:30] <Sylar91> sylar91@sylar91-laptop:~/freenet$ ./run.sh start
[18:30] <Sylar91> Enabling the auto-update feature
[18:30] <Sylar91> Detecting tcp-ports availability...
[18:30] <Sylar91> Downloading update.sh
[18:30] <Sylar91> Downloading freenet-stable-latest.jar
[18:30] <Sylar91> it is download, isn't?
[18:30] <infinity0> btw, you should be able to use the offline-installer on any jdk... it worked for my debian GIJ
[18:30] <infinity0> jvm*
[18:31] <Sylar91> in your opinion it is a problem running freenet with a strange modem like mine?
[18:31] <Tommy[D]> infinity0: no, seems like the ubuntu openjdk does not work with it
[18:31] <infinity0> oh, even with the main freenet app?
[18:31] <Sylar91> I have a huawei e270 (hdspa). It is a problem?
[18:32] <Tommy[D]> infinity0: the installer does not complete, dont know about running freenet with openjdk later one
[18:33] <Tommy[D]> Sylar91: I dont know that modem, i would say, just test it :)
[18:34] <infinity0> the installer doesn't complete for GIJ either, but if you just use the offline-installer (or install it on a computer with sun JDK, and then c+p the files over) freenet works
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[18:34] <Sylar91> I'm on a eeepc, do you think it runs too slow for me?
[18:35] <Sylar91> mitico!=yuppie in italian
[18:35] <Sylar91> it runs XD
[18:35] <Sylar91> thanks a lot
[18:35] <Cooo> infinity0: you shure about that? If so please do a bug report.
[18:36] <infinity0> Cooo: bug report? as in, "freenet works on GIJ"?
[18:36] <infinity0> and yeah pretty sure
[18:36] <Cooo> Sylar91: It works,, great
[18:36] <infinity0> i downloaded freenet on an account i have on a server with the sun jdk, ran the installer, scp'd all the files into this computer which has GIJ, and ran it and it works
[18:37] <Cooo> infinity0: As in freenet wont install with GIJ but it runs under it?
[18:37] <infinity0> yeah
[18:37] <infinity0> it's to do with GIJ's security stuff implementation
[18:38] <infinity0> er, something about the JSK being propreitary and them not having gotten around to reverse-engineering it yet
[18:38] <Cooo> Ahhh.
[18:38] <infinity0> not a freenet bug
[18:38] <Cooo> So nothing that Freenet can do about it?
[18:39] <infinity0> well, freenet can stop depending on the JSK to sign their files i suppose
[18:39] <infinity0> or smoething, i don't actually know what exactly it's for, that's just what i assume though
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[18:39] <infinity0> JKS* not JSK
[18:40] <Cooo> infinity0: You might want to explain the situation to toad_ once he is back.
[18:40] <infinity0> oh, ok
[18:41] <infinity0> http://metastatic.org/source/JKS.html - (i think) this is what is missing from GIJ and probably openJDK too
[18:41] <Cooo> cause I am not an expert in any case. but if it can be fixed in any way he would know.. Nextgens might know too.
[18:41] <infinity0> well, GNU classpath
[18:41] <infinity0> ahh ok
[18:43] <Cooo> so please explain your situation to toad_ or nextgens.
[18:43] <infinity0> okay, will do
[18:43] <Cooo> great
[18:45] <Cooo> really. toad_ should be back by now.. Crappy connection on the train I guess..
[18:45] <Cooo> Any other developer here?
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[18:54] <infinity0> lol i can wait don't worry
[18:57] <Cooo> infinity0: It wasn't your problem :P Rather it seemed like XMLLibrarian isn't uptodate.
[18:58] <Cooo> we really sould update that linkö
[18:58] <infinity0> what wasn't my problem?
[18:59] <Cooo> you know... freenet wont install with GIJ but it runs under it?
[19:00] <reflect> no, he said that he could do an offline installation with gij
[19:00] <infinity0> oh that ok, but what's that got to do with XMLLibrarian
[19:01] <infinity0> er, i didn't, but someone else told me they could; i did the online-installation on a different box and copy-pasted that into my computer here which works
[19:01] <reflect> confuse-galore :)
[19:02] <infinity0> aye, sorry :p
[19:02] <infinity0> but, basically, freenet won't online-install with GIJ (and probably other JVMs) because of the JKS stuff
[19:03] <Cooo> Hmmm... mabye we should forget what I am writing.. I hav been away on a 3 day heavy dutu drinking Rallycross European championship contest so I might not be the smartest around here :P
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[19:45] <sich> a french news : http://fr.news.yahoo.com/zdnet/20080707/ttc-bientot-une-liste-de-logiciels-autor-6a3d054.html
[19:45] <sich> perhaps European Union will provide a list of authorized software on internet
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[19:48] <reflect> I'm so going to google translate that one
[19:49] <Stark> Hi, all. Somebody use Freemail? What is it? Can it send e-mails to the ordinary e-mail?
[19:50] <mrdmx-bbl> no
[19:50] <sich> Stark: hello, no freemail can't send email on ordinary email
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[19:53] <reflect> sich, wow, that proposal surely sucked.
[19:53] <sich> reflect: yep.... no comment.... this is just incredible
[19:54] <reflect> was this a French proposal, or more of a collaboration?
[19:54] <reflect> I didn't quite get that from the translation
[19:55] <mrdmx> what was it?
[19:55] <sich> european directive apparently
[19:55] <mrdmx> what did it say?
[19:55] <reflect> only authorized software should be able to connect to the internet..
[19:56] <mrdmx> it was to be expected
[19:56] <reflect> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffr.news.yahoo.com%2Fzdnet%2F20080707%2Fttc-bientot-une-liste-de-logiciels-autor-6a3d054.html&sl=fr&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
[19:56] <mrdmx> trusted computing?
[19:56] <sich> nop, you can only use authorized applications on the net
[19:57] <reflect> like you have to submit firefox to some agency which will authorize it for "internet use" or something like that
[19:57] <sich> apparently they will ask to the internet provider to check if you use the "good applications"
[19:57] <sich> something in english : http://action.ffii.org/telecom_package
[19:58] <mrdmx> how fucking dumb
[19:58] <reflect> "encrypted traffic? .. must be terrorists, hm? no good citizen would hide their traffic, no?"
[19:58] <reflect> "and to protect consumer's interests." - that's cute.
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[19:59] <sich> it's just crazy
[19:59] <sich> European Union is working for the big industrie....
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[20:00] <mrdmx> somebody should just murder the ones responsible
[20:02] <sich> yep :(
[20:06] <reflect> did anyone post this to FMS yet?
[20:06] <reflect> if not, I could post it to the news group
[20:07] <sich> you can post this
[20:08] <reflect> bomb's away..
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[20:11] <reflect> I don't recognize this world anymore..
[20:18] <sich> yep.... Big Brother is already her
[20:18] <sich> e
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