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[0:06] <nextgens> rehi
[0:14] <nextgens> Ratchet> the installer runs as root ??
[0:15] <nextgens> I thought I had put a test to prevent that!
[0:15] <nextgens> Luke771> change your line to install sun's jdk first and THEN remove openjdk, that will solve the dependancy problem
[0:16] <Luke771> OK
[0:16] <nextgens> has anyone actually filled a bug on ubuntu's bug tracker ?
[0:17] <Luke771> not me
[0:17] <nextgens> which version of it is affected ?
[0:17] <Luke771> 8.08 "hardy hedron"
[0:17] <Luke771> 8.04
[0:18] <nextgens> hardy ?
[0:18] <nextgens> ok
[0:19] <nextgens> huh, I have to register
[0:19] <nextgens> burger
[0:21] <nextgens> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/237730
[0:22] <nextgens> someone did fill a bug in :)
[0:22] <nextgens> hmmm, no, it's not the same bug
[0:24] <nextgens> dbkr> hey
[0:24] <nextgens> dbkr> how is your SoC student doing ?
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[0:56] <Kedlun> Hey, I just did a fresh install of freenet and am getting a "the private key of this project has been compromized!" error
[0:57] <Kedlun> "Your node has found the auto-updater's revocation key on the network. It means that our auto-updating system is likely to have been COMPROMIZED! Consequently, it has been disabled on your node to prevent "bad things" to be installed. We strongly advise you to check the project's website for updates. Please take care of verifying that the website hasn't been spoofed either. The revocation message is the following : The auto-up
[1:05] <nextgens> hmm
[1:05] <nextgens> Kedlun> is that the only message you are getting ?
[1:05] <nextgens> Kedlun> your message was cut after ": The auto-up"; may you paste the end ?
[1:05] <Kedlun> i am also getting a jstun failure to load and a NAT blockage but i am resolving the NAT issue
[1:06] <Kedlun> oh, here is the end " The revocation message is the following : The auto-update URI isn't valid and can't be used."
[1:08] <nextgens> did you change anything related to the auto-updater on the config page ?
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[1:12] <nextgens> Kedlun> ?
[1:14] <royallthefourth> I'm having trouble with the installer
[1:15] <royallthefourth> it does this:
[1:15] <royallthefourth> An SSL exception has occured:java.lang.RuntimeException: Unexpected error: java.security.InvalidAlgorithmParameterException: the trustAnchors parameter must be non-empty
[1:15] <royallthefourth> does that sound familiar to anyone?
[1:15] <Kedlun> nextgens no, it was a brand new install
[1:17] <nextgens> royallthefourth> if you are using ubuntu, yes
[1:17] <nextgens> Kedlun> please paste here the keys the auto-updater uses for revocation checking
[1:17] <nextgens> Kedlun> you can see them on the configuration page of the node in advanced mode
[1:17] <nextgens> Kedlun> and please pastebin your wrapper.log file too
[1:18] <Kedlun> SSK@VOfCZVTYPaatJ~eB~4lu2cPrWEmGyt4bfbB1v15Z6qQ,B6EynLhm7QE0se~rMgWWhl7wh3rFWjxJsEUcyohAm8A,AQABAAE/revoked
[1:18] <royallthefourth> I am using Ubuntu. What's the issue here?
[1:19] <Luke771> royallthefourth: ubuntu comes with a buggy java
[1:19] <Luke771> uninstall openjdk and install sun java6, then you should be fine
[1:20] <nextgens> Kedlun> where did you get your installer from ?
[1:20] <nextgens> Kedlun> what's the version number of the node you are running ?
[1:20] <nextgens> Kedlun> FYI current key is SSK@tHlY8BK2KFB7JiO2bgeAw~e4sWU43YdJ6kmn73gjrIw,DnQzl0BYed15V8WQn~eRJxxIA-yADuI8XW7mnzEbut8,AQACAAE/revoked
[1:20] <Kedlun> i downloaded the installer off freenetproject.org's download page. here is the pastebin http://pastebin.com/m4631e2e2
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[1:21] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Howdy
[1:21] <Kedlun> hey qazwsxQAZWSX
[1:21] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Howdy Kedlun
[1:21] <Kedlun> nextgens * Freenet 0.7 Build #1153 r20933
[1:21] <Kedlun> * Freenet-ext Build #20 r18484
[1:21] <nextgens> huh
[1:21] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Howdy Nextgens
[1:22] <nextgens> first of all you have two insances of the node running
[1:22] <nextgens> which is obviously bad
[1:22] <nextgens> Kedlun> did you do a re-install or something ?
[1:22] <nextgens> qazwsxQAZWSX> so so
[1:23] <Kedlun> ugh, yeah, alright, i had some old files which i believe I cleared out, but i guess they installed over each other
[1:23] <Kedlun> so, i will just run the uninstall script and re-install through the jar?
[1:23] <nextgens> Kedlun> your installer is using really old keys
[1:23] <Kedlun> *jnlp
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[1:23] <nextgens> I'm not sure how the uninstaller will work in your case :)
[1:24] <nextgens> but yeah, reinstalling is the way to go
[1:24] <Kedlun> nextgens, heh, ok, i will just clear out everything I can, thanks
[1:24] <nextgens> ensure the node is down :)
[1:24] <Kedlun> i have been away from freenet for a loong time
[1:25] <Kedlun> it looks like you guys have done a lot of development within the last year
[1:26] * nextgens is trying out to figure out how the win32 api works
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[1:27] <Kedlun> :/ i dont know if that is a hint, but i think I will move my node back over onto my linux partition anyway...
[1:28] <nextgens> is anyone using "ubuntu intrepid" here ?
[1:29] <nextgens> hmmm
[1:29] <nextgens> they have actually backported a new version to the stable release
[1:30] <qazwsxQAZWSX> All greek to me
[1:30] <nextgens> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openjdk-6/+bug/237083
[1:30] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Is there in FMS support channel?
[1:30] <nextgens> no
[1:31] <nextgens> and there is no FMS support at all :p
[1:31] <Luke771> qazwsxQAZWSX: are you truying to do that java switch that I told you?
[1:31] <qazwsxQAZWSX> I figured that out :p Even google don't help
[1:31] <Kedlun> yeah, uninstall.jar failed, causing it to delete itself and about 3 other random files... add/remove wont do anything without that file, and i am just hard deleting what i can and running app/reg repair software to clean up the lose ends, this is awful
[1:31] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Java switch?
[1:31] <nextgens> Luke771> could you try the 6b10-0ubuntu1 package against the installer please ? it should be in hardy-proposed
[1:32] <Luke771> nextgens: I would but I don't think I'd know what to do
[1:32] <nextgens> Kedlun> you shouldn't have been able to re-installer over such an old installation
[1:33] <nextgens> Luke771> just install that package and try to set a node up with it as your default jvm
[1:33] <Kedlun> i ran the update script from within the original installation folder and it said it was successful, then it wasnt, so i tried the jar
[1:33] <Luke771> qazwsxQAZWSX: I mean uninstalling openjdk and installing sun java as I told you. Is that what you're trying to do?
[1:33] <Luke771> nextgens: ok
[1:33] <Luke771> nextgens: does it have to be right now? I'm kind of in the middle of something
[1:34] <nextgens> Luke771> no
[1:34] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Luke, I didn't see that message from you....Not a bad idea though. I think my problem was I had too much shit running....Firefox, Fuqid, and Frost at the same time
[1:34] <Luke771> OK, it's in list, I'll do that asap
[1:35] <nextgens> qazwsxQAZWSX> if fms had been written in java and its dev wasn't a jerk thinks would have probably been different
[1:35] <qazwsxQAZWSX> One of you admins told me to use FMS last night...Can't figure out how to get on anyone's trust list though
[1:35] <nextgens> *things
[1:35] <nextgens> qazwsxQAZWSX> who ?
[1:36] <Luke771> qazwsxQAZWSX: please join #freenet-chat so I can help you without the two conversations disturbing each other (me-you and neztgens-keldun)
[1:36] <nextgens> fms is insecure anonymity wise
[1:36] <qazwsxQAZWSX> - Toad I think? I can't remember for sure
[1:36] <nextgens> plus it hasn't been code-reviewed
[1:36] <qazwsxQAZWSX> --WIll do, sorry for the interruption....
[1:36] <Luke771> no, that's not a problem this is the freenet support channel
[1:37] <nextgens> toad_> are you seriously suggesting to users to use FMS ?
[1:37] <Luke771> I asked you to join -chat _too_ so we can talk more comfortably, but this one is the official support channel
[1:37] <nextgens> toad_> do you review the new versions as they are released ?
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[1:38] <nextgens> toad_> unless you do review them, I think you should refrain to give users such advices
[1:39] <Kedlun> would it be possible to set up a separate partition to just run my freenet share in so it is accessible from both linux and windows?
[1:40] <Luke771> I heard that at least one user did that Kedlun
[1:41] <Luke771> when I tried to do the same thing, I failed
[1:41] <mrdmx> nextgens: do you know if the vulnerability in fms was fixed?
[1:41] <Luke771> when I modified ubuntu for Linux to run it, it wouldn't run under windows, and when I adjusted it for windows, linux refused to run it
[1:41] <Luke771> but one guy did it, so it must be possible
[1:43] <nextgens> mrdmx> I doubt it
[1:43] <nextgens> mrdmx> and no, I haven't checked
[1:44] <nextgens> mrdmx> as far as I know no one has reviewed the 0.3.x releases at all
[1:44] <nextgens> and considering how many lines of code did change .... it's unlikely to happen
[1:45] <mrdmx> sucks
[1:45] <Kedlun> alright, im off, thanks nextgens and Luke771
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[2:17] <CyberKnet> Thanks Luke771... (been away from keyboard for a bit)
[2:21] <CyberKnet> Luke771: I didn't see anything matching *freemail* than freemail.jar or *.log that contained anything about freemail.
[2:26] * CyberKnet wonders if the freemail process is running with enough permissions
[2:30] <CyberKnet> Hmmm... no, it is running as freenet user with full control of its folder.
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[2:33] <CyberKnet> According to the source, I think it is supposed to use the freenet logger.
[2:36] <CyberKnet> looks like errors trying to load/unload the plugin ... that would make sense.
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[2:42] <toad_> nextgens: "NO CHAT AT ALL" is not a feasible option for freenet. we need chat, or there will be no community.
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[2:49] <TheSeeker> "<nextgens> fms is insecure anonymity wise" ... how exactly is fms insecure anonymity wise any more than freenet as a whole?
[2:58] <Luke771> which trusted Freenet developer (or trusthworty enough users) reviewed the FMS code? When what that done last time? That unsafe enough to me
[2:58] <Luke771> s/what/was
[3:00] <TheSeeker> why do they have to be a freenet developer to be trustworthy?
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[3:04] <CyberKnet> Can anyone comment on whether the following in my log file when freemail is loaded is normal?
[3:04] <CyberKnet> http://pastebin.ca/1061908
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[3:21] <Luke771> TheSeeker> why do they have to be a freenet developer to be trustworthy? <== so we can trust him that he reviewed the code and that if he says that nothing malicious is in it, it is like that?
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[3:26] <TheSeeker> I don't see how "not writing malicious code" has anythign to do with "being a freenet developer or not"
[3:26] <Luke771> no, it has to be with "being trustworthy"
[3:26] <Luke771> in fact, I said " a trustworthy dev or user
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[3:29] <nextgens> TheSeeker> there is at least one identified and exploitable vulnerability in the code
[3:29] <TheSeeker> so now they just have to be a 'trustworthy freenet user' ... do I have any reason NOT to trust SomeDude? (obviously a freenet user)
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[3:42] <Luke771> TheSeeker: we're going around in circles, this discussion leads nowhere. My point was "what reason you DO have to trust SomeDude?
[3:42] <mrdmx> nextgens : you never said how dangerous
[3:42] <Luke771> that's why I said a trustwothy _dev_ or user. There are a bunch of developers that we can very probably trust, and maybe some users that ...probably can be trusted
[3:43] <mrdmx> nextgens: is it arbitrary code execution?
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[3:43] <Luke771> anyhow, as I said this discussion leads nowhere, and it's not ever 'really' freenet-realted, it's more lika kind of... philosophiceal
[3:43] * Luke771 suggests that we quit it
[3:43] <nextgens> Luke771> they are some devs you have to trust as you are already running their code
[3:44] <nextgens> mrdmx> it's not arbitrary code execution in the usual sense; but it leads to information disclosure
[3:44] <Luke771> nextgens: yesù
[3:45] <Luke771> yes
[3:45] <nextgens> mrdmx> how much of information has still to be established
[3:45] <Luke771> therefore, code reviewed by those dvs would be "assumed to be safe"
[3:45] <nextgens> mrdmx> my guess is that it can lead to the disclosure of both your IDs and ip addresses
[3:45] <mrdmx> nextgens: sounds weird
[3:46] <mrdmx> what kind of bug is that
[3:46] <nextgens> mrdmx> which in freenet's case has to be considered critical
[3:47] <mrdmx> yeah
[3:47] <mrdmx> perhaps somedude is malicious
[3:47] <nextgens> I don't think it has been done on purpose
[3:47] <nextgens> it's about lazy input sanitization
[3:47] <nextgens> which is a common security bug
[3:48] <nextgens> ^w problem
[3:48] <nextgens> qazwsxQAZWSX> huh ?
[3:48] <mrdmx> ok, im guessing its got to do with sqlite
[3:49] <mrdmx> i thought it wasnt vulnerable because of the way it works
[3:49] <nextgens> qazwsxQAZWSX> what am I supposed to do with that ?
[3:52] <nextgens> qazwsxQAZWSX> put it on the web if you want me to look at it
[3:52] <mrdmx> i think he was going to send it to me
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[4:02] <TheSeeker> hrm, build errors went away when I used db40 java1.2 instead of java5 ... but I still get a crash on startup. Different area this time though. *tries debugging*
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[4:29] <TheSeeker> nope, still can't get it to work. And after deleting the node.db4o file and having it re-create it, the crash went back to the previous place it was happening at before.
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[6:42] <aoeu> how much store space is good for a freenet node?
[6:42] * aoeu wants the best performance possible
[6:43] <aoeu> is there any such thing as too much store space?
[6:44] <aoeu> like what would happen if i gave freenet 1TB?
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[7:12] <Ratchet> nextgens: Ratchet> the installer runs as root ??
[7:12] <Ratchet> nextgens: he seemed to be able to install as root
[7:14] <TheSeeker> aoeu: If you gave freenet 1TB of space... it would take days to reconstruct after a bad crash. :P
[7:15] <aoeu> but would it be feasible for a fast box that runs 24/7Z
[7:15] <aoeu> *?
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[7:32] <Ratchet> nextgens: as ubuntu user he nost likeley used sudo. perhaps that's the reason it was possible?
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[7:52] <TheSeeker> *boggle* http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/07/court-ruling-will-expose-viewing-habits-youtube-us
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[8:11] <dbkr> CyberKnet: that's actually a red herring - the exception is from Freenet, not Freemail
[8:11] <dbkr> as is the config file writing message
[8:12] <dbkr> well, actually they're all from Freenet, as it's just the node saying that it's loaded the plugin
[8:13] <dbkr> we really need to log to a separate file :/
[8:13] <dbkr> CyberKnet: what was the cause for concern?
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[8:38] <nextgens> Ratchet> I'll double-check that
[8:38] <nextgens> dbkr> so, tell us, how is your soc student doing?
[8:39] <dbkr> okay - it's still fairly early days really
[8:41] <nextgens> does he need a svn account or something ?
[8:42] <dbkr> will do at some point, I've let him know to contact you
[8:43] <Luke771> Soon enough I'll have Test-Ubuntu VM (curretnly installing). Now the question is, where do I get 6b10-0ubuntu1 ?
[8:43] <nextgens> it's supposed to be in hardy-propose
[8:44] <nextgens> it's supposed to be in hardy-proposed
[8:44] <Luke771> and that would be? Repos? Website?
[8:45] <nextgens> dunno, I'm not an ubuntu guy
[8:45] <Luke771> hm
[8:45] <Luke771> ok I?l try to find out
[8:52] <nextgens> does anyone here have the buggy version of openjdk instaled ?
[8:52] <nextgens> *installed
[8:52] * nextgens will put the instructions in the installer while he is at it
[8:52] <Smar> ”buggy version”?
[8:53] <nextgens> the version ubuntu ships in hardy
[8:54] <Smar> I don't use it.
[8:55] <nextgens> okay, will make an other workaround then
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[9:04] <Anarhist> i have found a bug in the current download resuming code, i think i won't file any bugs though, as i understand it will soon be completely replaced anyhow
[9:04] <nextgens> Anarhist> ?
[9:04] <nextgens> Anarhist> what's the bug ?
[9:04] <Anarhist> if you delete the download while it is resuming, it continues to resume (you can hear the harddrive thrashing)
[9:05] <nextgens> that's not exactly "normal operation" ;)
[9:06] <Anarhist> yeah, but i figured that this use case doesn't happen often enough to warrant a bug, at this time
[9:06] <Anarhist> the code will go out of the window anyhow
[9:07] <Anarhist> i have been thinking about real download resuming, won't it cause popular files to fall off faster?
[9:08] <nextgens> it will cause problems
[9:08] <nextgens> including data persistence related ones yeah
[9:08] <nextgens> but that's the obvious part of the iceberg
[9:08] <Anarhist> hmm, what else is there?
[9:09] <nextgens> churn related problems
[9:09] <Anarhist> what do you mean?
[9:09] <nextgens> if you provide download-resuming, that's yetAnotherIncentive to keep your node running which goes away
[9:10] <Anarhist> not really, there were times when i could start my node up for a few hours, but i didn't because i knew that it will be useless for about 3 hours of that time anyhow
[9:10] <Anarhist> so if i shut the node down, i take it down for a bit
[9:10] <mrdmx> hmm i think this reminds me of a flog entry
[9:11] <nextgens> your point being ?
[9:11] <Anarhist> that many people will give up on freenet all together if they realise that it is useless for the first few hours after start up
[9:11] <nextgens> what do you mean useless ?
[9:12] <nextgens> here the node starts up fine
[9:12] <nextgens> and is operational quickly
[9:13] <Anarhist> well, combine it with the fact that ubuntu for some reason uses cpu (a lot of cycles too) for hdd access, and we have a problem
[9:13] <Anarhist> i cannot even read e-mail for the first 30 minutes or so after the node boot up
[9:13] <Anarhist> it takes about a minute just to move a single spam message to trash
[9:14] <Anarhist> so when the node goes down, i keep it down until the evening, and then start it up and leave
[9:14] <Anarhist> in the morning i can use the computer again
[9:14] <Anarhist> how many people do you think would keep the freenet node if they'd have to do that?
[9:15] <Anarhist> how many people cannot have their computer on 24/7
[9:15] <nextgens> that's the first time I hear of such an issue
[9:15] <nextgens> thanks for bug reporting *g*
[9:16] <nextgens> if freenet chew up the CPU for ages it means that there is a bug
[9:16] <Anarhist> the ubuntu thing was discussed on this chan some time ago, and we pretty much agreed that this is a problem with os, not freenet
[9:16] <nextgens> which obviously can't be fixed if it's not reported
[9:17] <Anarhist> i am scared reporting bugs by now, somebody who goes by the name "NextGen$" takes almost every bug i report as a personal insult
[9:17] <nextgens> ?
[9:18] <Anarhist> and as i have said the problem isn't that freenet uses CPU, the problem is that resuming from cache uses hdd, and ubuntu decides that it will prioritise hdd access, and thus it uses cpu
[9:19] <Anarhist> for example if i move 5G file or something, i have CPU at 100% for quite some time also
[9:20] <nextgens> we could force-slow down the IO rate
[9:21] <nextgens> but that's definitly not the path we are taking atm
[9:21] <nextgens> both of toad's branch and sdiz's one are much more IO intensive
[9:21] <Anarhist> ouch
[9:21] <nextgens> I heard that MacOS has some problems with dealing with heavy IOs too
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[9:23] <Anarhist> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/236141
[9:23] <nextgens> Anarhist> I don't get what you are referring to regarding the bug reporting
[9:23] <nextgens> I've fixed one of the bugs you reported yesterday
[9:24] <nextgens> #2297
[9:24] <Anarhist> yes i did notice that, about the linking to static pages
[9:24] <Anarhist> but sometimes i feel that you would punch me if you could
[9:24] <nextgens> #2438 ?
[9:25] <nextgens> yes I would for that one
[9:25] <nextgens> it's *really* not helpful
[9:26] <nextgens> and you didn't reply when I asked for more information
[9:26] <Anarhist> sanity asked me to report that one
[9:26] <nextgens> which did piss me off even more
[9:26] <Anarhist> it was posted on Frost, i forwarded it here
[9:26] <Anarhist> he asked me to file a bug
[9:26] <Anarhist> when you asked for info i have forwarded that request back to frost
[9:27] <nextgens> there is no point in filling bugs to fill bugs
[9:27] <Anarhist> the response was "why does he act this way"
[9:27] <nextgens> they are three different problems in that frost post; aggregating them into one ticket doesn't help
[9:28] <Anarhist> are you saying that if i would file 3 bugs you would respond calmer?
[9:28] <nextgens> Anarhist> what would have you done if you were in my shoes ?
[9:28] <Anarhist> i don't know
[9:28] <nextgens> that bug reports clearly lacks of information
[9:29] <nextgens> point 1 is fair but could have used urls
[9:29] <Anarhist> i know that english isn't your native tongue, but i think that you *do* see the difference between "that bug report lacks information" and "That's a useless ticket"
[9:29] <nextgens> point 2 ... I'm still trying to understand what it means
[9:30] <nextgens> and then ... last point is non argumented and has already been debated numerous times
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[9:30] <nextgens> Anarhist> both are compatible statements
[9:31] <nextgens> it lacks information and because of that it's useless
[9:31] <Anarhist> what would you have done in my shoes? i have forwarded a frost post to IRC and was asked to fill in a bug report, i was busy, so i just copied the post to the bug tracker
[9:31] <Anarhist> ok, perhaps it *is* a language issue
[9:32] <Anarhist> useless is quite a powerful word the way you used it
[9:32] <nextgens> Anarhist> I didn't know someone told you to fill it in
[9:32] <nextgens> I personally wouldn't have taken any action; or filled three different tickets
[9:32] <Anarhist> but you did see that it was a frost post, so you knew that it wasn't my post, but simply a forward, correct?
[9:33] <nextgens> but a meta-ticket composed of 3 different, unrelated problems is not helpful
[9:33] <nextgens> Anarhist> I probably didn't pay attention to that;
[9:33] <nextgens> first of all it was misscategorized
[9:34] <nextgens> I ended up handling it because its category was "installer"
[9:34] <Anarhist> sanity told me to categorise it as installer... q;-)
[9:34] <Anarhist> so i wash my hands off of that one also
[9:34] <nextgens> sanity doesn't fix bugs anymore :)
[9:34] <Anarhist> then there is this -> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=2307
[9:35] <Anarhist> where i told you twice that i wasn't talking about download resuming
[9:35] <Anarhist> and you still kept telling me that i was
[9:35] <Anarhist> q8-|
[9:35] <nextgens> " Summary 0002307: Loss of progress on Inserts and Loss of blocks for Downloads"
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[9:36] <nextgens> heh, we must have real language issues then :)
[9:36] <Anarhist> yes, the blocks were lost, they were lost in the cache
[9:36] <Anarhist> that's what i was saying
[9:37] <Anarhist> i knew that i downloaded these blocks last time, and even after the download completely resumed i was missing them
[9:38] <nextgens> you are assuming the store and cache are keeping them
[9:38] <nextgens> which isn't always true
[9:38] <Anarhist> the fact was that the root problem *was* OutOfMemories, which were currupting the blocks in cache (something wasn't being written before Freenet terminated)
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[9:39] <Anarhist> the thing is that the blocks were meant to be there
[9:39] <Anarhist> they were "currupt or bogus"
[9:40] <Anarhist> so something was being written, but not entirely or not correctly
[9:40] <Anarhist> i still have these sometimes, espectially when the node crashes for whatever reason
[9:41] <nextgens> the jvm's behaviour is unpredictable when OOM exceptions are thrown
[9:41] <nextgens> the node was handling it gracefully, deleting corrupt blocks on restart :)
[9:41] <Anarhist> exactly
[9:42] <Luke771> found 6b10-0ubuntu1 deb package. Now the problem is that I (stupidly enough) thought that installing the ubuntu I had on CD and upgrading it to latest version woiuld be quicked than downloading an iso image and install the latest version right away, so now I'm in the middle of a version upgrade with estmated 53 minutes left to complete
[9:43] <Luke771> bah.
[9:43] <Anarhist> you'll be all right
[9:44] <Luke771> sure
[9:44] <Anarhist> did you read about the hdd io => hi cpu problem i was talking to ng about?
[9:44] <Luke771> only sloooowly
[9:45] <Luke771> oh, it was to him. OK
[9:45] * Luke771 goes back to what he was doing
[9:46] <nextgens> Anarhist> will you attend to the freenet summit in london ?
[9:46] <Anarhist> i was thinking about it, the thing is that when i heard that there will be food i've decided not to
[9:47] <Anarhist> in my experience that's a mistake in meetings like that
[9:47] <Anarhist> there was a 3 day anarchist gathering somewhere in austria, they have decided to serve food, and spent 2 days arguing about what kind of food to serve
[9:48] <Anarhist> i know it will probably not turn out like that will freenet, but part of the reason why it will not turn out like that is because i won't go
[9:50] <nextgens> the main difference is that the meeting is not going to be 3 days long :)
[9:50] <nextgens> so you can't possibly spend 2 argueing :p
[9:51] <Anarhist> the thing is still that the intelligent thing is to separate the two things, eating and summit
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[9:51] <nextgens> that's a cultural problem I guess
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[9:51] <Anarhist> a political one
[9:51] <nextgens> maybe
[9:51] * Anarhist is a radical vegan
[9:51] <nextgens> anyway, you should have said that on the ML :)
[9:52] <Anarhist> well, i was thinking about going, and i didn't realise that it's "food + summit"
[9:52] <Anarhist> by the time i heard of it, it was already yesterday evening
[9:52] <Anarhist> and it's too late to bring that up
[9:53] <Anarhist> i am an asshole, but i don't expect everybody to drop all the plans because of something i bring up
[9:53] <Anarhist> i'm sure there will be something else next time, and i'll bring this up then
[9:53] <nextgens> eh, I was just asking :)
[9:53] <Anarhist> i know
[9:53] <Anarhist> q;-)
[9:53] * nextgens can't make it either
[9:53] <Anarhist> how come?
[9:54] <nextgens> I'm in Korea atm
[9:54] <Anarhist> wow
[9:54] <nextgens> but from your whois I thought you would be closeby
[9:54] <nextgens> hence I asked :)
[9:54] <Anarhist> let's just say that i'm meeting some people tomorrow in london
[9:54] <Anarhist> so i am close by
[9:55] <Anarhist> so is it a secret what you are doing in Korea?
[9:56] <nextgens> studying
[9:56] <nextgens> well, partying and travelling now that the term is over
[9:56] <Anarhist> q;-)
[9:56] <nextgens> but I can't move my plane ticket easily
[9:56] <nextgens> and anyway, the meeting is too short to justify doing it :)
[9:56] <Anarhist> yeah
[9:57] <Anarhist> you'd spend more time on the plain then the meeting takes
[9:57] * nextgens moves to london in september
[9:57] <Anarhist> oh
[9:57] <Anarhist> continuing the studies?
[9:57] <nextgens> I'm done with them :)
[9:58] <Anarhist> nice
[9:58] * Anarhist is doing masters now
[9:58] <nextgens> well, I'll be doing my final internship, that's it
[9:58] <nextgens> Anarhist> I have sort of a masters degree
[9:58] <Anarhist> "sort of"?
[9:59] <nextgens> 'will have' to be pedantic
[9:59] <nextgens> yeah, it's a french engineering diploma
[9:59] <nextgens> not really a masters degree
[9:59] <Anarhist> i see
[9:59] <Anarhist> so i don't have to call you "Master nextgens"
[10:00] <nextgens> hehe :)
[10:00] <nextgens> masters degree aren't well valuated in France
[10:00] <Anarhist> well, they aren't really well valued anywhere
[10:00] <Anarhist> i am doing it for myself
[10:01] <Anarhist> and because i wanted a research degree
[10:01] <Anarhist> i'd like to go into academia perhaps
[10:01] <nextgens> anyway, that's off topic; let's move to pms
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[10:38] <sleon> nextgens: with your knowledge you will be rich :)
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[11:41] <Luke771> I'm trying to install 6b10-0ubuntu1 on ubuntu to test a node with it, I got a .deb package but when I try to use it the package manager tells me that there's an unresolavle dependency: openjdk-6-jre! It _is_ installed and I even tried to reinstall it, just in case, but I got the same error 'unresolveable dependency' despite the 'uninstallable' package is there and installed
[11:42] <Luke771> now I'm tyrying to find that line that forces install, it was something like dpkg --force-all /path/to/package.deb ... but I don't remeber exactly
[11:43] * toad_ is struggling with optimising the database code to the point that it might actually be usable
[11:43] * toad_ is getting there, the work so far has had a significant effect, and the next step is fairly clear
[11:43] <Luke771> ok, I'm not gonna bug you
[11:44] <Luke771> (I'll bug you later:P )
[11:44] <toad_> 6b10-0ubuntu1? you mean java?
[11:44] <Luke771> yeah
[11:44] <toad_> so sun java depends on openjdk?
[11:45] <toad_> or you didn't find the correct package?
[11:45] <Luke771> nextgenz asked me to install it and try to run a node on it
[11:45] <toad_> on debian it's sun-java6-jdk
[11:45] <Luke771> no, without sun java
[11:45] <Luke771> openjdk
[11:45] <toad_> ah, he wants you to try a more recent version of openjdk?
[11:45] <toad_> to see if the bug has been fixed?
[11:46] <Luke771> IIUC there's this new openjdk java around and he wants to know how well (or badly Freenet runs on it
[11:46] <Luke771> after all, being able to switch from propretary to open stuff as reommended package is Good(tm)
[11:46] <toad_> but the new version of openjdk depends on the old one? or you can't remove the old one?
[11:47] <Luke771> I don't know exactly. Maybe it's not a completely new version but a patch for the old one
[11:47] <toad_> what are you trying to do? remove the old one or install the new one?
[11:47] <Luke771> that would explain why the openjdk jre is required
[11:47] <Luke771> I'm installing 6b10-0ubuntu1 on an Ubuntu VM
[11:47] <toad_> what are you installing? a jre?
[11:47] <toad_> what is the package name?
[11:47] <Luke771> i installed that
[11:48] <Luke771> openjdk-6-jdk_6b10-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:48] <toad_> okay ...
[11:48] <toad_> that's the JDK
[11:48] <toad_> you want the JRE
[11:48] <toad_> you probably want both
[11:48] <Luke771> it required openjdk-6-jre as a dependency
[11:49] <toad_> yeah you need both
[11:49] <toad_> find a JRE of the new version as well
[11:49] <Luke771> ok
[11:49] <Luke771> and also install openjdk jdk? or is that what the package is in the first place?
[11:49] <toad_> if it works, find an apt source so you don't have to do this manually in the future
[11:50] <Luke771> and if so why would that be needed to run freenet? maybe I'm supposed to compile it
[11:50] <toad_> install both if you want to build stuff
[11:50] <Luke771> I don't
[11:50] <toad_> just the JRE if you only want to run jars
[11:50] <Luke771> I just wanted to do the testing that nesgens asked me
[11:50] <Luke771> sure
[11:50] <Luke771> but then I havent understood what he meant
[11:50] * toad_ is glad that you and nextgens are on speaking terms now :)
[11:51] <Luke771> maybe he wants me to actually compile freenet with that package
[11:51] <toad_> nah
[11:51] <Luke771> that's never been a problem
[11:51] <toad_> you will need the JDK if you want to compile for example the db4o branch
[11:51] <Luke771> I still hate his attitude but it's cool as long as he doesnt display it
[11:51] <toad_> if you just want to run the installer jar - which is the first problem - you only need the JRE
[11:52] <toad_> iirc the problem with ubuntu-openjdk was the installer
[11:52] <toad_> so try it
[11:52] <Luke771> yeah but the installer only required jre
[11:52] <Luke771> and I have installed it using openjdk jre once
[11:52] <Luke771> but otoh that was before people began to report problems with it
[11:53] <toad_> well, try the new version
[11:53] <toad_> unless nextgens gave different instructions?
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[11:53] <Luke771> nestgens told me to install 6b10-0ubuntu1 and try to run a node on it, and I assumed that it would modify the jre, not install the jdk, because I wouldn't need it if it did
[11:53] <Luke771> (maybe it does both)
[11:54] <toad_> so do it
[11:54] <toad_> you don't need the JDK
[11:54] <toad_> unless you want to build stuff
[11:54] <Luke771> anyhow the problem is still that I can't install it with the GUI package manager
[11:54] <toad_> you DO need the JRE of the new version
[11:54] <Luke771> I could try with dpkg if I could remeber the line to force install
[11:54] <toad_> find the JRE package
[11:54] <Luke771> it must be something like --force-all
[11:55] <toad_> [12:48] <Luke771> openjdk-6-jdk_6b10-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:55] <toad_> that's a JDK package
[11:55] <Luke771> I DO have the jre of the latest repo version
[11:55] <Luke771> ok
[11:55] <Luke771> so I need to find 6b10-0ubuntu1, but a JRE
[11:55] <Luke771> got it
[11:55] <toad_> openjdk - name of underlying package, 6 - java major version, jdk - JDK (for building, needs JRE), not JRE (runtime, for running)
[11:55] <toad_> etc
[11:55] <Luke771> sure
[11:56] <Luke771> he only said 6b10-0ubuntu1 and that's the first 6b10-0ubuntu1 I found. OK, I'll try to find the JRE version of that thing
[11:56] <Luke771> and maybe I also understood what the dependency thing was, it wnated 6b10-0ubuntu1-JRE
[11:56] <toad_> good hunting
[11:56] <toad_> yep
[11:56] <Luke771> ok, then
[11:56] <Luke771> thx
[11:57] <toad_> now, if I have the Segment (not the SubSegment) be the subscriber for onGotKey() ... I should get a roughly factor of two speedup, at least ...
[11:58] <Luke771> HA
[11:58] <toad_> that means major refactoring, so I need to commit what I have first, and fix the "request is empty/cancelled" messages ...
[11:58] <Luke771> I found it at the first hit
[11:58] <toad_> hah
[11:58] <Luke771> I loaded the same url I got the jdk package from, the replaced 'jdk' with 'jre' and hit enter, and it worked.
[11:58] <Luke771> now lets see
[11:58] <toad_> :)
[12:02] <Luke771> requires openjdk headless (installing)
[12:03] <Luke771> oh yeah, I shouldn't bug. OK, I'll msg only of something weird happens
[12:09] <Bombe> Yo, hi.
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[12:12] <jaims> hello
[12:12] <kork> yo Bombe word up ;)
[12:12] <jaims> un quick question?
[12:12] <Bombe> Hey kork.
[12:13] <jaims> how do I change my nick name in my freenet? I've installed in windows, using the setup.exe. I entered a nickname but I'd like to change it
[12:15] <Bombe> jaims, go to http://localhost:8888/ (assuming that's very you installed it), click "Configuration" and look in the "node" section. You can enter the name there
[12:16] <jaims> ok
[12:16] <jaims> FProxy
[12:16] <jaims> I've been there but havent found it :-(
[12:16] <Bombe> "Nickname for this Freenet node" is the setting.
[12:16] <jaims> :)
[12:16] <jaims> true
[12:17] <Bombe> Of course. I don't lie before 18:00 UTC. :)
[12:17] <jaims> It's really easy, I don't understand how I've missed that
[12:17] <jaims> :)
[12:17] <jaims> Ty very much, Bombe
[12:18] <Bombe> No problem.
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[12:19] <jaims> bye all
[12:19] <jaims> and thanx again :)
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[12:31] <toad_> Bombe: if you lie after midnight do you turn into a gremlin?
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[12:57] <Luke771> total failure
[12:57] <Luke771> can't even install the ubuntu1-what's-it's-name jre
[12:58] <Luke771> requires the headless jre and the jre-lib
[12:58] <Luke771> those two refuse to install because each has the other as dependecy
[12:58] <Luke771> so I tried to install the three of them with one dpkg line
[12:59] <Luke771> it looked like it was working but it retutned one error (unspecified: "exited with errors" without telling me what)
[12:59] <Luke771> the error was acout the actual jre
[12:59] <Luke771> when I tried to open the three packages with the package manager, all of them couldn't be opened because of 'broken dependencies'
[13:00] <Luke771> and that would be all for now, I'll try again later, now I have stuff to do
[13:23] <sdiz> Luke771: in command line do `sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get -f install ` to fix the dependancy
[13:23] <sdiz> -f means "fix"
[13:30] <nextgens> rehi
[13:30] <nextgens> Luke771> please test the installer
[13:35] <Luke771> nextgens: I can't
[13:35] <Luke771> not with that ubuntu1 thng that you told me
[13:35] <Luke771> wait, I'll try sidzs' line and see if it fioxes it
[13:35] <Luke771> fixes*
[13:36] <Luke771> if it does I'll run the installer. If not, I'll be back on it later because I have stuff to do
[13:36] <Luke771> lol, in fact, dpkg even told me to do that
[13:37] <nextgens> :|
[13:39] <Luke771> OK, looks good
[13:40] <Luke771> java -version: openJDK build 1.6.0-b1o. Running the installer now
[13:43] <Luke771> should I let it install all the plugins or the node itself is enough?
[13:43] <Luke771> nextgens: see abov
[13:43] <Luke771> e
[13:44] <Luke771> (I guess plugins have nothing to do with it)
[13:45] <nextgens> node is enough
[13:49] <Luke771> fetching files...
[13:50] <Luke771> completed with no errors
[13:50] <Luke771> running wizard
[13:52] <Luke771> well, looks like it works
[13:53] <Luke771> the only hassle was installihng the jre. as longa as it's not installable with synaptic or at least with a GUI package manager it's not user-friendly enough imho
[13:55] <Luke771> nextgens: you want me to queue dome downloads/uploads?
[13:55] <nextgens> yes please, do some basic testing
[13:56] <Luke771> BUG!
[13:56] <Luke771> I selected 256MB max mem in the wizard but I see it set to 128M in the config plage
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[13:57] <Luke771> maybe that's expected: now that I think of it, the max mem for that VM is set to 256M
[13:59] <Luke771> if I set a too high value or max mem in the wizard (say = total physical mem) would the wizard reduce it auromatically?
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[15:07] <toad_> no
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[15:11] <Luke771> then it's either a bug, or maybe I had it to 128 and only "thought" I had changed it to 256. I'll try the experiment next time.
[15:12] <Luke771> afk, cya later
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[15:20] <kork> yikes, amazon s3 is sloooooow today
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[15:39] <toad_> luke771_afk: it only changes on restart
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[16:23] <reflect> if you forgot your FMS id, is there any way to retrieve that information?
[16:30] <dbkr> isn' it in the web interface?
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[16:32] <reflect> but ofcourse.. thanks (forgot there was one)
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[20:31] <reflect> anyone here using Chandler? http://chandlerproject.org/
[20:31] <reflect> looks like something which is thought-through and quite useful
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[20:51] <CyberKnet> dbkr: The cause for concern was that I can't get outlook to connect via imap with my user / password that I created from the command line.
[20:51] <CyberKnet> dbkr: I was hoping there was a config somewhere that I could edit to make sure of settings, or some such.
[20:53] <CyberKnet> I suspected that when freemail was loading that an exception was preventing my account from being loaded from config.\
[20:53] <CyberKnet> maybe a filesystem rights issue (although I did check to make sure the freenet user had complete access to its directory and subdirectories) or something like that.
[21:05] <reflect> those easily exploited issues with outlook (ie, some of its very features) .. those are fixed now?
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[21:07] <reflect> been a long time since I actually followed it.. I kind of stopped many years ago when it was.. well, horrid to follow
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[21:52] <StefftheEmperor> good evening *g*
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[22:09] <vauge> hello freenet
[22:09] <toad_> hi
[22:10] <vauge> I have a couple of silly questions... can't seem to find the answer to.
[22:11] <vauge> Using FMS, can I connect before announced?
[22:11] <vauge> ^using thunderbird or any newsreader
[22:13] <Tommy[D]> you can read before announced, just not write (nobody will be able to read your text)
[22:13] <vauge> hrmm....
[22:14] * vauge is going crazy
[22:14] <vauge> thunderbird and pan both say localhost connection refused.
[22:16] <Tommy[D]> which version of fms do you use? Did you make sure fms is running and listening?
[22:16] <vauge> FMS 0.3.4
[22:16] <vauge> it shows that is has dl boards and peers
[22:18] <vauge> I've tried both binary and compiled myself
[22:19] <Tommy[D]> i did not test 0.3.x, i am still at latest 0.2 release
[22:21] <vauge> hrmm, it does not have that version available on the site
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[22:27] <vauge> I wonder if ubuntu might be blocking port 1119
[22:28] <Tommy[D]> http://localhost:8888/freenet:SSK@0npnMrqZNKRCRoGojZV93UNHCMN-6UU3rRSAmP6jNLE,~BG-edFtdCC1cSH4O3BWdeIYa8Sw5DfyrSV-TKdO5ec,AQACAAE/fms-58/prototype.htm
[22:29] <Tommy[D]> thats the download page for 0.2.23
[22:29] <vauge> thx :)
[22:36] <vauge> rock and roll. :)
[22:37] <vauge> Thank you Tommy[D] - 0.2.23 works.
[22:39] <Tommy[D]> vauge: your welcome :)
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[22:48] * toad_ wonders if he should do any preparation for the summit ... I'd like to talk about the two proposed security measures...
[22:49] <toad_> and the three attacks they guard against, and the possible side benefits they may brign
[22:49] <toad_> bring
[22:50] <toad_> i'm hoping vive and oskar can be persuaded to come up with some swapping enhancements ... then the network will settle faster, we can randomize more and be secure against swapping attacks ...
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