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[0:06] <Cooo> toad_: Yep..
[0:09] <Cooo> I will keep the node up and running during the weekend, updating to newest stable will be eralist monday. That would give me an uptime of ~2 weeks :) With the right conditions Freenet is stable:)
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[0:09] <Cooo> Well.. off to bed.. night all
[0:09] <nextgens> hey
[0:09] <Cooo> hi.
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[0:35] <nextgens> tell saces that his bug wih update.sh might have been fixed
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[1:26] <nunya> What's up Fellas
[1:27] <nunya> am I muted?
[1:28] <nunya> looks that way.....
[1:28] <nunya> damn I fell like I'm talking to my woman, I have something to say but noone is listening :(
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[1:30] <qazwsxQAZWSX> texting
[1:30] <nextgens> qazwsxQAZWSX> it works
[1:30] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Think I found an unregistered name...
[1:30] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Thanks...
[1:31] <nextgens> it was working previously too
[1:31] <qazwsxQAZWSX> oh, noone was just talking with me....alrighty, I need to learn IRC
[1:31] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Saw the channel when I was looking up Freenet and came to check it out.....why so many people and noone's talking?
[1:32] <qazwsxQAZWSX> except Naked...I know what they're doing here....
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[1:35] <qazwsxQAZWSX> I'm guessing that asking for refs would be a waste of time....
[1:36] <qazwsxQAZWSX> alrighty, a question then....
[1:37] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Wasn't in the help files, I already looked
[1:38] <qazwsxQAZWSX> When I loaded Freenet for the first time yesterday, it worked fast, even Frost boards downloaded dozens of messages very quickly
[1:39] <qazwsxQAZWSX> COmputer had to restart, reloaded Freenet, and everything went slow as hell. I was still passing a huge amount of traffic, (datastore over 2 gig this morning) but none of it was coming to me
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[1:39] <qazwsxQAZWSX> couldn't even load a Freesite. Any ideas?
[1:39] <toad_> how many peers?
[1:40] <toad_> if you restart your computer, assuming it takes ages, you will lose most of your connections
[1:40] <toad_> so it will be slow for a while as it gets more connections
[1:40] <qazwsxQAZWSX> It was opennet, between 10-15 CONNECTED peers at a given time
[1:40] <toad_> it is also possible that it gets connections but not very good connections
[1:41] <qazwsxQAZWSX> No, I let it run overnight. Like I said, the datastore was HUGE, but frost had only 1 message on a board updated, and the freesite page I hit before bed still hadn't loaded
[1:42] <qazwsxQAZWSX> It could just be bad connections, but I first tried Freenet a couple of years ago and I remember the same thing happening, that's why I quit using it
[1:43] <toad_> well report a bug then don't just moan and uninstall! :)
[1:43] <toad_> lets get your story straight please
[1:43] <qazwsxQAZWSX> I'm not moaning and uninstalling, I'm seeking help. I doubt it's a bug, I'm probably just a moron and doing something wrong
[1:44] <toad_> it was working okay
[1:44] <toad_> then you rebooted
[1:44] <toad_> and then you left it for 10 hours
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[1:44] <qazwsxQAZWSX> yeah, that's about right
[1:44] <toad_> and you came back and there were at least 10 connected peers on Strangers
[1:44] <toad_> but everything you tried to fetch returned Route not found
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[1:45] <toad_> is that correct?
[1:45] <qazwsxQAZWSX> souns about right
[1:45] <toad_> that's bizarre and incomprehensible
[1:45] <qazwsxQAZWSX> didn't get a route not found, I's just get nothing...like a song would say "downloading" but never show any progress
[1:46] <toad_> was it making progress the previous day?
[1:46] <toad_> THE SAME FILE i mean
[1:46] <qazwsxQAZWSX> yeah, even got a couple downloaded
[1:46] <toad_> THE SAME FILE?
[1:46] <qazwsxQAZWSX> yup, probably had 4 with some progress
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[1:46] <toad_> many files on freenet are just gone, hard to find, not likely to make progress
[1:47] <toad_> also frost only updates when it's actually running
[1:47] <qazwsxQAZWSX> I had Frost running as well as freenet all night
[1:47] <toad_> with automatic updating turned on?
[1:47] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Played with Fuqid, but it seemed that both Frost and Fuqid couldn't work at the same time
[1:47] <qazwsxQAZWSX> yup
[1:47] <toad_> iirc Frost is being DoS'ed at the moment, did any boards show up in red?
[1:48] <toad_> some days it is, some days it isn't
[1:48] <toad_> well ignore Frost then
[1:48] <qazwsxQAZWSX> No, a couple of posts showed up red but not whole boards
[1:48] <toad_> hmmm well it varies from day to day
[1:48] <toad_> but because of it most people have abandoned frost for FMS
[1:49] <toad_> the last couple weekly reports showed no DoS ... but there were some reports of red boards recently ...
[1:50] <qazwsxQAZWSX> I read about FMS but can't figure that shit out either. I don't want to give up, I like the concept
[1:50] <toad_> anyway, w.r.t. your downloads, the exact same files had made some progress the previous day, but didn't make any more overnight?
[1:50] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Yup
[1:50] <toad_> did you try fetching some likely popular recentish content like freesites?
[1:51] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Yeah, same thing....It would stick on "loading" unless it was previously cached
[1:52] <toad_> until the browser times out or for a few seconds?
[1:53] <toad_> just because X is fast one day doesn't mean Y will be fast the next day
[1:53] <qazwsxQAZWSX> forever.... no time out
[1:53] <toad_> how long is forever?
[1:54] <qazwsxQAZWSX> hours..... then before bed I opened a few tabs..... They were still going this morning (loading)
[1:54] <nextgens> forever doesn't exist in CS
[1:54] <toad_> were you able to access generated pages? i mean, the queue page etc?
[1:54] <toad_> the node homepage, the strangers list?
[1:54] <qazwsxQAZWSX> yup, they were fine
[1:55] <toad_> well, it could still be a deadlock ... generate a stack dump, send us wrapper.log, also look for ERRORs in logs/* ...
[1:56] <qazwsxQAZWSX> ANd I was passing a shit-ton of data because a) I could hear my hard-drive whirring b)My datastore was HUGE this morning and C) I have a feeling
[1:56] <toad_> file a bug on the bug tracker, include this conversation
[1:56] <nextgens> juil. 03, 2008 01:55:08:349 (freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler, Scheduled job: freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler$1@37a04c(131), NORMAL): JFK's TransientKey has been changed and the message cache flushed.
[1:56] <nextgens> juil. 03, 2008 01:55:08:744 (freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler, Scheduled job: freenet.node.NodePinger@88b858(131), NORMAL): JFK's TransientKey has been changed and the message cache flushed.
[1:57] <nextgens> hmm
[1:57] <nextgens> we are rekeying twice
[1:57] <qazwsxQAZWSX> One thing that might help....
[1:57] <toad_> qazwsxQAZWSX: please?
[1:58] <qazwsxQAZWSX> I re-installed Freenet about an hour ago, since then CURRENT ACTIVITY shows 95MB in, 73MB out... Shouldn't I be seeing some activity on Frost boards with that?
[1:58] <toad_> qazwsxQAZWSX: please could you file a bug? https://bugs.freenetproject.org/ - you will need to create an account so we can contact you
[1:58] <toad_> maybe
[1:58] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Yeah, what's a stack dump?
[1:59] <toad_> two weeks ago there was no activity on frost except the pedo boards, the mainstream boards were a bit more active last week... (according to the weekly board stats posted on FMS, Frost and a freesite)
[1:59] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Damn, shitload of "BACKED OFF"s
[1:59] <toad_> click on the stats page, find a button called "Generate a Thread Dump"
[1:59] <qazwsxQAZWSX> I set to get messages 60 days back :/
[2:00] <toad_> 60 days back you will certainly run into DoS
[2:00] <toad_> get FMS
[2:00] <toad_> good night
[2:00] <nextgens> qazwsxQAZWSX> what is your average mean ping ?
[2:01] <toad_> please file that bug
[2:01] <nextgens> (you can see it on the statistics page)
[2:01] <toad_> unless nextgens resolves the bug and tells you not to file a bug
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[2:01] <nextgens> (nodeAveragePingTime:)
[2:03] <qazwsxQAZWSX> I don't see "mean ping" but Input rate is 43.3KB and Outputrate is 46.3KB
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[2:03] <qazwsxQAZWSX> I mised Toad, but tell him thanks for me
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[2:03] <nextgens> qazwsxQAZWSX> switch to advanced mode and look for nodeAveragePingTime
[2:03] <qazwsxQAZWSX> 355ms
[2:05] <nextgens> okay, could have been worst
[2:05] <nextgens> what's the uptime of the node ?
[2:05] <nextgens> (nodeUptime)
[2:06] <qazwsxQAZWSX> 46m5s, which sounds about right since I just reloaded
[2:07] <qazwsxQAZWSX> RIght now I'm getting alot of BUSY and BACKED OFF, but I figure that's normal while it searches nodes
[2:09] <qazwsxQAZWSX> and my shits stuck on loading, FIrefox says "waiting on 127.0.0.1..."
[2:11] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Looking at the wrapper, that things long as hell....
[2:12] <qazwsxQAZWSX> You still around there buddy?
[2:13] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Meanwhile, I'm checking out FMS.
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[2:15] <nextgens> qazwsxQAZWSX> pastebin it if you expect me to look at it
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[2:17] <nextgens> juil. 03, 2008 02:17:09:953 (freenet.io.comm.MessageCore, UdpSocketHandler for port 4799(2), ERROR): checkFilters took 4527ms with unclaimedFIFOSize of 190 for matched: true
[2:17] <FreenetLogBot> r20946 (1153) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[2:17] <nextgens> huh
[2:19] <qazwsxQAZWSX> sorry, woman calling
[2:20] <qazwsxQAZWSX> I'm always hesitant to post a logfile online, never know what info it gives about me
[2:22] <nextgens> well, I'm not omniscient; if you don't provide details I won't find the problem
[2:22] <nextgens> so far we still don't know what the problem is
[2:25] <qazwsxQAZWSX> alright, BRB
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[2:33] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Alright, was trying something else, didn't help... What do you mean by Pastebin?
[2:34] <nextgens> http://code.bulix.org
[2:34] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Poste at code.bulix.org?
[2:34] <qazwsxQAZWSX> ah ok
[2:35] <qazwsxQAZWSX> gonna be alot of fuckin text..... here goes....
[2:36] <qazwsxQAZWSX> forgot to change name....
[2:36] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Naming it Nextgen* obviously
[2:37] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Hey I just foudn your flog....cool pix....
[2:38] <nextgens> I have many more to add
[2:38] <nextgens> but well, it's sort of unmaintained now
[2:38] <qazwsxQAZWSX> No biggie, still good pictures.... couple of good desktops there
[2:39] <qazwsxQAZWSX> err wallpapers
[2:39] <nextgens> give me the url please
[2:39] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Oh sorry, get sidetracked easily....
[2:41] <nextgens> hmm, that's a partial thread dump
[2:41] <nextgens> not really useful
[2:42] <qazwsxQAZWSX> That's all of it right there
[2:42] <qazwsxQAZWSX> wait no it aint.... Does it only show information since the last threaddump?
[2:43] <qazwsxQAZWSX> The first one I did was timestamped over an hour ago....
[2:46] <qazwsxQAZWSX> Another question.... on FMS.... when you have the FMS plugin installed in Thunderbird... WHat NNTP server do you connect to when you create a server account? localhost\8080 don't work
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[2:46] <nextgens> nntp is on port 119 usually
[2:46] <nextgens> I dunno for fms
[2:46] <nextgens> brb
[2:48] <CyberKnet> I have freenet up and running (slow, but very nice!) but I am having trouble configuring outlook to access freemail. I have all the ports entered correctly, but for the life of me I cannot get it to accept my username and password. I've looked through the FAQ and the freemail help... but I can't find anything. Is anyone able to assist me with this please?
[2:48] <qazwsxQAZWSX> alright thanks, still playing with it.... Freenet seems to be working ok right now....
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[2:50] <qazwsxQAZWSX> WIsh I could buddy, I got my own problems
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[3:48] <greylurk> I can't get my FMS working... It doesn't seem to start the NNTP host
[3:50] <greylurk> short of re-compiling, anybody have any hints?
[3:54] <greylurk> *ping* Anyone here?
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[4:00] <nextgens> hmm, the test passes here
[4:00] <nextgens> weird
[4:01] <greylurk> I'm running FMS 0.3.3 on Windows, and it seems like the NNTP port isn't initializing. I can't even telnet to port 1119 on localhost. Anyone have any thoughts?
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[4:08] <greylurk> So here's a semi-theoretical question: FMS and Freemail are theoretically open source, is there any way to merge changes back into the trunk?
[4:09] <nextgens> what do you mean ?
[4:09] <nextgens> they are both open source; nothing is theoritical here
[4:09] <greylurk> If I fix a bug in FMS, how would I submit the change back to the trunk?
[4:10] <greylurk> Also, looking through the FMS source, I don't see an open source license...
[4:10] <greylurk> I think this places them more in the "public domain" than actually open source.
[4:11] <greylurk> or at least fms is.
[4:13] <nextgens> greylurk> good luck with getting your patch merged into fms
[4:14] <nextgens> as for freemail, the commit policy is quite open
[4:14] <nextgens> and it's hosted in our svn
[4:15] <nextgens> greylurk> there is no proceedure for patch submission
[4:15] <nextgens> what I did is to post on the fms board
[4:15] <nextgens> but as far as I know no patch has ever been merged that way
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[4:16] <nextgens> to get a patch merged to freemail, pastebin it here, or on the mailing list or talk to dbkr
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[8:12] <nextgens> doh
[8:13] <nextgens> emu's emails were bouncing because someone made a mistake on upstream dns servers and we lost our PTR records
[8:13] <nextgens> great *g*
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[11:27] <CyberKnet> when you enter your username into your mail client for freemail, what do you enter? user@shortdomain.freemail? just user? user@shortdomain? ... all these things I have tried, and have not had any luck yet :(
[11:37] <CyberKnet> Aha, I found that the username should just be the user portion
[11:37] <CyberKnet> but it still will not accept the password
[11:37] <CyberKnet> and I just set it with java -jar Freemail.jar --password user password
[11:46] <CyberKnet> hmm.... might be because I tried to re-create the account with the same username. I'll create one with a different username and ignore the first one.
[11:51] <CyberKnet> Well, I run the commands from the command line, but I still don't seem to be able to access the new account
[12:10] <nextgens> hi
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[12:14] <nextgens> toad_> is there anything worth reading in last week's irc logs ?
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[12:57] <toad_> nextgens: did you resolve the problem with the guy when i left last night?
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[13:03] <toad_> i don't remember exactly what it was, some wierd vista issue maybe?
[13:04] <toad_> ah no, his node hanging after reboot
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[13:35] <nextgens> toad_> no
[13:35] <nextgens> toad_> the problem was probably in between the chair and the keyboard
[13:36] <nextgens> toad_> I'd like you to review the changes I made to the content filter
[13:37] <nextgens> toad_> I'm not 100% sure that I did them right
[13:37] <nextgens> as in: I dunno if the changes should be in HTMLFilter or in the genericReadCallback like I did them
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[14:21] <toad_> aaaargh fscking debuggers
[14:22] <toad_> every time i try to debug it the JVM segfaults
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[15:37] <Vi^3PP> im getting the following err tryin to install fn0.7 ...... java.io.IOException: Cannot run program "/home/USER/Freenet/bin/setup.sh":java.io.IOException: error=13, permission denied
[15:37] <Vi^3PP> how do i correct it so that the installer will work properly
[15:42] <Judofyr> Vi^3PP: I'm not sure, but maybe a "chmod +x /home/USER/Freenet/bin/setup.sh" will work...
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[15:47] <Vi^3PP> Judofyr: no when i restart the installer it overwrites the directory and i have the same err
[15:47] <Vi^3PP> :(
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[17:38] <|val|> hi all !
[17:38] <|val|> I 've download and install freenet...
[17:38] <|val|> where are the search engine ?
[17:38] <|val|> on the web ?
[17:39] <toad_> searching freesites doesn't work well at the moment
[17:40] <|val|> freesites ?
[17:40] <|val|> freesites = web site with search engine ?
[17:41] <toad_> freesites = web sites hosted on freenet
[17:41] <|val|> ok ok
[17:41] <|val|> when ?
[17:42] <toad_> huh?
[17:42] <|val|> when does it work ?
[17:42] <toad_> i don't understand
[17:43] <|val|> i said searching freesites doesn't work well at the moment...so when does it work ?
[17:43] <toad_> right now you can browse freenet web sites ("freesites"), you could search them if anyone was actively maintaining a search index (but nobody is), you can chat on FMS or Frost, you can use Thaw to download stuff, browse, spider and search file indexes
[17:43] <|val|> do in futur
[17:44] <|val|> ok thx
[17:44] <|val|> a lot
[17:44] <toad_> there is more work to do on searching, but half the problem is nobody is running a search index at the moment
[17:44] <toad_> hopefully we will do some more work on searching before 0.7.1 (which should come out late 2008/early 2009)
[17:45] <|val|> just before hadopi !
[17:45] <|val|> lool
[17:46] <toad_> hadopi?
[17:47] <|val|> a french law on downloading (copyrights)
[17:47] <|val|> p2p are targeted
[17:47] <toad_> another one? DADVSI wasn't enough? :(
[17:47] <|val|> not for the gouvernment
[17:47] <|val|> more and more
[17:48] <toad_> so does it make it an offence to run p2p, or does it make ISPs block p2p?
[17:48] <toad_> or does it let the movie industry arbitrarily name people as bad guys and then the ISPs have to block them and indemify the movie industry's mistakes?
[17:49] <toad_> (that last approach was almost tried here... :( )
[17:49] <|val|> in fact there are two ways : 1)ISP will scan your activity connection
[17:49] <|val|> and the other
[17:49] <|val|> some media files will be...
[17:49] <|val|> locked
[17:49] <toad_> so ISPs are responsible for blocking all non-approved p2p?
[17:50] <|val|> and if you download it, your receive an warning
[17:50] <|val|> no
[17:50] <|val|> ISP will not block p2p connection
[17:50] <|val|> but scan the connection
[17:51] <toad_> won't work for encrypted p2p
[17:51] <|val|> of course !
[17:51] <|val|> and I am here
[17:51] * toad_ supposes that would be the following year's law :)
[17:52] <|val|> and I think more and more people will come
[17:52] <toad_> well don't use freenet for illegal downloading. seriously. or we kickban you so we won't accidentally support you and therefore get ourselves sued as per the Grokster ruling
[17:53] <toad_> "don't provide technical support to known pirates"
[17:53] <|val|> no no of course
[17:54] <|val|> i am the main developper of a linux distribution, and it's a good way to share what you have done
[17:55] <toad_> unfortunately freenet is rather developmental at the moment
[17:55] <toad_> any frozen snapshot will be obsolete in a few weeks
[17:55] <|val|> normal
[17:57] <toad_> and by obsoleted i mean it won't connect to newer nodes at all
[17:58] <|val|> the developmet is only on java ? or it will be ported to C++ for example ?
[17:58] <toad_> it is java
[17:58] <toad_> we use some native code for some optimisations, that's all
[17:59] <|val|> ok
[17:59] <toad_> some beta versions of openjdk have bugs with freenet
[17:59] <toad_> but more recent versions don't
[17:59] <toad_> unfortunately the one ubuntu shipped does
[17:59] <|val|> lool
[18:00] <toad_> ubuntu tends to do things like that :)
[18:00] <|val|> does these bugs can reveal the identity of the client ?
[18:00] <toad_> no, it just doesn't work
[18:00] <|val|> ok
[18:00] <toad_> mind you freenet's security isn't what it should be
[18:01] <toad_> we have a lot more work to do on it
[18:01] <toad_> and on everything else too... but we're getting there, if funding and volunteers allow us to continue past this year
[18:02] <|val|> your said that security is not guaranted ?
[18:02] <toad_> 0.7 is a vast improvement on 0.5
[18:02] <toad_> |val|: there is no such thing as perfect security ... but there are known attacks depending on how powerful your attacker is
[18:02] <toad_> there are attacks on everything else too, and Freenet tackles some problems that other anonymous systems ignore
[18:03] <toad_> don't stake your freedom on it unless you've looked very carefully at the alternatives, done a code review, and are a fool :)
[18:04] <|val|> toad_: ok so if someone really wants the identity of a person, it cans (someone who has good knowledge in hacking)
[18:04] <toad_> no
[18:04] <toad_> well not necessarily
[18:04] <toad_> depends on resources and assumptions
[18:04] <toad_> if you want to find out what your peers (strangers/friends i.e. connections) are looking at, you can probably do it if you're smart, yeah
[18:05] <|val|> interesting...
[18:05] <toad_> but if you want to trace the originator of a freesite which is regularly updated, it will take a lot more effort
[18:05] <toad_> it is probably feasible with a small network though
[18:05] <toad_> have a read of our security page
[18:05] <toad_> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetZeroPointSevenSecurity
[18:06] <toad_> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/OpennetAttacks
[18:06] <|val|> thx
[18:06] <toad_> we have various ideas for making freenet more robust, some will hopefully be discussed at the freenet mini-summit on sunday in london
[18:08] <toad_> i mean more secure
[18:09] <toad_> at the moment we will run out of money at the end of the year so any big changes may have to be postponed in favour of work on usability
[18:10] <|val|> you are independant ?
[18:10] <|val|> you work on it all the time ?
[18:11] <toad_> something like that
[18:11] <|val|> lool
[18:11] <toad_> we have volunteers too
[18:11] <|val|> you have some ressource to do that ?
[18:11] <|val|> good
[18:11] <toad_> until the end of the year approximately
[18:11] <|val|> a dream...
[18:12] <|val|> and you use Java ????? pffff
[18:12] <|val|> ;-)
[18:13] <toad_> not my choice, i only work here :)
[18:13] <|val|> lool
[18:13] <toad_> freenet was well established long before i arrived
[18:13] <|val|> i'm joking
[18:13] <toad_> anyway i like java
[18:13] <toad_> it's a nice enough language once you get to know it
[18:13] <|val|> me too
[18:13] <|val|> i agree
[18:14] <|val|> but if i can i prefer C++, but java has a lot of interesting feature
[18:14] <|val|> s*
[18:14] <toad_> C++ has interesting features too ... like buffer overflows
[18:14] <toad_> and no garbage collection
[18:14] <|val|> loool
[18:14] <|val|> joke too !
[18:14] <|val|> use caml !!!
[18:14] <toad_> you can restrict your usage to prevent buffers overflows, and add on a garbage collector ... but then you get java :)
[18:15] <|val|> like mldonkey
[18:15] <toad_> hhehehehehehe
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[18:18] <|val|> i would like understand security hole, and improve my knowledges in security
[18:18] <toad_> hmmm no matter what i do the queue of database jobs to be run just keeps growing...
[18:18] <|val|> i currently study in computer sciences but I am far way of understanding security
[18:19] <toad_> it seems to be growing more slowly now... but it still grows :(
[18:26] <|val|> what nationality are you ?
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[19:43] <kork> yay
[19:43] <kork> my node crashed oom
[19:43] <kork> now for the happy happy joy joy of index rebuilding
[19:44] <kork> oh
[19:44] <kork> no rebuilding neccessary
[19:44] <kork> nice
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[19:58] <justme88> i have som problems with fms. if i understand correct "netstat -ns" should show something listening on 1119(as it is setup in admin localhost:1119). But i cant get the boards visible, connection refused when trying to connect...and it doesnt show up listening when fms running.
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[20:02] <Ratchet> justme88: what version of fms are you running? 0.3.1 and 0.3.2 had some problems...
[20:02] <justme88> 0.3.3
[20:03] <justme88> fms-win32bin-0.3.3.zip
[20:03] <Ratchet> can you access the webinterface?
[20:03] <justme88> yes
[20:04] <Ratchet> one moment...
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[20:05] <Ratchet> go to the options page and increase the loglevel to 7. then restart and look if you can find something in the logfile
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[20:05] <Ratchet> perhaps level 8 is not a bad idea either...
[20:06] <justme88> ok, been on 7 deffault, ill do 8 now
[20:07] <Ratchet> nothing suspicious in the logfile?
[20:07] <Ratchet> sorry, can't help you much with windows version...
[20:09] <justme88> no errors at all :(
[20:09] <biffons> Hi there
[20:10] <Ratchet> justme88: :-(
[20:10] <Ratchet> justme88: perhaps you can find another win user here who can help you more
[20:11] <Ratchet> hi biffons
[20:11] <justme88> it should be listening at 1119? but there is nothing listening at that port when i check with netstat :(
[20:11] <biffons> I'm installing freenet .7 on Ubuntu ... running into problems
[20:11] <justme88> ok
[20:11] <Ratchet> biffons: what kind of problems?
[20:12] <biffons> I get an error stating something about a trustanchor parameter
[20:12] <biffons> that it must be non empty
[20:13] <Ratchet> what does "java -version" say if you execute it in a console?
[20:13] <biffons> Get that error when the installation tries to download wrapper binaries
[20:13] <biffons> 1.6.0
[20:13] <Ratchet> openjdk?
[20:13] <biffons> yeah
[20:14] <biffons> 1.6.0-b09
[20:14] <Ratchet> ubuntu bundles a buggy version of openjdk which prevents the installer from working correctly
[20:14] <Ratchet> it works i you replace openjdk with sunjdk
[20:14] <biffons> ok ... what's the easiest way to resolve that issue ?
[20:14] <biffons> ah, ok ;)
[20:15] <biffons> do you know if i can install that with apt ? or do I need to download from SUN ?
[20:17] <Ratchet> you can install it with apt. first uninstall openjdk, than install sunjdk
[20:17] <Ratchet> you might want to reinstall every java-depedning package after that
[20:18] <Ratchet> luke771_afk had a oneliner which does it all, but i can't remember it :-)
[20:23] <biffons> seem to be getting there ;)
[20:23] <Ratchet> great :-)
[20:23] <biffons> the sun jdk was actually installed ... four different versions of java
[20:24] <biffons> the command: /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --config java allowed me to select which on to use :D
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[20:24] <Ratchet> so much the better :-)
[20:26] <biffons> now I only need to figure out how to start it up ;) haha
[20:27] <Ratchet> if java -versin shows sunjdk now, just run the installer again
[20:27] <Ratchet> java -version
[20:28] <justme88> is there a older verison of fms outthere which i could quick test? maybe something wrong with just this new version when it aint listening at setup port
[20:28] <biffons> it's installed ...
[20:29] <Ratchet> biffons: then it should be running already :-)
[20:29] <biffons> I got a firefox window saying please don't close this windows blah blah ... nothing running
[20:29] <biffons> if I try starting by hand - the normal user doesnt have permission ... and it cant be started as root :(
[20:31] <biffons> it's not finding the wrapper
[20:31] <Ratchet> justme88: CHK@jvrcAjlhV6BqO9rykvUud9RydlkKJECb-8oDJdJDi8M,wiyq1805UJjiPNTFeaoTtH6vReo4JQTcAcnZHyy0WD8,AAIC--8/fms-win32bin-0.2.23.zip
[20:31] <biffons> but it's all installed under /usr/local/Freenet
[20:31] <Ratchet> justme88: that's the version prior to the "big changes" to 0.3.n
[20:31] <Ratchet> it's compatible to 0.3.n
[20:32] <Ratchet> biffons: there's definately no java process running?
[20:32] <biffons> nope
[20:32] <Ratchet> biffons: and you tried to start it with the same user you installed with?
[20:32] <biffons> yeah
[20:32] <biffons> i installed as root ...
[20:32] <Ratchet> so your user has write permissions to /usr/local ??
[20:33] <Ratchet> don't install as root
[20:33] <biffons> nope, the normal user does not have permissions ..
[20:33] <biffons> i'll change ownership and rights then ;)
[20:33] <Ratchet> k
[20:33] <Ratchet> but you should consider to reinstall it with the target-user
[20:34] <biffons> yeah, it works when I changed permissions
[20:34] <Ratchet> if you haven't deactivated the option to run it on startup, you have an entry in the root crontab
[20:34] <Ratchet> which will try to start it on reboot as user root
[20:34] <Ratchet> delete it there and put it in your user crontab if you want that
[20:35] <biffons> ah, thanks
[20:37] <biffons> thanks alot ... hope I don't need any more info ;)
[20:37] <Ratchet> have fun freeneting :-)
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[21:09] <Dieppe> ok, what's wrong with this wrapper.log ? http://pastebin.org/48304
[21:09] <Dieppe> cause the user can't access to localhost:8888, access denied
[21:09] <Dieppe> (he's on vista, ipv6)
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[21:21] <Tommy[D]> Dieppe: i see nothing wrong, did he check if the freenet process is still running and listening on that ip and port?
[21:21] <Dieppe> I think so
[21:22] <Dieppe> I thought it was an ipv6 problem, but passing the -Djava.net.preferIPv4Stack=true
[21:22] <Dieppe> doesn't change anything
[21:22] <Dieppe> +option *
[21:28] <Tommy[D]> Did he check for listening freenet with netstat or similar app?
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[21:28] <Dieppe> nop
[21:28] <Dieppe> I asked him to come here, it will be easier
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[23:12] <CyberKnet> Does freemail plugin create a log somewhere?
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[23:22] <Luke771> <Ratchet> luke771_afk had a oneliner which does it all, but i can't remember it :-)
[23:22] <Luke771> sudo apt-get remove openjdk-6-jre openjdk-6-jre-headless openjdk-6-jre-lib && sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-bin
[23:23] <Luke771> it's actually 3 lines
[23:23] <Luke771> and it will only work if you don't have any packages that requires java as a dependecy installed
[23:24] <Luke771> if you do, you can let apt uninstall them and then reinstall; or do it the "right" way changing he PATH before removing opnjdk
[23:25] <Luke771> CyberKnet: I?m not sure but I think it does. I think I heard one freemail dev talking about a log
[23:26] <Luke771> look if there's a freemail dir inside the freenet dir, or freemail log. If not, we'll have to wait for someone who actually knows what he's talking about :)
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