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[0:37] <RasQulec> looks like 3.2 was just released
[0:37] <RasQulec> ):
[0:45] <mrdmx-away> hey luke
[0:45] <mrdmx-away> it didnt work did it?
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[1:30] <Luke771> trying fms 0.3.2 but it doesnt seem to work
[1:30] <Luke771> compiles, runs but nothing happens
[1:30] <Luke771> the terminal goes to the next line and stays there, doesnt output anything
[1:31] <Luke771> and the web insterface is not reachable
[1:31] <Luke771> bah
[1:31] <Luke771> I'll try recompiling using the bundled sqlite
[1:37] <Luke771> grr... same shit
[1:37] <Luke771> oh well
[1:38] <Luke771> reverting again
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[2:48] <banyan> Hello. I'm trying to get freenet installed, and I think that part is easy enough, but it doesn't run. Apparently there is no class freenet.node.NodeStarter which should be in gnu.gcj.runtime.SystemClassLoader but isn't...?
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[2:54] <mrdmx> using ubuntu?
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[2:56] <mrdmx> install sun's java
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[3:06] <banyan> I installed sun's java. I'm on fedora 9.
[3:10] <pmpp> banyan> hi what does say "java -version" please ?
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[3:11] <banyan> 1.5.0, (c) Free Software Foundation...
[3:12] <pmpp> wrong one
[3:12] <banyan> I did install the jre from sun.
[3:12] <pmpp> java version "1.6.0"
[3:12] <pmpp> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (build 1.6.0-b09)
[3:12] <pmpp> OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 1.6.0-b09, mixed mode)
[3:12] <pmpp> that should be
[3:12] <pmpp> or 32 bits ...
[3:14] <pmpp> try "yum install java-1.6.0-openjdk"
[3:16] <banyan> ah, I had to redo a symlink in /usr/bin.
[3:16] <banyan> to point at the 1.6 instead of the other.
[3:29] <banyan> so, it's running now... what do I need to do to use it for something?
[3:29] <banyan> :-)
[3:29] <banyan> I'll poke around.
[3:29] <mrdmx> install fms
[3:29] <mrdmx> :)
[3:30] <Smar> mm, does freenet work perfectly with openjdk?
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[3:31] <pmpp> Smar> i have no problem with it but i don't use the wrapper
[3:33] <Smar> mm, what then?
[3:34] <pmpp> so installer or wrapper may have problem with openjdk
[3:34] <pmpp> but i wouldn't know
[3:34] <Smar> well, maybe I'll try
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[4:15] <banyan> where do I find fms?
[4:15] <banyan> mrdmx, I like your suggestion but I don't see fms in the downloads page on the site.
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[4:56] <banyan> so, what is freenode really all for? is it more just a way to do the same things that bittorrent and gnutella did without getting busted?
[4:57] <banyan> if you're shuffling around ripped dvds, cds, etc. that is?
[4:58] <banyan> I'm starting to wonder if I want to take the risk that some perv has put kiddie porn or something illegal and horrible on my computer without me having any idea it's there.
[4:59] <pmpp> just don't use opennet then
[5:02] <mrdmx> then why the fuck did you install freenet
[5:03] <mrdmx> fms is in your freenet homepage
[5:03] <banyan> did you install it because you do want some kiddie fiddler to be using your computer for storage?
[5:04] <pmpp> for me freenet is a great distributed fs as ZFS and can be used in multiple ways
[5:04] <pmpp> note that zfs is os dependant and not stable actually
[5:04] <pmpp> freenet works and os independant :)
[5:04] <banyan> I know what you're saying, if I just friend with a number of known non-kiddie-fiddlers, then I'll have no problem.
[5:05] <mrdmx> heh
[5:06] <banyan> We're depending on the six-degrees-of-separation idea a bit aren't we? Even though I am directly connected only to my X number of friends, they have friends, who have friends... and when I search for some obscure MP3 I find it indirectly?
[5:07] <pmpp> you can't search files in freenet
[5:07] <pmpp> you must have an index
[5:07] <banyan> otherwise I can only find the stuff in the little island of friends I'm a part of.
[5:07] <pmpp> yes
[5:08] <banyan> frost has a search files tab...
[5:08] <pmpp> that's an index maybe :)
[5:11] <TranceAm_> <banyan> did you install it because you do want some kiddie fiddler to be using your computer for storage? , I am more worried about that chinese dissident that puts the information of the next world war there.
[5:12] <TranceAm_> The FBI, CIA can do the kiddie pr0n stuff..
[5:13] <TranceAm_> (Its not like they shy back from anything else, worse, or much worse.)
[5:14] <banyan> You know, I got carried up with the talk of free speech and anticensorship. The idea that the Chinese government might be smuggling trade secrets and spy info rankles me, but that is balanced out by the idea that some guy in Beijing finds out he's being fed a giant line of bullshit every day.
[5:16] <TranceAm_> I don't think they have to hear from us, the glorious benefits of their one party system.. They don't have to see our shit to know how theirs smells.
[5:16] <banyan> Do the files on freenet get spread around in a distributed way? e.g. if I upload my brother's wedding pictures, are they just on my machine or are they here and there and so on?
[5:16] <TranceAm_> here there everywhere, as far as I understand.
[5:17] <TranceAm_> And if not requested, they fall slowly of the grid.
[5:17] <TranceAm_> otoh, you can upload your brothers marriage, if not to a 5 year old, on the normal web.
[5:19] <mrdmx> hey banyan, how about reading the fucking documentation
[5:19] <mrdmx> it might help..
[5:21] <TranceAm_> When 10011010011010110110110101001101101101101100111011101101010011101111010101010010010 becomes as dangerous as kiddie pr0n and people get of on that string of 1's and 0's all by itself, we have a problem. But that is just My opinion... Afterall some strings of 1's and 0's are already patented and copyrighted.,
[5:22] <mrdmx> brb, fbi
[5:22] <TranceAm_> Cypher : I don't even see the numbers anymore..
[5:23] <mrdmx> heheh
[5:23] <banyan> it's more the liability aspects of the documentation I'm concerned about.
[5:24] <mrdmx> what?
[5:24] <banyan> getting busted because unbeknownst to me, I am in possession of some fragment of evidence of some kid being molested.
[5:25] <banyan> for instance.
[5:25] <TranceAm_> And don't you think the FBI doesn't have those picture already?
[5:25] <mrdmx> well yes you are and you'd know if you had read the fucking documentation
[5:25] <TranceAm_> Nowadays, they look for "new" pictures.. The old ones they have archives FULL of.
[5:26] <TranceAm_> Now for example, You don't know that a certain fragment is of a crime, but they do.. Does that mean that they already SAW that.. And looked to kiddiePr0n?
[5:26] <TranceAm_> The perverts.
[5:27] <TranceAm_> And the difference between a cop studing a crime, and a cop getting of on Kiddiepr0n, is the jacking of.. Something that he ain't going to do in the office.
[5:28] <TranceAm_> That is why they have "study" material at home, I guess.
[5:29] <banyan> It's a tradeoff, I guess, maybe my computer will have some small fragment of smuggled footage of some really important but suppressed event.
[5:30] <banyan> btw, it was reading the documentation that makes me ask the questions, mrdmx
[5:30] <TranceAm_> The FACT that people commit crimes on them, doesn't keep the government from keeping and maintaning ROADS...
[5:32] <banyan> true enough, I'm reminded of my old roommate's mom's comment over dinner once that "Golly gee, that internet is full of some awful stuff."
[5:32] <banyan> true, but the same could be said of libraries and we aren't shutting those down.
[5:33] <TranceAm_> Nono, but we do want to know what ideas you have been in contact with, to see if they match up with others that became "terrorists"......
[5:35] <TranceAm_> ANd to be honest.. How many files of Al Quaida have been found on freenet? I thought, they were always un encrypted on Hard drives in places where they have no electricity, in a computer that said with a label, "Al Quaida Secrets"...
[5:35] <banyan> Yeah! Did you know that 47 % of criminals ate toast within 48 hours of committing the crimes of which they are convicted? And yet we senselessly allow the uncontrolled sale of toasters and bread. It's reckless I tell ya!
[5:35] <TranceAm_> The most danger for a government, is a population communicating, in an encrypted way, so they don't KNOW what the population is really thinking...
[5:40] <TranceAm_> Just wait, until this all gets forbidden under the kiddie pr0n label.. You will remember. After all an innocent man has nothing to hide even while insisting for his to privacy.
[5:42] <TranceAm_> And you can compare that with governments where everything is secret (private.)
[5:44] <TranceAm_> or meetings of VIPS like the Bilderburgers that have to be "secret".
[5:46] <banyan> Is it good enough to be able to say that there is no way we can know that we hosted kiddie porn, when we do know it's possible that we are?
[5:48] <TranceAm_> As long as you don't know, I would say you are safe, the moment you know, you peeked.
[5:49] <banyan> Where I live, the provincial government has this "Freedom of Information and Privacy Act" that they use to either refuse to release info about what they're doing, or price the request sky high so people will back off.
[5:49] <TranceAm_> Well, they are either the servants of the people, or the people are the slaves of them.. You figure it out.
[5:49] <banyan> Is there a way to peek and see what bits and pieces you're in possession of?
[5:50] <TranceAm_> I don't know.
[5:50] <banyan> they keep getting elected with these perversely huge majorities. So... maybe a little from column A and a little from column B.
[5:51] <TranceAm_> I might have a written piece of an 12 year old Tortured Al Quaida suspect on my HD, or a picture of him raped by his interogators..
[5:51] <mrdmx> man im watching a some really boring porn
[5:51] <mrdmx> one guy two girls doing fucking nothing
[5:51] <banyan> there's a lot of bad porn.
[5:52] <mrdmx> banyan: if you find the request key you can know what a file contains
[5:52] <mrdmx> the request key contains the decryption key
[5:52] <banyan> but I take it my local cache doesn't let me rifle thru and read off what I'm hosting easily?
[5:53] <banyan> I'm hoping you say, "No, that's impossible or very difficult, and has been prevented by the design."
[5:53] <mrdmx> the files in your cache are encrypted
[5:54] <banyan> I downloaded this file called "10 year wedding anniversary sex" and it was just the husband and the wife yelling "Fuck you!" at each other.
[5:54] <banyan> Really a letdown.
[5:54] <mrdmx> oh lol
[5:54] <TranceAm_> hehe.
[5:54] <mrdmx> im watching it in youporn
[5:54] <mrdmx> the guy is a fucking moron
[5:55] <TranceAm_> HE, who is watching again? ;-)
[5:56] <mrdmx> well its loaded already
[5:56] <banyan> you gotta work with what you got. I understand.
[5:57] <TranceAm_> Well, I don't know for sure, but I hear of 2 girls going down on one man, that is called a moron, by a man, that is watching it on a tube... (I might see this wrong... ) <hehe.>
[5:57] <banyan> xtube isn't too bad.
[5:57] <banyan> a little something for everybody on there.
[5:57] <banyan> almost everybody.
[5:58] <TranceAm_> I want to see that ass tattoo, with "Killroy was Here".
[5:58] <banyan> a Kilroy tramp stamp? really...
[5:58] <TranceAm_> hehe..
[5:59] <banyan> or do they call them landing strips now?
[5:59] <TranceAm_> I don't know, the only girl I know that had one, called it "Tranquility"... Go EASY..
[6:01] <TranceAm_> I guess, she expect to hear at some time, "Oh Baby, The Eagle has landed." :-)
[6:02] <banyan> That's funny. If she's going extraterrestrial I guess Tranquility is better than "The Red Spot."
[6:02] <TranceAm_> Extraterrestrial.. Oh come on, Now I got probes on my mind.
[6:03] <TranceAm_> Eeee Teee Probe here.
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[6:03] <banyan> E. T. with that freaky long finger, it's all bad.
[6:04] <TranceAm_> A light in the dark...
[6:04] * TranceAm_ remember that this is a logged channel..
[6:09] <banyan> I think I've tentatively decided that the benefits of running freenet outweigh the risks. I searched Tibet and got a lot of stuff so there I go.
[6:11] <TranceAm_> Oh yes, for sure, make sure, you find some links of the early time, when the CIA thought it was very nice for the chinese to have some trouble in their backyard, and supported the Tibetans freedom fighters... ;-)
[6:11] <TranceAm_> That is before the Dalai Lama went completely peace nuts.
[6:13] <TranceAm_> http://www.phayul.com/news/article.aspx?id=8782&t=4&c=1
[6:17] <banyan> I can't wrap my head around a guy who's supposed to be the incarnation of the Buddha being anything but peace nuts.
[6:19] <banyan> Too bad he wasn't able to take lessons from Gandhi. Then again I don't think passive resistance would work against the Chinese, they'd have just found the Tibetans easier to kill that way.
[6:23] <banyan> I still don't really get what the Chinese motivation really was for invading Tibet. Is it a good place to watch out for the Indians?
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[6:31] <TranceAm_> Buddhism originated in India, and is one of the three major religions of the world.
[6:35] <banyan> I'd have taken them to be Xtianity, Islam and, hmm, I guess there are a lot of Buddhists in Asia.
[6:36] <mrdmx> tranceam: are you using linux?
[6:36] <banyan> funny. It's kind of like Judaism was the beta release, with most of the old 'users' having 'upgraded' to one of two future, incompatible revisions.
[6:37] <banyan> There isn't all that much provision in Judaism for propagating itself.
[6:37] <TranceAm_> mrdmx yes
[6:38] <mrdmx> could you try freekiwiki please :), i cant get it to work on windows
[6:39] <TranceAm_> hmmmm link.
[6:39] <mrdmx> http://localhost:8888/USK@~fKvLhbfXzxA-4U1mD9jjcGfiupROS~E90R3UuPYEbc,s8vDQnqOJcacozpvmoK-nFH3k-bzi2FrhPnpxUTpxh8,AQACAAE/freekiwiki/1/
[6:40] <TranceAm_> fetching
[6:40] <mrdmx> the files are on the project site, the documentation on that page
[6:40] <TranceAm_> woops, downloaded an html page.. sec
[6:41] <TranceAm_> getching again
[6:43] <TranceAm_> there is nothing to download on that page.
[6:45] <TranceAm_> I need the client?
[6:46] <mrdmx> its in the project page
[6:46] <mrdmx> at sourceforge
[6:46] <TranceAm_> I got it. sec
[6:49] <TranceAm_> Error: http://code.bulix.org/vhdkqo-67331
[6:50] <mrdmx> i got something similar
[6:50] <mrdmx> :8
[6:50] <mrdmx> *:(
[6:50] <banyan> I see the wiki page.
[6:50] <TranceAm_> amd64
[6:51] <banyan> You know, I uploaded some stuff that doesn't show up in a search. Why not? Did I upload it wrong?
[6:51] <mrdmx> a search?
[6:51] <mrdmx> what fucking search?
[6:52] <TranceAm_> You uploaded, and got a key.. Fetch the key and see if it comes back to you.
[6:53] <banyan> the search tab in frost.
[6:53] <banyan> It's a whole website, but each file in it has a different key.
[6:54] <mrdmx> ahem, it doesnt work like that
[6:55] <TranceAm_> :-)
[6:55] <mrdmx> what did you upload?
[6:56] <banyan> a website.
[6:56] <mrdmx> about?
[6:56] <TranceAm_> type in your browser http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@<the rest of the hey>
[6:56] <banyan> flow measurement.
[6:56] <mrdmx> flow of what?
[6:56] <banyan> oil or natural gas.
[6:56] <mrdmx> ok
[6:58] <banyan> I get things that come up that relate to the terms I put in the text box, so it does kind of appear to work like that...
[7:00] <mrdmx> yeah well you need to add your keys to your shared files or something like that, read the documentation of frost
[7:02] <banyan> hmm, so if I share files, do those files get distributed or are they just on my PC?
[7:04] <mrdmx> you know theres this thing call 'documentation'...
[7:04] <mrdmx> called*
[7:04] <banyan> would I be looking in the help? on a website somewhere?
[7:05] <mrdmx> in the frost freesite?
[7:05] <mrdmx> ah, in the freenet website
[7:08] <banyan> and I am probably asking a lot of documented questions to get over the learning curve.
[7:08] <mrdmx> theres even a FAQ, read the topicv
[7:09] <TranceAm_> mrdmx, what is a FAQ?
[7:09] <mrdmx> lol thats a joke, right?
[7:10] <TranceAm_> ;-) I tried the documentation of the FAQ, but I couldn't find any
[7:12] <mrdmx> ;)
[7:15] <TranceAm_> Alright, of to bed.. Cya ~~
[7:15] <mrdmx> cya
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[7:54] <banyan> I can't get it to run either. It just says "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attributes from ...."
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[8:26] <TheSeeker> -j freenet-chat
[8:26] <TheSeeker> bah
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[8:33] <Bombe> Good morning!
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[8:38] <dbkr> mornin'
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[11:26] <norbert_> hi all, I have a question
[11:27] <norbert_> I'm trying to connect to fms with icedove (thunderbird), but even a telnet to 1119 gives me "connection refused"
[11:27] <norbert_> I can get to localhost:8080, so the fms /is/ running, also the Options show the NNTPListenPort is indeed 1119
[11:27] <norbert_> any ideas on how I can get fms to work?
[11:30] <dbkr> connecting from the same machine?
[11:31] <dbkr> fms could be listening on the wrong interface.
[11:31] <norbert_> I'm connecting from the same machine, yes; to localhost
[11:32] <norbert_> if I do a telnet localhost 1119, shouldn't that work? it's listening on another interface, like... the router?
[11:33] <dbkr> no, like your network card - but that seems unlikley if you haven't changed anything
[11:33] <dbkr> I suggest looking for it in netstat
[11:35] <norbert_> ehm, okay, I'm looking at netstat now... no connections to port 1119... or is it something else I'm looking for?
[11:35] <dbkr> well, it's listening processes you want
[11:35] <sdiz> norbert_: some people experience problem with 0.3.1/0.3.2, try a older version (e.g. 0.2.23)
[11:35] <dbkr> ie. the -l option, or -a if your OS's netstat doesn't have a -l option
[11:36] <norbert_> sdiz: ok :(
[11:36] <norbert_> sdiz: http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@0npnMrqZNKRCRoGojZV93UNHCMN-6UU3rRSAmP6jNLE,~BG-edFtdCC1cSH4O3BWdeIYa8Sw5DfyrSV-TKdO5ec,AQACAAE/fms/61/prototype.htm
[11:36] <norbert_> where can I get it?
[11:37] <norbert_> maybe the website should mention that 0.3.2 might not work :(
[11:38] <norbert_> *sigh*
[11:38] <norbert_> it's all still not working properly
[11:38] <norbert_> I'll wait for another 6 months
[11:38] <norbert_> thanks for trying to help
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[11:46] <ThePriest> hello!
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[12:34] <Bombe> For the first time I’m happy that I didn’t update to a new version as soon as it was out. :)
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[12:58] <toad_> Bombe: hmmm?
[12:59] <Bombe> toad, I’m talking about FMS 0.3.x which seems to be very unstable right now. :)
[12:59] <Ratchet> non-working would be a better description
[13:00] <Ratchet> i finally managed to compile it on freebsd, but only posting and nntp reading is working. no new posts retrieved and web interface is down
[13:00] <Bombe> SomeDude broke it real good. :)
[13:00] <Ratchet> yeah
[13:01] <Ratchet> and now it depends on a very big 3rd-party lib
[13:01] <Ratchet> poco compiled 1.5h hours on my node machine :-)
[13:15] <sdiz> are there any well-known application use poco?
[13:29] <phrosty> 1.5h? jesus
[13:34] <Ratchet> well, it's not the fastest machine and the node was running. but nonetheless, it's huge
[13:38] <dbkr> it looks suspiciously like all of poco compiles into one huge library - is that the case?
[13:39] <Ratchet> no
[13:39] <Ratchet> at least not on freebsd
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[13:46] <dbkr> lots of little libraries then?
[13:47] <Ratchet> ten libs seperated in stuff like net, ssl, util, xml...
[13:48] <dbkr> ah, phew
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[14:35] <Luke771> FMS 0.3.* compiles and runs without crashing for me but it only srtays up. It doesnt really do anything, the console outputs nothing and the web interface is not reachable. I?m still using .2.23
[14:35] <Ratchet> Luke771: same for me. i was able to insert one message, but after that nothing was working any more
[14:37] <Luke771> I think that SomeDude should add a .2.23 download to his site
[14:37] <Luke771> so people can use thet if .3* don't work for them
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[14:38] <Luke771> I added a .2.23 download to my freesite and a wartning that .3* not always works, but most people go straight to fms freesite, only a few go to fafs first
[14:38] <Luke771> in fact, I think I'll post that to the FMS board
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[14:52] <Ratchet> i wanted to that, too. new users won't get fms running this way
[15:14] <Luke771> exactly
[15:14] <Luke771> all noob-help freesites should have a .2.23 dpownload and a warning about .3*
[15:15] <Luke771> I thnk the fms freesite should do that too. I hope we can consvince SomeDude to do it
[15:17] <Ratchet> yes, let's hope that
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[15:34] <Bombe> batosai!
[15:39] <batosai> hi Bombe
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[18:40] <sanity_> interesting, http://news.google.com/ seems to be down
[18:43] <reflect> not from here
[18:43] <reflect> more likely a router between you and their site that is down?
[18:44] <sanity_> nah, its back up now
[18:44] <sanity_> but it was a 502 error, with google branding
[18:44] <sanity_> so it was definitely their server
[18:46] <reflect> ah.. I didn't get that one here
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[20:02] <toad_> rehi
[20:03] <ThePriest> hello!
[20:04] <Ratchet> hi toad_
[20:04] <toad_> hi Ratchet , ThePriest
[20:04] <toad_> anyone interested in testing the db4o branch please join #freenet-testers
[20:06] <Ratchet> i don't have time atm, but joining won't hurt i guess :-)
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[20:17] <Bombe> Hey, toad.
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[20:21] <toad_> hi Bombe
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[20:28] <reflect> should anyone be interested in Swedish news, there's now an FMS sv.news in english..
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[22:04] <UtopiahGHML> hi
[22:05] <UtopiahGHML> I just discovered the Maidsafe.net project and I was wondering how different it really was from FreeNet, I mean it looks like it's using pretty much the same fundamental ideas, no ?
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