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[3:27] <tey> hey
[3:28] <tey> do you need refs to start up freenet or is this not needed anymore
[3:28] <tey> ?
[3:29] <Tommy[D]> not needed any more
[3:29] <Tommy[D]> enable opennet and freenet should do the rest
[3:29] <tey> ok thanks didn't know that :)
[3:31] <Tommy[D]> no problem with that
[3:32] <tey> so how is the new freenet working, i tryed it like a year ago or so and it was slow, and ofcourse then you had to exchange refs
[3:33] <tey> anything improved since on the surfing, using
[3:33] <tey> ?
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[3:38] <Tommy[D]> hm, there are still freesites
[3:38] <Tommy[D]> there is still frost (also it has much spam)
[3:38] <Tommy[D]> the most noticeable addition is opennet with announcements, you enable opennet and your node does automaticly connect to other nodes
[3:39] <tey> its great to see that has happend the whole copy past thingwas not really practical at first
[3:39] <tey> maybe now there are more users
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[3:40] <tey> i really hope there is a lot
[3:40] <wes^saved> what is up with the stability of Freenet? !?!! I haven't been able to get an upload to my site in over 2 months! All I want is the stupid Freenet program to keep running. The thing shuts down and then my jSite insert fails. Auugh!
[3:40] <Tommy[D]> no problem with that for me, wes^saved
[3:41] <wes^saved> Tommy[D]: is your site big?
[3:41] <Tommy[D]> i want to say, my node runs stable and does not shut down
[3:42] <wes^saved> Well I can't say the same for my node. My computer is fine. My software is not.
[3:42] <Tommy[D]> tey: noone knows the exact user number, but i think, it is raising
[3:43] <Tommy[D]> wes^saved: any error messages in wrapper.log or logs/freenet-latest.log at crash time? Java vendor and version?
[3:44] <wes^saved> Question: does the AMD-64 port for Ubuntu use only 64-bit code or are there some ugly 32-bit codes lying around in there somewhere? I have a Pentium D - pure 64 bit.
[3:44] <wes^saved> Tommy[D]: I'll check.
[3:45] <Tommy[D]> amd64 port for ubuntu? o_O
[3:45] <Tommy[D]> freenet does run with a 64bit jvm for me, if thats your question
[3:46] <Tommy[D]> the only point is, as there is no 64bit FEC, inserts need more cpu/ram/time
[3:46] <wes^saved> yes it runs, but it craps out after a while.
[3:46] <Tommy[D]> java version and vendor?
[3:47] <wes^saved> mind if I paste the code here, or would you like me to upload it to bulix.org?
[3:47] <Tommy[D]> 1 or 2 lines are ok, more should go into some pastebin
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[3:50] <wes^saved> Tommy[D]: if I give the link, and the startup stuff includes wrapper information about my FreeMail account, can that compromize my security my pasting my wrapper.log to the public?
[3:51] <Tommy[D]> wes^saved: you can query me, if you want
[3:51] <wes^saved> done
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[3:54] <S0N1C> trade some refs?
[3:54] <Tommy[D]> the last one could be a bug, oom should not happen
[3:54] <Tommy[D]> how big is the load on the machine?
[3:55] <Tommy[D]> S0N1C: for refs, you can simply enable opennet, it should give you refs automaticly
[3:55] <S0N1C> #freenet-refs
[3:55] <wes^saved> apx. 500 megs java memory used, apx. 500 megs available to java
[3:56] <wes^saved> # Used Java memory: 329 MiB
[3:56] <wes^saved> # Allocated Java memory: 470 MiB
[3:56] <wes^saved> # Maximum Java memory: 494 MiB
[3:56] <wes^saved> # Running threads: 405/2000
[3:56] <Tommy[D]> how much ram do you have?
[3:56] <wes^saved> 2 gigs now
[3:56] <Tommy[D]> and how big is the cpu usage?
[3:57] <wes^saved> 9.0% CPU 30.1% MEM
[3:58] <Tommy[D]> similar at times where the node restarts?
[3:59] <wes^saved> i dont know. it's stable enough that it will run for several hours before a crash so I don't catch it to see (unpredictable time for restarts), I could do a manual restart and check if you would like..
[4:01] <Tommy[D]> the point is, most of the time, its a timeout
[4:02] <Tommy[D]> so either freenet itself crashed (could give an error in logs/freenet-latest.log) or needed to much time because of much load due to other programs
[4:02] <wes^saved> WOW. The Freenet thing is on a high right now, averaging 95% CPU Load. I've seen it say 99.9% the @#!~
[4:04] <Tommy[D]> after restart?
[4:04] <wes^saved> no.. just sitting on its ass doing nothing.. no surfing, only internal routing going on.
[4:05] <Tommy[D]> so it could be a timeout because of heavy load, perhaps try to raise the timeout amount in wrapper.conf
[4:05] <wes^saved> ok.. brb.
[4:09] <wes^saved> ok.. I added a 0 to the end of the time out time, so it should be 10 times as long. also increased mem usage to 1 gig available for wrapper.
[4:09] <wes^saved> I'll let you know how it goes in a couple days if the upload works.
[4:10] <wes^saved> btw, thanks for your help and patience. I get frustrated at things that don't work right, it's nice to have someone there to help me figure out how to make it work properly.
[4:12] <wes^saved> also, when it restarted it dropped down to 0% use, then up to 17% in 20 sec, then 80% in 30 sec., then 99% in 40 sec. now it is staying at around 91.2 13.7 3:17.35 java
[4:12] <Tommy[D]> high cpu load at startup is normal
[4:16] <wes^saved> cool. thanks.
[4:17] <Tommy[D]> your welcome and i hope, it helps
[4:23] <wes^saved> hmm.. weird.. now my node ping time is averaging 22 seconds.. usually its like 2 or 3 seconds.
[4:24] <wes^saved> now its down to 17 seconds..
[4:24] <wes^saved> still way higher than one would expect.
[4:25] <Tommy[D]> will probably get down to usual times, only needs some time
[4:25] <wes^saved> kk
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[5:04] <Jafet> #freenet-refs closed?
[5:04] * Jafet needs a ref
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[5:09] <Jafet> http://vixle.com/openref.txt
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[5:31] <landonf> Is the Freenet webstart signing certificate's fingerprint documented anywhere?
[5:31] <landonf> (to validate the download)
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[10:06] <nextgens> landonf> http://archives.freenetproject.org/message/20060626.124224.3094512c.en.html
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[10:55] <p0s> how does frost share the shared files list?
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[11:31] <Sandro190071> hello, I'm looking for contacts in order to enter in Freenet 0.7. Can someone help me?
[11:33] <Sandro190071> C'č qualcuno che parla italiano?
[11:36] <nextgens> try on #freenet-it
[11:38] <nextgens> p0s> the old file-sharing system was about a "special" message type in each board
[11:38] <nextgens> p0s> nowadays I think that there is a reserved board name dedicated for filesharing purposes
[11:39] <nextgens> p0s> I think that incremental updates are posted to that board... and the local-database is constructed from them
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[11:46] <Sandro190071> I can not connect to freenet-it, but I am still looking for some node refereces...is there someone that can give me his node reference?
[11:46] <nextgens> enable opennet
[11:47] <nyol> i lookin 4 refs, my ref is http://dark-code.bulix.org/phowzi-65243?raw
[11:47] <Sandro190071> here I am :http://dark-code.bulix.org/3o68sh-65242?raw
[11:49] <p0s> nextgens: okay thanks
[11:49] <nyol> Sandro190071, added, pls add me
[11:49] <Sandro190071> done
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[13:02] * Topic is 'http://freenetproject.org/download.html (1096 is mandatory), please read before asking for help here. #freenet-refs is no more, turn on insecure mode if you don't have any friends using Freenet | http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | logs: http://emu.freenetproject.org/irc/ | Tor blocked due to spam (get an op to voice you) | #freenet-fr #freenet-se #freenet-es #freenet-it #freenet-de | paste at http://code.bulix.org'
[13:02] * Set by nextgens on Thu Dec 27 19:29:41 UTC 2007
[13:02] -ChanServ- [#freenet] Welcome to the official Freenet support channel! Read the channel topic for more information!
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[14:06] <toad_> can somebody attempt to reproduce this bug? : https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=1961
[14:06] <toad_> all you need to do is install a node and tell me if it works
[14:06] * toad_ is also trying
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[14:18] <Pretorian> so now we don't have to exchange the refs here ?
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[14:22] <Pretorian> ?
[14:23] <toad_> yes
[14:23] <toad_> you don't have to exchange refs with strangers, full stop
[14:24] <Pretorian> and if I don't know another people usinf freenet ?
[14:25] <Pretorian> *using
[14:26] <toad_> then you use opennet / insecure mode
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[14:27] <Pretorian> where I can switch on that ?
[14:27] <Pretorian> promiscuos mode ?
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[14:28] <toad_> on the config page
[14:28] <toad_> and you'll need to download seednodes.fref from downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/seednodes/
[14:28] <toad_> err downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/
[14:30] <Pretorian> and then ?
[14:32] <Pretorian> ok, good
[14:32] <Pretorian> thank you
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[16:10] <P4C0> hello, long time without using freenet... i just give it a new try and boy this is fast... is it me or this is way faster than older versions? btw, i have a laptop, so it's a mobile station (ip address will change and it will be downtimes), is there any special configuration that i should set?
[16:10] <phrosty> yup, it's faster.
[16:15] <Zothar_Work> P4C0: using a dynamic DNS service can help, but if none of your peers are Friends/people you know, then it won't matter as you'll probably need to get new Strangers peers after each downtime; if a IP address change happens without a downtime, then dynamic DNS can universally help
[16:16] <P4C0> Zothar_Work, no, every ip change comes with downtime, do i still need dynamic dns?
[16:18] <Zothar_Work> P4C0: if the downtime is in the form of a number of hours or days, then it won't help probably; Freenet has a system of address resolution down across Freenet, but it'll require that you be able to connect to at least one of your peers to publish your updated IP address to Freenet for your other peers to be able to connect (because they're behind a NAT without port forwarding or their IP...
[16:18] <Zothar_Work> ...address also changed during your downtime and they don't use dynamic DNS either)
[16:19] <P4C0> thanks Zothar_Work
[16:22] <toad_> P4C0: you make me happy! somebody said it isn't dead slow! :)
[16:23] <P4C0> toad_, well, it's really fast... i mean i have use it before darknet and when darknet was first introduced
[16:24] <toad_> you used it in 0.5 days or earlier in 0.7?
[16:24] <P4C0> both
[16:24] <P4C0> never seen it as fast as now
[16:25] <toad_> most old 0.5 users complain and mumble about 0.5 being some sort of paradise
[16:25] <toad_> well we haven't had so much of that lately i suppose
[16:25] <toad_> anyway, how long since you installed?
[16:29] <P4C0> toad_, i installed it yesterday
[16:30] <P4C0> well, 0.5 suck all my bandwidth, maybe it was a paradise if you didn't use your pc for anything else... i think the speed now is good enough, at least for me, it was fast from the start
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[16:33] <toad_> P4C0: probably a matter of luck, which connections you get from announcement
[16:33] <toad_> it does bootstrap faster than 0.5 did though, so far
[16:35] <P4C0> toad_, i don't have any friends yet, full insecure :)
[16:36] <toad_> hehe i would offer you a connection but it seems a bit transparent to accept conns from newbies who flatter you :)
[16:38] <P4C0> toad_, that's right, don't :)
[16:40] <P4C0> i'm an fbi undercover agent (and also part-time worker for the church) :p
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[16:47] <toad_> hehe, the Church of Scientology? :)
[16:47] <Zothar_Work> (since all undercover agents will identify themselves as such... :)
[16:59] <P4C0> toad_, hehe
[17:00] <P4C0> subgenius church is nice... http://subgenius.com/
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[18:14] <toad_> folks, we need some trunk testing, please
[18:14] <toad_> we need to release 1097 soon, so if some people could get current trunk (after suitable backups - node* peers* freenet.ini downloads.dat.gz persistent-temp-*), and test it, that would be really helpful
[18:15] * Zothar_Work updates
[18:19] <toad_> nextgens: the email you sent me doesn't work either
[18:19] <toad_> brb
[18:21] <nextgens> toad_> which email ?
[18:22] <Zothar_Work> probably wouldn't hurt to reclaim main-jar fblobs from persistent-temp-* after 10 builds or something
[18:22] <nextgens> toad_> ok, will resend it
[18:23] <Zothar_Work> I've added up to 145 MB ATM
[18:23] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> after the mandatory-period is over maybe ?
[18:24] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: yeah, older than mandatory would work
[18:24] <Zothar_Work> I've got stuff going back to June... :)
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[18:39] <Zothar_Work> #1974 and #1975 created and assigned to me (for the time being at least)
[18:40] <toad_> nextgens: the log ... download it and send it manually please
[18:43] <Cooo> Backing up and updating.
[18:46] <nextgens> toad_> I've re-emailed you a bz2 file, didn't you get it ?
[18:56] <Cooo> Up and running with r16862. No backup seems to be needed for me :)
[19:05] <Cooo> Hmmm. Mabye I should file a bug for this "Unable to find native library for fec8 for platform linux-x86_64", or is https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=1795 enough even though that one is for AMD;s and I am using an Intel?
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[19:40] <Smar> Cooo: I spotted that, too
[19:40] <Smar> with amd64..
[19:48] <Tommy[D]> Cooo: that one is for 64 bit platforms, so both amd and intel
[19:48] <Tommy[D]> but some call it amd64, some x86_64 and some even x64
[19:53] <Smar> amd64 is really just amd's.. though intel's work quite same.. :)
[19:54] <Cooo> Ahh. Well then there really is no need for another bug report.
[19:59] <Tommy[D]> another word, but the same content....so useless to talk about it :)
[19:59] <Cooo> Then what we really need is an 64bit native FEC library, I guess there will be more and more 64bit users.
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[20:17] <Cooo> toad_: Tried the spider again too stress test Freenet trunk. After running the spider for 1 hour only index_00.xml (Filesize=0bytes) is written into myindex7. Only error I have got is the "Unable to find native library for fec8 for platform linux-x86_64" and the one reported as bug #1957 (Could not parse sub-manifest)
[20:18] <Cooo> Anyone else that wants to try to run the XMLSpider? Data should be written to the folder myindex7 inside your freenet folder every ~10 minutes.
[20:22] <Aldof666a2> hey toad_, found anything in the statistics log file i upload for you yesterday? about the node slowing down to crawl and things like that?
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[20:54] <Cooo> Hrrrm. ~30 minutes since I stopped XMLSpider and java is still using all my CPU, something seems wrong here.
[20:57] <Zothar_Work> Cooo: existing requests still left over from the spider run?
[21:04] <Cooo> Zothar_Work: Might be. But they should load and dissapear pretty fast ?
[21:05] <Zothar_Work> all depends on timeouts, if there are any (I'm not sure if it's possible for a request to never timeout; I'd hope not; if there is a maximum timeout (I'd hope there is), I don't know what it is and am too lazy/busy to look it up
[21:10] <Cooo> I guess most of the request should load pretty fast since my data store/cache is rather large and I have run the spider alot longer when it worked.
[21:13] <toad_> rehi
[21:13] <Smar> hi
[21:14] <Cooo> Hmmm. Pooled thread awaiting work : 211 (41,3%) Should that be so high when I'm only using 300 of 1800 possible threads?
[21:14] <Cooo> hi toad_
[21:14] <toad_> Cooo: ideally we'd probably want one for amd64 and one for em64t, the optimisations are likely to be quite different
[21:14] <toad_> Cooo: :(
[21:14] <toad_> Cooo: file a bug
[21:14] <toad_> Aldof666a2: sorry, I don't remember
[21:14] <Cooo> hi Smar : and a late happy new year to you to.
[21:15] <Smar> happy new year to you, too :)
[21:15] <Cooo> toad_: about the pooled thread thingy?
[21:15] <toad_> Cooo: yes, that's fine, it's % of the current total
[21:15] <Smar> Cooo: I haven't been able to upload anything more, too many crashes
[21:15] <toad_> Smar: what sort of crashes?
[21:15] <Smar> toad_: jvm crashes
[21:15] <Smar> I think timeouts
[21:16] <toad_> :|
[21:16] * toad_ has been getting datastore problems
[21:16] <toad_> any obvious reason? out of memory? datastore? anything?
[21:16] <Smar> hmm, let me look
[21:17] <Smar> argh
[21:17] <Smar> look like exceptions :D
[21:17] <Tommy[D]> hm, the timeout problem some people reported could be upload related, i remember, at least 2 of those i spoke to tried to upload something
[21:17] <Smar> “Could not open store:“..
[21:18] <Smar> “Caught exception“
[21:18] <Cooo> toad_: Now I do not follow? do you want me to file a bug about the (Pooled thread awaiting work : 211 (41,3%) even though I have ~1500 threads avaible) ? or did you read backlog and wants me to file a report about the other problems?
[21:18] <Smar> (DatabaseException)
[21:19] <Smar> “Failed to load native FEC“..
[21:19] <Smar> strange, I thought that I put x86-java in use
[21:19] <toad_> Cooo: ignore the pooled threads, like i said it's a percentage of the total number of RUNNING threads not of the limit.
[21:19] <toad_> Cooo: i meant about em64t, but it's not important since we don't have a working amd64 FEC library atm
[21:20] <Cooo> toad_: Ok.
[21:20] <toad_> Smar: hmmm
[21:20] <toad_> Smar: most of those are not fatal, have a look at each crash, what is the cause?
[21:20] <Smar> first two I think
[21:21] <Smar> these wrapper.logs are so large that I don't want to browse through every error
[21:21] <toad_> so there are DatabaseException's preceding both?
[21:21] <Smar> I saw mostly only Database errors
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[21:22] <Smar> I'm not sure if it was really DatabaseException for them both..
[21:23] <toad_> can you send me the wrapper.log ?
[21:23] <Smar> java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: Java heap space :: and these
[21:23] <Smar> hmm, yeah
[21:23] <Smar> http://smar.fi/wrapper.log
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[21:25] <toad_> Smar: ugh
[21:25] <toad_> Smar: increase the memory limit in wrapper.conf
[21:25] <toad_> Smar: come back if it doesn't fix it (preferably file a bug)
[21:26] <Smar> okie
[21:26] <Smar> how much would be good amount? (I have plenty left)
[21:27] <toad_> what's it set to now?
[21:27] <Smar> 64 and 128
[21:27] <Smar> initmemory and maxmemory
[21:27] <toad_> okay try setting the max to 256
[21:27] <Smar> okie
[21:27] * Cooo is using a maximum of 2000 :P
[21:28] <Smar> no restart should be needed(because, if it crashes, it takes that in use...?)
[21:28] <Cooo> not really using but I have wrapper.java.maxmemory=2000
[21:29] <toad_> you need to restart yes
[21:30] <Smar> so crash isn't enough? :D
[21:31] <Cooo> Really need to restart the node. Almost an hour since I stopped XMLSpider and CPU usage is still 100%
[21:31] <toad_> Cooo: huh?
[21:32] <toad_> Cooo: are you trying to talk to me?
[21:32] <Cooo> toad_: Thinking loud.
[21:32] <toad_> argh another datastore-related crash
[21:32] * toad_ should ORACLE BERKELEY DATABASE JAVA EDITION SUCKS!
[21:32] <toad_> err shouts
[21:33] <toad_> unfortunately so do all other options it seems
[21:33] <Cooo> toad_: But yeeah. we discussed the spider some weeks ago and I am still having problems with it :(
[21:34] <Cooo> Hrrrm.
[21:34] <Smar> toad_: you're not first who's saying that :D
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[21:42] <toad_> Smar: :(
[21:42] <toad_> you have a better option? people have lost their frost databases to hsqldb
[21:42] <toad_> so that's not a solution either
[21:42] <Cooo> restarted and now I am down to normal CPU usage.
[21:43] <toad_> Cooo: if the spider is broken, file a bug
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[21:43] <Smar> toad_: I think that there's not really better solution
[21:43] <toad_> well keeping it all in RAM sucks too
[21:43] <toad_> because it uses a ludicrous amount of RAM
[21:44] <toad_> especially as disks grow faster than RAM
[21:44] <toad_> don't they?
[21:44] <Smar> and berkley's db is anyway pretty fast compared to some alternatives :)
[21:44] <Cooo> toad_: I guess it's not the spider that is broken since the code for it haven't changed since it last worked for me.
[21:44] * toad_ has had at least two store-corrupts-itself-has-to-restart incidents today alone
[21:44] <toad_> restart-and-reconstruct
[21:44] <toad_> so it's a fresh store each time
[21:45] <toad_> we could use a mysql backend, but that sucks too: we'd have to bundle mysql, and error recovery with mysql isn't completely seamless either
[21:45] <toad_> at least not by my experience
[21:45] <sanity_2> Apache Derby?
[21:45] <sanity_2> (although i think sql is overkill)
[21:46] <toad_> i absolutely agree that SQL is overkill
[21:46] <Cooo> I guess disks grows faster than ram but ram is faster :) some sort of compromise might have to be done.
[21:46] <toad_> there are bazillions of databases, we haven't tried many of them yet
[21:48] <toad_> "Derby" is a snapshot of the IBM's Cloudscape Java relational database. IBM is opening the code by contributing it to The Apache Software Foundation and basing future versions of IBM Cloudscape on the Apache-managed code.
[21:48] <toad_> okay, but is it stable ?
[21:49] * toad_ notes that using ASL2 code arguably requires us to upgrade to GPL3, but then we know that
[21:52] <Cooo> good to know I guess
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[22:16] <toad_> okay, recommendations from ##java are either Derby or jdbm
[22:16] <toad_> jdbm is simple, unmaintained, and good for an external index
[22:16] <toad_> Derby is complex (SQL), maintained, and stable
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[22:23] <toad_> sanity_: i've been talking to ##java and i'm strongly leaning towards using Derby. it's SQL and somewhat complex, but it has a good reputation of being solid, and long term if it is in fact stable we can use it for saving a lot of memory on persistent requests
[22:23] <sanity_> well, i missed some of this, what is the problem with BDB?
[22:24] <toad_> it's rather unstable
[22:24] <toad_> on my node I've had it get corruption, restart, wipe the store index and reconstruct from the files, twice
[22:24] <toad_> and something like 10 times in the last week
[22:24] <sanity_> but do you really need more than a persistent hashtable?
[22:24] <toad_> I would say that's just me, but we have other reports
[22:25] <toad_> well, jdbm is an obvious solution, but it's unmaintained aka dead
[22:25] <toad_> and we need both the index and the LRU
[22:25] <toad_> so that's a hashtable or tree and a tree
[22:25] <sanity_> adding a sql database adds a lot more complexity
[22:25] <sanity_> designing an efficient schema is non-trivial
[22:26] <sanity_> have you looked at this : http://www.db4o.com/Default.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1
[22:26] <toad_> not for something as inherently trivial as our store index
[22:26] <toad_> yeah somebody suggested that
[22:26] <sanity_> ooh, 23MB
[22:27] <toad_> my main concern is stability, it'd be great to have transparent persistence of requests etc, but it's secondary
[22:27] <sanity_> brb - phone
[22:29] <toad_> also SQL would probably save us a fair amount of code, the current code has a lot of paranoid hacking
[22:29] <toad_> brb also
[22:39] <Cooo> Anyone knows where I can download older builds of freenet. Interested in #1093 and older.
[22:41] <Cooo> Also interested in Freenet-ext #17
[22:41] <Tommy[D]> i might have older ones somewhere
[22:42] <Tommy[D]> anyone here has some comments, annotations or wishes about the german translation?
[22:44] <Tommy[D]> Cooo: what do you want to do with them?
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[22:47] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: I wanna do some test to find out if my new comp is the problem or not when I try to run the spider.
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[23:09] <nextgens> [21:28] < Cooo> | not really using but I have wrapper.java.maxmemory=2000
[23:09] <nextgens> huh ?!
[23:09] <nextgens> less than 2k !!!
[23:10] <Cooo> Naaah. it's written in MB. Almost 2GB
[23:14] <Cooo> nextgens: ^ ^
[23:14] <nextgens> and you're sure about that ?
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[23:16] <deitarion> I'm trying to set up Freenet so I can check it out, but it fproxy doesn't bind to port 8888 despite being on the default settings and nothing else it taking it up either.
[23:16] <deitarion> A little help? I don't know how to troubleshoot this problem.
[23:16] <toad_> deitarion: hmmm
[23:17] <toad_> deitarion: has the node started? do you have a wrapper.log? if so pastebin it
[23:17] <Cooo> nextgens: Yep.. /stats/ says Max Java memory: 1.73 GiB
[23:18] <deitarion> toad_: http://rafb.net/p/2cnwZ819.html
[23:18] <deitarion> I'll give you a new paste if anything new appears
[23:18] <deitarion> Aha...
[23:19] <deitarion> http://rafb.net/p/bSo25P28.html
[23:19] <nextgens> :D
[23:19] <toad_> eeek
[23:19] <toad_> deitarion: let it try again
[23:19] <toad_> deitarion: do you have java installed?
[23:19] <nextgens> the error we have been talking about for a while
[23:20] <nextgens> deitarion> what's the result of cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail ?
[23:20] <deitarion> toad_: I have both 1.5-series and 1.6-series JDKs installed. 1.6 is default.
[23:20] <deitarion> nextgens: 3596
[23:21] <deitarion> toad_: It just announced that it's giving up after five failed launches in less than 300 seconds.
[23:21] <deitarion> Oh, I forgot to mention. I'm running 64-bit native Gentoo Linux on an Athlon64 X2.
[23:22] <nextgens> deitarion> I've got something else for you to try
[23:22] <Tommy[D]> deitarion: how did you install freenet?
[23:23] <nextgens> deitarion> may you add "wrapper.logfile.loglevel=DEBUG" into your wrapper.conf file and retry/repaste your wrapper.log file please ?
[23:23] <nextgens> that's the only way we can catch that bug
[23:24] <deitarion> Tommy[D]: I tried using both the GUI installed and the copy offered in the sunrise Portage overlay. Same result.
[23:24] <deitarion> nextgens: One sec.
[23:25] <deitarion> s/installed/installer/
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[23:30] <deitarion> nextgens: http://rafb.net/p/Wlw9n412.html
[23:32] <toad_> odd
[23:33] <toad_> see if you can get a stack dump (kill -QUIT) during the 30 second period
[23:33] <toad_> in that log between 18:27:05 and 18:27:34
[23:33] <toad_> between "Open socket to wrapper" and "Startup failed"
[23:33] <nextgens> deitarion> and port 32000/tcp is not already bound ? local traffic on "lo" is allowed ?
[23:37] <deitarion> nextgens: Yes. It successfully binds 32000 and I don't remember blocking any localhost traffic.
[23:38] <deitarion> Yep, still the same with my iptables flushed.
[23:38] <deitarion> One sec and I'll try for a stack dump.
[23:39] * nextgens will give you something else to try afterwards
[23:39] <deitarion> Wait... would `./run.sh dump` do it? Probably easier.
[23:40] <toad_> yes
[23:40] <toad_> well maybe
[23:40] <toad_> it goes through the wrapper
[23:40] <toad_> you may have to kill -QUIT
[23:40] <nextgens> deitarion> add "wrapper.app.parameter.2=freenet.ini" to wrapper.conf please
[23:40] <nextgens> and get us the new wrapper.log :)
[23:41] <deitarion> nextgens: You want me to specify the ini file twice? wrapper.app.parameter.1=freenet.ini
[23:41] <nextgens> yeah :)
[23:41] <nextgens> because the first thing we do in our code is to check that there is less than two args
[23:41] <deitarion> toad_: Actually, if -QUIT is -3 (I forget), then I think that's what ./run.sh dump does.
[23:41] <nextgens> I want to know if it reaches our code or not
[23:43] <nextgens> so ? :)
[23:44] <deitarion> I'm waiting for it to give up after 5 tries so I can paste a log that won't change between typing `less wrapper.log` and `nopaste wrapper.log`
[23:45] <deitarion> http://rafb.net/p/PYqXEc16.html
[23:46] <nextgens> okay it doesn't reach our code
[23:46] <nextgens> SIGCHLD what's that ? it happens on a fork() right ?
[23:46] <deitarion> You know more than me. To answer, I'd have to turn to Wikipedia.
[23:47] <nextgens> hmm it's the opposite
[23:47] <nextgens> okay
[23:47] <nextgens> deitarion> what about the file-permissions of the freenet directory ?
[23:48] <deitarion> drwxr-xr-x 10 ssokolow ssokolow 4.0K 2008-01-03 18:44 /home/ssokolow/bin/Freenet
[23:48] <nextgens> okay
[23:48] <deitarion> I let the GUI installer create it.
[23:50] <nextgens> try "wrapper.ignore_signals=FALSE" in wrapper.conf
[23:50] <nextgens> and if that doesn't work any better try to get rid of "wrapper.java.additional.3=-enableassertions:freenet"
[23:50] <Tommy[D]> deitarion: which profile and kernel do you use?
[23:51] <toad_> 1097 released and announced
[23:51] * toad_ changes topic to 'http://freenetproject.org/download.html (1097 mandatory soon), please read before asking for help here. #freenet-refs is no more, turn on insecure mode if you don't have any friends using Freenet | http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | logs: http://emu.freenetproject.org/irc/ | Tor blocked due to spam (get an op to voice you) | #freenet-fr #freenet-se #freenet-es #freenet-it #freenet-de | paste at http://code.bulix.org'
[23:52] <deitarion> Tommy[D]: Current stable (I forget what that currently is) and gentoo-sources 2.6.23-r3
[23:52] <toad_> deitarion: did you get the thread dump?
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[23:52] <toad_> stack trace
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[23:52] <deitarion> toad_: I need to enable core dump generation first. Give me a sec.
[23:52] <nextgens> toad_> it will be in the wrapper's code
[23:53] <nextgens> toad_> and it's not compiled with the debug infos afaic
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[23:53] <toad_> nextgens: the error message said it could be caused by problems in NodeStarter ?
[23:54] <toad_> | Most likely the main class specified in the Wrapper configuration file is not correctly initializing the Wrapper classes:
[23:54] <nextgens> toad_> did you read what I have asked deitarion to do ?
[23:54] <nextgens> the *first* check we do is the number of arguments we got
[23:54] <toad_> nextgens: i'm not sure i understand it
[23:55] <toad_> nextgens: okay
[23:55] <toad_> i see
[23:55] <nextgens> I wanted to ensure it doesn't reach our code
[23:55] <nextgens> and it doesn't
[23:55] <toad_> so if we have two parameters, it will throw
[23:55] <toad_> and it doesn't
[23:55] <toad_> right
[23:55] <deitarion> It's not responding to SIGQUIT.
[23:56] <nextgens> which might be normal if you haven't set "wrapper.ignore_signals=FALSE" yet
[23:56] <deitarion> oops. one sec.
[23:58] <deitarion> Still ignoring SIGQUIT.
[23:59] <toad_> deitarion: ignore me :)
[23:59] <toad_> well it might help to know where it is, i dunno
[23:59] <toad_> but it hasn't reached our code
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