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[0:16] <wes^saved> *new to freenet* ##freenet-refs :)
[0:17] <wes^saved> lol
[0:17] <Jflesch> wes^saved: no seriously, #freenet-refs is not useful anymore
[0:18] <Jflesch> nextgens didn't "remove" this chan just to have fun
[0:19] <Jflesch> (ok, maybe also to have some fun ... but not only ... :)
[0:19] <wes^saved> What about those people who want to have darknet connections with semi-trusted parties rather then using opennet? Opennet use without implimented pre-mix routing is just asking for trouble. .. I'll turn the channel to "unlisted" mode if you'd prefer..
[0:20] <Jflesch> wes^saved: define "semi-trusted parties"
[0:20] <Jflesch> ?
[0:20] <Jflesch> wes^saved: turning the channel to unlisted mode won't make it safer
[0:20] <wes^saved> friends you've talked to on an IRC channel and have gotten to know over the months..
[0:21] <Jflesch> wes^saved: then you don't need a channel ? you just have to exchange your refs in private ?
[0:21] <wes^saved> point taken.
[0:22] <wes^saved> Just please don't remove #freenet-chat
[0:22] <Jflesch> not planned :)
[0:22] <wes^saved> kk
[0:35] <wes^saved> In Freenet is the darknet connectivity functionality going to be maintained and improved along with opennet or will it be put on the backburner?
[0:36] <wes^saved> I really think the best feature about Freenet is its darknet peering capability
[0:39] <Jflesch> wes^saved: no it will be maintained
[0:39] * wes^saved hugs Jflesch :)
[0:39] <Jflesch> hugs toad instead :p
[0:39] <Jflesch> from what I know, he is doing most of the work on the node :)
[0:40] <Jflesch> (yes, 'toad' is a nickname ;)
[0:40] <wes^saved> he is the main programmer. I'll have to thank him next year
[0:41] <Jflesch> :)
[0:41] <wes^saved> ty bbl perhaps
[1:07] <nextgens> wes^saved> please remove that channel
[1:08] <wes^saved> nextgens: I'm in the process.. it took me 15 mins to set up, so it'll take me a while to unregister it..
[1:08] <nextgens> wes^saved> reference trading has to be done with friends for the small world properties of the created network topology to be respected
[1:08] <nextgens> if you don't have friends using freenet use opennet
[1:08] <nextgens> and if you do, swap references using a secure connection -possibly offline-
[1:09] <nextgens> secure channel I should have writen
[1:09] <nextgens> *written
[1:09] <nextgens> ie: not over irc
[1:10] <wes^saved> nextgens: done.
[1:12] <wes^saved> nextgens: speaking of irc, are there any plans to impliment an IRC-style instant messenger like 0.5 had?
[1:12] <wes^saved> (private instant messaging over Freenet)
[1:13] <wes^saved> (and no, I'm not talking about N2NTM
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[1:23] <TheSeeker> NSABob, NSA or not, makes some interesting arguments as to why afriends-only darknet is the best possibel thing for intelligence agencies. Sying that they don't care so much what you're saying, since they can figure that out later by your actions, more useful is the people you're connected to.
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[9:30] <nextgens> wes^saved> what are you referring to ? iirc .5 didn't have any instant messenger
[9:31] <nextgens> TheSeeker> that's silly because you will connect to your friends in any case, if not by freenet it will be by other means
[9:32] <nextgens> TheSeeker> agencies can spy on your phone calls, remember ?
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[11:15] -kloeri- [Global Notice] Hi all, we're celebrating New Years in #freenode-newyears. Happy New Years from freenode staff and thank you for using freenode.
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[12:51] -ChanServ- [#freenet] Welcome to the official Freenet support channel! Read the channel topic for more information!
[12:53] [freenode-connect VERSION]
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[15:12] <wes^saved> nextgens: It was some sort of IRC over Freenet; I don't recall what it was called.
[15:12] <nextgens> iip ?
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[15:12] <nextgens> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_IRC_Project
[15:13] <nextgens> that wasn't freenet related
[15:18] <wes^saved> (checked your link), yeah that might have been it. In any case, can real-time (or close to) messaging be incorporated into Freenet?
[15:19] <wes^saved> .. or it could have been PM4PIGS
[15:21] <wes^saved> would it be possible to simply have messages inserted into Freenet expire in 5 minutes or so, so that it wouldn't clog the network with garbage while still allowing instant communication and a short buffer of what was said in the past 5 mins.?
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[15:22] <nextgens> not before ulprs are implemented
[15:22] <nextgens> or passive requests ( a 0.8 feature)
[15:22] <nextgens> .5 didn't have anything like that anyway
[15:22] * wes^saved nods
[15:23] <wes^saved> hm, interesting. ok. good to know.
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[17:26] <pheenode> hi
[17:26] <pheenode> I see opennet functionality suddenly works
[17:27] <pheenode> some of my nodes suddenly aquired 20 opennet peers
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[22:59] <bwpow> Happy new year from Slovakia
[23:03] <Jflesch> and Happy new year from France :)
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[23:08] <Tamagoshi> anyone wanna exchange freenet references ?
[23:08] <Jflesch> Tamagoshi: #freenet-refs was dedicated to that
[23:08] <Jflesch> Tamagoshi: but we removed this channel since opennet is now working
[23:08] <Tamagoshi> i,m sorry!
[23:09] <TheSeeker> lol, just got this message on the #freenet board: (dated yesterday, index 3493)
[23:09] <Tamagoshi> opennet is not working with me.
[23:09] <TheSeeker> toad@zceUWxlSaHLmvEMnbr4RHnVfehA ----- 2007.12.23 - 00:10:31GMT -----
[23:09] <TheSeeker> Freenet 0.7 build 1096 is now available, and will be mandatory on Monday
[23:09] <Jflesch> Tamagoshi: "too bad"
[23:10] <TheSeeker> Jflesch: be nice :P
[23:10] <TheSeeker> Tamagoshi: do you have the seednodes.fref file in your freenet dir?
[23:10] <Jflesch> TheSeeker: me ? I'm always nice ! :)
[23:10] <Jflesch> (ok, maybe not always .... :)
[23:10] <Tamagoshi> okay i'm trying again thanks.
[23:11] <Jflesch> Tamagoshi: any error message on the frontpage of your node ?
[23:11] <Tamagoshi> wait a minute i'm checking.
[23:11] <TheSeeker> Tamagoshi: did you just do a new install (with the installer) or have you been running 0.7 for at least a few weeks?
[23:11] <Jflesch> (error or warning, except the warning saying "you are using opennet, it's insecure and will probably eat your computer")
[23:12] <Tamagoshi> Buggy JVM Warning
[23:12] <Tamagoshi> any relation?
[23:12] <Jflesch> hm, dunno
[23:12] <Jflesch> what jvm are using ?
[23:12] <Jflesch> +you
[23:12] <TheSeeker> No "Warning: Insecure Mode Enabled: Your node will connect to strangers" ?
[23:13] <Tamagoshi> i'm using jv1.5
[23:13] <Jflesch> Tamagoshi: maybe should you update to java 1.6 ?
[23:13] <Tamagoshi> yes "Warning: Insecure Mode Enabled: Your node will connect to strangers"
[23:13] <Jflesch> k
[23:14] <TheSeeker> but there's no connections on your Strangers page?
[23:14] <Jflesch> and no connection displayed in http://127.0.0.1:8888/strangers/ ? hmm, weird
[23:14] <Tamagoshi> no connections in strangers.
[23:14] <Jflesch> Tamagoshi: what is the version of your node ? (it's written at the bottom of the homepage of your node)
[23:15] <Tamagoshi> Freenet 0.7 Build #1096 r16799
[23:15] <Jflesch> hmmm
[23:15] <Jflesch> Tamagoshi: you don't use any proxy to have access to the web ?
[23:16] <Tamagoshi> no dialup connection.
[23:16] <TheSeeker> Open up your wrapper.log and look for comments about seed nodes, see if it's even trying to connect to them.
[23:16] <Tamagoshi> okay one minute
[23:17] <TheSeeker> like:
[23:17] <TheSeeker> Announcement to 67.55.179.1:59226 starting...
[23:17] <TheSeeker> Announcement to 67.55.179.1:59226 completed.
[23:18] <Jflesch> hm, will I'm thinking of it : Tamagoshi: for how long your node has been running ?
[23:18] <Tamagoshi> 1 hour so-so.
[23:18] <Jflesch> -for
[23:18] <Jflesch> hmm
[23:18] <Jflesch> maybe you should simply let it run longer (just an idea ; I'm not sure of how many time a node needs to connect to the opennet)
[23:19] <Tamagoshi> okay i'm trying thanks for your time,bye.
[23:20] <Jflesch> you're welcome :)
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[23:34] <ljn1981> Happy new year
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[23:59] -christel- [Global Notice] From all of us in #freenode-newyears to all of you out there; the best wishes for 2008! Happy GNU^WNew Year, hope it brings you all you wish for..
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