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[2:25] <hackman> hi srry i part that was a test
[2:26] <hackman> a guy wasn't able to enter here o_O
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[3:47] <Smar> hi...there's nothing like php for a freesite, is there?
[3:48] <Tommy[D]> no
[3:49] <Smar> okie, I'll think something..
[3:49] <Tommy[D]> simply html
[3:50] <Tommy[D]> what do you want to do?
[3:51] <Smar> I was just thinking if there is decent way to upkeep a site
[3:52] <Smar> you know, with php you can use includes, etc.
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[4:15] <Tommy[D]> Smar, whats with frames / divs or similar?
[4:16] <Smar> “divs“?
[4:16] <Smar> I won't use frames, I hate them :)
[4:18] <kobbay> hi all
[4:18] <Tommy[D]> hm, no, div is a layout tag
[4:18] <kobbay> i have a question. when connecting freenet, it 'is not possible to browse the ''normal'' web, right ? freenet is a network in the network and has its own web sites and services .... am i right ?
[4:18] <Smar> Tommy[D]: yeah, you can't include code with it?
[4:20] <Tommy[D]> Smar, no
[4:21] <Tommy[D]> kobbay, why not? you can open 1 window for browsing freenet and another one for the "normal web"
[4:21] <Smar> yeah :(
[4:21] <Smar> well, I'll write a script
[4:21] <Tommy[D]> javascript will also not work
[4:22] <Smar> I know that :)
[4:22] <Smar> I'm coder, after all :P
[4:22] <Tommy[D]> a script creating the pages?
[4:22] <Smar> yeh
[4:23] <Smar> it's boring to make multipaged sites with pure html :/
[4:23] <Tommy[D]> yes, the easiest way, i think
[4:23] <Tommy[D]> you can still use css too
[4:23] <Smar> :)
[4:24] <Smar> it's quite much “a must“
[4:25] <Tommy[D]> depends on what you want and with what you are satisfied ;)
[4:26] <Smar> oh well :)
[4:27] <Smar> I usually use just <p> and <div> when I make layouts, meh :)
[4:31] <Tommy[D]> simple, working, better than those "modern" pages with some hundred blinking java applets and no content :)
[4:34] <Smar> hehe, yeah
[4:34] <Smar> thinking that... freenet could use java applets? ^^
[4:34] <Smar> I don't have even java plugin, but interesting idea
[4:36] <Tommy[D]> hm, i think, i would have read the page before the applets are loaded and then close it before its blinking :D
[4:37] <Tommy[D]> ....if i would have allowed them to load....
[4:37] <Smar> hehe
[4:37] <Smar> quite true
[4:46] <Smar> hmm, that's quite simple script
[4:47] <Smar> http://sooda.dy.fi/paste/?0Op :: anything to complain? ^^
[4:51] <Tommy[D]> you could save a line with something else than fish ^^
[4:52] <Smar> :<
[4:52] <Smar> fish is lovely <3
[4:52] <Smar> actually there's really few thingies, just fixed them :)
[4:52] <kobbay> Tommy[D]: ok, i mean if i browse http://www.worldwideweb.com it's not with freenet ! freenet works only trough the nodes and with 127.0.0 ... urls, is that right
[4:52] <kobbay> ?
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[4:53] <Smar> kobbay: yeah, so it is
[4:53] <Tommy[D]> kobbay, yes, freenet is no proxy, its a world for itself
[4:54] <Belcebu> so no more fer trading?
[4:54] <Belcebu> *ref
[4:54] <Tommy[D]> no ref trading needed, opennet is fully working
[4:54] <Belcebu> ok, and is it still free and annonymous
[4:55] <Belcebu> ?
[4:56] <sanity> Belcebu: its free
[4:56] <Smar> anonymous... more than some other systems
[4:56] <sanity> Belcebu: and it makes it difficult for people to determine your identity
[4:56] <Tommy[D]> should not be anything less good than before
[4:56] <Belcebu> get it
[4:56] <sanity> Belcebu: anonymity isn't black and white - there are degrees of difficulty to compromise anonymity
[4:56] <sanity> Belcebu: ie. they could always bug your keyboard
[4:57] <Tommy[D]> i dont like bugs :>
[4:57] <sanity> Belcebu: so we don't say "Freenet makes you anonymous" - because its a matter of degrees
[4:58] <Belcebu> understood ... and I know the pefect annonymity does not exist
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[5:06] <kobbay> thx
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[13:17] <itsu> anyone darknet key pour moi ?
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[13:36] <Tommy[D]> itsu, if you need peers, enable opennet
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[13:36] <itsu> i did , but i wanted to activate also the darknet
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[13:37] <Tommy[D]> itsu, there is no difference between darknet and opennet, only darknet is for connections with your friends or other trusted people
[13:38] <itsu> ah okay ,
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[14:04] <p0s> hi. i created a fix for a severe gij/gcj bug. i need someone who knows HTMLFilter.java and the way characterset-conversions work very vell to verify that it does not break anything.
[14:05] <Tommy[D]> i would say, if you need someone to check it, you will have to wait for nextgens or toad_ back again, i dont know enough
[14:06] <Tommy[D]> but you could patch, compile and test it localy, did you do that already?
[14:07] <p0s> well it compiles and it works, but i want to make sure that it doesn't break anything.
[14:07] <p0s> it involves ignoring a certain exception.
[14:08] <p0s> there is a bug in libgcj i think: some read() function throws an exception instead of returning -1 for EOF
[14:09] <p0s> i dug into its source code...
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[15:02] <mario-germany> asd
[15:02] <mario-germany> http://dark-code.bulix.org/au9xcy-65035?raw
[15:03] <mario-germany> Hallo?
[15:03] <greycat> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/OpenNet
[15:03] <mario-germany> Hallo Do U want to add me?
[15:04] <greycat> You need to read that wiki page, especially the "getting started" part.
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[15:07] <mario-germany> HAllo?
[15:09] <Tommy[D]> mario-germany, enable opennet
[15:09] <mario-germany> Hay tommi ich binn doch opennet
[15:10] <Tommy[D]> -> #freenet-de
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[15:25] <p0s> uhm, i just minimized my thaw to tray and don't know how to restore it? double left or right click does not work.
[15:26] <Tommy[D]> alt+tab?
[15:28] <p0s> it's minimized *to tray* so it's not in the alt+tab list
[15:29] <Tommy[D]> kill and restart?
[15:30] <p0s> i am inserting :(
[15:30] <Smar> I'd like to know how to use Frost's tray icon when you it doesn't want to appear in tray :<
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[15:40] <p0s> grrr. i've restarted thaw. now there is a 512mb temp file in the persistent-temp folder which is not removed
[15:40] <p0s> i mean i was inserting a large file and then restarted that.
[15:40] <p0s> now the large file is not in the insertion list of freenet or that but the temp file still exists
[15:40] <Smar> I started to use frost because thaw worked so...well, it didn't work at all
[15:40] <p0s> oh okay restarting freenet deleted it.
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[15:50] <binxie> Anyone wanna swap Refs?
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[15:51] <binxie> Hello Weckle247, wanna swap refs?
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[15:52] <Smar> binxie: read the topic..
[15:53] <binxie> Well where exactly are we supposed to find references now then?
[15:53] <binxie> Smarty, heh.
[15:53] <Smar> ...you read it? :)
[15:53] <binxie> Yes...
[15:53] <binxie> And insecure mode certain isn't any help. >.>
[15:54] <binxie> I need real references.
[15:54] <Smar> well, yeah :)
[15:54] <weckle247> it seems not to be insecure any more since the last new versions
[15:55] <binxie> I'm getting no connections through that at all. >.>
[15:55] <Smar> ehh... are you sure that you have newest version, binxie?
[15:55] <binxie> Build 1096
[15:55] <Smar> hmm. go to find seedrefs.href by hand, then :/
[15:56] <Smar> I don't remember where it was
[15:56] <binxie> Well thank you. >.>
[15:56] <binxie> I take it they moved this somewhere else...
[16:03] <Tommy[D]> binxie, download http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref into your freenet dir and restart freenet
[16:04] <Tommy[D]> with active opennet you should then get peers
[16:04] <binxie> Thank you Tommy.
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[16:39] <halloweenharry> hi folks
[16:39] <halloweenharry> any1 familiar with jsite
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[16:40] <Smar> more or less
[16:40] <halloweenharry> is ist normal, that jsite alters the html-pages?
[16:40] <Smar> “alters“?
[16:41] <halloweenharry> yes, i have framesets in my freesite, and after insertion all frameset-attributes are gone
[16:41] <halloweenharry> for example: <frameset rows="150,*" border=0 frameborder=0>
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[16:42] <halloweenharry> after insertion i view the uploaded page source and there are no more attributes in the frameset-tag
[16:45] <halloweenharry> or is it a fproxy thing?
[16:45] <Smar> that your code seems to have awful syntax ;)
[16:45] <Smar> I don't know. I recommend you to forget frames
[16:46] <halloweenharry> as i wrote "for example:" ;)
[16:46] <Smar> :P
[16:46] <halloweenharry> but it makes things a lot easier :I
[16:46] <Smar> why?
[16:46] <halloweenharry> i dont have to copy the page header in every page
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[16:47] <Smar> well, I made a script for that
[16:47] <halloweenharry> tell me :)
[16:47] <Smar> I'll release it soon... well, now if you want it :)
[16:48] <halloweenharry> i want :P
[16:48] <Anarhist> halloweenharry: are you sure it's jsite doing that, and not the FProxy?
[16:48] <Anarhist> try downloading the html page of the site that you believe is messed up by jsite with some file download tool
[16:49] <Anarhist> and then look at it
[16:49] <halloweenharry> i will
[16:49] <halloweenharry> brb
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[16:50] <Smar> oh, yeah, do you have *nix?
[16:50] <Anarhist> this does sound weird, i think AnotherIndex uses frames and it shows up well
[16:51] <halloweenharry> sure thing but running freenet in a vmware-winxp-box :P
[16:51] <Anarhist> why do ppl do this?
[16:52] <halloweenharry> because i often have to use windoze for some things to work but wont use it for everything
[16:52] <Anarhist> can't be giving you that much more security
[16:53] <Anarhist> so why is freenet there?
[16:53] <Smar> halloweenharry: hmm. Well, you can tranfer data then :P
[16:53] <halloweenharry> i dont want to start another flamewar so leave it as it is ;)
[16:53] <Anarhist> i was just curious, not flaming
[16:53] <Smar> It's fish script, so if you don't have fish, you need to convert it to bash/sh first :)
[16:53] <Anarhist> i thought maybe there was a good simple reason
[16:54] <halloweenharry> downloaded with frameset -attributes . hmmmm
[16:54] <Smar> Anarhist: A Good Reason: because linux is the best. Happy?
[16:54] <halloweenharry> seems to be a fproxy thing
[16:55] <Anarhist> then i suggest that you file the bug
[16:55] <Anarhist> make sure to give a copy of your frameset
[16:55] <Anarhist> frameset-htmlcode
[16:56] <Anarhist> of course you'll be identifying yourself as the author of the site if you'll publish it later on, so be weary
[16:56] <halloweenharry> so anybody else can see my site as it should be?
[16:56] <Anarhist> and also you might want to look at Another Index, because it is working just fine... so compare and contrast your code to it
[16:56] <Anarhist> can you post the url to it?
[16:57] <halloweenharry> hehe :) read your last lines, and forget ur question :)
[16:57] <Anarhist> well, it depends upon what your site is about
[16:57] <Anarhist> it didn't need to be anything illegal
[16:57] <Anarhist> i openly advertise some of the freesites i've inserted
[16:58] <Anarhist> but it's forgotten
[16:58] <Smar> okie, releasing..
[16:58] * halloweenharry is now known as librarian
[17:00] <librarian> anyway, thank you guys for your help i will check anotherindex and look what they have done about this problem
[17:00] <librarian> have to go now
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[17:00] <Smar> meh :)
[17:01] <Anarhist> and all of us will be waiting with the site with frames to appear on freenet
[17:03] <Smar> meh :)
[17:05] <Smar> http://moon:8888/USK@p-Ol0sSe67AXPN-E-sJeHtdVHpGGXcPWOeC-98-xMlQ,i238Uk9eCfXPykklLxsOymdrEk0cjFhpymTqtbErRBM,AQACAAE/sml/11/smirsh.html :: there's his script, but he got away :<
[17:06] <Anarhist> moon????
[17:06] <Tommy[D]> that wont work for the default users, most dont surf on the moon :)
[17:07] <Smar> Anarhist: convert it to localhost, dummy
[17:08] <Smar> I'd give just a key, but I'm lazy
[17:08] <Anarhist> q;-(
[17:08] <Anarhist> im noot a "dummy"
[17:08] <Anarhist> not
[17:08] <Anarhist> i was making a sarcastic observation
[17:08] <Smar> :>
[17:08] <greycat> ssh -L 8888:localhost:8888 means never having to surf on the moon
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[18:19] <nextgens> hi
[18:30] <Smar> hi
[18:34] <saces> ho
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[19:04] <jon5> hi
[19:04] <jon5> does anybody here speak swedish?
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[19:06] <Smar> very little bit :P
[19:07] <Smar> kah, you maybe speak more
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[19:08] <Smar> hmm. away?
[19:23] <Tommy[D]> he has left
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[19:35] <Smar> seems so
[19:36] <Smar> I already ignored quit msgs
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[19:52] <Tommy[D]> Smar: does not seems so, it is so :)
[19:53] <Smar> meh, minor thingies
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[20:53] <Smar> why that bot doesn't announce revision logs... would be more useful, imho :)
[20:54] <saces> they are on #freenet-chat
[20:54] <Smar> hmm.
[20:55] <Smar> 'kie :)
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[21:47] <uafoipdsajf> my node doesnt connect
[21:47] <uafoipdsajf> where do i put the seednodes file?
[21:48] <uafoipdsajf> im using 1096 and have been disconnected for a long while
[21:48] <uafoipdsajf> freenet-ext havent updated yet
[21:49] <Smar> put it to root
[21:49] <Smar> then restart your node
[21:49] <Smar> so it should start working
[21:50] <uafoipdsajf> ok i missed the restart, trying that now
[21:54] <uafoipdsajf> ok it works now thanks
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