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[0:12] <slack_> salve
[0:14] <slack_> hello
[0:16] <Cooo> hallo
[0:18] <slack_> I would like to connect to Freenet, I can post here url my reference Node ?
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[0:20] <slack_> Cooo you help me please
[0:20] <Cooo> slack_: You should use opennet,
[0:21] <slack_> sorry this https://opennet.salliemae.com/
[0:23] <Cooo> dunno.. Not visiting the adress. you should enable opennet(promicous mode) on your node.
[0:24] <slack_> in http://127.0.0.1:8888/
[0:25] <slack_> Enable promiscuous mode [true]
[0:25] <slack_> ?
[0:25] <Tommy[D]> yes
[0:26] <slack_> <Cooo> ok done
[0:26] <slack_> Hours do I do?
[0:26] <slack_> I have to wait?
[0:27] <Tommy[D]> visit the start page, it should tell you something about announcement
[0:30] <slack_> I said that I connect with others
[0:31] <slack_> devo cambiare l'ip ?
[0:32] <slack_> I change the IP?
[0:34] <Tommy[D]> ?
[0:34] <slack_> I said the home page No peer found
[0:35] <slack_> I change the IP address to bind to ? in
[0:36] <slack_> said : Warning: Insecure Mode Enabled: Your node will connect to strangers
[0:39] <slack_> <Cooo> sorry my received : Critical Errors: 1 | Warnings: 1 | Total:2 | See them on the Freenet Homepage.
[0:40] <slack_> <Cooc> You want in your list freenet?
[0:44] <Cooo> slack_: not shure thst I can help. I am to tired to be af any help.
[0:48] <slack_> ok
[0:49] <Tommy[D]> slack_, simply wait some minuts
[0:49] <Tommy[D]> it should connect to some peers with opennet enabled (you used the online installer?)
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[0:49] <slack_> After I set a promiscuous way what should be done? And just wait?
[0:50] <slack_> ok
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[0:50] <slack_> i used gentoo ebuild
[0:50] <slack_> emerge freenet
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[0:51] <Tommy[D]> oh, my ebuild from sunrise overlay?
[0:53] <slack_> ok /usr/portage/local/layman/sunrise
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[0:56] <slack_> <Tommy[D]> in home page freenet I have an error : o peers found its normal ?
[0:57] <Tommy[D]> that should have given you an older but working version (1091)
[0:57] <Tommy[D]> slack_, you have version 1091?
[0:58] <slack_> net-p2p/freenet-0.7.1091
[0:58] <slack_> yes
[0:59] <Tommy[D]> i did not include the seednodes-file with that build, you should download http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref and put it into /opt/freenet/ and restart freenet after that
[1:00] <slack_> ok , one moment
[1:03] <slack_> ok #cp seednodes-file /opt/freenet and /etc/init.d restart
[1:05] <slack_> <Tommy[D]> ok
[1:06] <Tommy[D]> slack_, does work, does announce and give you peers?
[1:06] <slack_> No peers found
[1:07] <Tommy[D]> do you have a message about announcement, which you can hide?
[1:08] <slack_> yes this message speak : There is no seednodes.fref file found, so the node will not be able to automatically bootstrap itself onto the opennet. Please add some nodes manually.
[1:09] <slack_> ok find the error is my file /opt/freenet/seednodes-file its not seednodes.fref
[1:09] <slack_> <Tommy[D]> change name in /opt/seednodes.fref ?
[1:10] <Tommy[D]> /opt/freenet/seednodes.fref
[1:10] <slack_> ok
[1:11] <slack_> done
[1:12] <Tommy[D]> and restart freenet
[1:12] <slack_> the message announce is changed
[1:12] <slack_> Node Announcing : The node is currently attempting to connect to seednodes and announce itself to the opennet (Strangers network). This may take a few minutes.
[1:12] <slack_> its ok all
[1:13] <slack_> <Tommy[D]> I now have to manually configure else ?
[1:13] <Tommy[D]> so after some minutes you should get some peers (and another message about too old version, but freenet should offer you an update soon after that)
[1:14] <Tommy[D]> slack_, you dont have to change anything else, if you dont want something special, should now run out of the box
[1:15] <Tommy[D]> next release i am working on should do this work for the user
[1:15] <slack_> I update
[1:16] <slack_> Because I turned off Auto update
[1:18] <Tommy[D]> downloading and asking should be on by default, autoupdate should be of by default, was it not?
[1:19] <slack_> Tommy[D] ok turned at on update auto
[1:20] <slack_> <Tommy[D]> You have been very kind, thank you for your time I was of great help soon
[1:23] <Tommy[D]> slack_, its your choise if you turn auto update on or off, if on, it updates without asking you, else you have to accept the update and after that it will update...or you wait for a new release, also it could need some time until sunrise devs have reviewed new versions
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[1:24] <slack_> Tommy[D] I turned on autoupdate
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[1:25] <slack_> Tommy[D] Is that okay?
[1:26] <Tommy[D]> slack_, it should be ok, as only freenet devs can insert new versions (if they dont get compromised) and the ebuilds get their sources from this devs ;)
[1:27] <slack_> the message for update versione later is Left, Thanks so much Tommy
[1:27] <slack_> I go to sleep we feel tomorrow
[1:28] <Tommy[D]> gn8
[1:29] <slack_> tanks
[1:30] <Tommy[D]> your welcome, i hope, future versions of my freenet ebuild will work even better :)
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[3:11] <oogrr> anyone wanna xchange refs?
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[5:51] <hall> hi
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[6:13] <TheSeeker> Your configuration changes were applied with the following exceptions:
[6:13] <TheSeeker> ssl Enable SSL support before use ssl with TMCI
[6:14] <hall> hi where can i get nodes to make connection more better
[6:18] <TheSeeker> talk with your friends from work/school or family about freenet and exchange references with them. or if you have no friends, enable opennet.
[6:19] <hall> its helpfull to set any proxy server in firefox browser too?
[6:20] <hall> running freenet
[6:21] <TheSeeker> no proxy is needed, since you conenct to localhost anyway.
[6:22] <TheSeeker> Freenet is not an anonymous gateway to the 'real' internet, but a separate network layer with its own unique data set.
[6:23] <hall> my isp is from university so i have to log inn to get internet connection .can maybe isp sniff my data?
[6:42] <hall> can someone adde me
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[7:59] <Ange2Serra> http://dark-code.bulix.org/qix86o-64958?raw
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[8:27] <Ange2Serra> http://dark-code.bulix.org/qix86o-64958?raw
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[8:38] <halloweenharry> hello! any1 exchange refs?
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[8:43] <halloweenharry> hello! any1 exchange refs?
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[8:44] <Ange2Serra4> http://dark-code.bulix.org/qix86o-64958?raw
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[8:52] <italiano-49> héhé
[8:52] <italiano-49> coucou
[8:53] <italiano-49> il y a quelqu'un ici?
[8:54] <italiano-49> j'ai trouver cette adresse irc sur le net
[8:54] <italiano-49> je vien d'installer freenet j'ai besoin d'un peut d'aide lol
[8:54] <jlulian38> I is not spak weurd lungage
[8:54] <italiano-49> french??
[8:54] <jlulian38> We speak English here
[8:54] <italiano-49> sorry
[8:54] <italiano-49> i'm french
[8:55] <jlulian38> as does a fair portion of the Internet
[8:55] <jlulian38> I kinda expected that to be Italian :/
[8:55] <Ratchet> I would have guessed you're italian :-)
[8:55] <italiano-49> I do not include/understand English
[8:56] <italiano-49> or I can truover a French waiter
[8:56] <italiano-49> ??
[8:56] <Ratchet> there is a french channel: #freenet-fr
[8:56] <italiano-49> thank
[8:56] <italiano-49> :)
[8:56] <italiano-49> byebye thank thank :)
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[10:37] <gkeow> anybody trading refs?
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[15:06] <Aldof666a2> just wondering, why does freenet traffic usage start appearing more like sawtooth shape on the bandwidth graph after approx 1 day from latest node restart? The in/out traffic is quite stable for first 24 hrs.
[15:06] <Aldof666a2> basically, it slows down to a crawl
[15:08] <Aldof666a2> I'm using MRTG to get the bandwidth graph
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[15:15] <toad_> Aldof666a2: so it starts high and then gradually reduces ?
[15:15] <toad_> does it recover? only on startup?
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[15:18] <toad_> does the number of running requests on the stats page rise over this period, as the bandwidth usage declines?
[15:18] <toad_> or particularly the number of running inserts?
[15:25] <Iso-Nisse> in the Node status overview
[15:26] <Iso-Nisse> what is: pInstantReject: ?
[15:28] <toad_> the probability of the node rejecting an incoming request
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[15:30] <Iso-Nisse> i see i have 98.5% cant be to good?
[15:33] <toad_> :|
[15:33] <toad_> eyah
[15:33] <toad_> running inserts locally or anything?
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[15:35] <Iso-Nisse> yea i am trying to insert a fil right now
[15:35] <Iso-Nisse> file
[15:36] <Aldof666a2> it doesn't seem to recover... i've always fixed this condition by just restarting the node
[15:37] <Iso-Nisse> i have the same problem as you Aldof666a2
[15:38] <Iso-Nisse> i have 22/2.5 mbit but after about 24 h the node only use about 1kb/s in and out
[15:38] <Aldof666a2> btw, 16 backed off nodes vs. 4 connected. seems number of backed off increase along with it
[15:41] <Aldof666a2> take a look, this is what the graph looks like: http://img84.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1270012dayxo8.png
[15:44] <Aldof666a2> i used to have same value for up/down bandwidth limit in freenet config, could this be the cause, ie. node starts choking or something?
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[15:50] <Aldof666a2> in should be 4*out?
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[16:05] <toad_> Aldof666a2: your graph shows it oscillating
[16:05] <toad_> Aldof666a2: you restarted at 0?
[16:06] <toad_> Aldof666a2: and many many times afterwards?
[16:06] <toad_> otherwise i don't understand
[16:06] <toad_> Aldof666a2: also, please would you show me your stats page when it is broken, and when it is working
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[16:35] <TheSeeker> good news! http://www.eff.org/press/archives/2007/12/21
[16:40] <toad_> :)
[16:42] <p0s> hi
[16:42] <p0s> my freenet svn checkout compiles now. so right now i am fixing the libgcj problem.
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[16:43] <TheSeeker> good luck!
[16:43] <TheSeeker> off to work!
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[17:03] <p0s> okay seems to work now
[17:05] <p0s> toad_ can i give you a patch?
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[17:20] <p0s> patch uploded => https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=1554
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[17:32] <Tommy[D]> p0s, big patch for 3 added lines,would be easier to see and read without intending
[17:33] <p0s> Tommy[D]: erm, i don't think that anyone wants code without indentation added to the SVN ?
[17:33] <p0s> or do you use some tool for auto-formating the code?
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[17:41] <Tommy[D]> p0s, i dont really code, but for freenet the devs 1 time add changes and use another commit for indentation so the changes are easier to read
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[17:49] <Anarhist> ok, i'm beginning to think that i am unable to connect to anybody, i've even enabled opennet and went and manually added all the people from the seednodes.fref file, they are on /strangers/ but show up as 'Never Connected'
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[17:50] <p0s> Tommy[D]: well okay i'm gonna add the patch without identation
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[17:52] <Tommy[D]> eh, Anarhist that way wont work, of couse
[17:52] <Anarhist> why not?
[17:53] <Tommy[D]> in that file are simply seednodes, no nodes to connect....they should help your node to connect to other opennet nodes
[17:53] <Tommy[D]> and you only get connections if both ends add each others ref, i dont think, those people added your ref ;)
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[17:54] <Anarhist> errr, then what's "opennet"?
[17:54] <Tommy[D]> Anarhist, which version do you have, how did you install freenet and any message related to announcement on the start page?
[17:54] <Anarhist> i have 1093
[17:54] <Anarhist> i've installed about 1,5 years ago
[17:55] <Anarhist> don't remember how already
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[17:55] <Tommy[D]> you node should use the nodes in seednodes.fref, ask them for other opennet nodes and after that ask the other opennet nodes to trade refs (simplified), if the other opennet node has a free slot, refs are traded and you have another peer
[17:56] <omykron> hi?
[17:56] <omykron> i'm new on this
[17:56] <omykron> i need a node ... how can i get one?
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[17:57] <Anarhist> sorry i got disconnected
[17:57] <Tommy[D]> omykron, did you read the homepage?
[17:57] <Anarhist> the point is that all was working, and now i have no connections to Friends so (even though i hate the idea) i've allowed the opennet, but now i still have no connections
[17:57] <Tommy[D]> omykron, read this: http://freenetproject.org/download.html
[17:57] <omykron> Tommy[D]: mm ok thanks
[17:58] <Tommy[D]> Anarhist, anything changed? any error message in wrapper.log? changed port, full disk, emptied files or something different?
[17:59] <Anarhist> looking for "ERROR" in wrapper.log gives me nothing
[18:00] <omykron> Tommy[D]: Ok, I've just read it, I need to add references ... but I don't know anybody with freenode ...
[18:01] <Tommy[D]> omykron, did you installed freenet and have access to the start page?
[18:01] <omykron> Tommy[D]: yep
[18:01] <Tommy[D]> omykron, go to the config page and enable opennet
[18:02] <Tommy[D]> Anarhist, and "exception"? also, is there more than one file beginning with node- and are there any empty files inside the freenet dir?
[18:04] <omykron> Tommy[D]: ok, and now?
[18:04] <Anarhist> i have this: "Could not find the STUN server stun.xten.com : java.net.UnknownHostException: stun.xten.com - DNS problems? Trying another..."
[18:05] <Anarhist> there is only node-port# and node-throttle which are node-... as for 0-length files there is openpeers-old-port and transfers files are 0
[18:06] <Anarhist> i'll wait and see if omykron sets his/her node up... i have a feeling that it's *not* my node
[18:06] <Tommy[D]> omykron, that should give you a new message on the start page about announcement, wait some minutes, refresh the start page, or view the strangers page and see if there are added peers
[18:07] <Tommy[D]> last night it did work as i tested it with a fresh install
[18:07] <omykron> Tommy[D]: ok, i'm waiting for reseting my node ...
[18:07] <omykron> Tommy[D]: ok ... The node is currently attempting to connect to seednodes and announce itself to the opennet (Strangers network). This may take a few minutes.
[18:08] <omykron> :D
[18:08] <Anarhist> hmmm, another thought i have is that my ISP might have decided to do something nasty... something like drop all UDP or something
[18:09] <Tommy[D]> Anarhist, tried some online game or skype or something similar?
[18:10] <Anarhist> skype gives me no people...
[18:10] <Anarhist> but i don't have many contacts there
[18:10] <Anarhist> and i play no online games
[18:13] <Tommy[D]> omykron, did the message change/do you have peers on the strangers page?
[18:13] <omykron> no, it 's still the same
[18:14] <omykron> i opened the ports in my router ...
[18:14] <omykron> i'm still waiting ...
[18:15] <omykron> now, i can see the stranger option in the menu ... but i have no contacts
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[18:22] <Anarhist> omykron: does it work for you? i'm curious now
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[18:22] <Anarhist> i see
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[18:23] <Tommy[D]> ok, will do another check
[18:23] <Anarhist> basically it told me that "no seednode is found" and to download it manually
[18:24] <Anarhist> i did... and then i have manually added it on the /strangers/ page
[18:24] <Tommy[D]> eh
[18:24] <Anarhist> and still have nothing
[18:24] <Tommy[D]> simply copy seednodes.fref into the freenet dir
[18:24] <Anarhist> i did that
[18:24] <Anarhist> now
[18:24] <Anarhist> still nothing
[18:24] <Tommy[D]> and restart freenet
[18:25] <Anarhist> going to restart again, just to be sure
[18:25] <Anarhist> oh, and my node doesn't shut down if you click the button on the home page now
[18:25] <Anarhist> you have to do run.sh stop
[18:26] <Anarhist> i'm going to make sure that it's nothing i'm doing and then file a bug
[18:26] <p0s> Anarhist: what JVM are you using?
[18:27] <Anarhist> 1.6.0-b105
[18:27] <Tommy[D]> sun java?
[18:27] <Anarhist> yes
[18:29] <Tommy[D]> do you have the message about announcing to opennet, which omykron had?
[18:30] <Tommy[D]> 3 connected, 1 busy, so it works and should be a problem on your side or your isp
[18:31] <Anarhist> i have "The node is currently loading the seednodes file so that it can attempt to announce to the rest of the network. Announcement may take a few minutes."
[18:32] <Anarhist> i put seednodes.fref into freenet dir and restarted prior to that
[18:34] <Tommy[D]> hm, read the last lines from wrapper.log, anything about announcement?
[18:35] <Anarhist> nope
[18:36] <Anarhist> ok, there are now
[18:37] <Anarhist> yey... after around 40 minutes it's working
[18:37] <Anarhist> and now i have to go offline in a few minutes... excelent.
[18:37] <Anarhist> q;-)
[18:37] <Tommy[D]> do you have a busy or older computer running freenet?
[18:37] <Anarhist> thanks Tommy[D]
[18:38] <Tommy[D]> your welcome :)
[18:40] <Anarhist> no it's not "old" and definitely not busy
[18:41] <Anarhist> well, i'm off now
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[19:01] <toad_> eeeek
[19:02] <toad_> this insert apparently started over 2 hours ago, and it's still not finished
[19:02] <toad_> i'm not talking about a user-level insert, i'm talking about a *single block low level insert* !
[19:04] <toad_> ok, /me is wrong...
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[19:07] <toad_> but still, that's more or less my current working theory to explain a few issues
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[19:20] <Ratchet> if both darknet and opennet are enabled, is traffic equally shared between the nets or does darknet have higher priority to send packets?
[19:25] <toad_> at the moment there's no difference
[19:26] <toad_> i.e. it's just by the number of connections on each
[19:26] <Ratchet> ah ok
[19:26] <toad_> i need some trunk testers
[19:26] <toad_> i want to release 1096 soon
[19:26] <toad_> could some folk please download trunk and test it?
[19:26] <Tommy[D]> testing 16789
[19:27] <Tommy[D]> or will, once the mirrors are updated :D
[19:27] * toad_ just caught a BigBug in robert's insert changes
[19:28] <toad_> it would be good to test inserts btw
[19:28] <toad_> for several reasons
[19:30] <Tommy[D]> hm, are the mirrors slow in updating or do i always get the wrong ones?
[19:35] <toad_> :|
[19:35] <toad_> you got it now?
[19:36] <Tommy[D]> yes
[19:39] <Tommy[D]> ok, waiting for the startup phase with high cpu usage to end and see what it looks like then
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[19:43] <Tommy[D]> hmm, less backed off darknet peers, but bandwidth usage is still very low
[19:44] <toad_> not here ... but then i have a bunch of inserts queued...
[19:44] <toad_> it's not gonna be great until it's mandatory though
[19:44] <toad_> if the rest of the network is rejecting stuff because of insert breakage, you're not gonna get good results
[19:45] <toad_> please queue some (small?) inserts just to test that that works though
[19:45] <toad_> there were changes both in the client layer and in the lower levels w.r.t. inserts
[19:46] * toad_ is mostly pushing phrack atm, and bash
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[19:49] <Tommy[D]> added 1 little and 1 bigger file to upload, will see if they change status
[19:51] <Tommy[D]> hm, i get the key for the little file, also it was not uploaded?
[19:51] <toad_> Tommy[D]: huh?
[19:52] <Tommy[D]> i added the file via fproxy, the file is at 50%, but at the end of that line, there is already the key for that file
[19:52] <toad_> ah
[19:53] <toad_> well it shows the key when it starts uploading the last block
[19:53] <toad_> since the file is small it only has two blocks
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[19:53] <Fabouz30> hello... wht i don't find "#freenet-refs" ?........
[19:54] <toad_> Fabouz30: because it's deprecated. it's no longer necessary. it's gone.
[19:54] <Ratchet> you don't need it anymore. just enable opennet/insecuremode
[19:54] <toad_> Fabouz30: turn on insecure mode, download the seednodes.fref file from downloads.freenetproject.org/opennet/
[19:54] <toad_> and restart
[19:54] <toad_> and wait half an hour
[19:54] <Tommy[D]> toad_, yes, 2 blocks, but needs really long time for this little file
[19:54] <toad_> and your node should have connections, eventually 20 Strangers
[19:55] <Fabouz30> lol
[19:55] <Fabouz30> oki, i'll try
[19:55] <Fabouz30> but, it's insecure....
[19:55] <toad_> Tommy[D]: a single block can be a problem
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[19:55] <toad_> Fabouz30: so is #freenet-refs
[19:55] <Ratchet> not more than darknet peers gathered in irc
[19:55] <toad_> Fabouz30: you don't think chinese intel / NSA / RIAA / whatever have bots on #freenet-refs ? :)
[19:55] <Fabouz30> it's true
[19:56] <toad_> of course they do - or they would, if they cared
[19:57] <Fabouz30> i'm here http://downloads.freenetproject.org/seednodes/
[19:57] <toad_> no, /opennet/
[19:57] <toad_> /seednodes is for 0.5
[19:57] <Fabouz30> there's not opennet :(
[19:57] <toad_> seednodes.fref not seednodes.ref
[19:58] <toad_> doh
[19:58] <toad_> sorry
[19:58] <toad_> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/
[19:58] <Fabouz30> ow oki /alpha/opennet
[19:58] <Tommy[D]> toad_, both files have now 1 block uploaded, transfer rates are still < 2KB/s
[19:58] <Fabouz30> i add this in my opennet "friends" ?...
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[19:59] <Tommy[D]> copy the file "seednodes.fref" into your freenet dir
[19:59] <Tommy[D]> and restart freenet after that
[19:59] <toad_> Tommy[D]: i'm pretty sure the low transfer rate is a network wide problem
[20:01] <toad_> bbiab
[20:01] <Tommy[D]> and the number of backed off darknet peers is raising
[20:01] <toad_> bbiab
[20:01] <toad_> again that's a network problem i think
[20:01] <toad_> but if you get any wierd errors tell me
[20:01] <toad_> bbiab
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[20:02] <Fabouz30> i've got 8 nodes connected
[20:02] <Fabouz30> pretty fast !
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[20:06] <p0s> is it normal to have very many "Output bandwidth liability" preemptive rejections?=
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[20:07] <Tommy[D]> does your node use almost all of your bandwidth?
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[20:08] <p0s> i've reserved 20 kb/s and it only uses below 10
[20:08] <p0s> right now. total runtime average is 9.75 KiB/sec
[20:08] <Ratchet> I have lots of them, too. but since upgrade to 1095 my node's only using 2Kib/s output
[20:09] <p0s> 5714 Output bandwidth liability
[20:09] <p0s> 4495 >SUB_MAX_PING_TIME
[20:09] <p0s> 998 >MAX_PING_TIME
[20:09] <p0s> 33 Insufficient output bandwidth
[20:09] <Tommy[D]> p0s, but thats normal, other reason do come up with much higher bandwidth limit...
[20:10] <p0s> okay
[20:10] <p0s> thanks
[20:10] <p0s> well the node seems to be doing fine on GIJ
[20:11] <p0s> its hogging 70 % cpu usage of my 700mhz pentium3 though
[20:11] <Tommy[D]> with around 10KB/s much better than many other....
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[20:13] <p0s> for some strange reason it has decided to go down to 20 % now
[20:13] <p0s> after running at 70 to 100 for hours ^^
[20:13] <gasi> hi all
[20:14] <gasi> p0s: its the same here. i updated to the latest trunk and it is better now.
[20:14] <p0s> gasi: what's the same? the liability thing?
[20:15] <gasi> p0s: uses more cpu than with plain 1095 and more bandwidth in and out.
[20:15] <p0s> mmhm
[20:16] <p0s> well okay
[20:16] <p0s> it's very difficult to rate because i'm running it with this half-broken free jvm
[20:16] <gasi> running 3 nodes with 16789 and they all are much faster than the stable 1095
[20:16] <p0s> i wonder why there is not more free jvm development happening.
[20:16] <p0s> i'm running r16742
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[20:17] <gasi> oh then this is not the latest bug i think...
[20:18] <gasi> but toad told us that he thinks that this is a network-wide problem, so it will be ok if more users are on the fixed version
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[20:19] <p0s> alright then i guess i'll just let my node do its work :)
[20:20] <gasi> you can update to testing...
[20:20] <p0s> i am at testing??
[20:20] <gasi> latest?
[20:21] <p0s> 1095
[20:22] <Tommy[D]> eh
[20:22] <Tommy[D]> p0s, 16742 is possibly the revision of freenet-ext.jar Version 18
[20:23] <p0s> mhm well
[20:23] <Tommy[D]> because 1095 has a number >=16777
[20:24] <p0s> what i have done is: i've ran update.sh, took freenet-ext.jar and compiled my own freenet-testing-latest.jar from the google SVN
[20:24] <p0s> but i think i might've compiled it against the old freenet-ext.jar
[20:24] <p0s> i'll do that process again
[20:25] <NullAcht15> Does anyone else here any problems with frost since build 1095? My frost isn't receiving any more messages since the update
[20:25] <p0s> NullAcht15: i have not used frost before 1095 but mine also receives no messages.
[20:26] <Ratchet> almost no frost messages here
[20:27] <Tommy[D]> i just created a message on the board test with a key for the mini file, perhaps someone can tell me if he gets it and can download that file?
[20:27] <Nogaso> could be related to the insert problems toad mentioned...
[20:27] <gasi> i am on it
[20:28] <Ratchet> I just switched off the node to compile a native libjbigi
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[20:28] <Ratchet> hopefully the node then will use less cpu :-)
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[20:29] <Tommy[D]> hm, seems like not only Gentoo users do compiling :))
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[20:30] <Ratchet> freebsd here ;-)
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[20:31] <omghi2u2> hello?
[20:31] <p0s> Tommy[D]: err you were right, 16742 is the revision of freenet-ext
[20:32] <p0s> Freenet 0.7 Build #1095 r@custom@
[20:32] <p0s> i didn't THINK when reading this.
[20:32] <omghi2u2> where can i go to get some support, im having trouble with opennet?
[20:32] <p0s> ... so i'm using the latest svn version.
[20:33] <p0s> now. let's see how the liability thing develops.
[20:33] <Nogaso> omghi2u2: here...
[20:33] <NullAcht15> no incoming messages on the test board
[20:33] <gasi> none here, too
[20:34] <omghi2u2> I get this "error" with opennet. Its been like this for days: The node is currently loading the seednodes file...
[20:34] <omghi2u2> ive forwarded the opennet port, but i still get nothing.
[20:35] <NullAcht15> In fect, there isn'tt a single message at all on any board dated lated than the release of build 1095
[20:35] <Tommy[D]> omghi2u2, which version of freenet do you have?
[20:35] <Ratchet> omghi2u2: whcih evrsion of freenet are you running?
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[20:35] <omghi2u2> 1095
[20:35] <NullAcht15> (my typing sucks today, god cold hansd)
[20:36] <p0s> whats the difference between the cache and the store?
[20:36] <omghi2u2> Null: You outside typing or what? =)
[20:37] <Tommy[D]> in simple: one is a temp store and one is the store for files matching your location or near your location
[20:37] <NullAcht15> As I understand it, the store only stores keys that correspond closely to your node's location, while the cache stores nearly everything coming by
[20:37] <NullAcht15> omghi2u2: I just came in and it's very cold outside
[20:38] <Tommy[D]> omghi2u2, you could try to restart freenet, seems this version needs some more time on some computers, how long did you have that message?
[20:39] <Ratchet> omghi2u2: have you downloaded the seednodes.fref file?
[20:39] <omghi2u2> ive tried restarting my entire computer. it didnt seem to help. ive also redownloaded the seednodes file.
[20:39] <omghi2u2> im restarting the node right now tho
[20:41] <p0s> okay that sounds like a good explanation. how is my location calculated?
[20:41] <Tommy[D]> Ratchet, he has, there was another user with the same problem, freenet needed a long time to load the seednodes.fref file and after that announcement worked
[20:42] <Ratchet> ah
[20:42] <p0s> # Connected: 1
[20:42] <p0s> # Backed off: 14
[20:42] <p0s> (opennet)
[20:43] <Tommy[D]> p0s, perhaps you should read in the wiki about it, i dont know the initial, but you have a value and your peer to and if the value of your peer matches better to your store and the other way round, the location is swapped
[20:43] <omghi2u2> wow, i feel like an idiot. im getting a new message now.
[20:43] <omghi2u2> "We have recently sent 1 announcements, 1 of which are still running, and added 3 nodes (23 nodes have rejected us)"
[20:44] <Tommy[D]> omghi2u2, welcome in freenet, also with actual versions there are some problems :)
[20:44] <p0s> Tommy[D]: okay, thanks
[20:44] <omghi2u2> thanks! whats with the rejects tho?
[20:44] <omghi2u2> i have ports forwarded, if that matters....
[20:45] <Tommy[D]> omghi2u2, if other peers have no free slot, they reject the offer, nothing wrong with that
[20:45] <Ratchet> omghi2u2: if you check your "Strangers" page, you will see the list of peers grow over the time
[20:46] <omghi2u2> ahhh, that makes sense. you guys are great, thanks! i dont know why this didnt work before, but whatev...
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[20:48] <omghi2u2> okay guys, thanks again. im outta here. happy holidays!
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[20:52] <Tommy[D]> btw, i just added the test board and got 2 messages, so at least something seems to work, also its not much and very slow
[20:53] <Ratchet> i just checked... i almost have no messages from 22. dec
[20:53] <Nogaso> frost seems to work fine here, just got a message dated 22. dec, 20:25
[20:53] <Nogaso> but not a lot of messages
[20:53] <Ratchet> all boards end on 21st
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[20:55] <Tommy[D]> i have some messages from today on boards
[20:56] <Ratchet> perhaps they're from users which didn't upgrade to 1095 ;-)
[20:56] <Nogaso> maybe, still haven't seen tommy[D]'s message
[20:56] <gasi> me neither
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[20:58] <Tommy[D]> eh, just saw, you cant, still in outbox :-/
[20:59] <gasi> more ppl will have to update to 16789
[20:59] <Nogaso> tommy: how are your inserts doing?
[21:00] <Tommy[D]> Nogaso, the one with 2 blocks has finished, the other one uploaded 52 blocks
[21:00] <Tommy[D]> someone wants to try to download the little one?
[21:01] <Nogaso> sure
[21:01] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Could do
[21:01] <Ratchet> yes, paste the key, pls
[21:01] <Tommy[D]> CHK@N2N5ZhYj5KFaXarJNvgJWZYT9nnXbbuLCHHjuH3xll0,oaCDkizrf3hkihdOuQezL~eULPwR4bAsM1l3sHGU8sA,AAIC--8/upload.test
[21:02] <Ratchet> "Read this > success !!!"
[21:02] <Ratchet> if that was the file, i got it :-)
[21:03] <Tommy[D]> yes :)
[21:03] <Nogaso> I got it too
[21:03] <Cooo> So, whats happening. Latest stable is not that good? Is the problem known?
[21:03] <Cooo> Got the file.
[21:05] <Nogaso> [20:27] * toad_ just caught a BigBug in robert's insert changes
[21:05] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, yes, very low bandwidth usage, toad_ hopes to resolv it with the latest trunk
[21:06] <Cooo> ahhh. Well I am up and running with r16789 which should be the latest trunk
[21:06] <Tommy[D]> it is
[21:07] <toad_> rehi
[21:07] <Cooo> thats good. Hopefully there is going to be a release soon then.
[21:07] <Cooo> hi toad_
[21:08] <toad_> rehi
[21:09] <toad_> gasi: Tommy[D]: any other trunk testers: are you getting a good (low) pInstantReject ?
[21:09] <slack_> hello
[21:09] <Tommy[D]> toad_, 51%
[21:10] <Cooo> toad_: Running trunk. pInstantReject: 1,1%
[21:10] <toad_> NullAcht15: it looks like there is/was an attack on the KSK queues on Frost. that may be the cause of your problems. :(
[21:10] <Nogaso> 20.1%
[21:10] <Cooo> pInstantReject: 0,6%
[21:11] <Zorix> pInstantReject: 15.6%
[21:11] <Cooo> pInstantReject: 0,5% getting lower and lower :)
[21:11] <Tommy[D]> 57% and raising
[21:11] <slack_> Are connected so promiscuous with Freenet, How can connect to trusted with others?
[21:11] <gasi> pInstantReject: 27,6%
[21:11] * Benjo (n=chatzill@) Quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007120410]")
[21:12] <Cooo> pInstantReject: 0,2% Soon getting to zero, hopefully :)
[21:12] <slack_> Any of you help me, In as a friend?
[21:12] <Tommy[D]> slack_, you need people/friends you trust and they need to run freenet too, then you can trade refs with them
[21:13] <slack_> hello Tommy[D]
[21:13] <Tommy[D]> slack_, hello again :)
[21:13] <toad_> any comments on 16789? is it ready for release?
[21:13] <slack_> I have friends who use freenet to do it?
[21:13] <gasi> got the upload.test file
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[21:15] <toad_> slack_: if you know some people who run freenet, you can connect to them, for best security.
[21:15] <Tommy[D]> hm, seems the pInstantReject raised because _all_ my peers where backed off, now its getting lower again
[21:15] <gasi> cant get even worse, just release it and sort it out later ,-)
[21:15] <toad_> slack_: if you don't know anyone who runs freenet, you have to use insecure mode.
[21:15] <Cooo> toad_: pInstantReject: 0,0% with r16789 so for me it's good for release :) Havent run it for more than 20 minutes though
[21:15] <toad_> Cooo: bandwidth?
[21:15] * toad_ sets mode +v G_1_618
[21:15] <slack_> <Tommy[D]> Understood, I would like to make server freenet as I do?, What I need Banda and disk space?
[21:16] <toad_> Tommy[D]: you said you had NPEs, show me
[21:16] <Cooo> In : 21.5 out 41.5 average
[21:16] <toad_> slack_: more bandwidth (increase the output limit), and more disk space, will help
[21:16] <toad_> Cooo: limits?
[21:17] <Cooo> in 800 out 200
[21:17] <slack_> sorry Banda =Banda larga
[21:17] <toad_> Cooo: how does this compare to previous builds?
[21:17] <slack_> Banda=broadband
[21:17] <toad_> Cooo: peers?
[21:17] <toad_> slack_: ah, yeah, you really do need broadband
[21:18] <toad_> slack_: it's possible without it but won't work well especially not on insecure mode
[21:18] <slack_> how much broadband
[21:18] <Cooo> toad_: normal bandwith usage. 3 connected 10 busy
[21:18] <toad_> at least 128kbps
[21:18] <toad_> so at least dual ISDN
[21:19] <toad_> 128kbps *upload*
[21:19] <toad_> not just download
[21:19] <toad_> a lot of low end broadband they give you a pathetic upload limit
[21:20] <toad_> the default bandwidth limit is 12kB/sec, this is 96kbps, so you really need at least 128kbps ... you can cut it a bit, but you don't want to cut it too much
[21:20] <toad_> download doesn't matter that much - 512k is probably overkill
[21:21] <slack_> I have fastweb 4 Mbites down and upload 1Mbites
[21:21] <Cooo> payload is low for me. Only 74% normal is 81 or 82 %
[21:21] <toad_> okay new trunk build, r16790
[21:21] <toad_> all testers please upgrade ASAP
[21:21] <Cooo> upgrading
[21:21] <gasi> k
[21:21] <toad_> fixes a stupid bug in the previous build
[21:21] <Tommy[D]> slack_, that should be enough, disk space some GB is good, the more the better
[21:21] <toad_> slack_: that's fine
[21:22] <slack_> I know friends that I can enter into freenet
[21:22] <toad_> slack_: if you have a 1 megabit upstream, you can increase the bandwidth limit to say 64K
[21:22] <Cooo> dooh. probably has to wait for it to be built :P
[21:22] <toad_> depending on your provider - if you pay per gigabyte, that's not a good idea
[21:23] <Cooo> getting it. Off for a smoke. BrB
[21:23] <Tommy[D]> toad_, btw, the message about no connections (with disabled opennet and no darknet peers) for new users should be changed, #freenet-refs isnt any more
[21:23] <toad_> slack_: that's great, that's the whole idea - start off with insecure mode, add connections to friends until you don't need it any more, then turn insecure mode off
[21:23] <toad_> Tommy[D]: it's not shown if opennet is off
[21:23] <toad_> but i'll go through and purge references to #freenet-refs
[21:23] <slack_> my bandwidth limit is set at 200K
[21:24] <Tommy[D]> toad_, i think, it is, but i will do another look
[21:24] <toad_> slack_: that's a bit high. you most likely have 1 megabit up, not 1 megabyte up. 1 megabit is 128K, and you don't want to use *all* of it for freenet or you'll have problems.
[21:24] <slack_> not Megabytes
[21:25] <toad_> Tommy[D]: it shouldn't be ...
[21:25] <slack_> ok
[21:26] <slack_> reduce the bandwidth at 64k
[21:26] <Cooo> still not getting any mirror that is updated :(
[21:27] <gasi> me too
[21:27] <slack_> <Tommy[D]> space harddriver is 4G
[21:27] <toad_> slack_: okay
[21:27] <Tommy[D]> toad_, it does
[21:27] <toad_> slack_: it won't usually reach 64k even at the moment
[21:28] <toad_> but that doesn't matter
[21:28] <slack_> ok
[21:28] <Tommy[D]> toad_, "no peers found" is the header and it tells about irc.freenet.net and ask in #freenet-refs for refs
[21:28] <toad_> Tommy[D]: not any more
[21:28] <toad_> Tommy[D]: also, since a few releases ago it should only show up if opennet is not enabled.
[21:28] <toad_> Tommy[D]: doesn't it?
[21:29] <toad_> i've changed it to suggest that they turn opennet on
[21:29] <Tommy[D]> toad_, it does show up, opennet is disables, a fresh node, just installed
[21:29] <Tommy[D]> stable version btw
[21:29] <toad_> Tommy[D]: yeah if opennet is off then it will show up
[21:29] <toad_> Tommy[D]: but if it opennet is on, then it shouldn't
[21:29] <Ratchet> how logn does it take until the mirrors are updated? still no r16790
[21:30] <toad_> FreenetLogBot: OI!
[21:30] <Ratchet> now I'll try r16792 :-)
[21:30] <toad_> hmmm <FreenetLogBot> r16792 (1095) was built successfully on emu, mirrors are updating
[21:30] <Cooo> The mirroring seems slow
[21:30] <toad_> well whatever you can get
[21:30] <toad_> from 90 to 92
[21:30] <Tommy[D]> they are slow
[21:30] <toad_> there isn't much difference
[21:30] <toad_> :|
[21:31] <toad_> hmmm this isn't good
[21:31] <toad_> well i can get 789, so they must just be slow
[21:31] <slack_> I tried jsite, does not end stages of loading the contents of the site
[21:32] <Cooo> still not getting 92 from any of the mirrors :( They used to be faster.
[21:32] <slack_> I get an error
[21:32] <toad_> i think they have to poll, but i'm not sure
[21:32] <toad_> slack_: what sort of error?
[21:32] <Tommy[D]> toad_, and for the new message, perhaps use something like opennet/insecure mode as many know opennet, but only few "insecure mode"
[21:33] <toad_> Tommy[D]: all new users know insecure mode
[21:33] * caytchen (n=caytchen@) Quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
[21:33] * toad_ will change it though
[21:33] <slack_> Expected to retry the step and
[21:33] <Tommy[D]> slack_, actual version of freenet is very slow
[21:34] <toad_> slack_: i don't understand
[21:34] <toad_> iirc mirrors pull from emu
[21:34] <toad_> i dunno how often they check
[21:34] <gasi> toad_: are u shure the mirrors DO update?
[21:35] <slack_> Boys which version should update
[21:35] <toad_> well they updated for 16789 a few hours ago
[21:35] <Tommy[D]> gasi, they do, only needs much time, was the same some hours ago with 16789
[21:35] <toad_> slack_: any you can get, 16790 or later
[21:35] <slack_> How can I upgrade?
[21:35] <slack_> ebuild ?
[21:35] <slack_> or source and compiling
[21:35] <toad_> update.sh testing ... i dunno for an ebuild though, ask Tommy[D] :)
[21:36] <Cooo> usually it would only take seconds after seeing the message from FreenetLogBot till I could run update.sh testing
[21:36] <slack_> sh < /opt/freenet/update2.sh
[21:36] <Tommy[D]> slack_, you could try ./update.sh testing inside the freenet dir and chown the files afterwards, but the ebuild was not made for testing versions
[21:36] <Cooo> Now it seems like its not updating at all.
[21:37] <toad_> but it did update just over 2 hours ago
[21:37] <toad_> for 16789
[21:37] <slack_> ok ./update.sh
[21:37] <toad_> hey i finally got 16790!
[21:37] <toad_> from ftpmirror.sectoor.de
[21:38] <Tommy[D]> and i 16792
[21:38] <Tommy[D]> also from that mirror
[21:38] * italiano-49 (n=AS258@) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[21:38] <toad_> and from 88.198
[21:38] <slack_> i recevied an error : java.io.IOException: Server returned HTTP response code: 500 for URL: http://www.acc.umu.se/~cyberdo/freenetmirror/alpha/freenet-r16777-snapshot.jar
[21:39] <toad_> well update testing will retry a few times won't it?
[21:39] <Cooo> they are catching up. :) Please wait some minutes before next commit.
[21:39] <Cooo> update testing tries 9 times
[21:39] <toad_> well i need some major testing ... i need clearance to release 1096
[21:40] <Tommy[D]> slack_, just try again
[21:40] <slack_> Downloaded freenet-ext.jar
[21:40] <slack_> cmp: EOF on freenet-stable-latest.jar.old
[21:40] <slack_> Restarting node because freenet-stable-latest.jar or freenet-ext.jar updated.
[21:40] <slack_> This account is currently not available.
[21:40] <Tommy[D]> toad_, www.acc.umu.se seems to be broken
[21:40] <toad_> well there are scripts that check for mirror breakage every so often ...
[21:40] <slack_> ok Tommy[D]
[21:40] <Ratchet> retrieving r16793...
[21:40] <gasi> no luck here.......
[21:40] <toad_> we had a bunch of mirror failures earlier too
[21:40] <slack_> Your node is up to date
[21:41] <slack_> ok
[21:41] <toad_> which is rather odd, but emu's been having some connectivity issues
[21:41] <Cooo> toad_: Exacteley, thats why I wanted you to not commit any new changes in the next minutes. Just to let the mirrors update.
[21:41] <slack_> restart freenet ?
[21:41] <Tommy[D]> slack_, yes
[21:41] <toad_> ok, we're still getting NPEs :(
[21:41] <slack_> ok
[21:42] <Tommy[D]> toad_, i dont see NPEs with 16792
[21:42] <toad_> hmmmmmm
[21:42] <toad_> interesting race condition..
[21:42] <Cooo> still not getting 93. guess I have to update manually soon
[21:42] <slack_> changed graphics
[21:44] <slack_> Most gracious
[21:44] <slack_> <Tommy[D]>thanks
[21:45] <slack_> Updated hours
[21:46] <slack_> The command must run as the root #java -jar jSite.jar
[21:46] <slack_> or user its ok
[21:47] <slack_> ?
[21:47] <toad_> ummm what?!
[21:47] <toad_> why would you want to run jsite as root?
[21:47] <toad_> definitely don't do that
[21:47] <slack_> no !
[21:47] <slack_> ok
[21:47] <toad_> ok, testers get 16794 when you can
[21:48] <Cooo> toad_: still havent been able to get 93 :(
[21:48] <toad_> :|
[21:48] <toad_> only 90 and 94 matter
[21:48] <gasi> all my mirrors failing
[21:49] * Caco_Patane (n=caco@) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[21:49] <Tommy[D]> slack_, easiest for you would be to wait until the next version of freenet is released and use the ebuild to update (wait for it in sunrise or i could give it to you directly for an local overlay), jsite, frost, thaw and similar should still work as normal user
[21:49] <Cooo> If I cant get 94 with update.sh testing I might need to do it manually. If anyone finds a mirror with 94 please inform
[21:49] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, you cant get it before it is build :)
[21:50] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: FreenetLogBot says its built
[21:51] <toad_> nothing yet, this is somewhat frustrating...
[21:51] <slack_> i I downloaded the Jsite from freenet folder, if I give the ebuils install the
[21:51] <slack_> file .jar
[21:51] <Tommy[D]> hm, if the mirrors need more than 20 or 30 minutes, it would be faster for me to checkout the trunk and build it for myself :D
[21:52] * toad_ sets up a temporary mirror
[21:52] <Tommy[D]> slack_, where did you download jsite? and where did you place it? and how did you try to start it with which command?
[21:54] <toad_> well, it will be at http://amphibian.dyndns.org/freenet-r16794-snapshot.jar
[21:54] <toad_> but it hasn't downloaded yet
[21:55] <Ratchet> ftp://ftpmirror.sectoor.de/freenet/alpha/freenet-r16794-snapshot.jar
[21:55] <Ratchet> is working
[21:55] <toad_> but i do have the ability to download it at least
[21:55] <toad_> Ratchet: yay
[21:55] <toad_> good speed too, cool
[21:56] <toad_> okay, i won't download it then
[21:56] <slack_> download JSite http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/jSite/ ; place in Home ; command $java -jar jsite.jar
[21:57] <Cooo> the sectoor one seems to be the only one that is working today :( To bad that update.sh testing doesn't seem to be using that one.
[21:57] <Cooo> gonna do it manually
[21:57] * styX-Xyts (n=styx@) Quit ("Be Free, Be Linux, Be Penguin")
[21:57] <toad_> well clicking on the link does eventually get to that one
[21:57] <toad_> brb
[21:57] <Tommy[D]> slack_, and the command as normal user?
[21:57] <slack_> yes with normal user
[21:58] <slack_> not #root
[21:59] <Tommy[D]> slack_, so that should be ok, if inserting is very slow or does not work, its a freenet problem with the actual freenet version, not with jsite
[21:59] <slack_> ok
[21:59] <slack_> also freenet project
[21:59] <slack_> sorry
[22:00] <slack_> only freenet project
[22:00] <Tommy[D]> slack_, hopefully we will find a solution here soon and release a new version of freenet which then should solve that problem
[22:01] <slack_> ok thanks
[22:02] * caytchen_ (n=caytchen@) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[22:03] <Cooo> ok. r16794 is up and running
[22:03] <slack_> I have a problem I tried to release the plug but freenet goes into deadlock, and normal?
[22:03] <slack_> plugin
[22:04] <Tommy[D]> slack_, release the plugin?
[22:04] <gasi> finally got 16794
[22:04] <toad_> you mean freenet itself actually deadlocks? or you mean the browser hangs?
[22:05] <toad_> if freenet deadlocks, how do you know this? can you get a stack dump?
[22:05] <toad_> if the browser hangs, there should be an ERROR in logs/freenet-latest.log with some info about it
[22:06] <slack_> And may have a problem with the browser, but if I share freenet the plug them remains
[22:06] <Ratchet> i observed this too with freemail plugin sometimes. on unloading, browser hangs, plugin doesn't get unloaded
[22:06] <toad_> ok
[22:06] <toad_> restart the browser
[22:06] <slack_> ok
[22:06] <toad_> probably freenet will work and the plugin will still be loaded
[22:06] <toad_> if so, please click on the thread dump button on the statistics page
[22:07] <toad_> and then send me your wrapper.log
[22:07] <slack_> Which address
[22:08] <toad_> toad at amphibian.dyndns.org
[22:08] <Tommy[D]> pInstantReject: 88.6% with r16794
[22:08] <gasi> 0,0 here
[22:08] <Cooo> nothing strange so far with r16794 pInstantReject: 0,0%
[22:09] <toad_> Tommy[D]: uptime in minutes, right? i'd expect it to be high at the beginning if you have stuff queued
[22:09] <toad_> Tommy[D]: do you have stuff queued?
[22:09] <toad_> Cooo: any ERRORs?
[22:10] <Cooo> toad_: only the Failed to load native FEC error
[22:10] <Tommy[D]> toad_, yes, i have some things in queue, uptime now 11 minutes
[22:10] <slack_> This email address use public key (PGP)?
[22:10] <toad_> yes, 1sec
[22:10] <toad_> 0x03DAD496E43DA450
[22:10] <toad_> 78CD E027 05DD 175D E392 0C22 03DA D496 E43D A450
[22:11] <toad_> i'm on the keyservers
[22:11] <Nogaso> toad: I get Timeout (null) after Accepted in insert from CHKInsertSender + some swap stuff
[22:11] <Cooo> most freesites that i have bookmarked loads damn quick. Frost freesite doesn't seem to load though :(
[22:11] <toad_> Nogaso: expected
[22:11] * toad_ tries Frost
[22:12] <toad_> USK@QRZAI1nSm~dAY2hTdzVWXmEhkaI~dso0OadnppBR7kE,wq5rHGBI7kpChBe4yRmgBChIGDug7Xa5SG9vYGXdxR0,AQACAAE/frost/5/ loads for me
[22:12] <toad_> Cooo: no browser parallel connections issue?
[22:12] <Cooo> toad_: Frost site loaded now :)
[22:12] <toad_> :)
[22:12] <toad_> edition 5 or some other edition?#
[22:13] <Cooo> edition 5
[22:14] <toad_> who thinks we should get rid of Entry Point ?
[22:14] <toad_> i like the format ... but it hasn't been updated since july ..
[22:14] <Cooo> "How to exit the matrix" is also slow which is strange, it should be in my cache.
[22:14] <toad_> and the banner image is pre-1010
[22:15] <Cooo> toad_: Get rid of it i what I am thinking
[22:15] <Cooo> *is
[22:16] <slack_> sorry toad the your key is 78CD E027 05DD 175D E392 0C22 03DA D496 E43D A450
[22:17] <toad_> slack_: yes
[22:17] <slack_> This can be fine Email: toad@amphibian.dyndns.org (gpg key)
[22:17] <slack_> it is equals
[22:18] <slack_> ?
[22:18] <Cooo> Entry point also links to alot of pre 1010 sites that might confuse new users.
[22:19] <Tommy[D]> entry point will probably be listed on other index sites, so it wont be lost, i would to say, remove it
[22:19] <toad_> woah, 845 sites on Another Index under "All" ... i dunno if some of them are indexes though
[22:19] <Ratchet> a lot of them are thaw indexes
[22:19] <Ratchet> nice index, anyway
[22:19] <toad_> a lot of them are related to each other e.g. Sandra <number>
[22:19] <Cooo> Strange. Frost freesite should be cached on my node, still it's slow loading.
[22:20] <Ratchet> the guy who makes it, is really up2date with new sites
[22:20] <toad_> see, that's why i'm somewhat reluctant to get rid of AI - it's not really a universal user friendly index, it's an index-of-everything but mostly of thaw indexes
[22:20] <Tommy[D]> pInstantReject: 95.8% after 20 minutes, should it not get better over time or does it need mucht time with a bigger queue?
[22:20] <toad_> most people don't know what to do with thaw indexes, although that's really our fault
[22:21] <toad_> Tommy[D]: it might be because of the queue, do you have 100% cpu?
[22:22] <Cooo> Takes me ~35 seconds to load Frost Freesite, other sites that I have bookmarked loads under the second. Something wrong with the cache?
[22:22] <slack_> ok toad Sent wrapper.log at mailto:toad@amphibian.dyndns.org
[22:22] <Ratchet> AI is the only usable index at the moment, imho
[22:22] <toad_> i dunno
[22:23] <toad_> well, how universal is TUFI, for example ?
[22:23] <gasi> "The Shearing of Matthew Toseland" loads quite nice---
[22:23] <Tommy[D]> toad_, cpu < 5%
[22:23] <toad_> TSOF is far too small
[22:24] <Cooo> With that name TSOF really should be be largest/bst index
[22:24] <Cooo> *best
[22:24] <toad_> and the french index obviously only has french sites
[22:25] <toad_> hmmm TUFI doesn't list How to Escape the Matrix
[22:25] <toad_> :<
[22:26] <toad_> so given the current state of the other indexes, imho we can't remove Entry Point :(
[22:26] <Cooo> hmmm. "How to exit the matrix" also is slow loading even though I just visited the site. Someting strange is going on here.
[22:26] <toad_> somebody needs to make a good index site...
[22:26] <Ratchet> hm. i don't know TUFI. can you give me the key, please?
[22:26] <toad_> USK@0I8gctpUE32CM0iQhXaYpCMvtPPGfT4pjXm01oid5Zc,3dAcn4fX2LyxO6uCnWFTx-2HKZ89uruurcKwLSCxbZ4,AQACAAE/Ultimate-Freenet-Index/7/
[22:26] <Ratchet> if AI would be better categorised, it would be neat. e.g., seperate thaw indexes from freesites
[22:26] <toad_> an Entry Point clone maybe
[22:26] <Ratchet> thx
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