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[0:30] <toad_> indre1: swapping refs with total strangers messes up the topology, and is centralised and insecure
[0:30] <toad_> indre1: opennet on the other hand gives a correct topology, and is less centralised... and comparably insecure
[0:31] <toad_> against some attacks maybe it's better to swap refs manually with strangers - but it only works if the strangers aren't the NSA
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[0:44] <indre1> Freenet is currently running in insecure mode. It is easy for anyone, including attackers, to find out that you are running Freenet, and connect to your node. Please get some connections to people you trust and add them to the Friends page as soon as possible, you will be much less vulnerable. When you have added connections to at least 10 friends (adding people you don't know will not improve your security), turn off insecure mode and Freenet wi
[0:44] <indre1> ll become invisible to the outside world.
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[0:44] <indre1> So, when I turn on opennet it suggest me to find some refs on the boards (total strangers) and then turn opennet off again!
[0:48] <Tommy[D]> eh
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[0:48] <Tommy[D]> strangers are no friends, right?
[0:49] <Tommy[D]> (adding people you don't know will not improve your security) <<< read this part too
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[0:56] <indre1> I'll never find 10 friends that use Freenet in my country!
[0:57] <indre1> And even if I'd make 10 of my friends use Freenet, we would have a close circle and at least one would have to use opennet!
[0:58] <indre1> opennet needs UDP port also?
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[1:03] <jlulian38> This could be something completely legitimate, but it's creeping me out
[1:03] <jlulian38> This process "trackerd" keeps showing up
[1:03] <jlulian38> and it's linked to massive reads from my hard drive
[1:03] <indre1> Oh god this discrete math... No sleep tonight it seems! :(
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[1:05] <Tommy[D]> indre1, Opennet is nothing more than Darknet, only the connecting part is different
[1:06] <jlulian38> Ah nevermind
[1:06] <jlulian38> this trackerd thing is nothing I guess
[1:06] <Tommy[D]> trackerd thing?
[1:06] <jlulian38> It's some Ubuntu daemon
[1:06] <indre1> Yea, but this warning is silly... You can't make friends on Freenet probably, as all are anonymous and I can't find enough RL friends anyway... so the only choice is to use opennet
[1:07] <indre1> Making this warning that can't be removed very silly
[1:07] <Tommy[D]> indre1, it should say something like this:
[1:07] <jlulian38> By "friends" it means anyone you don't think is going to try and compromise your system
[1:07] <indre1> And frightens new freenet users
[1:07] <Tommy[D]> if you have good trusted friends in real life, ask them to use freenet too and they should do the same...this way darknet should work
[1:07] <indre1> but it wouldn't!
[1:08] <indre1> If I make 10 friends use Freenet, we all connect to each-other
[1:08] <indre1> then I only have 10 nodes to connect to!
[1:08] <Tommy[D]> and if everyone of them makes 10 friends use freenet?
[1:09] <Tommy[D]> and everyone of them....
[1:09] <jlulian38> and etc,etc,etc
[1:09] <indre1> yes, but maybe only 1 of those 100 friends makes a new connection
[1:09] <Tommy[D]> and 10 nodes is enough
[1:09] <indre1> out of the country for example
[1:09] <indre1> so we simply connect to each-other and get news from some other country only by one small line (about 5kB/s)
[1:10] <jlulian38> That's where caching comes into play
[1:10] <jlulian38> I wonder if the way I used Freenode is weird >.>
[1:11] <indre1> Ah, and in frost - any way to open some link directly in browser instead of copying to the end of 127.0.0.1:8888/*
[1:11] <jlulian38> I have one somewhat dedicated machine for Freenet* and then every computer I want to use Freenet stuff on I just connect to my one node
[1:12] <Tommy[D]> indre1, every node has a cache, so if 1 accesses some content from the outside, some nodes between the outside and him will save the content, so it will be in your local area (for some time)
[1:18] <Tommy[D]> indre1, you should ask the frost developer, if he implements something like this, the problem could be, how to know the ip and port freenet does listen on
[1:18] <Tommy[D]> jlulian38, whats the problem with that using?
[1:18] <indre1> simply write that manually in the frost conf :D I thought there was alrady a way to do that... :(
[1:19] <indre1> *was hoping rather
[1:20] <jlulian38> I dunno actually
[1:20] <jlulian38> it works fine
[1:20] <jlulian38> except when Frost is being a retard and not talking with my node
[1:22] <indre1> And one thing I don't understand on frost - how can this unique ID be generated so that no-one else can use exactly the same
[1:25] <Tommy[D]> jlulian38, frost does work, if your node runs on the same computer and has the fproxy port on 9481, else not
[1:26] <Tommy[D]> -fproxy + fcp
[1:26] <jlulian38> I can connect to Fproxy
[1:26] <jlulian38> but Frost is all broked
[1:26] <jlulian38> which is weird
[1:26] <jlulian38> because it worked yesterday
[1:26] <Tommy[D]> the same would be with opening a link in a browser, if its not default (the same pc and default port), it wont work
[1:26] <Tommy[D]> broked = ?
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[1:27] <jlulian38> It's just me being silly
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[1:27] <jlulian38> Frost refuses to connect my node
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[1:28] <Tommy[D]> of course, if your node is not running on the same computer
[1:29] <Tommy[D]> go to the config and change the ip (the same you use for fproxy)
[1:29] <Tommy[D]> how should frost else know about it? :)
[1:29] <jlulian38> It apparently lets you change it when you start Frost the first time
[1:29] <jlulian38> So I tell it
[1:30] <jlulian38> 192.168.0.3:9481
[1:30] <jlulian38> and tada
[1:30] <jlulian38> it fails to connect
[1:30] <Tommy[D]> you can open 192.168.0.3:8888 in your browser?
[1:30] <jlulian38> Harbl
[1:30] <jlulian38> I had the port wrong
[1:31] <jlulian38> 9841 instead of 9481
[1:31] <Tommy[D]> little things can do much harm :)
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[1:37] <indre1> I'm off, too much to study
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[3:35] <Albaj> Darknet http://dark-code.bulix.org/9edt1o-64825?raw
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[5:52] <realaero> j'
[5:52] <realaero> whoa, when did this happen?
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[6:57] <tessier> When did what happen?
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[7:16] <TheSeeker> I'm going to guess: "#freenet-refs is no more, turn on insecure mode if you don't have any friends using Freenet"
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[9:41] <TheSeeker> d'oh! the cluster size on the disk I have freenet on is 64K ... which means that persistent temp files take up 2x the space on disk as they do in data x_x
[9:42] <TheSeeker> I wonder how hard it would be to make persistent temp a DB instead of discreet files?
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[10:33] <pheenode> great
[10:33] <pheenode> now that I have the wrapper working
[10:33] <pheenode> my nodes are updating themselves
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[13:07] <nextgens> may some people grab http://emu.freenetproject.org/~nextgens/freenet-ext.jar and test it before I insert it into the auto-updater ?
[13:10] <freenet-user> What are the dangers of running the Windows Freenet service under local system as opposed to its own account?
[13:11] <nextgens> generally speaking the less privilege you grant to your applications, the best it is
[13:11] <nextgens> iirc we switched to a dedicated user because windows "administrators" can't kill a SYSTEM process
[13:12] <nextgens> and that was upsetting some
[13:12] <freenet-user> I see.
[13:12] * nextgens thinks that we shouldn't have done it
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[13:12] <freenet-user> Yeah, I like to have as few user accounts activated on my system as possible.
[13:13] <aca> i have no friends
[13:13] <nextgens> freenet's account doesn't have the privilege of network or interractive login
[13:13] <nextgens> aca> too bad.
[13:13] <aca> :(
[13:13] <freenet-user> I thought it was mainly to guard against possible vulnerabilities in Freenet.
[13:13] <aca> it makes me cry at night though
[13:13] <aca> nextgens: will you be my friend?
[13:14] <nextgens> freenet-user> well, as freenet is written in java it's immune to most "common" remotely exploitable problems
[13:15] <freenet-user> indeed.
[13:15] <aca> what kind of attacks can happen? if i run insecure
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[13:16] <freenet-user> Yeah, I was wondering about that. Why was #freenet-refs shut down?
[13:16] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> hi
[13:16] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> may you try the new freenet-ext (http://emu.freenetproject.org/~nextgens/freenet-ext.jar) before I deploy it please ?
[13:16] <nextgens> freenet-user> because it's useless now that opennet has been implemented
[13:16] <Zothar_Work> sure; what's changed?
[13:16] <aca> is freenet opensource
[13:17] <Zothar_Work> aca: yes
[13:17] <freenet-user> oh. Opennet is activated by using insecure mode?
[13:18] <Zothar_Work> freenet-user: yes
[13:18] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> the bdb provider has been updated
[13:18] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: OK
[13:18] <nextgens> http://www.oracle.com/technology/documentation/berkeley-db/je/changeLog.html
[13:18] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: will I be able to downgrade easily if needed?
[13:18] <nextgens> should fix some weird OOMs and various bugs people might have encountered
[13:19] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> yes, according to the changelog the on-disk format hasn't changed
[13:19] <Zothar_Work> ok, then I'll go ahead use it with a node I normally have running
[13:19] <nextgens> but of course it's without any warranty otherwise I would ask for testing ;)
[13:20] <nextgens> +n't
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[13:21] <nextgens> freenet-user> if you want to dig out and find which rights we could remove from freenet's user, be my guest :)
[13:21] <freenet-user> If I understand it correctly, Darknet will still work, but its purpose was undermined by trading references with strangers through #freenet-refs. Darknet will still work for people who want to trade refs with trusted peers though.
[13:22] <nextgens> atm we have:
[13:22] <nextgens> @bin\ntrights.exe -u freenet +r SeServiceLogonRight > NUL
[13:22] <nextgens> @bin\ntrights.exe -u freenet -r SeDenyServiceLogonRight > NUL
[13:22] <nextgens> @bin\ntrights.exe -u freenet +r SeIncreaseBasePriorityPrivilege > NUL
[13:22] <nextgens> @bin\ntrights.exe -u freenet +r SeDenyNetworkLogonRight > NUL
[13:22] <nextgens> @bin\ntrights.exe -u freenet +r SeDenyInteractiveLogonRight > NUL
[13:22] <nextgens> @bin\ntrights.exe -u freenet -r SeShutdownPrivilege > NUL
[13:22] <nextgens> that should prevent remote logins
[13:22] <nextgens> as well as local but interractive logins
[13:22] <Ratchet> freenet-user: exactly
[13:23] <freenet-user> nextgens: Yeah, that should work.
[13:23] <freenet-user> I can't think of any others that could be removed.
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[13:33] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: freenet-ext.jar #18 seems to work for me without any obvious issues for both of my nodes
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[14:16] <bbds> someone ref exchange? my node has problems connecting with insecure mode
[14:18] <bbds> http://dark-code.bulix.org/marthv-64932?raw
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[14:25] <greycat> Total Output: 290 MiB -- Payload Output: 105 MiB (36%) -- That seems inefficient to me. Can that be improved by tweaking settings?
[14:28] <grotter> bbds: you need download http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref into your Freenet direcory, then restart freenet.
[14:29] <bbds> thx
[14:30] <Zothar_Work> greycat: those settings are probably the "hardcoded" variety... ;)
[14:30] <Zothar_Work> where that should be "settings" in quotes
[14:31] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> it's likely to be a bandwidth-related setting problem
[14:32] <greycat> What's the 185 MiB of output that isn't payload?
[14:32] <nextgens> overhead ? :p
[14:35] <mYone_> greycat: no problem here with payload output: Payload Output: 3.09 GiB (50.5 KiB/sec)(80%)
[14:35] <mYone_> greycat: maybe you have a very low bandwith output limit?
[14:35] <greycat> 10 KiB/sec is much lower than your 50, yes.
[14:36] <nextgens> mYone_> usually low payload percentages indicate a congestionned link -> a too hight bw limit :)
[14:36] <nextgens> -t
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[14:36] <mYone_> yep ... with small bandwith the overhead part of the traffic is proportionally much bigger i guess....
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[14:37] <nextgens> mYone_> retransmissions can be a cause of low payload percentage as well
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[16:44] <Eol> ahh..just noticed -refs dead
[16:44] <Eol> damn .. needed some more also
[16:45] <Eol> 8 peers ain't going to cut it (as only 3 are perm)
[16:45] <Jflesch> Eol: nextgens answer would be "use opennet"
[16:46] <Eol> ja I know
[16:46] <Eol> which is funny
[16:46] <Eol> considering the answer for the last two years is openet is bad :)
[16:46] <nextgens> it's not
[16:46] <nextgens> and opennet isn't any better than it was two years ago
[16:47] <Eol> I like the darknet concept perosnally .. bummer refs died
[16:47] <nextgens> you didn't understand it if you hang around -ref and use it to get peers
[16:47] <Eol> lol
[16:48] <Eol> well the question is now if I go to opennet mode do I lose my current darknet refs and if not, does me running open and them dark have any impact on their security
[16:49] <nextgens> sure it has an impact
[16:49] <nextgens> and yes you can run your node in both modes
[16:49] <Eol> also is there a reason I can't turned turn TMCI off for some reason .. its back on every time I restart my node
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[16:53] <nextgens> TMCI can't be driven by the web interface anymore iirc
[16:54] <Eol> hmm..we might want to remove that option from the web interface config then
[16:54] <Eol> what is the freenet.ini line then to disable
[16:55] <nextgens> console.enabled=
[16:55] <Eol> =0 or blank?
[16:55] <nextgens> remove lines starting with console.
[16:55] <Eol> kk... danke
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[17:38] <makomk> @nextgens: in Freenet, every security hole is a remote code execution hole. (Well, not quite, but you'd be surprised.)
[17:40] <makomk> Actually, you probably wouldn't be, but still - advising people that it's okay to run it with more priviledge than necessary because it's a Java app and therefore safe isn't a good idea.
[17:40] <makomk> Last time I checked, a single XSS hole in the content filter was in theory enough to get remote code execution, though that may've been improved since.
[17:42] <nextgens> you got me wrong
[17:42] <nextgens> re-read irc logs :)
[17:42] <nextgens> btw, the XSS thingy would have lead to remote code execution but with the user's right
[17:42] <nextgens> not freenet user's!
[17:44] <makomk> Nope - get XSS, update the update URI, roll out a malicious update on the new URI, remote code execution as the Freenet user.
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[17:46] <nextgens> makomk> that's assuming the user is allowed to access the config toadlet on fproxy
[17:46] <nextgens> arguably we should prevent that setting from beeing updated using fproxy
[17:46] <nextgens> or at least ask for a confirmation
[17:46] <makomk> Yeah, but I think that under the default config 99% of all users run under out the box, the user is allowed access.
[17:48] <makomk> Also, asking for confirmation doesn't help - the XSS code can just parse the confirmation page, figure out the correct response, and send it back. I suppose a captcha might help, though there are probably ways around that too...
[17:50] <nextgens> disabling that setting would help
[17:50] <nextgens> and we can do that :p
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[17:53] <nextgens> still, I'm not convinced we should
[17:54] <nextgens> because if we do and we have to blow the auto-update key, we won't be able to provide instructions on how to "update" the new key
[17:54] <nextgens> but it's worth debating
[17:54] <nextgens> makomk> I suggest you raise a thread on @devl if it concerns you :)
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[18:12] <mYone> i need help: my pc crashed and after reboot freenet wont start anymore. wrapper.log shows a "Error in WrapperListener.start callback. java.lang.NullPointerException"
[18:15] <nextgens> and you don't have any additionnal detail below it ?
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[18:18] <mYone> nextgens: here's the excerpt from wrapper.log : http://dark-code.bulix.org/5hrh0l-64936
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[18:22] <nextgens> mYone> are you using trunk or stable ?
[18:22] <nextgens> which svn revision ?
[18:22] <mYone> nextgens: stable
[18:23] <mYone> nextgens: afaik #1093
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[18:25] <nextgens> mYone> may you paste me the result of "grep -i version peers-*" please ?
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[18:26] <nextgens> r16746 has a fix for it ... but before you update I'd like to know how bad your peer file is corrupted
[18:26] <mYone> nextgens: oh noez :/
[18:27] <nextgens> hmm ?
[18:27] <mYone> nextgens: those files seem to be destroyed ^^
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[18:28] <nextgens> I guess you'll have to restore them from backups
[18:28] <mYone> nextgens: they still have a filesize but they only contain "^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@" (thats what vim displays)
[18:29] <mYone> nextgens: guess who doesnt have backups ;)
[18:29] <nextgens> mYone> remount the partition read only and try a fsck
[18:29] <nextgens> do *not* touch the files in the meantime
[18:30] <mYone> yeah i'll try a xfs_check
[18:31] <mYone> but i dont have much hope ;)
[18:31] <nextgens> xfs is journalizing the metadatas but not the data afaic
[18:32] <mYone> i only had one darknet peer anyway... i'll check first which files are also affected
[18:34] <mYone> destroyed files: node-throttle.dat , openpeers*, peers* ... seems to be all.
[18:34] <mYone> can i just delete them? whats node-throttle.dat?
[18:36] <nextgens> that's probably the only one you can get rid of
[18:36] <nextgens> if you loose peer* you loose your links
[18:37] <mYone> i know, but i only had one darknet peer
[18:37] <nextgens> if you still have node* you won't need to swap refs both ways
[18:37] <mYone> and yes, node* is still in tact
[18:39] <mYone> peers* : includes darknet peers openpeers*: includes opennet peers (which dont matter if they are lost, i can reannounce via seedonedes.fref) ... right?
[18:39] <nextgens> yes
[18:40] <mYone> ok , great... so i can get rid of all those files ? i still have no idea what node-throttle.dat is for?
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[18:47] <mYone> ok, i removed the files in question and now the node is running again. Announcement via seednodes.fref works fine btw ;) (first time testing it)
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[19:05] <hdt21> hey
[19:05] <toad_> hi
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[19:07] <hdt21> http://dark-code.bulix.org/7njyir-63764?raw
[19:07] <greycat> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/OpenNet
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[19:09] <toad_> hdt21: #freenet-refs is no more
[19:09] <hdt21> ok, why?
[19:09] <Zorix> hey toad
[19:09] <toad_> hdt21: it's not necessary any more
[19:10] <Ratchet> toad_: you should re-opne #freenet-refs, set +m, give a bot voice and let him give the url to a page with opennet infos ;-)
[19:10] <Zorix> how are things with freenet lately its been a while for me
[19:11] <toad_> hdt21: download the seednodes, turn insecure mode (opennet) on, restart your node
[19:11] <Zorix> so open net works now.. can a node have connections to both trusted friends and open?
[19:12] <toad_> yep
[19:12] <toad_> that's the idea
[19:12] <Zorix> good deal
[19:12] <toad_> start off pure opennet, gradually add friends and eventually turn opennet off
[19:12] <Zorix> i see
[19:13] <Zorix> i think im going to reinstall my node
[19:13] <toad_> you don't have one atm?
[19:13] <NEOatNHNG> How do I include the freenet-ext.jar into SVN (in eclipse) without committing the .classpath on the next commit, so eclipse stops whining?
[19:13] <Zorix> i know you were connected to me at one point did you kill me off your list
[19:13] <Zorix> i did
[19:13] <Zorix> well i still do
[19:13] <toad_> NEOatNHNG: don't do that
[19:13] <Zorix> but i havent turned it on in a while
[19:13] <toad_> NEOatNHNG: just run ant
[19:13] <NEOatNHNG> ok
[19:13] <toad_> NEOatNHNG: the first time you run ant, it'll download freenet-ext.jar
[19:13] <toad_> it's on the svnignore, so it won't get committed
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[19:15] <Zorix> toad, how do i reinstall and import my settings?
[19:15] <greycat> cp /backup/copy/of/freenet.ini .
[19:16] <Zorix> what about my reference file that has my keys
[19:17] <greycat> if you mean your node's own reference, that looks to be node-<darknet-port> or opennet-<opennet-port>
[19:17] <Zorix> ok
[19:18] <Zorix> wow last time i used it was build 880
[19:18] <greycat> In that case, I'm not sure there's any merit in retaining your node's identity at all.
[19:18] <Zorix> it has changed?
[19:18] <greycat> Unless you had a bunch of co-conspirators involved in a darknet peer relationship.
[19:19] <Zorix> guess i will start over
[19:19] <Zorix> i like the new installer
[19:19] <Zorix> its nice
[19:19] <greycat> Your opennet reference (which you'll probably want to create) will have nothing in common with your darknet identity.
[19:20] <Zorix> ok so it has two references at once
[19:21] <greycat> yes
[19:21] <greycat> and two separate UDP ports
[19:21] <Zorix> interesting
[19:22] <Zorix> what is system error 1067
[19:23] <Zorix> nm works now
[19:23] <Scepticker> I'm looking for some info about binary blobs
[19:24] <Scepticker> If I fetch SSK@sitekey/sitename what will be inside the blob?
[19:24] <hdt21> wht shot seednodes bee
[19:26] <Scepticker> Does the blob include the whole site or only the first page?
[19:27] <Scepticker> anyone knows? or I should look at the source code?
[19:27] <toad_> Scepticker: it includes that page and everything needed to fetch it
[19:28] <Scepticker> does redirects gets included too?
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[19:28] <toad_> in many cases this will be a lot of the site because of containers
[19:28] <toad_> yeah like i said all that is needed to fetch the page
[19:29] <Scepticker> I mean external redirects
[19:29] <Scepticker> I request SSK@key/file1
[19:29] <toad_> ooooooh i have a working theory ... my load has gone completely crazxy, after i started doing badblocks on an encrypted LV...
[19:29] <toad_> (sorry off topic)
[19:29] <Scepticker> suppose SSK@key/file2 is not into the container but instead it points to another CHK@
[19:30] <Scepticker> does file2 gets included too?
[19:41] <Scepticker> oh found that :)
[19:41] <Scepticker> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/BinaryBlobs
[19:42] <Scepticker> that link is kinda hidden :P
[19:42] <Scepticker> if I get it right, what I'd like to do is already reported as bug #111
[19:43] <Scepticker> which is still open
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[21:08] <jlulian38> I've just realized a possible flaw in the global darknet concept
[21:08] <jlulian38> How do we deal with hikikomori?
[21:09] <jlulian38> (People that never leave their homes)
[21:12] <mYone> jlulian38: if they dont have any friends they can still use opennet
[21:13] <jlulian38> It's not gonna get removed anytime soon either?
[21:13] <jlulian38> I probably fall under "hikikomori"
[21:13] <mYone> huh? removed? what?
[21:14] <Ratchet> jlulian38: nodes are supposed to be up 24 hours a day
[21:15] <jlulian38> Mine is up 23 hours a day
[21:15] <jlulian38> on average
[21:15] <Ratchet> why should the presence of the user at home affect the security of the net?
[21:16] <Ratchet> or do you speak of the uptime of the node?
[21:16] <mYone> Ratchet: i think he was referring to people who dont have any 'social life' (who stay at home all the time)
[21:16] <jlulian38> Yes :/
[21:16] <mYone> Ratchet: They of course have no use for darknet because they dont have any friends
[21:16] <jlulian38> Hence, people like me
[21:16] <Ratchet> aaah, people like me ;-)
[21:17] <mYone> jlulian38: yes, but thats no problem, because as i already said, you can still use opennet
[21:17] <Ratchet> and you get to know people in freenet
[21:17] <jlulian38> I have some reasonably well trustable internet duds too
[21:17] <Ratchet> as i did. we exchanged darknet refs after while
[21:17] <mYone> yep, thats another alternative, make friends online ;) but thats quite difficult and possibly a security risk ^^
[21:18] <jlulian38> Which I think is the real definition of "friend"
[21:18] <Ratchet> mYone: sometimes you just can tell ;-)
[21:18] <jlulian38> Someone you hope won't compromise your node or reveal information about you
[21:19] <Ratchet> I have a small darknet node shared only with a few RL friend nodes. 6 nodes alltogether
[21:19] <Ratchet> mainly for testing purposes. the others don't use freenet nodes in the global net
[21:20] <jlulian38> I suppose it make sense, but I'm surprised at the amount of philosophical-ish discussions going on on the boards
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[21:43] <vertex-9> I read "As of December 2007, trading darknet references with strangers on IRC has been deprecated."
[21:44] <vertex-9> then why are we gathered here?
[21:45] <jlulian38> for the lulz
[21:45] <toad_> you don't need to be
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[21:46] <toad_> just download the seednodes.fref file, turn on insecure mode, and the node should bootstrap itself from seednodes
[21:46] <nextgens> toad_> the installer should download it now
[21:46] <jlulian38> we gather here because we're bored
[21:46] <jlulian38> reallly, really bored
[21:46] <toad_> nextgens: yeah but most of these folk installed their node a while ago surely?
[21:48] <vertex-9> I'm looking for "and place the file in your node's directory" I did a search for nodes and don't have that directory. need better directions.
[21:48] <nextgens> :D
[21:50] <vertex-9> A search didn't find a "seednode*" ref and I'm at 1093
[21:51] <toad_> the directory you installed freenet to
[21:51] <mYone> vertex-9: download this file: http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref and put it in your freenet directory.
[21:51] <toad_> download from http://downloads.freenetproject.org/opennet/
[21:51] <mYone> ^^
[21:51] <mYone> ;)
[21:52] <toad_> your node's directory = the directory in which your node lives
[21:53] <nextgens> toad_> is there any command on TMCI to deal with binary blobs ?
[21:53] <toad_> not iirc
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[22:00] <vertex-9> thanks - I did all that and something happened. Not sure what yet.
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[23:16] <forsanth15> how come freenet refs closed?
[23:16] <weckle247> sry i didnt get that either ... how shall i get some refs now ?
[23:17] <NEOatNHNG> forsanth15, opennet is now fully functional
[23:17] <weckle247> what do i need do switch at my node ?
[23:17] <NEOatNHNG> so the node will get refs all by himself
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[23:18] <forsanth15> isnt that less secure than adding peers myself?
[23:18] <iuhyuioh> thanks mate
[23:18] <NEOatNHNG> go to the config page and enable opennet (sometimes called insecure or promiscuous mode)
[23:18] <weckle247> i just looked at the faq, didnt find some easy info
[23:18] <weckle247> ok i try
[23:19] <NEOatNHNG> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/OpenNet may also help
[23:19] <iuhyuioh> it seems like its taking forever for my page to reopen once i enabled promiscuous mode
[23:19] <weckle247> ok thx i bookmark it to read later
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[23:20] <weckle247> thanx @ NEOatNHNG ! thats the good info :-)
[23:21] <NEOatNHNG> iuhyuioh, if you work on firefox there might be some issue which prevents it to load more than a few tabs from the same server (in this case your node)
[23:22] <iuhyuioh> ahh. it looks like it is timing out :( ok ill try it on ie.
[23:26] <NEOatNHNG> iuhyuioh, you can go to "about:config" (with firefox) and change the value network.http.max-connections-per-server on that page to a higher level
[23:26] <forsanth15> how do u delete opennet peers which are no longer connected?
[23:27] <iuhyuioh> i have fasterfox and i configed it for speed. on IE i get cant find server :( i think i might need to restart
[23:27] <iuhyuioh> ill brb
[23:27] <NEOatNHNG> iuhyuioh, could be the case
[23:27] <iuhyuioh> ty for the help :)
[23:27] <NEOatNHNG> forsanth15, you cant
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[23:28] <forsanth15> ok
[23:28] <NEOatNHNG> the node will search for new ones and automatically delete the ones not connected
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