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[8:08] <jlulian38> Is there any reason that I can never get any files to load after like 5 hours?
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[8:09] <jlulian38> on Freenet
[8:09] <jlulian38> obviously >.>
[8:10] <jlulian38> I'm running in "promiscuous mode", but would that really make it completely impossible to get anything to load ever?
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[9:54] <hank> hi
[9:58] <hank> are there debian packages available somewhere?
[10:00] <nextgens> hi
[10:00] <nextgens> hank> no
[10:01] <nextgens> but freenet itself is contained in one directory and doesn't have any dependance appart from sun's jvm
[10:08] <hank> ok, thanks
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[13:09] <Parzof> what happened to freenet-refs?
[13:10] <greycat> Wow. I'm glad I *got* my opennet ref from there before it was "deprecated"!
[13:10] <greycat> Good thing I didn't delay.
[13:10] <greycat> (Much.)
[13:11] <Parzof> anyone wants to trade refs?
[13:15] <TheSeeker> opennet bootstrapping is now fully-automatic, so there's no need for #freenet-refs anomore...
[13:15] <greycat> You mean "fully automatic for new installs that download some bundled thingy"....
[13:15] <Parzof> i dont understand xP
[13:15] <greycat> Not for nodes that have been manually updated for a year.
[13:16] <Ratchet> greycat: you only have to download the seednodes.fref file and your set
[13:16] <TheSeeker> if you've manually updated for a year and have no refs already... there's something wrong with you :P
[13:16] <greycat> Oh, I had plenty of refs. And every single one of them except toad and Bombe lasted 24 hours or so, then sat in my "friends" list with stats like "last connected 34 weeks ago".
[13:16] <TheSeeker> even if you don't have the seednodes.ref, if you have at least a couple of darknet or opennet nodes the rest of the opennet slots will fill up automagically.
[13:17] <Ratchet> greycat: that's why you should use opennet if you don't have any trusted friends for darknet
[13:17] <greycat> I had to read the freenet.ini file, figure out what "opennet" was, manually edit it, learn that I had to forward a different port for it, and then grab a single opennet ref from a bot in #freenet-refs.
[13:18] <greycat> The freenet wiki doesn't seem to cover any of this at all.
[13:18] <TheSeeker> opennet enabling is on the config page (advanced mode I think)
[13:20] * greycat reads it, and finds this weird thing called "Assume the port is not forwarded." Hmm. That looks wrong.
[13:20] <TheSeeker> I'm pretty sure you can get bootstrapped through the darknet once you enable opennet, unless all of your peers have the 'Relay opennet noderefs through darknet peers?' option dissabled
[13:21] <greycat> So, if my opennet port is NATted and forwarded, I should set this to "false"?
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[13:22] * greycat tries.
[13:23] <Zothar_Work> Potassium1_bot: getbots
[13:23] <Zothar_Work> Potassium1_bot: version
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[13:24] <nextgens> greycat> as you contributed to the wiki I guess there is some doc now
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[13:25] <greycat> I contributed to "creating a freesite" though, not opennet stuff.
[13:25] <greycat> I don't think I understand opennet well enough to document it.
[13:25] <TheSeeker> suggestion: rename the option in the cofig page from 'Promiscuous mode' to 'Insecure mode' to match the warning on the main page.
[13:25] <mik76> anyone swaping refs? msg me pls
[13:25] <mik76> (darknet)
[13:26] <TheSeeker> sorry mik, never met you before ^_^
[13:26] <greycat> why bother? any darknet ref you get will just stop working when they take their node down 24 hours later
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[13:27] <TheSeeker> I wonder what ever happened to that ubernode project?
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[13:28] <mik76> hm.. what happend to "frenet-refs" channel ?
[13:28] <greycat> #freenet-refs 1 This channel is deprecated now that "opennet" has been implemented
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[13:29] <greycat> I think you need *!n=FreenetR@*
[13:29] <TheSeeker> With new development in opennet bootstrapping, it was removed since #freenet-refs is even less secure than the seednodes bootstrapping...
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[13:29] <mik76> ok, how can i swap refs now?
[13:30] <TheSeeker> it prompted people to make darknet connections with total strangers, which gives a very false sense of security.
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[13:30] <TheSeeker> mik76: enable opennet on your node (if you haven't already)
[13:30] <greycat> Enable opennet mode (on the "configuration" screen), and get 1 opennet ref from somewhwere. Note that opennet will use a different UDP port than darknet.
[13:30] <mik76> ok ,thx
[13:31] <TheSeeker> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref is a file you can place in your freenet dir to auto-bootstrap.
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[13:32] <mik76> is it enought just to place this file in Frennet dir, or should i "load" it somehow ?
[13:33] <mik76> (sorry i've never used opennet)
[13:34] <Parzof> how long does freenet take to go as fast as it can?
[13:36] <nextgens> mik76> you need to restart the node once the file has been copied
[13:36] <mik76> ok, thx
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[13:38] <Parzof> no answer to my question... :__(
[13:38] <greycat> maybe nobody knows. I sure don't.
[13:39] <Parzof> i dont either
[13:39] <nextgens> maybe there is no answer at all :)
[13:39] <mik76> one question more, why it says now: "Warning: Insecure Mode Enabled: Your node will connect to strangers" after im enabled Opennet? is it less secured than darknet ?
[13:40] <nextgens> Parzof> when will the earth stop to turn around the sun ?
[13:40] <greycat> It's less secure than a darknet with people you actually know and trust.
[13:40] <greycat> It's the same security as a darknet based on refs you got from strangers in IRC.
[13:40] <mik76> ah.. ok, thx
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[13:42] <mik76> ok, node restarted with enabled opennet - thanks again for helping me :)
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[13:47] <Parzof> so at the end, with all those new changes, freenet is not completely confidential, right?
[13:47] <TheSeeker> actually, it's probably more secure at the moment than people you got from IRC, since IRC was the easiest way to get conencted to many people if 'they' were around ...
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[13:53] <mario-germany> hallo http://dark-code.bulix.org/k9ym9k-64901?raw
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[13:56] <nextgens> okay
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[13:56] <mario-germany> I need Our
[13:57] <greycat> This should be a fun day.
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[14:10] <greycat> Edited http://wiki.freenetproject.org/OpenNet
[14:10] <greycat> And just spotted a typo. *sigh*
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[14:35] <Zothar_Work> I believe totally removing #freenet-refs was premature, but then perhaps I missed the discussion that preceeded the move; forwarding #freenet-refs to #freenet may have been a troubling target, so yeah, this might be a "fun day"
[14:35] <nextgens> would forwarding to #rtfm be any better ?
[14:36] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> we need to remove it before we release in any case... and that might help updating the various docs as users might report what lead them to end up here
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[14:40] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: worse; #freenet-chat maybe; depends on how long the transition pain lasts
[14:40] <SecretPolice> Hi there, I've been trying to get the new OpenNet friendly version of Freenet to bootstrap but it never connects to anything. Are the seednodes all down right now ?
[14:43] <SecretPolice> Also, when I install Freenet fresh on windows XP, why does it create a new user ?
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[14:50] <SecretPolice> any suggestions as to why OpenNet doesn't work for me ?
[14:50] <toad_> SecretPolice: hi
[14:50] <toad_> SecretPolice: what exactly happens?
[14:51] <SecretPolice> i get the 'node announcing' box, but it's takign a hell of a lot longer than a few minutes
[14:51] <toad_> and there's nothing on the Strangers page?
[14:51] <toad_> what build are you running?
[14:51] <SecretPolice> 1092
[14:51] <SecretPolice> nothing on the strangers page
[14:52] <toad_> post your wrapper.log to code.bulix.org and give me the url
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[14:52] <SecretPolice> I've been trying to get a clean install seeded up and running since you announced the seednodes a few days ago
[14:52] <toad_> wrapper.log may be interesting
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[14:55] <toad_> ok, this may be a problem on my end, 1sec...
[14:55] <toad_> lol
[14:56] <SecretPolice> how much log do you need ? apparently im a spammer according to bulix
[14:56] <toad_> oops
[14:56] <toad_> then post less of it
[14:57] <SecretPolice> wasn't that much. how about if i restart the node and just post that much ?
[14:59] <SecretPolice> dont know if this is somehow connected, but the node seems to take forever to shutdown even though it isn't connected to anything
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[15:01] <toad_> SecretPolice: sorry, 2min i fix
[15:01] <TiAMO> so why and who has the mindfuckup ?
[15:03] <SecretPolice> toad: as much as i could paste without labeled a spammer : http://code.bulix.org/2vt6mq-64903
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[15:04] <SecretPolice> it doesn't say anything on that log about trying to connect to anything
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[15:06] <SecretPolice> all the seednodes are listed as version 1088 with one as 1089. would that affect anything ?
[15:07] <toad_> SecretPolice: okay, please restart
[15:07] <toad_> SecretPolice: it should at least manage to connect to my seednode now
[15:08] <SecretPolice> restarting ...
[15:09] <SecretPolice> why wouldn't if have done so before ?
[15:09] <toad_> because of a bug on my end
[15:09] <SecretPolice> the other seednodes too ?
[15:10] <toad_> yeah
[15:11] <SecretPolice> once again, extremely slow to restart
[15:12] <toad_> yeah it does that :|
[15:12] <toad_> get a stack dump if you can
[15:12] <toad_> and email me it
[15:12] <SecretPolice> how do i do that ?
[15:13] <toad_> if the web interface is still up, there's a button on the statistics page
[15:13] <SecretPolice> i see thread dump and JE dump
[15:13] <toad_> thread dump
[15:14] <SecretPolice> not seeing any connection on strangers yet
[15:14] <toad_> has it restarted then?
[15:15] <toad_> what does the announcing alert say?
[15:15] <toad_> turn on advanced mode and it will say a bit more
[15:15] <toad_> brb
[15:15] <SecretPolice> advanced mode ?
[15:16] <toad_> on the config page
[15:16] <SecretPolice> 'We have recently sent 0 announcements, 0 of which are still running, and added 0 nodes (0 nodes have rejected us). We are currently connected to 0 seednodes and trying to connect to another 7.'
[15:21] <toad_> hmmm
[15:21] <toad_> still?
[15:22] <SecretPolice> shutting node down and trying again. checking it's not a weird firewall issue
[15:22] * toad_ will try installing a node here
[15:22] <SecretPolice> it did remain like that though
[15:26] <toad_> :|
[15:26] <toad_> well i'm gonna try to replicate the problem here
[15:27] <toad_> it immediately gets 2 connections
[15:28] <toad_> and quickly gets 7
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[15:32] <toad_> SecretPolice: it might be a firewall issue.
[15:39] <SecretPolice> tried partially shutting off the firewall (comodo) and that didn't help, now totally killing it and will try again
[15:39] * toad_ tries on another computer
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[15:42] <SecretPolice> would it be an issue with the seednodes not being able to connect to me ?
[15:42] <toad_> hmmmmm?
[15:43] <SecretPolice> how does seeding work. im just sending packets to them right ?
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[15:45] <toad_> pretty much and then they arrange connections to other nodes
[15:45] <SecretPolice> still nothing happening
[15:46] <SecretPolice> i have tried to configure the router to allow incomming connections on the ports, but that may not be set up right. would that affect the seeding process ?
[15:46] <toad_> maybe
[15:46] <toad_> seeding ought to just work with udp hole punching
[15:47] <toad_> but it depends on your router
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[15:47] <toad_> also if it's doing deep packet inspection it probably drops fragmented packets, which means it won't work
[15:47] <toad_> we're working on shrinking the packets so that it won't be a problem, but that isn't fixed yet
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[15:47] <SecretPolice> ahhhh ... i may have seen something about that
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[15:51] <SecretPolice> looks like it's triggering intrusion detection on my router
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[15:56] <toad_> ok, it works reasonably smoothly on my colo'd box
[15:57] <toad_> so there isn't a firewall issue on my end
[15:58] <SecretPolice> retrying with it disabled
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[16:07] <toad_> SecretPolice: any progress?
[16:08] <SecretPolice> not so far. restarting again
[16:11] <toad_> looks like it takes around 20 minutes to get 10 connections from announcement atm
[16:11] <SecretPolice> nothing still. i just dont get it
[16:11] <toad_> obviously this should be improved
[16:11] <toad_> i don't either :|
[16:12] <toad_> any ERROR messages in logs/freenet-latest.log ?
[16:12] <toad_> imho it's probably a firewall problem, in which case come back in a week and it may be fixed
[16:13] <SecretPolice> Warning: sending oversize auth packet of 1447 bytes!
[16:14] <SecretPolice> seeing a lot of those
[16:14] <toad_> yeah i know :|
[16:14] <toad_> anything else?
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[16:15] <toad_> nodeUptime: 20m24s
[16:15] <toad_> minus a few seconds
[16:15] <toad_> so 20 minutes in this case
[16:15] <SecretPolice> most erros are about the oversied packet, with a few complained about an ip6 address
[16:16] <toad_> ok
[16:16] <toad_> can you use ethereal or something to monitor packets coming in and going out?
[16:16] <toad_> if so, are there incoming packets? are any of them big?
[16:16] <SecretPolice> im on XP, now idea how to monitor packets without serious headaches on this thing
[16:17] <SecretPolice> now=no
[16:17] <toad_> ok
[16:17] <toad_> well come back in a week is my advice
[16:17] <toad_> it's probably a problem with the oversize packets, we should have that sorted soon
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[16:19] <nextgens> rehi
[16:19] <toad_> rehi nextgens
[16:19] <toad_> it's currently taking about 20 minutes to bootstrap a node from nothing
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[16:20] <nextgens> that's poor performances isn't it ?
[16:20] <toad_> yeah
[16:20] <nextgens> considering that the network/announcement isn't attacked yet
[16:20] <toad_> also quite a few people are getting firewall issues with the big packets
[16:20] <toad_> it's better than 0.5 though iirc
[16:21] <nextgens> when is the next mandatory build expiring ?
[16:21] <toad_> tomorrow
[16:21] <nextgens> expiring/expirating ?
[16:21] <nextgens> okay
[16:21] <toad_> but 1091 is already mandatory
[16:21] <toad_> so we can take out the location etc
[16:21] <toad_> i've done that, will test soon
[16:28] * nextgens guesses that last commit means we will have a mandatory soon
[16:28] <SecretPolice> still no joy, but while i think of it, the Upnp plugin doesnt seem to work. it just says 'The plugin has been disabled; Do you have more than one UP&P IGD on your LAN ?'
[16:31] <toad_> well you might very well have more than one
[16:31] <SecretPolice> unlikely
[16:32] * nextgens is almost sure that there is no bug in that area of the code
[16:32] <SecretPolice> my bitorrent client as no problems setting up upnp
[16:32] <nextgens> we use a 3rd party library to provide up&p discovery
[16:32] <nextgens> SecretPolice> our plugin isn't able to deal with more than one igd, that's all
[16:33] <SecretPolice> what counts as an IGD ?
[16:33] <nextgens> an igd :p
[16:33] <nextgens> (standing for internet gateway device)
[16:34] <SecretPolice> i know but if it sees more than one then what could it be, because i know everthing connected to this network and cant think of any other IGDs
[16:35] <toad_> nextgens: yes we need to release 1093 soonish and make it mandatory
[16:36] <toad_> i need to review robert's changes first
[16:36] <nextgens> yetanothermandatory because of opennet :(
[16:36] <toad_> :|
[16:36] <nextgens> the worst beeing that it breaks up to connection setup
[16:37] <toad_> is it really such a problem?
[16:37] <nextgens> meaning that even uom won't work!
[16:37] <toad_> well...
[16:37] <toad_> not for seednodes
[16:37] <toad_> for everything else ... well taking out location they won't like
[16:37] <toad_> and taking out testnet
[16:38] <toad_> otoh the two-refs-in-one-packet thing is back compatible
[16:38] <toad_> we can parse refs with either form
[16:38] <toad_> err JFK(4)'s in either form
[16:40] <toad_> bbiab
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[16:46] <toad_> nextgens: fixed UOM, hopefully
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[16:48] <nextgens> toad_> well, release a self-mandatory then ;)
[16:50] <SecretPolice> ok, here's an odd thing. im looking at the 'connectivity' page and some of the nodes are registering received packets
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[16:51] <nextgens> some of the nodes ?
[16:52] <nextgens> I thought you said your node doesn't manage to connect announcement nodes ?
[16:52] <SecretPolice> it doesnt say its connected
[16:52] <SecretPolice> but they are shown on the connectivity page
[16:53] <SecretPolice> every once in a while im receiving a packet from 2 seednodes
[16:54] <SecretPolice> ok even stranger im seeing incomming packets received on connections that have a 'online to first receive' of 0
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[17:16] <toad_> rehi
[17:16] <Ricky_08> hi @ll
[17:16] <toad_> hi
[17:16] <Ricky_08> freenet-ref dead?
[17:16] <Ricky_08> hi toad!
[17:17] <toad_> yes, your node should bootstrap itself automatically once you download the seednodes.fref file
[17:17] <Ricky_08> great to see your project growing - but seednodes is for opennet (I was away for a while ...) is opennet now the common?
[17:18] <toad_> yes
[17:18] <toad_> opennet works, you should use it if you don't have lots of friends already using freenet to connect to
[17:18] <Ricky_08> ... cause I was able to set up a node here with about 20 GB store (awaiting more HDDs) and a 250kByte/s upsream (not kBit but kByte :-)
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[17:19] <Ricky_08> ok, so darknets are now real darknets *g*
[17:20] <Ricky_08> @toad btw: I used the installer without giu for linux and it dod not automatically download the seednodes.fref - you should add a description somewhere
[17:21] <SuperPigs> ricky_08 if you want to be really anonymous. dont add any people to your friends list but activate \strangers mode\ and dont put in your ip in ipoverride
[17:21] <toad_> Ricky_08: hmmm it did for me
[17:21] <toad_> SuperPigs: ummm "really anonymous" ?
[17:21] <toad_> SuperPigs: that's just opennet, it's not very interesting
[17:22] <Aldof666a2> isn't mix of both dynamic opennet nodes and fixed number of darknet peers safest possible combination?
[17:22] <Aldof666a2> somehow it just feels best option
[17:23] <Ricky_08> SuperPigs -k anonymous not a matter ... cause if the isp want's to know, he knows it :-)
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[17:23] <toad_> nah, the safest option is to only connect to your friends - people you know and ideally trust - because then you can't be harvested
[17:24] <SuperPigs> ricky 08 isps dont have time to decrypt alot of data
[17:24] <toad_> but your ISP can probably figure out you're running a node even then, with traffic flow analysis (moderately expensive, some false positives)
[17:24] <Aldof666a2> but if you don't trust them any more than opennet peers, maybe then?
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[17:25] <SuperPigs> toad you can do traffic analysis and man in the middle attacks. but it really makes no sense on a large scale unless you are very important to them for some reason
[17:25] <toad_> MITM is hard
[17:25] <toad_> if you exchange your noderef with people you know out of band / over pre-established encryption, then it's impossible
[17:26] <Aldof666a2> in tor there used to be security problem with all three nodes picked in random, because there is a slight possibility they all could be controlled by one and the same party
[17:26] <Ricky_08> trust is alway the matter - and a lot of unwanted content is at freenet atm. did the project for content filtering for a node work?
[17:26] <toad_> Aldof666a2: that's probably still true
[17:27] <anon04> content filtering on freenet? are you mad?
[17:27] <Ricky_08> ... undwanted by myself ...
[17:27] <Aldof666a2> then they introduced entry-guard picked from a small static list which should help against repeating attacks
[17:27] <toad_> :)
[17:27] <Idion> who wants to swap?
[17:28] <toad_> Ricky_08: there are a number of excellent reasons why it won't work. the main one is you'd have to either download all the suspect content yourself, or trust somebody else to do it, to figure out whether it is in fact bad content.
[17:28] <toad_> Idion: use opennet
[17:28] <toad_> Idion: download seednodes.fref, turn on opennet, it should Just Work in half an hour or so
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[17:29] <Ricky_08> there are several topics I wan't to filter out of my node - and I have some of the keys - e.g. I wan't to filter illegal content, so my node does not store any keys for it - ist there any working solution
[17:29] <Aldof666a2> by what criteria would a computer program distinguish unwanted content?
[17:29] <Idion> I prefer the darknet... even with unknown peers
[17:29] <Aldof666a2> that's just not possible
[17:29] <Ricky_08> Aldof666a2: by sitekeys e.g.
[17:30] <toad_> Ricky_08: trivial attack: I create a site called The Great Big Terrorist Index, and link to everything I want you to censor
[17:30] <Aldof666a2> just create another site with a new key?
[17:30] <toad_> Ricky_08: suddenly you block all the scientology stuff i wanted you to block
[17:30] <toad_> Ricky_08: to make it work you'd have to download the content and check it
[17:31] <toad_> Ricky_08: which would propagate it in the process, and thus defeat the whole purpose
[17:31] <toad_> Ricky_08: the only way it could possibly work is if the police provided a list of illegal files and you blocked them being a good law abiding citizen
[17:31] <toad_> because the police are trustworthy (except when they're not...)
[17:32] <Aldof666a2> if you change some bits in the file and upload it again, isn't it completely different file then from freenet's perspective?
[17:32] <toad_> yep
[17:33] <Aldof666a2> thought as much
[17:33] <Ricky_08> ok, this is an argument, but in normal social networks, you are able to drop partners which provide content you don't want. Will there be a possibility to implement this in the future?
[17:33] <toad_> Ricky_08: not on freenet
[17:33] <Aldof666a2> i think only if it's direct P2P
[17:33] <anon04> Ricky_08: you need to read the faq and disclaimer
[17:34] <Ricky_08> toad_: ok :-( so I provide unwanted content even, if I don't want to do so :-(
[17:34] <toad_> Ricky_08: Hereticnet might provide something like that, but it wouldn't work on freenet as you'd have to know what your peers were uploading
[17:34] <toad_> which you don't
[17:34] <toad_> Ricky_08: legally it's probably not a problem in most places, since you have no knowledge of any specific illegal content in your store, and since there are noninfringing uses
[17:34] <Aldof666a2> unfortunately, yes. that's the tradeoff
[17:34] <Ricky_08> anon04: k
[17:35] <anon04> http://freenetproject.org/whatis.html
[17:35] <Aldof666a2> if only there weren't tradeoff between certain things, many things wouldbe possible ;)
[17:36] <Ricky_08> ok, I'll have to accept this. I know freenet from 0.5 and there were always attempts, to block some content ... perhaps the future will rbing a good idea :-)
[17:36] <anon04> like what
[17:36] <toad_> grep my flog for hereticnet
[17:36] <Ricky_08> toad_: what's about the "realtime" channels thought of a while ago for chat etc?
[17:37] <toad_> Ricky_08: won't happen until 0.8
[17:37] <toad_> maybe in 0.8
[17:37] <toad_> in 0.7 we will have ULPRs, which are a sort of lightweight passive request; this should significantly cut cost and latency on stuff like Frost
[17:37] <Ricky_08> k :-) I'll keep waiting, and if my old harddrive keeps alive, I'll keep my node up and running for the community
[17:38] <toad_> in 0.8 we may have full passive requests, which would make streaming feasible, and *maybe* real time chat
[17:38] <toad_> well probably not realtime chat, but we'll have other mechanisms that might help with that
[17:38] <Ricky_08> toad_: cool! this will be a major improvement!
[17:38] <toad_> ULPRs will be nice yeah
[17:39] <Ricky_08> toad_: a loast question: is there a java client (lib) for fcp available with the basic command like get, put, getkey, ....?
[17:40] <Ricky_08> ^last
[17:40] <toad_> there are several libraries
[17:41] <Ricky_08> toad_: I did not find (freenet is not a good expression for google) any urls?
[17:41] <greycat> the wiki page "FreenetDevTools" shows libs in python, ruby and perl
[17:42] <Ricky_08> toad_: cause I'm a java coder and I want to add some applications :-)
[17:42] <toad_> :)
[17:42] <toad_> well, there are some libraries, many of them aren't that good
[17:42] <toad_> several apps have rolled their own
[17:42] <toad_> i dunno, look for them
[17:43] <Ricky_08> greycat: py, ruby and perl do not help - they have ideas, but I don't want to recode the fcp interface at all :-)
[17:43] <toad_> check in /trunk/apps/ in SVN for a start
[17:43] <toad_> FCP is easy
[17:43] <toad_> well apart from Direct Disk Access which isn't
[17:43] <greycat> FCP v2 is much more of a black box than FCP (v1) was.
[17:44] <Ricky_08> toad_: fcp is easy, but I hoped for someting already done :-) direct disk access is not relevant to me :-) fcp v2 os a bit tricky to implement with buffer handling for binary contents
[17:45] <toad_> FCPv1 is a lot harder, you have to deal with metadata yourself
[17:45] <Ricky_08> I hoped for a done fcp message handler - cause I don't want to reinvent the whell
[17:45] <Ricky_08> ^wheel
[17:45] <toad_> I dunno
[17:45] <toad_> i think there was one
[17:45] <toad_> look in the SVN repository under apps
[17:45] <greycat> FCPv1 allowed me to see the "manifest" and so on, though. FCPv2 hides all that from me.
[17:45] <Ricky_08> toad_: I'll have a look at it :-)
[17:46] <greycat> I really have no idea how to debug an insert-gone-wrong with FCPv2, since I have no idea how to get at the lower-level data.
[17:47] <toad_> if the insert broke then it's the node's fault and you have to debug the node
[17:47] <Ricky_08> greycat: there are errorcodes to descibe it
[17:47] <toad_> why is that so hard to understand ?
[17:47] <Zothar_Work> greycat: right; instead of debugging each and every FCP client, only the node has to be debugged
[17:47] <toad_> and yeah it will give you a failure code if it's some cause other than a bug
[17:47] <greycat> toad_: In that case, please tell the node that <a href="subdir/"> should work.
[17:47] <toad_> greycat: i don't understand
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[17:48] <greycat> toad_: because currently, if you PUTSSKDIR: a file like that, the resulting hyperlink is completely broken. You get a mysterious "not in archive" error when you try to click it.
[17:48] <toad_> okay, so file a bug
[17:49] <toad_> i'm trying to understand robert's changes to CHKInsertSender atm
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[17:50] <Ricky_08> I leave: 24h kick ....
[17:50] <Ricky_08> thx for ur help - and cu soon
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[17:53] <Scepticker> I have a little question too
[17:54] <Scepticker> about binary blobs
[17:54] <Scepticker> if I wish to reinsert content
[17:54] <Scepticker> it is enough to fetch with BinaryBlob=true and then insert again the same binary data with BinaryBlob=true ?
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[17:55] <Scepticker> I get that I don't have to specify a key for inserting with that option
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[17:55] <Scepticker> will the resulting key be the same I fetched earlier?
[17:56] <jlulian38> Is running in "Insecure Mode" and being somewhat transient with your nodes really terrible enough for performance that nothing will ever load?
[17:57] * Scepticker wonders if this is the right channel to ask about fcp features
[17:57] <TheSeeker> jlulian38: where did you get that idea?
[17:58] <jlulian38> Becuase nothing will ever load :/
[17:58] <Zothar_Work> Scepticker: it's the best channel for such questions , yes; those with the answer just may be busy elsewhere or something
[17:58] <jlulian38> I started one of the bookmarks like 8 hours ago when I went to sleep
[17:58] <jlulian38> still loading
[17:58] <TheSeeker> jlulian38: how many connected nodes do you have?
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[17:59] <jlulian38> 5
[17:59] <jlulian38> This sounds kinda bad though
[17:59] <jlulian38> pInstantReject: 100.0%
[17:59] <TheSeeker> you're running opennet, have been up for 8 hours, and only have 5 nodes connected? do you have your ports forwarded?
[18:00] <TheSeeker> what's the reject reason?
[18:00] <jlulian38> Oh that's a possibility isn't it
[18:00] <jlulian38> what ports should I open :S
[18:01] <TheSeeker> look on your firends or strangers page.
[18:01] <TheSeeker> you want to forward the FNP ports
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[18:02] <jlulian38> this keeps showing up everywhere too :/ java.lang.NullPointerException
[18:03] <jlulian38> I'm using the Ubuntu Java JVM, other than that I can't think of anything that might cause it than weird cases :/
[18:03] <TheSeeker> sun java?
[18:04] <TheSeeker> or other java?
[18:04] <jlulian38> other java
[18:05] <TheSeeker> that's probably your problem.
[18:06] <greycat> I had no idea Ubuntu had their own Java VM.
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[18:07] <jlulian38> It could just be a different version though :/
[18:07] <jlulian38> like version number or something
[18:07] <greycat> What does "java -version" say?
[18:07] <TheSeeker> http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/newss/6380/1/ ?
[18:08] <jlulian38> java version "1.5.0"
[18:08] <jlulian38> gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.2.1 (Ubuntu 4.2.1-5ubuntu5)
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[18:10] <greycat> bugs.freenetproject.org keeps puking
[18:10] <greycat> "The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading." in firefix.
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[18:12] <jlulian38> OH SHNIZAP
[18:12] <jlulian38> something loaded
[18:13] <TheSeeker> I was not aware that gcj was at all supported... I remember some people trying to get binary versions of freent copiled with it, but haven't heard any progress on that front in a long time. I'm surprised it executes at all. :P
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[18:17] <jlulian38> Well, it's not what I'd call "speedy"
[18:17] <jlulian38> but it works
[18:17] <greycat> if you're getting NPE errors all over the place, I wouldn't trust it much
[18:18] <jlulian38> I updated to a different JVM on the ubuntu repistory
[18:18] <jlulian38> and it does seem to be working now :/
[18:19] <greycat> freenet has always pushed Java to its limits, and the non-Sun/IBM implementations often fall short
[18:19] <jlulian38> Oh that's brilliant :/
[18:19] <greycat> Kaffe was able to run freenet 0.4 for a while though
[18:19] <jlulian38> I think it's trying to use my other network
[18:19] <greycat> or was it 0.5 where they introduced the non-blocking I/O code...?
[18:19] <jlulian38> like my private one :/
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[18:22] <toad_> jlulian38: show me the NPE. post it on code.bulix.org. i'm curious.
[18:23] <jlulian38> They showed up a lot, but the most common one seems to be connected to Peers disconnecting
[18:24] <jlulian38> http://code.bulix.org/z6bslo-64910
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[18:30] <CyborgSNT> am I the only one getting "System error 1067 has occurred. The process terminated unexpectedly." after the latest update?
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[18:39] <toad_> CyborgSNT: that's a generic error, post your wrapper.log to code.bulix.org
[18:40] <loktar-nilf> Hi everyone. Is it normal when I try to go to #freenet-refs I end up here ?
[18:40] <toad_> yes, #freenet-refs is deprecated
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[18:40] <greycat> See http://wiki.freenetproject.org/OpenNet
[18:41] <loktar-nilf> Many thanks. I go for some readings then ;-)
[18:44] <loktar-nilf> well I already read this, but I am interested in swaping references for Darknet as mention here ( http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetConnections ) Is it still acurate ?
[18:45] <toad_> no
[18:45] <toad_> if you don't know anyone already running freenet then you should use opennet
[18:47] <loktar-nilf> I thought IRC was a place for knowing such users ;-) Anyway thank you
[18:48] <CyborgSNT> thanks toad_ for the help... for some vague unknown reason it starts without any problems now
[18:50] <toad_> loktar-nilf: well sure, if you actually *know* them
[18:50] <toad_> if you have some casual acquaintance, as opposed to going to irc to find somebody to exchange noderefs with
[18:50] <toad_> e.g. i connect to all the devs, translators, and generally anyone who's actively helped development of freenet
[18:51] <toad_> i've never met most of them, but i know them
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[18:51] <jlulian38> Hurf durf
[18:51] <jlulian38> SEVERE: Resource not found in jar file: /i18n/langres_us.properties
[18:51] <jlulian38> Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit
[18:51] <jlulian38> :(
[18:52] <Aldof666a2> i get that same error but it doesn't seem to be too SEVERE after all
[18:53] <loktar-nilf> toad: got it. I got confused with the documentation saying "On IRC, you may find others willing to give you their references."
[18:54] <loktar-nilf> and all the ads for #freenet-refs
[18:54] <toad_> loktar-nilf: on the wiki?
[18:54] <toad_> loktar-nilf: anywhere else than http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetConnections ?
[18:55] <toad_> can somebody please update http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FirstTimersHandBook ? preferably the person who updated FreenetConnections while i was also updating it (i let it keep your change). thanks. :)
[18:56] <loktar-nilf> Yes well as long as http://wiki.freenetproject.org is *the* wiki. Even my IRC client is advertising for this channel
[18:56] * toad_ changes topic to 'http://freenetproject.org/download.html (1092 mandatory soon), please read that page before asking for help here. #freenet-refs is no more, turn on insecure mode if you don't have any friends using Freenet | http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | logs: http://emu.freenetproject.org/irc/ | Tor blocked due to spam (get an op to voice you) | #freenet-fr #freenet-se #freenet-es #freenet-it #freenet-de | paste at http://code.bulix.o'
[18:58] <Zothar_Work> I've just finished a little editing on the wiki; I've probably squashed all #freenet-refs references unless Google missed some
[18:59] <Zothar_Work> I've also removed references to the Refbot page and added a obsoletion notice on the Refbot page
[18:59] <Zothar_Work> I've also added a note to refbot.py that basically directs users to seednodes and opennet, then quits without doing any refbot-like activities
[19:00] * toad_ changes topic to 'http://freenetproject.org/download.html (1092 mandatory soon), please read before asking for help here. #freenet-refs is no more, turn on insecure mode if you don't have any friends using Freenet | http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions | logs: http://emu.freenetproject.org/irc/ | Tor blocked due to spam (get an op to voice you) | #freenet-fr #freenet-se #freenet-es #freenet-it #freenet-de | paste at http://code.bulix.org'
[19:00] * toad_ removes the link to the mini-howto until it can be updated
[19:04] <jlulian38> So how can I fix this problem?
[19:04] <jlulian38> http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/300581
[19:04] <jlulian38> eejqksfjwgoiejulkgoiefh;lkjfspg
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[19:04] <jlulian38> I hate myself sometimes >.>
[19:04] <jlulian38> While loading frost
[19:04] <jlulian38> SEVERE: Resource not found in jar file: /i18n/langres_us.properties
[19:04] <toad_> jlulian38: you need to install sun java from the looks of it
[19:05] <toad_> jlulian38: have you?
[19:05] <jlulian38> If sun-java6 on The Ubuntu Repositories is Java
[19:05] <jlulian38> then yes :/
[19:05] <loktar-nilf> So I won't have Darknet tonight :-( but at least I hope this helped ( From my part IRC message and the wiki are now updated )
[19:05] <NEOatNHNG> jlulian38, you prababla have to change the standard vm
[19:06] <toad_> jlulian38: hmmm
[19:06] <NEOatNHNG> jlulian38, sudo update-alternatives --config java
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[19:06] <jlulian38> Although maybe this system isn't running sun-java right now :/
[19:08] <jlulian38> Wooo
[19:09] <jlulian38> I wonder if I should go try and set-up one of my fileservers as a dedicated node, they way I cobbled things together right now seems a little silly
[19:13] <jlulian38> releases, even minor only 6 minutes apart? o_O
[19:13] <toad_> 1092 had been out for ages
[19:14] <jlulian38> Are we working on internet time where ages means 6 hours?
[19:14] <Zothar_Work> jlulian38: the number in parenthesis is the same for all commits until the next release changes it
[19:18] <toad_> 6 hours?
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[19:20] <jlulian38> That's like a LinuxWorld reference >.>
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[19:41] <jlulian38> Does Freenet generate a pretty much constant stream of traffic? It's making my switch freak out right now :/
[19:42] <greycat> *sigh* bugs.fp.o is just unusable. can bugs be submitted without using this web site?
[19:47] <NEOatNHNG> greycat, support@freenetproject.org
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[19:47] <nextgens> greycat> what's the problem ?
[19:47] <greycat> 80% of the time, whenever I click on anything in that page, I get "Connection was reset."
[19:48] <nextgens> it works fine here
[19:48] <JustAnotherGuy> who wants to trade refs?
[19:48] <nextgens> JustAnotherGuy> enable opennet
[19:49] <JustAnotherGuy> @nextgens I know that option, still do not want to use it. thanks.
[19:50] <Zothar_Work> JustAnotherGuy: then trade with people you know, which is likely not many here
[19:50] <nextgens> JustAnotherGuy> freenet isn't about creating aquintances
[19:50] <nextgens> JustAnotherGuy> and #freenet won't serve that purpose in any case
[19:50] <nextgens> it's off topic for #freenet, move on #freenet-chat
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[19:51] <Zothar_Work> "Freenet: Become Friends with anonymous people" just doesn't really work to well IMO
[19:51] <Zothar_Work> +o
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[20:03] <Aldof666a2> when's 1093 mandatory?
[20:04] <Ratchet> the announcement says friday
[20:04] <Aldof666a2> ok
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[20:08] <nextgens> sleon_> update your node please
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[20:25] <mYone_> was there some kind of bug in 1092 concerning not well connecting to other strangers anymore ? Because i have that issue at the moment with 1092 (only 6 open connections), but i see there's already 1093 out?
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[21:09] <KTNA___> Good evening (is it evening in your time zone ? Just kidding ;) )
[21:10] <KTNA___> I would like to exchange some references.
[21:10] <KTNA___> Anyone interested ?
[21:10] <Zothar_Work> KTNA___: turn on opennet
[21:11] <KTNA___> Zothar_Work, did it :)
[21:12] <KTNA___> Zothar_Work : Though manual ref exchange seems to allow for faster integration into the network. Am I mistaken ?
[21:13] <KTNA___> OKay Hadn't read the topic , fool that I am ...
[21:13] <KTNA___> No more freenet-refs ?
[21:14] <KTNA___> Two days ago, I discovered freenet-refs, and now, it is already dead...
[21:15] <toad_> rehi
[21:16] <jlulian38> Hmm
[21:16] <jlulian38> lots of insertions seem to like to stop at right about 87 percent
[21:17] <toad_> jlulian38: :(
[21:17] <toad_> jlulian38: any ERROR in logs/freenet-latest.log ?
[21:17] <toad_> does it help to restart the node?
[21:17] <jlulian38> Well it looks like actually it just gets incredibly slow at the end
[21:17] <jlulian38> I'll go check though
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[21:19] <jlulian38> It could be a problem with my network, because the latest error is java.io.IOException: Network is unreachable
[21:28] <jlulian38> Well I got the test image up but when you try to load it, it doesn't have any MIME-type associated with it
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[21:34] <toad_> jlulian38: how did you upload it?
[21:35] <jlulian38> With Frost
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[21:36] <jlulian38> CHK@cWMQYST2XLZWGGZ5mhK42QH0otSfXc2TWhQspXs6dgE,ktXFV4y3-B-ggdq-QmvXFJ49GZ-Zy4t9oc0YekXaiyw,AAIC--8/HOMNOMNOM.jpg
[21:36] <toad_> Frost doesn't set a mime type
[21:37] <jlulian38> Hurf durf, how do I then?
[21:37] <nextgens> don't use frost, that's all
[21:38] <toad_> use the Queue page, use Thaw, use any of the other FCP clients
[21:38] <jlulian38> I see
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[21:44] <EmmanuelKrank> anyone exchange refs?
[21:45] <jlulian38> Gah
[21:45] <EmmanuelKrank> ?
[21:45] <jlulian38> Thaw keeps deciding to disconnect from my node for no reason
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[21:49] <EmmanuelKrank> exchange refs anyone ??
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[21:52] <EmmanuelKrank> why is Freenet-refs gone??
[21:54] <indre1> cause they claim opennet is working perfectly
[21:54] <indre1> and there is no need for swapping refs anymore
[21:54] <indre1> unless they are your true friends (not random people)
[21:55] <EmmanuelKrank> ok thx
[21:55] <indre1> But... isn't it a bit more secure to swap darknet refs with random people, as choosing someone random to attack on opennet would be a lot easier than coming here and swapping refs with people?
[21:56] <EmmanuelKrank> I dont know
[21:56] <EmmanuelKrank> if opennet is working perfectly...
[21:57] <indre1> well yea, but it's a bit less secure...
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[21:57] <KTNA___> indre1 's remark also seems logical to me...
[21:58] <KTNA___> But then I'm no techie...
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[21:59] <jlulian38> I think the idea is that you can like bootstrap into the network
[21:59] <jlulian38> and then get refs afterwards
[22:00] <indre1> On the ref exchange boards?
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[22:01] <KTNA___> Is it really any safer than exchanging it on a channel ?
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[22:02] <indre1> I think the idea of opennet is great, but I'm afraid there might be some security issue in Freenet, as it's still in quite an early stage
[22:03] <indre1> And don't think many people have tried to get the system to it's knees
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[22:03] <indre1> But if they should start doing it, opennet might be a drawback?
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[22:04] <jlulian38> I tried to use Freenet before, but I was kind of put off by the fact that you HAD to go and find peers somewhere else
[22:04] <jlulian38> So for me opennet is a massive improvement
[22:05] <indre1> yep, that's right, now you can Freenet running out of the box
[22:05] <indre1> It's great when you're starting it for the first time
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[22:17] <Sunnny6> hello! I need refs....
[22:17] <indre1> Sunnny6: try using opennet instead, it should be working
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[22:58] <partyskank> is it ok to swap refs in here?
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