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[1:04] <robd> Hey guys!
[1:04] <robd> Anyone awake?
[1:08] <mYone> yep
[1:12] <robd> mYone: Have you done any coding with Freenet?
[1:13] <mYone> nope
[1:14] <robd> :(
[1:15] <robd> You wouldn't happen to know when Toad, Ian or any of the other guys are here would you?
[1:15] <Cooo> robd: toad and nextgens are probably present now.
[1:16] <Cooo> ooo.. Saw now that Toad has left the building. He will probably not be back until monday
[1:17] <Cooo> Nextgens might be around though
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[1:18] <robd> Cooo: oh well
[1:18] <robd> Cooo: Hey where can I read up on developing plugins?
[1:18] <robd> Cooo: Right now I'm just looking at the source from a few just trying to get an idea of the API
[1:19] <robd> Cooo: Is there *any* developer documentation besides just random comments?
[1:19] <Cooo> robd: You tried the wiki? Might be something useful there
[1:19] <robd> Cooo: I'll look again, but it was pretty sparse
[1:20] <robd> brb, phone
[1:21] <Cooo> robd: One thing you could do is to register to the devl mailing list and send a message there.
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[1:38] <Cooo> Good night everyone.
[1:38] <NEOatNHNG> gnight
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[2:10] <TheSeeker> 16586 sounds pretty serious. what does it mean in real terms of network impact?
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[2:46] <Tommy[D]> perhaps forever floating packets?
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[2:49] <TheSeeker> hmm, seems to have been in the announce code, so it might have been crippling opennet?
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[3:11] <Tommy[D]> i think, opennet announcement should work better once 1091 is mandatory, if i combine my informations right
[3:11] <Tommy[D]> in the sourcecode its only 1 added line, but that does not have to say something
[3:12] <Tommy[D]> for details you should probably ask toad_ on monday
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[6:43] <BabyItsColdOut> In my freenet.ini file is states 'node.opennet.enabled=true' but when I look at my ref on the friends page it show opennet set to false. Bug or inverse logic....
[6:55] <tessier> How's freenet doing these days?
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[9:52] <Cooo> tessier: I think it's doing fine.
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[9:53] <tessier> Cooo: Much content? Routing working? Datastore specialization working?
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[10:00] <nextgens> hi
[10:01] <nextgens> tessier> much better than .5, try it out :)
[10:01] <nextgens> specialization isn't so good
[10:02] <nextgens> routing either (probe requests have indicated that they are some routing problems remaining)
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[10:02] <nextgens> and in terms of content, well it's very subjective
[10:02] <tessier> In what way is it much better?
[10:03] <nextgens> the average latency is much better
[10:03] <nextgens> meaning that the user's experience has improved
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[10:04] <nextgens> that's probably a good indicator that routing has improved too
[10:04] <tessier> Anyone inserting large files successfully?
[10:05] <nextgens> the specialization problems are probably due to the "location shifting" most of us are experiencing
[10:06] <nextgens> tessier> define large :)
[10:06] <nextgens> they were problems with 4Gb files reported on last-stable
[10:06] <nextgens> they might have been fixed now
[10:06] <tessier> 4G is definitely large. I was thinking about ISO's specifically.
[10:06] <nextgens> <2G files is fine
[10:06] <tessier> If one can insert and retrieve an ISO I think that is pretty impressive.
[10:06] <tessier> Interesting
[10:07] <nextgens> provided you increase the default memory setting (128M) or dedicate your node to that insertion
[10:08] * nextgens and toad have inserted debian cd ISOs on the network
[10:08] <nextgens> 13CDs
[10:08] <nextgens> I dunno if they are still fetchable though
[10:12] <tessier> Probably not if nobody has been fetching them.
[10:13] * nextgens suggests you try out the new version and tell us about your first impressions
[10:13] <nextgens> are you still one of those running .5 ?
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[12:40] <sbc> If I have a bug for jSite where do I report it? Is David Roden around in here?
[12:46] <Jflesch> sbc: https://bugs.freenetproject.org/
[12:46] <Jflesch> when you fill in a bug report, it mails him
[12:48] <sbc> Jflesch: Thanks
[12:48] <Jflesch> sbc: you're welcome :)
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[16:37] <makomk> WTF? 20071216-163655: ** on_anymsg: nikk_n_bot: error It looks to me like you're talking too fast. I'll ignore you until you've stopped "babbling" for awhile.
[16:47] <Pichu0102> I think the refswap bots are supposed to do that if they detect someone spamming them with a lot of things they don't understand.
[17:07] <Tommy[D]> Jflesch, new version? thaw working and reconnecting again?
[17:10] <Jflesch> Tommy[D]: working yes, reconnecting, it depends of your node :p
[17:11] <Tommy[D]> Jflesch, dpends on the node? version or something else?
[17:14] <Jflesch> Tommy[D]: its speed to restart :)
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[20:53] <Cooo> ni nextgens
[20:54] <Cooo> *hi.
[21:03] <nextgens> hi Cooo
[21:03] <nextgens> I'm looking for some feedback regarding the downloads page
[21:03] <nextgens> http://freenetproject.org/download.html
[21:03] <nextgens> is it any better than the old one ?
[21:10] <Cooo> dont really remember how the old one looked :( Can tell you that I am seeing the page for Unix, and Linux which is right.
[21:11] <nextgens> you've got a cached version then
[21:14] <Cooo> Ooo. Reloading it.
[21:15] <Cooo> Looks good
[21:27] <Zothar> nextgens: I'm not seeing the download section now; Firebug says there's an error on line 23 of download.html: elem has no properties
[21:28] <Zothar> I see the "If you have a firewall" and then "After installing"
[21:45] <nextgens> Zothar> known issue
[21:45] <nextgens> I dunno how to fix it though :)
[21:46] <Zothar> OK; the client is Firefox 2.0.0.11 on Windows XP
[21:46] <nextgens> any help would be welcome
[21:52] <nextgens> Zothar> what about now ?
[21:52] <nextgens> Zothar> can you test it on IE too please ?
[21:52] * nextgens wonders what will be displayed to non-js aware browsers
[21:52] <Zothar> nextgens: OK, FF is back to the jnlp in the mac directory
[21:53] <nextgens> cool
[21:53] * Zothar disables JS using noscript and tests
[21:53] <nextgens> I bet that it hides everything
[21:53] <Zothar> it's broken with JS disabled in the same way that it was before your recent fix
[21:53] <nextgens> which is bad
[21:54] <nextgens> hmm
[21:54] <nextgens> ok
[21:54] <nextgens> what about with ie ?
[21:54] <nextgens> does the javascript works with it ?
[21:54] <Zothar> loading IE now
[21:54] <Zothar> IE appears to work
[21:55] <nextgens> cool
[21:56] <Zothar> for the non-JS, a pattern I've seen is for everything to be shown and then JS hides the appropriate parts
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[22:05] <loonysalmon> who's holdin all the kiddy porn?
[22:06] <Jflesch> nextgens: ^
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[22:07] <Jflesch> Bombe: ^ ; sleon ^
[22:07] <Zothar> Jflesch: what are you hilighting them for?
[22:07] <Jflesch> Zothar: look above
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[22:08] <Jflesch> thanks :)
[22:08] <Zothar> yes, are you suggestion; OK, nvm
[22:08] <Cooo> Good
[22:09] <Zothar> nextgens: I'm getting everything with JS and the JS error twice now
[22:09] * nextgens doesn't understand what's going on
[22:09] <nextgens> I HATE javascript
[22:10] <nextgens> and I've no way to try it without committing
[22:12] <Zothar> nextgens: shall I take a crack at it?
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[22:15] <nextgens> Zothar> yes please
[22:15] <nextgens> it's driving me nuts
[22:16] <Zothar> OK; I'll take a look at it locally and then commit if I think I've got something
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[22:17] <nextgens> the current code is doing everything but what it should do :<
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[22:40] <nextgens> Zothar> how are things going ? we need to fix that asap :/
[22:40] <Zothar> nextgens: I'm churning on it; I think I've got a fix in theory, now I'm trying it in practice
[22:40] <Zothar> current doesn't leave anybody dead in the water, just looks weird
[22:41] <nextgens> it does
[22:41] <nextgens> as it doesn't show installation instructions for the "current" os
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[22:58] <Zothar> OK, working locally; now to make the svn working copy do it that way
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[23:02] <waltert3> hi does anyone know how to re-configure the TMCI port in freenet.ini
[23:02] <waltert3> TIA
[23:03] <nextgens> Zothar> found it
[23:03] <nextgens> Zothar> unless your fix is better of course
[23:03] <Zothar> nextgens: my approach is probably cleaner, but I'll take a look at your diff
[23:03] <Tommy[D]> waltert3, reconfigure = ?
[23:05] <Zothar> nextgens: I'll commit mine and you can judge for yourself; I'm about done "porting" those changes to the SVN working copy
[23:06] <nextgens> the least javascript we have the better
[23:06] <waltert3> yeah default TMCI port is 2323 tommy. I was wondering if someone new the freenet.ini option to change it.
[23:07] <nextgens> console.port ?
[23:07] <Huntersan9x> not to sound rude, but grep 2323 freenet.ini and there it is?
[23:07] <waltert3> hmm
[23:08] <waltert3> funny can't find it in mine.. let me go back though to make sure.
[23:08] <Huntersan9x> hmm, maybe I'm the ass then, its not in mine either.
[23:08] <nextgens> it might not be in as it's the default value
[23:09] <nextgens> but you should see what the config. key is on http://127.0.0.1:8888/config/
[23:09] <nextgens> putting your mouse over the setting you want to change
[23:11] <waltert3> yeah
[23:12] <waltert3> it's not in there and I'm having probs changing it. I'll get it to work eventually though.
[23:12] * Zothar checks his changes as live
[23:13] <Zothar> ick; I screwed up something somewhere; one moment
[23:18] <Zothar> hmm, gotta figure out where the columns are coming from
[23:22] <nextgens> Zothar> no offence but I prefer my code :)
[23:22] <nextgens> it's shorter :p
[23:22] <Zothar> nextgens: mine doesn't result in odd toggles; as for the two column mess, I'm not yet sure what happened, but I'm checking
[23:23] <nextgens> Zothar> what do you mean odd toggles ?
[23:23] * nextgens didn't have any problem with his browser
[23:24] <Zothar> "toggleLayer" was named wrong in my opinion; toggling meant that you could see instructions for more than one browser
[23:24] <Zothar> and you had to assume you knew the state of things before you toggled; my approach doesn't have to "detect" the existing state or anything, it just sets it; I'm sure the two methods could be combined into one, but that's a separate issue
[23:27] <nextgens> same problem here
[23:31] <Zothar> I think I've found the cause of the column problem
[23:31] <Zothar> stray character making an opening <div> tag not a <div> tag, causing an extra </div>
[23:33] <nextgens> Zothar> imho we shouldn't show platform specific instructions if jws is detected
[23:33] <Zothar> There; much better
[23:34] <Zothar> OK, that's a simple change
[23:35] <nextgens> ok, it works
[23:38] <Zothar> and we test fine in my FF with JS disabled
[23:38] <nextgens> cool :)
[23:38] <Zothar> so is the site supposed to be HTML or XHTML? It seems we declare HTML transitional and then use a mix of HTML and XHTML
[23:38] <nextgens> it's a mix of many things :D
[23:39] <nextgens> imho it should be rewritten from scratch
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[23:48] <vod> hey So I used thaw to put a movie on freenet
[23:48] <vod> do I have to do anything else or can people find it?
[23:49] <vod> i see it listed in my own client in the movies index
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