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[0:02] <NEOatNHNG> toad_, how do I know it's your Identity? Have plenty of them in my identity files (you are searching in Open-or Darknet?)
[0:03] <toad_> darknet
[0:03] <toad_> i'd be interested in opennet too actually
[0:03] <toad_> if you find me
[0:03] <NEOatNHNG> ok, then I don't have you
[0:04] <NEOatNHNG> toad_, give me your Identity-string and I'll look for it
[0:05] <toad_> that's what changed :|
[0:07] <NEOatNHNG> toad_, ? You can now choose your identity? so identity=toad?
[0:08] <toad_> no
[0:08] <toad_> it changed randomly and broke all my peer connections
[0:09] <NEOatNHNG> toad_, ah its a bug not a feature
[0:10] <NEOatNHNG> toad_, so how am I supposed to determine wether I have you as an Opennet-peer? without anything to identify you?
[0:11] <toad_> my ip address?
[0:11] <NEOatNHNG> toad_, well you have a cloak, so I don't know it
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[0:41] <grumbel> Can a KSK 'link' to a USK or only to CHK?
[0:41] <toad_> can't link to a USK at the moment
[0:41] <toad_> we should make that possible, but if we do it'll be a permanent-redirect error, not a straight redirect
[0:41] <toad_> you get permanent-redirects e.g. when fetching a USK and it's been updated
[0:42] <toad_> it's a way of getting feedback back to the client on a permanent change of URI
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[2:35] <greycat|home> man, freenet's gotten all weird on me. "application/x-freenet-index"? "Thaw"?
[2:38] <grumbel> My speed problem from before was the browser running into the max-connection-per-server limit, increasing that number made things *much* smoother
[2:38] <Tommy[D]> greycat|home, ending frdx = thaw index file, yes
[2:39] <Tommy[D]> grumbel, yes, thats a known limitation while using firefox with freenet
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[2:42] <greycat|home> And the reason we needed to make stuff that's almost but not quite HTML, so that you can't see it in a web browser, is...?
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[2:44] <Tommy[D]> ?
[2:45] <Jflesch> greycat|home: it's not HTML, it's XML
[2:45] <Tommy[D]> that is an index for thaw, which you can add to thaw and than use to watch/download the content announced in this index
[2:46] <greycat|home> Yeah, I noticed that it isn't HTML. I just don't understand why people thought this was a good idea.
[2:46] <Jflesch> greycat|home: because it's not designed to be read by web browser at all ?
[2:46] <Jflesch> +s
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[8:53] <robd> Hey guys
[8:54] <robd> Is there any good documentation on writing plugins for Freenet?
[8:54] <robd> I was looking around on the wiki, but it looked REALLY sparse
[8:59] <robd> ...time to try the mailing lists
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[10:48] <hopeatikari> hi, my node says "There is no seednodes.fref file found, so the node will not be able to automatically bootstrap itself onto the opennet. Please add some nodes manually." how this can be fixed
[10:49] <Ratchet> download this file and put it in your freenet folder
[10:49] <Ratchet> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref
[10:52] <hopeatikari> thanks
[10:53] <hopeatikari> it bit odd, because i got earlier opennet connection, from no where, but them wont connect anymore
[10:54] <Ratchet> are you running the current version of the node (1090)?
[10:55] <hopeatikari> its 1090, but iam just restarter, so i dont see version
[10:55] <hopeatikari> Freenet 0.7 Build #1090 r16466M
[10:56] <Ratchet> perhaps they all switched off the node... try the seednodes.fref file.
[10:56] <Ratchet> i don't know if you have to restart the ndoe after placing it in the folder
[10:56] <hopeatikari> well, offcourse thats possible, but i got like 10 of them
[10:57] <hopeatikari> now its trying to opennet, havent yet informed error, so i think that done it
[10:57] <hopeatikari> yep got couple opennets, thanks
[10:58] <hopeatikari> now i must go to study for mondays exam
[10:58] <hopeatikari> byr
[10:58] <hopeatikari> bye
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[12:30] <tim> hi all, i'm trying to run thaw on debian/lenny ... it fails to start though: http://rafb.net/p/5u08WM38.html ... any idea what i am doing wrong?
[12:34] <toad_> looks like a classpath problem :|
[12:34] <toad_> how are you invoking it?
[12:35] <tim> toad_, java -jar Thaw/Thaw.jar ... java is /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun/bin/java
[12:35] <toad_> are there any other jars in the thaw directory ?
[12:36] <tim> toad_, no
[12:37] <tim> toad_, oh ... it seems to start, when running the .jar file from the Thaw directory ...
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[14:29] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all! I am about to re-route a few of our European servers, expect there to be a few splits as I move things around. Thank you for using freenode and have a great day!
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[14:33] -ChanServ- [#freenet] Welcome to the official Freenet support channel! Read the channel topic for more information!
[14:33] [freenode-connect VERSION]
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[15:13] <Jflesch> toad_: about the classpath problem : Thaw *must* be started with the command "java -jar Thaw.jar"
[15:13] <Jflesch> toad_: "java -jar Thaw/Thaw.jar" doesn't work
[15:13] <Jflesch> (because of some jar files extracted at runtime)
[15:13] <Joeh> j
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[15:34] <toad_> hmmmm
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[17:22] <wth> omg!!!
[17:22] <wth> hey admins
[17:22] <wth> i just saw, that your IRC logs are being indexed by G00gle
[17:23] <wth> that sux
[17:24] <Tommy[D]> so your words now too :)
[17:24] <wth> ye
[17:25] <wth> im just wondering why
[17:25] <wth> i mean, it so easy to add a single line in the HTML Page and g00gles bots dont care anymore about it
[17:27] <wth> grrrrr that's mean!
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[18:20] <TheSeeker> ok, he's gone now, but what's wrong with gogle indexing the logs?
[18:22] <Cooo> I think it's good that google indexes the logs, I have found answers to some questions thay way.
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[18:32] <Tommy[D]> perhaps google = big = evil => should not have informations about little, good freenet? :)
[18:33] <Tommy[D]> or once logged and indexed in google, it could be hard or impossible to remove something you or anyone else said?
[18:33] <nextgens> that's a good way of responsabilizing people
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[18:44] <toad_> :)
[18:44] <toad_> Tommy[D]: bottom line: #freenet is public
[18:45] <toad_> and therefore logged by everyone who connects, a number of TLAs and XTLAs, and by us
[18:46] <Tommy[D]> toad_, i know about it, it was wth, who complained about it ;)
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[19:13] <vod> hey i'm uploading a film with thaw and it's taking days :) is it available to people while the upload process runs or do they have to wait until it's done?
[19:18] <Tommy[D]> they have to wait until its done
[19:26] <TheSeeker> if you want to share things on a per-block basis, use FreeMulET
[19:28] <TheSeeker> From what I can tell, it bypasses FEC encoding and inserts each 32k block as individual CHKs, and makes its own manifests... hashing of shared content takes a while though.
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[19:45] <NullAcht15> There is a way to calculate the key of a file before inserting it. That means you can give dlers the key earlier, but they still won't receive any blocks from it before the insert is actually finished
[19:47] <NullAcht15> This is not encouraged though, as trying to download a file that is not completely inserted will flood freenet with requests for keys that cannot be found at all. This could be very bad for the net if it were common practice
[19:58] <toad_> :)
[20:06] <Cooo> If I calculated a key before inserting it and the reciving node downloaded the blocks in order it would flood the net lesser than downloading blocks in random order. Right?
[20:07] <NEOatNHNG> afaik we already "flood" the net because many sites use USKs
[20:08] <Cooo> ULPRs would help alot?
[20:10] <NEOatNHNG> Cooo, yes because then you would subscribe to a key you want to have and get a message once it's there, you don't have to keep asking
[20:11] <Cooo> NEOatNHNG: exactley. That would also make it possible to calculate and send keys before insertion
[20:11] <Cooo> without flooding Freenet to much
[20:11] <NEOatNHNG> would make many push media (e.g. Freemail or chatclients) reasonably faster
[20:12] <NEOatNHNG> Cooo it is possible to calculate the key before inserting
[20:13] <NEOatNHNG> telnet localhost 2323 --> GETCHKFILE
[20:13] <toad_> Cooo: no, we download blocks in random order for a very good reason
[20:13] <toad_> Cooo: if we download them in order then the first part of the file will persist forever and the last part will fall out
[20:14] <Cooo> NEOatNHNG: Yep. But with current freenet it probably isn't to good to do pre calculation. Cause of the risk of flooding the net with requests for keys that doesn't exists yet.
[20:14] <toad_> okay, the combination of ULPRs and posting the key before you've inserted everything might be interesting yeah
[20:14] <Cooo> toad_: Yep.
[20:14] <toad_> although IMHO you probably get best security by waiting until it's finished before announcing it
[20:14] <toad_> you don't really want your insert to trigger ULPRs
[20:14] <toad_> reinserts sure, but not the original full insert
[20:16] <Cooo> toad_: Yes. The combination of those two could be interesting if time from start of insert to download complete is of a high priority and anonymity is not.
[20:17] <wth> was there an answer for my question?
[20:17] <wth> why the logs are g00gable ...
[20:17] <NEOatNHNG> why do inserts and ulprs compromize anonymity isn't that what ulprs are there for? that you subscribe to content thats not there already and get it once it's available?
[20:18] <toad_> wth: yeah
[20:18] <TheSeeker> eth: You'll probably have a fit to know that the public SVN is hosted at googlecode. :P
[20:18] <toad_> wth: logs are public, full stop
[20:19] <NEOatNHNG> wth, because this is an official channel the logs of it should be findable as they contain solutions for people who are searching for it
[20:19] <NullAcht15> BTW, I was under the impression that the manifest for a splitfile will usually be inserted as the last thing. Is that true?
[20:19] <toad_> wth: everyone who cares about us (RIAA NSA etc) already has logs, we host public logs for convenience and to prevent the channel becoming a haven for illegal content
[20:19] <toad_> and as NEOatNHNG says: logs are useful for us
[20:20] <toad_> NEOatNHNG: well... it shouldn't be a problem, but i'm just being cautious. it may be safer to wait until it's been inserted so the attacker doesn't see your inserts from different directions in real time.
[20:20] <toad_> NullAcht15: normally yes, but you can override it at some CPU cost
[20:20] <NullAcht15> (If he's got logs, that might not even make a difference)
[20:21] <toad_> NullAcht15: true, but only for his own node
[20:21] <toad_> and those he's compromised
[20:22] <toad_> not knowing ahead of time may actually help in this case, because if you don't know ahead of time you can't monitor keys on *other nodes*
[20:22] <toad_> bbiab
[20:22] <NullAcht15> You mean because making compromised nodes log stuff for you is impractical?
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[20:49] <wth> sure
[20:49] <wth> but its a difference if they are public or indexed by google
[20:52] <NEOatNHNG> wth, million dollar question: where would the common user search if he has a problem?
[20:52] <nextgens> hi
[20:52] <Tommy[D]> and whats the difference? anyone who knows something about freenet, knows about the public logs and can search them, why should the others not also be able to?
[20:56] <wth> guess what Neo
[20:56] <wth> i looked for a private musicion with a very custom name
[20:57] <wth> now the final quesiton for you: what did I found, in the 5 hits, beside his private internet site?
[20:57] <wth> and the topics here are sometimes really... uhm... paranoid
[20:58] <Cooo> Hi nextgens.
[21:00] <NEOatNHNG> wth, so he wasn't very clever, you shouldn't use your real name as a nickname and in my point of view we aren't very paranoid we just take meassures against censorship which is very present and real in some countrys
[21:03] <wth> first, he didnt use his realname
[21:03] <wth> its just a unique nickname
[21:03] <wth> then, its not censorship if you prevent the logs from geing googled
[21:04] <wth> working with google is more censorship, but who cares
[21:04] <wth> and finally, its still no censorship if you make the logs accessable via the FAQ or HELP page
[21:04] <wth> with a smarty built-in search function
[21:05] <wth> I didnt say YOU are paranoid
[21:05] <wth> I've red the logged conversation, and believe me, its not very ... polite
[21:05] <NEOatNHNG> wth, and btw if you type in my real name (I will not tell it to you but if you ask google you'll probably find out) which is also not a very common name in germany you'll find some football players and some guy who leads the poodle league of germany which i don't
[21:06] <wth> omg, i just told you its not his fucking realname
[21:06] <wth> lern lesen junge
[21:07] <NEOatNHNG> wth, I don't think the conversation is getting us somewhere, reminds me of the question whether there should be an archive of the ccc mailinglist
[21:07] <nextgens> wth> stick to english here please
[21:09] <wth> neo: read and understand
[21:09] <wth> im not talking about censoring
[21:09] <NEOatNHNG> wth, I'm not doing either
[21:09] <wth> "we just take meassures against censorship"
[21:10] <wth> nooo you are not, how could you
[21:11] <NEOatNHNG> that was just in a subordinate clause which didn't affect the reason why we are logging and why the logs aren't protected by a robots.txt
[21:12] <wth> aah what a nice day outside
[21:12] <wth> look at the sun
[21:12] <nextgens> does anyone here have a computer with IE ?
[21:13] <wth> almost every windows user
[21:13] <wth> but im not sure if you guys use windows
[21:13] <nextgens> what does the test on http://127.0.0.1:8888/test/ gives ?
[21:13] <NEOatNHNG> wth afaic i don't think it's a nice day it's cold and no snow
[21:13] <nextgens> wth> I don't otherwise I wouldn't be asking
[21:14] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, wam just powering up my vm
[21:14] <wth> oooh poor neo, is he defining his pleasure of life through the weather?
[21:15] <wth> im off, enjoying my life outside cellar, bye retards
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[21:16] * nextgens sets mode +b *!*@99-8.1-85.cust.bluewin.ch
[21:29] <toad_> rehi
[21:33] <toad_> nextgens: did you look at the code?
[21:33] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, on the MIME Inline section the image is still loading and the image-description shows "your browser is probably safe" (which is shown next to the red cross which comes up whenever a image could not be loaded)
[21:34] <toad_> NEOatNHNG: on IE? have you hacked the registry? as far as i know IE is unsafe
[21:34] <NEOatNHNG> toad_, nextgens asked me to have a look at the /test section in IE
[21:35] <FuriousRage> toad_: unsafe by what definition? and do you have a source on that?
[21:35] <nextgens> it ignores mime-type and my toadlet should show that
[21:35] <nextgens> but apparently it doesn't work
[21:35] <nextgens> NEOatNHNG> which version of IE are you using ?
[21:36] <NEOatNHNG> Number of connections shows a green check
[21:36] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, IE7 on Vista (in a VM)
[21:36] <nextgens> maybe they have fixed it
[21:36] <toad_> that would be nice
[21:36] <toad_> but we're not gonna recommend vista :)
[21:37] <NEOatNHNG> Javascript shows a yellow exlamation mark
[21:37] <toad_> well i believe there's an IE7 for XP
[21:37] <nextgens> NEOatNHNG> while you're at it, may you pastebin the result of ipconfig please ?
[21:37] <FuriousRage> toad_: any reason?
[21:37] <nextgens> toad_> my toadlet isn't proven to be working either
[21:37] <nextgens> we need to test it on a flawed ie (ie5 was for sure)
[21:42] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, http://dark-code.bulix.org/ixdcxg-64732
[21:42] <toad_> FuriousRage: work it out yourself
[21:43] <nextgens> NEOatNHNG> thanks
[21:43] <toad_> we might at add it to the list of supported windows'es
[21:43] <toad_> at some point
[21:43] <FuriousRage> toad_: oh. and i thought you had any valid points for it..
[21:44] <nextgens> doh, it confirms http://archives.freenetproject.org/message/20071129.220955.ac2a2a36.en.html :((
[21:45] <toad_> nextgens: hmmm?
[21:45] <nextgens> vista uses some kind of 6to4 tunneling on non-link-local addresses
[21:48] <nextgens> ISATAP (Intra-Site Automatic Tunnel Addressing Protocol)
[21:48] <Pichu0102> I just noticed; the first time startup wizard has direct links to the freenet wiki on the internet without warning that it's connecting to a page outside freenet.
[21:48] <nextgens> that's the name of the thingy
[21:53] <toad_> Pichu0102: it does? my recollection was that the welcome page does but the first time wizard shouldn't...
[21:53] <toad_> i'm not sure about the welcome page
[21:53] <Pichu0102> Oh right
[21:54] <Pichu0102> Not wizard, welcome page.
[21:54] <Pichu0102> Sorry.
[22:42] <toad_> Pichu0102: well, should we warn people?
[22:43] <Pichu0102> I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend anyone.
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