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[0:01] <vod> hey I'm on the frost client and I can't figure out how to upload / download files
[0:02] <vod> On the upload tab there seem to be no gui elements to share files for example
[0:03] <toad_> so upload it with thaw
[0:11] <FuriousRage> now you only need a "hide" button for "Warning: Promiscuous Mode Enabled: Your node will connect to Strangers" and the front page wont look too stupid with an overbloadet unnecessary 24/7"warning"
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[0:17] <toad_> FuriousRage: i have been thinking of shrinking it ... it's not a big deal if you have a sensible font size on a largish screen, but on 1024x768 with large fonts it takes up a lot of space
[0:18] <toad_> maybe we should replace it with "WARNING: INSECURE MODE ENABLED. You have no security full stop. Have a nice day." :)
[0:18] <FuriousRage> it takes alot of space in 1280x1024 and its not necessary to have it there 24/7, you seen it once, you know its there
[0:18] <toad_> "WARNING: INSECURE MODE ENABLED. You have no security. Have a nice day." :)
[0:19] <FuriousRage> or make it just like the seednode thingy, enable the user to hide it
[0:19] <stealthspy> hmm, they renamed ethereal
[0:19] <stealthspy> toad_: what was that command for it to update to the test build again?
[0:20] <toad_> update.sh testing or update.sh cmd
[0:21] <stealthspy> hmm, update.cmd
[0:21] <toad_> the best thing might be "Warning: Your node is running in insecure mode. You have very little security. Click here for details." ?
[0:21] <toad_> of course, that requires a documentation toadlet
[0:22] <stealthspy> I love being on the shitty OS of vista
[0:22] <toad_> at work?
[0:22] <stealthspy> no I'm just too lazy to go back after I tried it out
[0:22] <stealthspy> I always get in moods then fuck things up and don't make the effort to go fix it
[0:23] <stealthspy> btw last check says the refbot doesn't work on vista and update.cmd never shuts down freenet
[0:23] <stealthspy> i figure I might as well offer a different perspective to test on considering a large amount of users will use vista as freenet returns to popularity somewhat
[0:24] <toad_> okay, how about this?
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[0:24] <toad_> Your node is currently running in insecure mode. You have no control over who it connects to, which could very well be the Bad Guys. Further, it is trivial for Them to find your node. Please get some connections to people you trust and add them to the Friends page as soon as possible!
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[0:25] <toad_> FuriousRage: input?
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[0:25] <FuriousRage> it seems shorter but i still would like to hide it all together (like from advance settings) since ive seen it since "forever" and its just in the way
[0:27] <stealthspy> I agree with that by the way, gets annoying when it says there's a warning
[0:28] <toad_> it's supposed to be annoying :)
[0:29] <toad_> Your node is currently running in insecure mode. You have no control over who it connects to, which could very well be the Bad Guys. Further, it is trivial for Them to find your node. Please get some connections to people you trust and add them to the Friends page as soon as possible, you will be much less vulnerable. When you have at least 10 Friends, turn off insecure mode and your node will become invisible.
[0:29] <toad_> maybe that's a little bit too long?
[0:29] <FuriousRage> probably as long as the current one
[0:29] <toad_> nowhere near
[0:29] <FuriousRage> but if you make it so one can actually hide it completly (even from those pages that shows warning like friends page) it doesnt matter if its big
[0:30] <toad_> the version I just pasted is less than half the characters and around half the words
[0:31] <stealthspy> I love the capitalization ("Them")
[0:32] <toad_> :)
[0:32] <toad_> well it'll turn some people off us completely, but the people who would want to use freenet probably don't have a problem with thinking in those tersm
[0:33] <FuriousRage> when was #1090 released?
[0:34] <toad_> some time ago
[0:34] <FuriousRage> some time as minutes, hours, days, weeks?
[0:35] <stealthspy> Date: 2007-12-10 20:22 -500
[0:35] <stealthspy> judging by the announcement on the message list
[0:35] <toad_> or alternatively, get the time from the Browse SVN link on the developer section on the website
[0:36] <FuriousRage> i just dont recall updating to it
[0:38] <stealthspy> toad_: I'm really not incredible at deciphering packets but it LOOKS like I'm getting responses on opennet but Freenet just doesn't see them
[0:38] <stealthspy> do you want me to send you a snapshot or anything?
[0:39] <toad_> stealthspy: what is the problem?
[0:39] <stealthspy> toad_: we discussed this yesterday I think, I have an inability to connect with newer builds atm, it doesn't seem to see responses to connections
[0:40] <stealthspy> even with seednodes, etc. it just can't connect
[0:40] <toad_> stealthspy: okay, so it's sending packets to seednodes, and receiving packets from seednodes
[0:40] <stealthspy> and it used to, but I stopped using it for a while because of technical reasons, but I hadn't used it since 1073 and then it just couldn't connect once updating to 1088
[0:41] <toad_> stealthspy: and there's nothing in wrapper.log, and no obviously related ERRORs in logs/* ?
[0:42] <stealthspy> just rechecked wrapper.log, nothing in there about it, I'll check the errors again
[0:42] <toad_> nothing in wrapper.log about announcing?
[0:43] <stealthspy> would that be next to last?
[0:43] <stealthspy> or close?
[0:44] <toad_> nasty firewall is still definitely a possibility
[0:44] <toad_> some firewalls don't actually block packets but rewrite their ports in a wierd way that makes UDP servers possible but not UDP clients
[0:45] <toad_> do the incoming packets have the correct destination port number?
[0:45] <toad_> and are they all small i.e. 200-400 bytes?
[0:46] <toad_> brb
[0:46] <stealthspy> I'm filtering by udp port, so yeah, they have the right port number
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[3:24] <funnyface> does anybody talk in here
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[3:40] <random12996> WHY DOES NOBODY TALK
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[3:53] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all, Just a quick line to let you know that we are expecting slight disturbance on some of our US routes between 0400 and 0600 hours pacific time (GMT-8) while some emergency maintenance is being performed. While it is a two hour window disruptions should only last for about 10minutes at some point during said window. Expect turbulence. Thank you for using freenode and have a great day!
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[13:41] <toad_> rehi folk
[13:42] <sich> yop
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[16:33] <Biba> hello, Im new to freenet and could need some help. Would anybody like to answer some questions?
[16:34] <TheSeeker> sorry, gotta go to work.
[16:34] * dbkr can try, bearing in mind http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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[18:07] <Cooo> Hi
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[18:26] <Cooo> pretty silent here :P
[18:28] <Zothar_Work> *crickets*
[18:28] <Cooo> OooO
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[19:42] <Cooo> hrrrm. CIA in freenet-chat down again :(
[19:42] <Zothar_Work> it's been fubar most of the morning US Central time
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[19:45] <Cooo> Seems so. Only one lina from CIA during midday today. Swedish time.
[19:45] <Cooo> *line
[19:45] <Cooo> Damn cat sleeping in my lap, crapping up my writing :P
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[20:22] <grumbel__> Is there a way to download a whole freesite "USK@.../{name}/0/" without parsing the html and spidering?
[20:25] <Ratchet> you can mirror it like any normal website
[20:25] <grumbel__> yep, that would be the spidering solution, but it is possible to get all the keys for all the underlying files?
[20:26] <grumbel__> So that I don't have to spider
[20:26] <Cooo> grumbel__: Do not think that is possible to do
[20:26] <Ratchet> i don't think so either. just mirror the pages and grep for USK over all files :-)
[20:27] <grumbel__> What is "USK@.../{name}/0/" actually? does that automatically load .../index.html or who decides what gets loaded?
[20:27] <grumbel__> When no filename is provided
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[20:28] <Cooo> grumbel__: when you insert a file with Jsit4e you have the option to choose which file shall be default.
[20:28] <Cooo> So somehow that information is inserted with the key
[20:28] <Cooo> *jsite
[20:28] <grumbel> ok
[20:29] <grumbel> I wish those keys would be a little bit more document, to many black magic going on
[20:32] <grumbel> When a directory is inserted as CHK@ it should be possible to get the keys via the manifest file, or not?
[20:32] <Cooo> grumbel: I guess we as users should make those documents. I for one really wants that those who does the actual coding sticks to that :) There are not that many people coding and the energy they have probably are best needed within the code.
[20:33] <Zothar_Work> Cooo: that information is part of the manifest; and as far as your cat sleeping in your lap, messing things up: that's what cats do and I think it's totally worth it with my cats :D
[20:33] <grumbel> I consider understanding CHK, SSK, manifest files and friends rather important, so I wouldn't mind if any developer would spare a few minutes explaining the concept behind it
[20:34] <Zothar_Work> grumbel: as far as I remember, the manifest contents are not generally directly available on 0.7 like they were in 0.5
[20:34] <Cooo> Zothar_Work: Yep, it's worth it with my cat to. She is my best friend.
[20:34] <grumbel> Zothar_Work: yep, there is no way to access them via FCP, which makes understanding things even more harder
[20:34] <Zothar_Work> grumbel: if you have questions about them, just ask; worse case, nobody says anything; best case, you get the information you need to write up the documention you think is missing from the wiki
[20:34] <grumbel> since there is no way to know what actually gets stored beside source
[20:35] <Zothar_Work> grumbel: that's on purpose; means the FCP client can be much simpler
[20:36] <grumbel> Having an additional GetRawCHK call or whatever wouldn't make a client more compilcated
[20:38] <Zothar_Work> grumbel: if the guts get exposed to the client via FCP, that means it's supported and changes have to be backwards compatible
[20:38] <nextgens> grumbel> there is a way to get a binary blob
[20:38] <Cooo> the wiki lacks a lot of information thats for shure. I am planning to contribute some in the swedish part. Hopefully others that knows what is going on under the hood will contribute to other parts in the feature
[20:39] <grumbel> nextgens: How?
[20:40] <grumbel> For most part I would like to just look at a manifest file
[20:41] <nextgens> RTFM :)
[20:41] <nextgens> that's documented on the wiki
[20:41] <nextgens> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FCP2p0ClientGet
[20:41] <nextgens> I doubt that any of the common FCP client is using that feature though
[20:42] <nextgens> try to get in touch with saces and ask him about his manifest-dump plugin then
[20:42] <grumbel> nextgens: thanks, that brings me one step closer :)
[20:42] <nextgens> saces> are you around ?
[20:45] <saces> yo. will look for the key.
[20:46] <nextgens> saces> are you still working on it ?
[20:46] <nextgens> maybe we can host it in our svn tree and deploy/distribute it
[20:46] <toad_> grumbel: it's going to be a lot easier to implement it in the node than for a client to parse the manifest file
[20:47] <toad_> grumbel: send us a patch for an FCP command to list a manifest.
[20:47] <nextgens> toad_> nah, that should be a plugin imo
[20:48] <saces> I can commit it, so someone can complete the "browse part" ;)
[20:49] <toad_> nextgens: imho it's core functionality as it reads raw keys
[20:49] <nextgens> fair enough
[20:49] <nextgens> toad_> imo we don't want to expose that through fcp
[20:49] <Cooo> Ooo. A lot of people around now. /me is thinking about buying some new hardware (my old xp1600+ is slow).. For Freenet usage, is there any cons with a quad core compared to a dual core CPU?
[20:49] <nextgens> as it's useless anyway
[20:49] <toad_> Cooo: nope
[20:50] <toad_> Cooo: quad core should work rather nicely
[20:50] <nextgens> and we don't want fcp client authors to push us to leave them the ability to "push/update" metadatas
[20:50] <toad_> nextgens: how is it useless?
[20:50] <nextgens> it's useful for debugging and documentation purpose
[20:50] <toad_> nextgens: exposing it means one less client function that requires clients parsing metadata
[20:50] <toad_> and as you say, clients parsing metadata directly is bad
[20:50] <nextgens> atm we don't display metadatas, case closed
[20:51] <Cooo> toad_: Anything to put on the + side for the quad compared to the dual for freenet usage?
[20:51] <nextgens> my point beeing that we can export a few specific bits to them (like content-hashes)
[20:51] <toad_> Cooo: depends how busy the node is :)
[20:51] <nextgens> but that exporting everything is pointless
[20:51] <toad_> Cooo: the node is in general heavily threaded
[20:52] <Cooo> toad_: So quad might be the way to go then?
[20:52] <toad_> yeah
[20:52] <toad_> quad is nice
[20:52] <saces> USK@MYLAnId-ZEyXhDGGbYOa1gOtkZZrFNTXjFl1dibLj9E,Xpu27DoAKKc8b0718E-ZteFrGqCYROe7XBBJI57pB4M,AQACAAE/KeyExplorer/1/KeyExplorer.jar
[20:52] <toad_> AMD quad is cheap (and slow), intel quad is expensive (and fast), but quad in general is nice
[20:52] <Cooo> toad_: thanx.
[20:53] <nextgens> saces> may you commit it ? is it buildable using the current plugin infrastructure ?
[20:53] * nextgens tries to fetch the key
[20:54] * Cooo is going to check the money situation tomorrow, hopefully an order is to be placed. 4G memory is for shure :)
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[20:55] <Cooo> probably going for a new 500G hdd too, Freenet dedicated.
[20:57] <Cooo> encryption from the start might be a good idea with that disk.. Don't want to risk having some questionable blocks laying around.
[20:58] <nextgens> yay, build succeeded!
[20:59] <toad_> Cooo: good idea
[20:59] <toad_> Cooo: passphrase-based?
[20:59] <toad_> i take it it doesn't need to boot up unattended?
[21:00] <Cooo> toad_: Are the AMD ones really that slow nowadays? compared to intel ones? Remember the good old days when AMD were fast and cheap :)
[21:00] <toad_> Cooo: :)
[21:00] <toad_> Cooo: well that's what tomshardware said
[21:00] <toad_> also the current AMD quad cores have a wierd bug iirc
[21:01] <toad_> but it's not a problem at the speeds they ship them at
[21:01] <toad_> sugest you read the article :)
[21:01] <Cooo> toad_: yeah. I heard that phenom had some crazy bug that showed when overclocking
[21:02] <nextgens> grumbel> try to load the KeyExplorer plugin on your node :)
[21:02] <Cooo> as I am running with water cooling now it might be fun to continue that. Probably not going for an CPU that bugs out when overclocked.
[21:03] <grumbel> nextgens: already doing :)
[21:03] <toad_> well it probably has a better upgrade path
[21:03] <toad_> that's the other side
[21:03] <Cooo> toad_: yep.
[21:03] <toad_> anyone here have a connection to me that isn't working? what ERRORs are you getting?
[21:03] <Cooo> new phenoms is to be expected some time next year, without the bug.
[21:03] <toad_> I broke something...
[21:04] <toad_> Cooo: Barcelona looked really interesting on paper, maybe they can scale the clock speed up significantly it becomes more interesting
[21:04] <grumbel> something completly different: Why is fproxy so slow? Even for files already loaded a minute ago, it can take a long while to load them again
[21:04] <toad_> grumbel: any background load?
[21:04] <Cooo> toad_: my connection to you says bursting
[21:05] <toad_> Cooo: ok
[21:05] <toad_> Cooo: check logs/* for ERRORs mentioning me
[21:05] <grumbel> toad_: likely a little bit
[21:05] <grumbel> but the slowness still seems far greater then it should be
[21:05] <toad_> grumbel: nothing heavy though?
[21:05] <toad_> freenet is normally run a bit below normal priority.. if you have boinc or something run at normal, you can have issues
[21:06] <nextgens> toad_> what's your ip ?
[21:06] <toad_> 87.82.79.198
[21:06] <toad_> now static (yay) and no port blocking
[21:06] <Cooo> toad_: passphrase-based or not you asked. I am not that into encryption so I dunno.
[21:06] <nextgens> Dec 14, 2007 21:06:46:369 (freenet.node.FNPPacketMangler, UdpSocketHandler packet receiver thread for Darknet port 1111, NORMAL): Unmatchable packet from 87.82.79.198:24374
[21:07] <nextgens> Dec 14, 2007 21:06:58:016 (freenet.node.DarknetPeerNode, UdpSocketHandler packet receiver thread for Darknet port 1111, ERROR): Failed to parse new noderef for freenet.node.DarknetPeerNode@942f1f42@67.64.157.217:38941@a90ec5b107abd279b43833ba4b0c0b8ff396963c6f525ce2357c8f45502e4a8b@1bc4459: freenet.node.FSParseException: No locatio
[21:07] <nextgens> toad_> I thought you've just fixed that one ?
[21:07] <toad_> hmmm i'm sure i put it back in...
[21:07] * toad_ forces a rebuild
[21:08] <nextgens> toad_> same thing for last attempt
[21:09] <Cooo> toad_: not seeing anything from your IP in latest or previous
[21:09] <nextgens> toad_> still same thing
[21:09] * toad_ just started up
[21:09] <toad_> 21:09:24
[21:09] <toad_> anything since then?
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[21:10] <nextgens> toad_> same thing
[21:11] <toad_> nextgens: how is that possible? I can see my ref here and location=... is present
[21:11] <nextgens> I get unmatchable packets from your node too
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[21:12] <Cooo> toad_: My friends page still says bursting.. over 8 hour since last connect/ disconnect
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[21:27] <toad_> anyone running testing MUST have a backup of their peers and node files
[21:27] <toad_> just a reminder
[21:27] <toad_> bbiab
[21:27] <nextgens> hehe
[21:48] * Cooo is updating later on :P
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[21:51] <Tommy[D]> perhaps we should not test latest trunk atm? :)
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[21:53] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: The word MUST says to me that we really should test it :P But in doing that there might be huge risks of loosing stuff.
[21:53] * greycat (i=rfc1413@) Quit ("This time the bullet cold rocked ya / A yellow ribbon instead of a swastika")
[21:54] * Cooo probably is going to update before I go to sleep in a few hours
[21:54] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, if the developers themself have problems and try to resolv them, why should go getting them myself? ;)
[21:56] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: If I updated now and lost all my peers I could warn then channel once more. other than that I might get some sort of error that the devs didn't get- Dunno really
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[22:24] <Incoming> mature node looking for help
[22:26] <mYone> Incoming: whats wrong?
[22:26] <Incoming> I think my node is 'broken' after HD got full.. Several (important) files are now 0 size
[22:26] <Incoming> And I cannot start node..
[22:27] <Incoming> what can I do to correct this?
[22:27] <Tommy[D]> tell us some more details
[22:27] <Tommy[D]> "cannot start" = ?
[22:27] <Incoming> error 1067
[22:28] <Incoming> "a system error has occured - System error 1067 has occured" when I try to start
[22:29] <Incoming> and this happened after HD got full. I think Freenet wasn't able to save/cache some files
[22:29] <Tommy[D]> any error message in wrapper.log?
[22:29] <Incoming> hang on
[22:29] <Tommy[D]> if there are more than 1, 2 lines, nopaste them and dont put them in here please
[22:30] <Incoming> Cannot read config file freenet.ini
[22:30] <Incoming> Error : java.io.IOException: Cannot read config file
[22:30] <Tommy[D]> is there a file "freenet.ini"?
[22:30] <Incoming> it's 0 size together with a bunch of other files
[22:31] <Tommy[D]> which other files?
[22:32] <Incoming> coming up:
[22:33] <Incoming> chk-cache-CHK.dump chk-store-CHK.dump client-throttle.dat freenet.ini node-27719 node-throttle.dat peers-27719.bak pubkey-cache-CHK.dump pubkey-store-CHK.dump ssk-cache-CHK.dump ssk-store-CHK.dump
[22:33] <Cooo> .dump files can be deleted? Right Tommy[D]?
[22:34] <Incoming> as long as the originals are intact?
[22:34] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, i would say, if you dont have a backup, delete those files and start again, also you will loose your peers and started up/downloads
[22:35] <Incoming> started downloads are not necessary, but I'd rather prefer to keep my peers as it's always a hassle to find good peers
[22:35] <NEOatNHNG> Incoming, you could try to install freenet into another location and copy its freenet.ini
[22:35] <Tommy[D]> NEOatNHNG, read, then write...that file is empty ;)
[22:35] <Incoming> :P
[22:36] <NEOatNHNG> i mean copy it from the newly installed to the broken one
[22:36] <Tommy[D]> and copy over the new one or delete the actual empty one and get a new one is the same
[22:36] <Tommy[D]> will bring the same result
[22:36] <Incoming> I still have the "peers-22979". Is that ok?
[22:36] <Tommy[D]> as freenet.ini contains the port and much more
[22:36] <Cooo> peers-27719 is that file still existing and not 0 byte?
[22:36] <Ratchet> you can copy your peers-<portnumber> file after fresh install. just rename the file to the new port.
[22:36] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, if your node-27719 is empty, your peers are lost
[22:37] <Incoming> yup, still existing and > 0 byte
[22:37] <Incoming> only .BAK is empty
[22:37] <Cooo> Incoming: then your peers should be ok
[22:37] <Cooo> hopefully
[22:37] <Incoming> aha... Ok, so delete .dump files and freenet.ini and then try?
[22:37] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, for new peers, enable opennet (and perhaps download the seednodes.fref), that will get you peers
[22:38] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Probably wont be needed.
[22:38] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, how should it work? node-<port> contains the private key, that is lost....
[22:38] <Incoming> have I lost my private key and hence the node?
[22:38] <nextgens> Incoming> which files have been emptied ?
[22:38] <Incoming> chk-cache-CHK.dump chk-store-CHK.dump client-throttle.dat freenet.ini node-27719 node-throttle.dat peers-27719.bak pubkey-cache-CHK.dump pubkey-store-CHK.dump ssk-cache-CHK.dump ssk-store-CHK.dump
[22:39] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Damn. Missed that one
[22:40] <Cooo> node-port could be savable.
[22:40] <Incoming> ok, guys.. I deleted freenet.ini and now it says "Freenet ..... service has started successfully"
[22:40] <NEOatNHNG> just ask one of your friends which port you had ;-)
[22:40] <nextgens> Incoming> again, which files have been emptied ?
[22:41] <Tommy[D]> nextgens, he wrote it already, read it, the line after yours
[22:41] <Incoming> NEOatNHNG: how? :S
[22:41] <Cooo> nextgens: his node-port file was deleted, and some more
[22:41] <nextgens> I can't belive that all of them were emptied at the same time
[22:41] <Incoming> it says: "No peers found"
[22:42] <Incoming> "Your node name isn't defined"
[22:42] <nextgens> Cooo> I still need to know which one to track the bug
[22:42] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, freenet.ini contained your config, you have to start from scratch
[22:42] <Incoming> dang
[22:42] * nextgens thought he had fixed that bug
[22:42] <Incoming> to build record and "maturity" once more? :O
[22:43] <Incoming> and get new peers?
[22:43] <Cooo> Incoming: what caused disk full? Freenet or something else?
[22:43] <Incoming> both, I think
[22:43] <Incoming> I run another program that sometimes gobbles HD space
[22:43] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, enable opennet and you should get some peers,
[22:43] <Incoming> happens frequently
[22:44] <Incoming> I only have about 1.5 GB available on freenet drive
[22:44] <Cooo> Incoming: Any recors left of when you exchenged refs with someone? Frost post, URL history? Someway that you could get your ref?
[22:44] <Incoming> and this other program plus a random download I guess
[22:45] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, he would still need his private key....which should not be in the ref ;-)
[22:45] <NEOatNHNG> the node-<port> file just holds your ref, so if you have pasted it recently or emailed it or somthing shoul be no prob
[22:45] <Incoming> Cooo: Hmm... I got some from irc, and some from frost.. Don't think I have cached them.. :S
[22:45] <Tommy[D]> NEOatNHNG, wrong
[22:46] <Tommy[D]> NEOatNHNG, make a diff....
[22:46] <Incoming> guys.. I still have my "peers-21779" file. It contains refs as far as I can see?
[22:46] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: where do we keep the private key?
[22:46] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, its in node-<port>
[22:46] <Incoming> Tommy[D]: how do I enable opennet?
[22:46] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, "enable promiscuus mode"
[22:47] <Tommy[D]> perhaps you need to download http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref to you freenet folder to get it running automaticly
[22:48] <Incoming> uh.. what's that?
[22:48] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: ahhh.. dsaPrivKey.. didnt know about that one,
[22:49] <Incoming> random nodes?
[22:49] <Cooo> Incoming: seed nodes. To get you started on opennet
[22:49] <Incoming> aha
[22:50] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, other opennet nodes added to your peer list, the same you did, if you dont know friends running freenet, but automaticly
[22:50] <NEOatNHNG> ah shit, looked the same on the first glance
[22:50] <Cooo> NEOatNHNG: Yep. I thought soo to
[22:51] <Incoming> so my "peers-21997" won't do me any good?
[22:51] <Tommy[D]> no
[22:51] <Cooo> well. You learn something new everyday they say.
[22:51] <Incoming> ah.. ok.. I need to build "credits" again
[22:52] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, and a hint for the future: backups can prevent much work :)
[22:52] <Incoming> so the lessons learnt from this is: backup your freenet.ini? and other files? Would that have brought me back?
[22:52] <Cooo> Incoming: well. if you run opennet you wont have to do anything more than get connected and stay connected :P
[22:53] <Incoming> Ok, but a little more compromising?
[22:53] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, with seednodes.fref, you can also disconnect and get back later one
[22:53] <Cooo> Incoming: yep
[22:54] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: yaa. yor're right. I am a few days after :P
[22:54] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, it more insecure, yes, but if you dont know trusted people for darknet, opennet is your only choise
[22:54] <Incoming> sure..
[22:55] <Incoming> well, thanks guys! You solved this one. :) I payed a high price for my experiments.. :P
[22:55] <Incoming> My node was about 1 year old 24/7
[22:55] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Only choise, That one I have to disagree with. Shureley you can run darknet mode safer than opennet without friends
[22:56] <Cooo> Incoming: Oufff. Tough one :(
[22:57] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, connect to strangers in darknet mode?
[22:57] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Yep.
[22:57] <Incoming> Yeah.. And I put pride in trying to be a stable node for others, cause I hate when I connect to people only to delete them a month later for inactivity.
[22:57] <Cooo> Incoming: Same thing here.
[22:58] <Incoming> good principle
[22:58] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, ask toad_ about what he thinks about strangers-darknet :)
[22:58] <Cooo> been up ~1 year too
[22:58] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, and strangers can harm you on darknet too, i dont think, you had the same peers the hole year, am i right?
[22:59] <Incoming> btw... is my problem qualified for a bug or is it just bad use?
[23:00] <NEOatNHNG> I'd say bad use
[23:00] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Most of my peers is over 6 months old, some of them is from the beginning of this node.
[23:00] <Incoming> hehe
[23:00] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, you could create a bug report, but it could help if you find something in wrapper.log or in the files in logs/ which tell something about the crash or the seconds before
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[23:01] <NEOatNHNG> But maybe we could do backups of the really important files
[23:01] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, you say most and some, so not all, 1 bad darknet guy could hurt you too
[23:02] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: and yep. I know what toad would say about strangers-darknet and he is probably right. Topology probbly is't the best. But I am shure that I am somewhat more protected to correlation attacks than a pure opennet node
[23:02] <Zothar> Tommy[D]: that darknet guy has to be your peer though, which is _much_ harder to arrange on darknet than opennet
[23:02] <NEOatNHNG> So you may file a bug-report but it's not a real bug, which is to solve, it's more a user-securing the app
[23:03] <Incoming> NEOatNHNG: yea, agree to that
[23:03] <Tommy[D]> Zothar, most people running strangers-darknet add peers sooner or later, a bad guy can get into you peers list then... like with opennet
[23:04] <Tommy[D]> difference is, once he is in, he says in your list
[23:04] <Zothar> having darknet peers that are strangers should not be done anymore; #freenet-refs should go away in the next few weeks
[23:04] <Incoming> Zothar: really? How are we gonna get our (first) peers then?
[23:04] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Ofcourse. but i take the risk of 1 node hurting me. I do think that I am more protected than any opennet peer anyways
[23:05] <Tommy[D]> Zothar, thats what i say, strangers -> opennet, trusted people -> darknet
[23:05] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, why should opennet hurt you more?
[23:06] <Tommy[D]> the person who created that much nodes that he can peer many times with you in opennet could have done the same in your strangers darknet
[23:06] <Zothar> Incoming: seednodes.fref already exists and the announcement stuff is pretty much in debug mode; get that debugged, if there's much needed there and then #freenet-refs can go away; darknet can then get invites and distribution toadlets and the like
[23:07] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: harvesting. Big evil ones trying to connect to me with 1000 nodes. Shureley they have a greater chance to get 2 or more nodes connected to me with opennet.
[23:07] <Tommy[D]> Zothar, it works already, just tested it ;-)
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[23:07] <Incoming> Zothar: Not sure I follow...
[23:07] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, where did you get your darknet-strangers? :)
[23:09] <Zothar> Incoming: seednodes are obtained from seednodes.fref; they are used by a node that doesn't have enough peers to connect to to get opennet peers from using direct connections; there are just some details left in collecting and distributing the seednodes list AFAIK
[23:09] <Zothar> Incoming: that clear it up?
[23:10] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: a few different places over 1 year of time. both me searching for peers and answering to peers looking for others. And yep. One nick when I got my first peers on Freenet-refs, after that I got a few refs with different nicks with frost.
[23:11] <Cooo> no.. Over 6-8 months.
[23:11] <Incoming> Zothar: Yea, think I understand a little more now. THanks :)
[23:11] <Incoming> Cooo: Exactly same as me
[23:12] <Incoming> Cooo: took me a while to build a base of good peers
[23:12] <Cooo> Incoming: Yep. It takes a while, but I think it is pretty safe when done over some time.
[23:12] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, and who tells you that your "big evel ones" did not create many frost identities and many users in #freenet-refs?
[23:14] <Incoming> I should head over to #freenet-refs and get me some starting ones before you shut it down.. :P
[23:15] <Tommy[D]> Incoming, you get that file i mentioned and let freenet do the rest for you ;-)
[23:15] <Tommy[D]> +or
[23:16] <Incoming> paste it in "Strangers", right?
[23:16] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Well. since most of the peers I got there dissapered within a day or two I do not think that is a problem. Well, they could have recorded my ISP and tried every chance the had after that to get connected to me. but since I did my connection over time they should have been very lucky to get enough connections to me to be able to teĺl what I am doing.
[23:16] <Cooo> *Not ISP.. IP
[23:17] <Cooo> Still I do think it's easier to be tracked when using opennet
[23:17] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, tell me the difference to opennet :)
[23:18] <Tommy[D]> you add strangers in darknet mode, opennet does the same, you need more => you add more, opennet needs more => opennet adds more, in both cases your "big evil ones" can sit there and give you a ref you or opennet adds
[23:19] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: I am not announcing my IP to anyone that needs a new connection... Difference enough?
[23:21] <nextgens> Incoming> are you using windows or linux ?
[23:21] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Remember when there was someone that posted every ref he/she got hold of in frost? A lot of IP;s were posted.
[23:21] <Zothar> in opennet, peers being added is automatic, so the attacker simply convinces your node to add them; in darknet, the attacker has to convince _you_ instead (unless you're still running a refbot trading darknet refs or some such silliness)
[23:21] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, you are sure, you never sent your ref to the public? and even if that is true, with opennet, "big evil ones" can find out you run freenet, but connections to you are the same for both
[23:21] <Incoming> nextgens: windows
[23:21] <nextgens> that explains it
[23:21] <Tommy[D]> Zothar, how did your peers convince _you_?
[23:21] <Incoming> nextgens: howcome?
[23:22] <Incoming> nextgens: because everything about windows sucks? lol
[23:22] <nextgens> I've fixed that bug on *nix
[23:22] <nextgens> but didn't double-check with a windows
[23:22] <Zothar> most of them didn't as most of my "darknet" peers are strangers I connected to before opennet existed; some are people I know
[23:22] <Incoming> nextgens: ahaa :)
[23:22] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, so if you ref was posted there, your ark-address is public, so anyone can trace your ip and know you run freenet
[23:23] <Ratchet> aren't freenet packets recognizable anyway?
[23:23] <Tommy[D]> Zothar, so you added some without trusting them...thats the same the node does in opennet mode
[23:23] <nextgens> how to fill in a windows drive easily ?
[23:23] <NEOatNHNG> Ratchet, no
[23:23] <nextgens> well they are
[23:23] <Zothar> Tommy[D]: yes, I'm fully aware of that
[23:24] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Yahhh.. Everyone in this channel knows I am running freenet. They can check my IP and mabye something strange is going on.
[23:24] <nextgens> they are the only kind wich doesn't enter any category in ISP's filters
[23:24] <Ratchet> hm. there's an addon to linux altq implementation, which lets you select freenet packets for traffic shaping
[23:24] <Zothar> Tommy[D]: note that I am the primary developer of refbot.py
[23:24] <Cooo> still they are not connected to my node
[23:24] <Ratchet> but i saw that a long time ago, so perhaps that was 0.5 only?
[23:24] <nextgens> Ratchet> isn't that .5 stuffs ?
[23:24] <nextgens> it probably is
[23:24] <Ratchet> ah ok
[23:25] <Incoming> nextgens: I use a logging proggie, but I guess you can record some unformatted DV video or some video-grabbing to AVI
[23:25] <Incoming> nextgens: to fill the drive
[23:25] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, so, whats your problem with opennet? your ip is known, that you run freenet is known, untrusted strangers added....everything the same as with using opennet, right?
[23:26] <Incoming> exactly where does the seednodes.fref go?
[23:26] <Tommy[D]> the same place as freenet.ini
[23:27] <Incoming> :)
[23:27] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, maybe we should write some piece of software which also send random packages (maybe in some trojan way) so freenet Packages are not recognized anymore) ;-)
[23:28] <Tommy[D]> NEOatNHNG, who said, they are recognizable?
[23:28] <NEOatNHNG> Tommy[D], they are because they aren't ^^
[23:29] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: What I wanted to say is that there is easier for "evil ones" to get their nodes connected to an opennet node.
[23:29] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, eh, no?
[23:29] <NEOatNHNG> If an ISP gets a package ha can't categorize he assumes it is a freenet package
[23:30] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, if you add untrusted peers from #freenet-refs, frost or anywhere else, that can be "big evil ones" agents
[23:30] <Tommy[D]> the same with opennet, it simply adds untrusted peers
[23:32] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: yep. You're right about that. but whom do you think they preefer to target? The one who runs opennet and accepts new connections automagically or the one that has been collecting untrusted-friends for a year?
[23:32] <Incoming> Cooo: I'd like to trade with you, to get me started on darknet again. :) I'm in #freenet-refs
[23:32] <NEOatNHNG> Tommy[D], Cooo I'd say harvesting is easier on opennet because you often connect to new nodes but monitoring is more difficult because you a) can't choose your victim and b) you probably can't establish the connection over a long time
[23:33] <Cooo> Incoming: sorry to say but nope.
[23:33] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, if i was one of them, i would prefer to target you :)
[23:34] <Incoming> Cooo: sure. No probs.
[23:34] <Tommy[D]> but anyway, "big evil ones" would try to be integrated into the network and be connected to as much people as possible
[23:34] * Zothar (n=Zothar@) Quit ("ChatZilla 0.9.79 [Firefox 2.0.0.11/2007112718]")
[23:35] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: Yep. but how do they target me? Sending endless ref searches along with everyone else to different channels?
[23:35] <Tommy[D]> so they would both run opennet nodes and create strangers-darknet nodes and harvest connections in #freenet-refs and frost and that over the home time
[23:35] <Tommy[D]> s/home/hole/g
[23:36] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, if your "big evil ones" are really big, yes, why not? the more connections and data, the more chances for hitting their target
[23:37] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: wouldnt that be easier t do on opennet?
[23:38] <Cooo> anyways. If the networksize figures are somewhat correct there is no need to woory for anyone of us.
[23:38] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, easier? both can be done automatic, so both is easy
[23:38] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: faster/easier
[23:41] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, opennet may be faster to connect so someone in short term, but that wont be the only goal of "big evil ones"
[23:42] <Incoming> well.. not much fun on Freenet in a while for me. Think I'll head over to BF2142. Thanks, guys!
[23:43] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: in the long run it wont, but they are known to target the easiest/fastest goal first.
[23:44] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, i hope, the "big evil ones" is not only some music industry, in that case you could be save, but not against CIA, NSA or any other agency ;-)
[23:45] <Tommy[D]> + for you
[23:49] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: well. I wouldn't be surprised if the music or film industry were the first ones to target Freenet users
[23:50] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, perhaps the first ones publicaly known, but the agencies will probably already do
[23:51] <Tommy[D]> Cooo, and as long as they find people using emule/torrent or similar traceable, they probably wont try the much higher limits for freenet
[23:52] <Cooo> Tommy[D]: yaa. you are probably right there. the 2 last posts
[23:53] * Incoming (i=Dragons@) Quit ()
[23:54] <Cooo> You probably are right about the agancies and that they are already here, why wouldn't they be. but they are not gonna make any noise for al long time, observing cryptos they are....
[23:57] <toad_> anyone connected to me?
[23:57] <toad_> please could you, whoever you are, check your peers file, find my node, and find my identity
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