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[2:03] <grumbel> Can all content in Freenet be accessed by a CHK or only that, that was inserted as CHK?
[2:03] <grumbel> i.e. if a page is uploaded as SSK, can I convert such an address to a CHK?
[2:04] <grumbel> or the other way around: insert a CHK into a SSK namespace
[2:05] <grumbel> Are USK and SSK are the same, except that one updates automatically and the other doesn't, i.e. can a USK address converted into SSK and visa verse?
[2:09] <NullAcht15> grumbel: yes
[2:11] <NullAcht15> You can take a USK in the for USK@<key>/<name>/<edition> and change it to SSK@<key>/name-<edition> and get the same site back, only this time without auto-updating
[2:11] <NullAcht15> Note that the slash between <name> and edition changes to a dash in the SSK version
[2:11] <NullAcht15> This also allows you to browse past editions of USK based sites
[2:14] <NullAcht15> I don't know the answer to your other questions, but I'd like to know as well
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[2:19] <grumbel> Downloading a file under SSK, then getting its CHK and trying to download it doesn't seem to work
[2:20] <grumbel> which would imply that most content can't be reached by CHK
[2:20] <NullAcht15> that can have different reasons, though. The key often depends on what tool was originally used to upload the file
[2:22] <grumbel> when I understand it correctly the CHK revers to the metadata file, not the data/splitfile itself
[2:22] <NullAcht15> Some insert with compression enabled, some don't, some (fproxy) let the user choose, then some insert with a correct MIME-type, others guess the MIME-type wrong or insert with a basically useless catch-all type...
[2:22] <grumbel> are the underlying blocks should still be shared?
[2:23] <NullAcht15> I think so
[2:25] <grumbel> Any way I can look at the raw manifest returned by a key?
[2:26] <NullAcht15> AFAIK, the developers made a consious decision not to expose this stuff via FCP
[2:26] <NullAcht15> You'd have to hack your node for that
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[3:01] <randumdude> hello
[3:01] <randumdude> does anybody talk here
[3:05] <randumdude> wow freenet is crap
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[3:05] <mYone> :D
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[3:13] <tengjack> hello??
[3:19] <grumbel> hi
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[11:40] <Berserkur> Are there any known problems with freenet + vista?
[11:40] <Berserkur> The install is not able to install the service on my system
[11:42] <Berserkur> Google turns up nothing
[12:18] <nextgens> you need to execute the installer as Administrator
[12:20] <nextgens> you can do it right-clicking on it I think
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[14:27] <genman> hello everybody, wonder if you can help me. my node is leaking for some days. set it up, run refnode once and it worked for about some weeks. suddenly the connections went down to sometimes just one. refnode is not making stable connections either. and now it tells there no seednodes.fref files found. where to catch up seednode refs ?
[14:28] <nextgens> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref
[14:28] <nextgens> download it and put it into your freenet folder
[14:28] <nextgens> you might have to restart the node afterwards
[14:29] <genman> will that help to solve my problem ? connections made in the evenings for good and stops at midnight ????
[14:30] <nextgens> it should
[14:31] <genman> thanks a lot nextgens!
[14:32] <genman> just in the root freenet folder ?
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[14:35] <nextgens> yes
[14:40] <nextgens> does anyone know how to tell windows that an install program requires the admin. rights ?
[14:40] <nextgens> is it an attribute to add to PE ?
[14:51] <genman> thanks nextgens, it worked immediatly
[14:52] <genman> to your question - guess that windows recognizes everything as admin install, which will access system folders
[14:53] <genman> because even at several microsoft installations, you have to use runas, if youre logged in as limited user
[14:53] <genman> they dont tell you before, installation just fails
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[14:56] <genman> therefore administrator is on every machine a different user through sids , it cannot be apllied as security credential to a file.
[14:59] <nextgens> that's weird
[14:59] <nextgens> I remember seeing some installers which were explicitely asking for privilege elevation *before* it was actually started
[15:00] <genman> maybe they have a routine to check group membership
[15:00] <genman> this fuction could be implemented in some apis perhaps
[15:01] <genman> easiest way would be popup - run me as administrator ... :-)
[15:01] <FuriousRage> genman: you have that in vista
[15:02] <nextgens> it was already there in NT31 iirc
[15:03] <genman> im working with ms since 15 years ... vista was the first os i immediately deleted and never touched again. our costumers all requesting xp ..
[15:03] <FuriousRage> vista works almost 100% to popup a dialog to elevate privt for a program to run as admin (for installers ect)
[15:04] <genman> i give it another try after sp1 ... but i guess putty is already working ... :-)
[15:05] <FuriousRage> most people who whine about vista usually sit on old computers that wasnt built for vista ;>
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[15:06] <genman> the problem was not the computer, it was lots of applications which may be old, but so valuable.
[15:07] <FuriousRage> i went back to xp because 1 program didnt work in vista yet ;>
[15:08] <genman> btw i didnt found one until now, who told me -Vista - thats it ...
[15:08] <genman> the ideas round the xml parser are glorious, and if everything will work one day, it might be IT ..
[15:08] <genman> i can wait
[15:12] <genman> have a nice day everybody !
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[15:31] * toad_ discovers after a lot of work for him and others that the ethernet socket inserts he bought are rubbish
[15:31] <toad_> :(
[15:31] <toad_> bbiab
[15:38] <nextgens> raaaahhhh
[15:39] <nextgens> it requires a newer windows :((
[15:39] <nextgens> may someone donwload http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=52529 and ensure that our current installer http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/installer/freenet-win32.exe is flagged as requiering admin privileges please ?
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[16:41] <TheSeeker> nextgens: you'll probably have an answer way before I get back from work, but I use Vista there (gag) so I can test it.
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[17:13] <sbc> "There is no seednodes.fref file found, so the node will not be able to automatically bootstrap itself onto the opennet. Please add some nodes manually." <-- I get this on my FProxy homepage. Do I need to manually download a seednodes.fref file or is there a lack of nodes to connect to?
[17:13] <sbc> (And is it not called a seednode.ref file?
[17:13] <sbc> )
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[17:14] <batosai> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref
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[17:15] <sbc> batosai: I download that to my /freenet/ dir?
[17:15] <batosai> sbc: yep
[17:15] <Cooo> sbc: Yep. Put it in your freenet folder
[17:16] <zero_seven> Howdy
[17:16] <Cooo> Hi
[17:16] <zero_seven> how is the opennet "autoseeding" supposed to work?
[17:16] <zero_seven> I only get a "can't connect to seed" message or so
[17:20] <Cooo> zero_seven: Hmmm. You getting any "There is no seednodes.fref file found" ?
[17:20] <Cooo> or is this some other message?
[17:21] <toad_> rehi
[17:21] <Cooo> hi toad.
[17:22] <sbc> Should the seednodes file not be downloaded automatically for ease of use?
[17:22] <sbc> But thanks for the help, after a download and a restart, I'm connected.
[17:23] <Cooo> sbc: I guess it should, might not be fully implemented yet.
[17:23] <sbc> Cooo: ok.
[17:25] <Cooo> sbc: There has been a lot of opennet work going on the last days and hopefully there will be a stable release version with opennet soon.
[17:25] <zero_seven> Cooo: yes, exactly that message
[17:26] <sbc> Cooo: I saw. It was the reason I tryed freenet again.
[17:26] <Berserkur> nextgens: I did that actually but my computer has a password policy because it's a part of a domain and the password provided for the service does not meet the policy requirements
[17:26] <Cooo> zero_seven: download http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/opennet/seednodes.fref and put it in your freenet folder, and restart the node. Should fix it
[17:27] * zero_seven thought the node would do this for him
[17:27] <Cooo> sbc: :)
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[17:27] <zero_seven> ugh.. 302-hell
[17:28] <Cooo> zero_seven: in a few days or so opennet will be fully functional.
[17:28] <toad_> sbc: it is downloaded in the installer
[17:29] <toad_> Berserkur: iirc we try 3 different passwords
[17:29] <toad_> Berserkur: some of which are very high entropy
[17:29] <sbc> toad_: Sure about that? I had to just download it manually for it to work.
[17:29] <toad_> sbc: when did you install the node?
[17:30] <sbc> two days ago? Something like that.
[17:30] <toad_> zero_seven: when did you install the node?
[17:30] <toad_> well it's only been working since monday
[17:30] <zero_seven> this "not using wrapper" is annoying
[17:30] <toad_> and there were a few times when it wasn't working
[17:30] <toad_> but it should be working now
[17:30] <zero_seven> fresh svn + ant today
[17:30] <toad_> well you didn't use the installer then
[17:30] <zero_seven> you bet!
[17:30] <sbc> toad_: sorry, 5 days ago. Time flyes.
[17:31] <toad_> which means it's not my problem :)
[17:31] <zero_seven> idon't want some program create useraccounts, register services, etc on my machine
[17:31] <zero_seven> just for a java-program where these are meant to be portable!
[17:31] <zero_seven> i will never use this weird installer
[17:32] <zero_seven> had a hell of a time to get rid of all that entries in my machine
[17:32] <toad_> if freenet is not run 24x7 it is MUCH less useful. if it's not run in its own user, it's somewhat less secure, especially on a multi-user box.
[17:32] <toad_> ummm just use the uninstaller
[17:32] <zero_seven> there wasn't any to that time
[17:32] <toad_> well then that was a long time ago
[17:32] <zero_seven> i am a burnt child ;)
[17:32] <toad_> there is a working uninstaller now
[17:32] <zero_seven> okay
[17:33] <zero_seven> i'm fine with my two jars
[17:34] <zero_seven> w00t - connections!
[17:34] <Cooo> zero_seven: :)
[17:34] <stealthspy> yeah, I can't seem to connect now
[17:35] <stealthspy> I ran freenet for a while on darknet, enabled opennet, and then I had to shut down for three weeks. Now everything is unavailable, so I updated and downloaded seednodes.fref to my directory (running windows) and it says it's announcing but does nothing
[17:36] <stealthspy> I've tried bootstrapping with other opennet nodes and darknet nodes but neither are connecting
[17:37] <nextgens> Berserkur> what's are your policy requirements ?
[17:37] <nextgens> the installer tries several things iirc
[17:40] <Cooo> stealthspy: did you restart the node after you downloaded the seednodes file? Dunno if it's needed but mabye?
[17:40] <stealthspy> Cooo: yeah, did multiple things with that. It goes from loading seednodes, to connecting to seednodes, and then nothing
[17:42] <Cooo> stealthspy: Strange.
[17:42] <stealthspy> right now it says it's announcing... but...
[17:42] <zero_seven> i've got 10+ connections now
[17:42] <stealthspy> would it be because I'm behind a college router?
[17:43] <stealthspy> a really, really big router?
[17:43] <zero_seven> how many seednodes do currently participate?
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[17:43] <zero_seven> uhm
[17:43] <toad_> stealthspy: no connections in Strangers at all?
[17:43] <zero_seven> wasn't KSK@gpl.txt supposed to be something else?
[17:43] <toad_> stealthspy: if so it should still say it's announcing, what does it say?
[17:44] <toad_> zero_seven: depends who gets there first :|
[17:44] <zero_seven> ah, good old KSK keys :D
[17:44] <stealthspy> toad_: "The node is currently attempting to connect to seednodes and announce itself to the opennet (Strangers network). This may take a few minutes."
[17:44] <toad_> on 0.5 it used to be pornographic
[17:44] <toad_> stealthspy: nothing in Strangers ?
[17:44] <zero_seven> here it's the goat pumpkin *loll
[17:44] <toad_> stealthspy: what about wrapper.log ?
[17:44] <zero_seven> or whatever it's name is
[17:45] <stealthspy> toad_: it also has a bunch of old (1073) nodes in strangers from when I ran it before, I deleted the stagnant darknet connections. I added a couple darknet and opennet to bootstrap but to no avail
[17:45] <toad_> stealthspy: anything in wrapper.log ?
[17:45] <toad_> it should at least say that it's starting an announcement
[17:46] <toad_> if you enable advanced mode in config you'll get a more verbose announcement message on the frontpage
[17:46] <zero_seven> what does "minimum tunnel lifetime 16m31s" tell me?
[17:46] <toad_> that you are probably port forwarded / directly connected and not behind a stateful firewall
[17:47] <stealthspy> toad_: it says nothing about announcement in wrapper.log and the frontpage shows (in advanced mode): The node is currently attempting to connect to seednodes and announce itself to the opennet (Strangers network). This may take a few minutes. We have recently sent 0 announcements, 0 of which are still running, and added 0 nodes (0 nodes have rejected us). We are currently connected to 0...
[17:47] <stealthspy> ...seednodes and trying to connect to another 6.
[17:47] <toad_> hmmm
[17:48] <toad_> for how long has it said that?
[17:48] <stealthspy> for this session 16 minutes
[17:48] <toad_> hmmm
[17:48] <stealthspy> but before it lasted about 45 or so and I can keep it going for as long as you want
[17:49] <toad_> are you able to determine whether it's actually sending packets?
[17:49] <stealthspy> hmm, I guess later I could fire up ethereal but I haven't done that in years
[17:49] <toad_> what's your IP address? it should be trying to connect to me as i'm a seednode
[17:50] <toad_> well if you could do that that would be interesting
[17:50] <stealthspy> nextstealth.no-ip.org or 141.133.152.175
[17:51] <toad_> that's odd, according to this we're connected, or we have been connected
[17:51] <stealthspy> I won't be able to do that now though because I have to go somewhere quite soon but if you're on tomorrow I'd be more than willing to try that out
[17:51] <stealthspy> hmm
[17:51] <toad_> i have an OpennetPeerNode for your node
[17:52] <toad_> => we've connected - *through path folding*, not through seednode setup
[17:52] <toad_> we're not actually connected now
[17:52] <toad_> but it looks like your node has successfully announced at some point
[17:52] <stealthspy> hmm
[17:52] <stealthspy> not from before when I ran it?
[17:52] <toad_> maybe
[17:52] <toad_> i dunno yet
[17:53] <toad_> okay, so what's it doing now? it's trying to connect to me anonymously i.e. as a seednode ...
[17:53] <toad_> it sends a JFK(1), we reply with a JFK(2)...
[17:53] <toad_> stealthspy: are you behind any kind of nasty firewall?
[17:53] <stealthspy> unfortunately I might be
[17:53] <toad_> big corporate monster?
[17:53] <stealthspy> college
[17:53] <toad_> if you are then you may not be able to sustain opennet connections at all...
[17:54] <stealthspy> well I sustained them for a long time
[17:54] <stealthspy> consistantly through builds... 1060 or so up until 1073
[17:54] <stealthspy> maybe even before that
[17:54] <stealthspy> built up a nice datastore and stuff
[17:54] <toad_> those were darknet connections though, right?
[17:54] <stealthspy> largely opennet
[17:55] <toad_> did you have the evil-corporate-lan flag enabled on any of your peers?
[17:55] <stealthspy> only a couple freinds
[17:55] <toad_> hmmm ok
[17:55] <stealthspy> hmm, I don't think so, where would I find out?
[17:56] <toad_> well your node seems to be continually sending JFK(1) handshake packets, and not seeing my responses
[17:56] <toad_> do you have network problems?
[17:56] <toad_> what about logs/freenet-latest.log - can you grep for ERROR ?
[17:57] <toad_> another thing you could try is upgrading to a testing build
[17:57] <toad_> update.cmd testing / update.sh testing / get latest SVN revision
[17:58] <stealthspy> looks like a couple of errors with timeout being the reason
[17:58] <toad_> what kind of timeout?
[17:58] <toad_> during swapping?
[17:58] <toad_> or inserts?
[17:58] <toad_> those are relatively harmless
[17:59] <zero_seven> hm, AnotherIndex edition 37 found edition 39? now that's weird :D
[17:59] <toad_> you might have a perverse firewall that rewrites the port number on incoming packets but not outgoing ones
[17:59] <toad_> so ethereal would be interesting
[17:59] <stealthspy> I'll try the upyes
[17:59] <toad_> also, you might want to try adding a darknet peer, see if it can connect
[18:00] <stealthspy> updated build*
[18:00] <stealthspy> and it didn't seem to connect to the darknet peers
[18:00] * zero_seven volunteers if desired
[18:00] <stealthspy> but I have to run, if you're on tomorrow I'll find you
[18:00] <toad_> if you can be here later / tomorrow, that'd be great
[18:00] <toad_> i bet it's a perverse firewall problem
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[18:00] <toad_> find out whether you're receiving packets, and whether they're on the correct port
[18:00] <toad_> i gotta go too, cya
[18:00] <toad_> bbiab ~ 1hour
[18:01] * toad_ might be out for some time tomorrow also, but i should be here at some point
[18:02] <toad_> if all else fails email the support list / file a bug ticket :)
[18:02] <toad_> cya
[18:02] <zero_seven> bye
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[18:11] <nextgens> Berserkur> still around ?
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[18:13] <zero_seven> uhm, in my "Peer Location Distribution (w/pReject)" circle i have two "x"
[18:13] <zero_seven> but i have no darknet peers connected to me!
[18:13] <zero_seven> where do these "x" come from?
[18:13] <nextgens> rtfm
[18:14] <zero_seven> point me to tfm, please
[18:14] <nextgens> it's explained on the wiki
[18:15] <zero_seven> does this something have to do with "We are currently connected to 2 seednodes and trying to connect to another 2."?
[18:15] <nextgens> no
[18:16] <zero_seven> so we are playing twenty questions.... grr
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[18:19] <zero_seven> can't find it there
[18:19] <zero_seven> the node circle is not explained afaics
[18:20] <Zothar_Work> zero_seven: what color are the Xs?
[18:20] <zero_seven> green
[18:20] <zero_seven> what colors can they have?
[18:20] <Zothar_Work> it thinks they are connected then; green is connected, grey is not IIRC
[18:21] <zero_seven> blue x = me, green x = darknet connected, grey x = darknet not connected
[18:21] <zero_seven> green o = opennet connected, grey o = opennet not connected
[18:21] <zero_seven> if this hasn't changed in the last few weeks
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[18:21] <zero_seven> but as i don't have any darknet peers (deliberate) i'm wondering where these green-x-es are coming from
[18:22] <Zothar_Work> it hasn't; nextgen may have been implying that it's not documented because it's in advanced mode only or something
[18:22] <zero_seven> and for my 7 opennet peers i've got 7 "o"s
[18:22] <zero_seven> so i've got two marks too much in the circle!
[18:23] <Zothar_Work> the the "darknet" peers being seednodes does seem possible to me...
[18:23] <nextgens> Zothar_Work> I wrote a page about it on a wiki
[18:23] <Zothar_Work> nextgens: ah
[18:23] <zero_seven> yes and he's hiding it like a little secret
[18:23] <nextgens> that must be it
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[18:24] <zero_seven> "opennet=false" does not appear in my seednodes.fref
[18:25] <Zothar_Work> well http://wiki.freenetproject.org/LocationDistribution ain't it 'cause I wrote that
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[18:25] <Zothar_Work> zero_seven: seednodes.fref is opennet only
[18:25] <freenet33> salut
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[18:26] <zero_seven> the wiki is messy :)
[18:28] <zero_seven> hm
[18:28] <zero_seven> i think the two additional "x" are because of the seednodes
[18:28] <zero_seven> but nextgens said "no"
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[18:29] <zero_seven> and as he left the building ans was not talkactive anyway
[18:29] <zero_seven> i'll leave it as it is
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[18:33] <Zothar_Work> yeah, not finding that doc in the wiki...
[18:33] <Zothar_Work> zero_seven: I suspect nextgen may be wrong
[18:34] <Zothar_Work> or he wasn't answering what you thought he was or something
[18:34] <zero_seven> np :)
[18:34] <zero_seven> toad will read the backlog
[18:35] <zero_seven> i restarted the node
[18:35] <zero_seven> now / says "We are currently connected to 4 seednodes and trying to connect to another 3." and i have got 4 "x" in the circle
[18:36] <zero_seven> so i assume my conclusion was okay
[18:36] <zero_seven> but what actually are "seednodes"?
[18:36] <zero_seven> darknet? opennet? both? nothing? something third?
[18:39] <Zothar_Work> just looked at the code; I'd bet a candy bar it's the seednodes (I did some hacking on that code a long while back)
[18:40] <Zothar_Work> seednodes are neither opennet nor darknet peers from the Fred internals stand point
[18:41] <Zothar_Work> the check is of a 'if( isOpennet() ) { "O" } else { "X" }' format
[18:41] <zero_seven> so add an "s"? :)
[18:41] <zero_seven> are they used for routing?
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[18:43] <Zothar_Work> no, I don't believe they're used for anything but exchanging information about opennet peers
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[18:47] <zero_seven> okay.
[18:48] <zero_seven> thanks zothar :)
[18:50] <zero_seven> hm, "Peer statistics" says "Connected: 18 Backed off: 2 Disconnected: 2 Never connected: 2" but it's "(0/0/0/0/0/0) Friends" and "(18/1/0/0/0/0) Strangers"
[18:51] <zero_seven> that's not matching as i don't have disconnected or never connected peers at all...
[18:51] <Zothar_Work> maybe more of same; dunno
[18:51] <greycat> 18 peers? daaaamn...
[18:51] * greycat should get some more peers, so he can have more than 2 for another 8 hours, before dropping back down to 2 again.
[18:52] <Zothar_Work> opennet gives you 20 total by default
[18:52] <zero_seven> greycat: this was accomplished using the seednodes
[18:52] <zero_seven> not suggested, though
[18:52] <greycat> oh, that's not darknet?
[18:52] <zero_seven> no, only opennet
[18:52] <zero_seven> my darknet peers die too easily
[18:52] <zero_seven> :(
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[18:58] <Zothar_Work> zero_seven: well, I'm guessing those darknet peers aren't nodes run by your friends then... :)
[18:58] <zero_seven> :D
[18:58] <Zothar_Work> only friends should be connected as a darknet peer
[18:58] <Zothar_Work> (that's why the refbot won't trade darknet peers in the default configuration anymore)
[18:58] <zero_seven> yes i know. but before opennet being halfway usable we added each other over at #refs ;)
[18:59] <zero_seven> also i'm not sure my friends would like to join freenet
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[18:59] <zero_seven> not enough content and ftp/... is faster and wasier to use
[19:00] <Zothar_Work> before refbot was changed, the best way to get a bunch of fake darknet peers was to run refbot every so often until you get a stable peer list; that, however, results in a bad topology compared to connecting with real friends
[19:00] <Zothar_Work> zero_seven: well, I guess you need to get started on fixing the content problem... :D
[19:00] <zero_seven> now i'm not convinced the current network topology and the routing within is kleinberg compatible ;)
[19:01] <zero_seven> over at 0.4 i added some sites but as the network does not perform as good as in the old ages i'm in status pending
[19:02] <zero_seven> and i want FIW back ;)
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[19:13] <Cooo> zero_seven: FIW ?
[19:14] <zero_seven> the "Freesite Insertion Wizard"
[19:15] <zero_seven> http://fiwiz.sourceforge.net/
[19:15] <zero_seven> http://www.javaspider.com/freenet/index-615.htm
[19:15] <Cooo> Ahh. Knew I've heard about it before
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[20:34] <Cooo> toad_: any idea as to when #1091 is to be?
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[21:39] <toad_> Zothar_Work: i know what the problem is. it's including seednodes on the graph.
[21:40] <toad_> Zothar_Work: you wanna fix? the best way to check for seednodes is isSearchable()
[21:40] <toad_> also we should not show stuff that is routing-disabled
[21:51] <Cooo> hi again toad_ : I saw that robert made a commit, r16508 /trunk/freenet/src/freenet/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Rough implementation of cache & store location statistics (uses a lot of memory) I do not know what nick he goes under or if he is present in the channel, that's why I am asking you. If this commit really uses alot of memory (50MB or more) then we probably want to slim down the memory usage from this commit before
[21:51] <Cooo> next release if possible?
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[22:02] <toad_> i haven't looked at it yet
[22:03] <toad_> but there will not be a release until i am satisfied with the code
[22:03] <toad_> testing as always is appreciated
[22:03] <Zothar_Work> toad_: make a ticket for it and assign it to me; I'm headed home now, so perhaps I'll pick it up and fix it then
[22:07] <Cooo> toad_: Good. Up and running with #16506 right now, probably gonna stay with that version during the night.
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[22:45] <Cooo> good night peeps.
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