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[0:05] <norbert-> *sigh*
[0:05] <norbert-> okay, I admit, I expected too much from freenet
[0:06] <norbert-> one of the main problems is probably lack of users
[0:06] <norbert-> if people would be spilling refs, I'm sure I'd be connected to 3 people by now
[0:15] <norbert-> I'm going to retry the whole thing, but with the .jar instead of the .tar.gz
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[1:21] <Norbert__> "With Freenet 0.7 Darknet, if someone arrests or closely monitors one of your Darknet friends, they are going to be able to laughingly easily discover who YOU are, and all that persons friends are, also."
[1:21] <Norbert__> see, I already said that
[1:21] <Norbert__> and I just started using freenet today
[1:21] <Norbert__> now I'm reading the exact thing that I was already thinking
[1:22] <Norbert__> not just that, even if you choose people from freenet-refs, it's a problem, since you can see who you added and you can check the IP's of people with /dns here on IRC
[1:23] <Norbert__> so, opennet makes much more sense if you ask me
[1:25] <Norbert__> http://www.vrhome.com/freenet/index.html
[1:25] <Norbert__> that seems to pretty much sum it all up
[1:26] <Norbert__> is there a spider I can use on Linux?
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[1:27] <Norbert__> and the cool thing is that there's no feedback to anything I say here ;-)
[1:27] <Norbert__> and what does FreenetLogBot mean?
[1:28] <Norbert__> why are there so few 8888/... url's on the general internet?
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[1:31] <Norbert__> another thing, how is freenet-refs supposed to be darknet
[1:31] <Norbert__> because you randomly accept refs from people you don't know?
[1:31] <Norbert__> might as well use opennet
[1:32] <Norbert__> so many questions, so few answers
[1:32] <Norbert__> and meanwhile I've been waiting for 4.5 hours to get 3 connected refs
[1:32] <Norbert__> and I have 2 of them right now
[1:32] <Norbert__> so, it's like, if you want to use freenet, make sure you start early
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[1:40] <Norbert__> and how exactly is keeping irc logs in the spirit of freenet? http://emu.freenetproject.org/irc/
[1:41] <Norbert__> more like a police state net
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[2:46] <freenet18> bonjour
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[4:30] <bhsx> i just installed for the first time in about 3 years or so... i'd love to start contributing to the network again... would it be possible to get some peers? how do you really set that up now anyway? it's been quite a while since i've used it
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[8:05] <Cashel> 1087 mandatory soon.. does that mean .7 mandatory as opposed to .5 or something else entirely?
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[8:54] <Cashel> is freenet dead or what?
[8:55] <Cashel> ive gone as far as to intall this python ref bot and I still cant get a single connection...
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[13:51] <nextgens> toad_> hi!
[13:51] <toad_> hi
[13:51] <nextgens> toad_> regarding r16403, needless to say that I strongly disagree
[13:52] <nextgens> I've implemented it because it was convenient for me... to workaround my missconfigured SeLinux setup
[13:52] <toad_> well, we weren't complaining at all if we couldn't bind 8888
[13:52] <toad_> imho this is bad
[13:52] <toad_> well make it configurable then, or at least make it complain if it can't bind _one_ interface
[13:52] <nextgens> in my case that was on purpose
[13:52] <toad_> or make it complain non-fatally even, but imho that's a bad idea
[13:53] <nextgens> well, I'll maintain a local fork for that
[13:53] <nextgens> as I already have one it's not such a big deal
[13:53] <toad_> why is that necessary? if you don't need fproxy then turn it off
[13:54] <nextgens> the accesses and security roles aren't inherited as they should because of the way I start my node up
[13:54] * nextgens is giving the node rights after it has started up
[13:54] <nextgens> so I don't want such permission problems to prevent it from starting up
[13:55] <nextgens> anyway, I guess it's more a local-problem than anything else :|
[13:55] <toad_> it sounds like a local problem :|
[13:55] * toad_ doesn't have selinux enabled here
[13:56] <toad_> mostly because you have to write your own policy files and i haven't had time
[13:56] <toad_> not like on e.g. fedora :|
[14:03] <skxpl> have anyone set sth like this http://wiki.freenetproject.org/Freenet0Point7overLAN but using OpenVPN instead of proper LAN?
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[14:25] <toad_> skxpl: why would you want to?
[14:28] <skxpl> I have no idea, but I want to :)
[14:28] <skxpl> oh
[14:28] <skxpl> sorry
[14:29] <skxpl> not to kepp my computer running all the time
[14:29] <toad_> oh you mean for FCP?
[14:29] <toad_> sorry I misunderstood
[14:29] <toad_> you want to run a server remotely and connect to it over a VPN
[14:29] <toad_> the alternative would be ssh
[14:29] <toad_> either way it's possible yeah
[14:29] <skxpl> I have a proper shell account and OpenVPN connection to it
[14:30] <skxpl> and few spare gigs
[14:30] <skxpl> ssh?
[14:30] <skxpl> you can use freenet over ssh>
[14:30] <skxpl> ?
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[14:55] <toad_> skxpl: you can forward the ports over ssh yes
[14:55] <toad_> skxpl: port 9481 (FCP), port 8888 (web interface)
[14:55] <toad_> and maybe 2323 if you use that (you probably don't)
[14:55] <skxpl> Hh, this way -- yeah.
[14:55] <toad_> easier to set up than a VPN probably
[14:55] <skxpl> but vpn is already set up and safer
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[15:12] <Zothar_Work> VPN is no more or less safe than SSH unless one uses much crappier crypto than the other in your setup and in that case, you'd have to have likely manually configured it do be so
[15:12] <Zothar_Work> SSH is definitely simpler
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[15:28] <Houser> What firewall ports need to be opened? 63790 and 9481?
[15:38] <toad_> Houser: go to the bottom of the friends page
[15:38] <toad_> Houser: it tells you there
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[17:30] <nextgens> rehi
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[17:51] <PrototypeX29A> hi
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[17:56] <Houser> What's the difference bwtween opennet and darknet?
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[17:59] <toad_> Houser: RTFW
[17:59] <toad_> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/Opennet
[18:00] <toad_> opennet = promiscuous mode = strangers
[18:00] <toad_> darknet = friends = friend to friend (F2F)
[18:01] <Houser> thanks
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[19:41] <toad_> brb
[20:35] * toad_ releases 1090
[20:37] <toad_> FreenetLogBot: hey
[20:42] <Cooo> Oooo. New release. Guess the autoupdater has to take that one as I am going to sleep.
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