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[0:15] <mYone> toad_: yep, i agree, maybe a fully working opennet would be a polically perfect moment announcing beta status ;) for all those haters from 0.5 ^^
[0:15] * mYone just thinking out loud here
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[0:33] <toad_> of course, we'll still have the local security issues up to 0.8
[0:33] <toad_> so maybe 0.7.0 is an alpha cos it doesn't fix them :)
[0:35] <TheSeeker> toad_: does ref text not gzip compress well?
[0:36] <toad_> TheSeeker: well, it's rather small to start with, but not quite small enough :|
[0:36] <TheSeeker> and... CIA on freenet-chat seems to not be echoing the commit comments.
[0:37] <TheSeeker> thanks though, to whomever changed the googlecode updater to do so much more frequently.
[0:38] <NEOatNHNG> TheSeeker, I already messaged that to the cia-people they have a problem with their bots currently
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[0:47] <xarks> have anybody a good board.xml?
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[0:57] <daltin> !freenethelṕ
[0:57] <daltin> !freenethelp
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[1:21] <dionyziz> hey guys, I get an error saying "Auto-update key blown according to 1 peer(s)" -- what does that mean and how should I react?
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[1:41] <toad_> dionyziz: does it give you a revocation message?
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[1:52] <toad_> hmmm this announcement has visited 98 nodes!
[1:52] <toad_> 112 nodes...
[1:53] <toad_> 126 nodes...
[1:59] <toad_> hmmm i should probably release a mandatory for this
[1:59] <toad_> but as that would deploy announcement as well ...
[1:59] <toad_> I need some testing
[1:59] <toad_> please could some folk test trunk?
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[2:02] <toad_> ok so tomorrow, we need to: release 1089, get a list of semi-official seednodes together, distribute it with the node
[2:02] <toad_> any volunteers for seednodes?
[2:03] <toad_> all you need is a static IP and a reasonable (not necessarily great) connection
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[2:31] <sn1pe> hi
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[5:29] <samoshit> hey i'm coming over from btexact. is there any simple freenet6 script i can use to connect, or do i have to download this gw6c client ?
[5:29] <samoshit> for linux
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[7:16] <testnode> How can I turn off the warning on fproxy about promiscuous mode?
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[13:56] <Jafet> What's the latest version, 1088?
[14:00] <toad_> yeah
[14:00] <toad_> we'll probably do a 1089 today
[14:00] <Jafet> Damn, why aren't the installers numbered.
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[14:12] <nextgens> Jafet> the installer installs latest in any case
[14:12] <nextgens> unless you're speaking about the offline installer you shouldn't be using :)
[14:13] <Jafet> Right now I'm doing update.bat which seems to be taking next to forever to shut Freenet down.
[14:14] <Jafet> (The local Freened instance, that is.)
[14:14] <Jafet> s/ned/net/
[14:14] <Jafet> s/bat/cmd/
[14:14] <nextgens> you shouldn't be using that either
[14:14] <nextgens> but the update-over-freenet mechanism
[14:15] <mYone> nextgens: that wont help him if his version is so outdated that he cant connect to anyone (since every build is mandatory very fast)
[14:16] <toad_> mYone: yes it will
[14:16] <mYone> toad_: how?
[14:16] <toad_> mYone: Update Over Mandatory should work for any build published in the last few months
[14:17] <mYone> toad_: ah ? then sorry, i didnt know that... how does it work? i always assumed when it says "too new" it wouldnt connect at all
[14:17] <toad_> well, if you could test it that'd be great
[14:17] <mYone> toad_: so when a node is 'too new' it will still transfer, but only the key referring to the newest version?
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[14:18] <Jafet> Apparently Winpooch was interfering with the update script.
[14:19] <toad_> mYone: pretty much
[14:19] <toad_> Jafet: what's Winpooch?
[14:20] <Jafet> Some very very alpha FOSS security hooker for Win32.
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[14:23] <Jafet> Now how does one restart the daemon...
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[15:03] <doink123> Hey guys!
[15:03] <doink123> Is there something funky with freenet or is it normal to get a lot of never connects
[15:04] <Jafet> How long have you been on Freenet?
[15:04] <doink123> just started tosay
[15:04] <doink123> today
[15:04] <toad_> doink123: from #freenet-refs ?
[15:04] <doink123> complete noob :)
[15:04] <doink123> yep
[15:04] <toad_> do you have any working connections?
[15:05] <toad_> did they add your noderef as well as vice versa?
[15:05] <doink123> I hope so, we did swap them...
[15:05] <doink123> but I have no working connections
[15:06] <toad_> does your noderef contain a valid IP address?
[15:06] <toad_> the one you gave them?
[15:06] <doink123> hmmm...
[15:07] <doink123> yep
[15:07] <doink123> just pinged myself, seems to work
[15:09] <toad_> is it a real address? not 192.168.x.y / 10.x.y.z / 127.x.y.z ?
[15:09] <doink123> yeah, it's 88.x.y.z
[15:09] <toad_> :(
[15:10] <toad_> dunno then
[15:10] <doink123> strange
[15:10] <toad_> do you have the JSTUN and UPnP plugins loaded?
[15:10] <doink123> er...dunno...just a sec
[15:11] <doink123> yep
[15:16] <toad_> :|
[15:16] <toad_> dunno
[15:16] <toad_> check wrapper.log
[15:16] <toad_> anything odd?
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[15:19] <doink123> ummm...
[15:19] <doink123> Full Cone NAT handles connections
[15:19] <doink123> what does that mean?
[15:20] <toad_> it means you are more or less directly connected so you shouldn't have any problem connecting
[15:20] <doink123> hmmm
[15:21] <doink123> caught java.lang.NoSuchMethodException: java.net.NetworkInterface.getMTU()
[15:21] <doink123> java problems maybe?
[15:22] <toad_> that one's not a big deal
[15:22] <toad_> although java 1.6 would help
[15:25] <doink123> hmmm...
[15:25] <doink123> guess Im out fo luck
[15:25] <doink123> I mean
[15:25] <doink123> I guess I'm out of luck
[15:25] <toad_> i dunno what the problem is
[15:25] <toad_> come back in a week
[15:25] <doink123> ok
[15:26] <toad_> we'll have it automated by then
[15:26] <toad_> so you won't need #freenet-refs
[15:26] <toad_> and i might be a bit less busy
[15:26] <doink123> oooh
[15:26] <doink123> one last question
[15:26] <doink123> could it be a router?
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[15:29] <toad_> doink123: yes
[15:29] <toad_> doink123: entirely possible, you should forward the FNP ports
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[15:31] <doink123> okay, thanks...I'll try that...
[15:31] <doink123> How do I knoe which ports to open?
[15:34] <mYone> at the bottom of the 'friends' pages it states "ports used by node"
[15:35] <mYone> you'll need to forward the udp port for darknet... and the one for opennet if you intend to use it in the future
[15:43] <doink123> okay, thanks for the help....Im gonna have to wait until I can physically get to the router to change the settings
[15:46] <mYone> doink123: why that? normally they have some kind of webinterface ^^
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[15:54] <zphinx> freenet ref exchange will be automatic in a week?
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[16:01] <toad_> zphinx: yep
[16:01] <toad_> zphinx: if that
[16:01] <zphinx> if that? would it be centralized you mean?
[16:01] <toad_> zphinx: we have code to do it now, we need to deploy a mandatory, test, make a seednodes file, and deploy it
[16:01] <toad_> and yes it's centralised but so is #freenet-refs
[16:02] <zphinx> Wouldnt that be like asking the police to slam with charges for hosting everything from childporn to evil ninja codemonkeys ? meaning if it has a central connection.
[16:03] <zphinx> Like theyve tried with TOR.
[16:03] <zphinx> And the piratebay.
[16:03] <toad_> well, TPB is essentially a central index site
[16:03] <toad_> like Napster
[16:04] <toad_> index of content
[16:04] <toad_> so it's obvious that under US law it's illegal
[16:04] <toad_> fortunately they're not under US law :)
[16:04] <zphinx> Nope, swedish, like me :)
[16:04] <toad_> freenet's central harvesting system is just for bootstrapping, no connection at all to content
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[16:04] <zphinx> They ended up in the childporn filter here for awhile too.. and they arent the only ones.
[16:05] <toad_> so it's no more a cause of liability than making freenet in the first place
[16:05] <toad_> zphinx: the mandatory one, or the commercial ones?
[16:05] <zphinx> the mandatory one.
[16:05] <toad_> the commercial child-protection filters block all sorts of stuff
[16:05] <toad_> zphinx: ugh
[16:05] <toad_> zphinx: on the grounds that they occasionally host child porn for a few minutes before it gets dropped
[16:05] <toad_> i wonder if we're in anyone's filters yet? apart from the chinese :)
[16:06] <toad_> we've always been in the chinese filters :)
[16:06] <zphinx> It's not a very popular filter around here, they tend to put all kinds of crap into it without checking. Not long ago a site about bonzai tree's ended up in it.
[16:06] <toad_> here's a question: should i make the new build mandatory soon (like midnight tonight, 8 hours time), or a bit later (midnight tomorrow) ?
[16:07] <toad_> for those who have auto-update enabled it will make no difference
[16:07] <zphinx> It's a slippery slope, if you filter one thing, you can use it as an excuse to filter another thing.
[16:07] <toad_> for those who have it turned off because of the recent build-flood ...
[16:07] <toad_> zphinx: indeed, our govt said last year it was only for child porn, but are now talking about blocking terrorist materials (whatever that means)
[16:08] <mYone> toad_: i prefer 'a bit later' ;)
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[16:08] <zphinx> toad_: Where are you from?
[16:08] <toad_> how long before copyright infringing sites are blocked? xenu.org? libelous sites?
[16:08] <toad_> zphinx: UK
[16:08] <toad_> mYone: any particular reason?
[16:08] <toad_> mYone: faster development if it's sooner
[16:08] <toad_> that's the main reason for making it soon
[16:08] <zphinx> toad_: not long id say, hence the need for services like freenet, syndie, tor etc.
[16:09] <mYone> toad_: reason: i think its good to give it a it a bit more time... the 'fast updaters' can test it, report possible bugs, etc and the 'complainers' are not forced to update instantly to a maybe buggy build
[16:09] <toad_> well if they care enough to complain, maybe they won't leave over it anyway ? :)
[16:09] <zphinx> There was a law proposal up here in sweden not long ago about giving the police the rights to monitor all traffic passing over swedish borders. What they failed to mention is how much telephone and internet traffic is routed over norway
[16:10] <toad_> problem is even once it's mandatory there will be nodes which have bad clocks etc
[16:10] <toad_> zphinx: :)
[16:10] <zphinx> Luckily it didnt go through.
[16:10] <mYone> toad_: yeah, but i think most people update anyway...
[16:10] <toad_> zphinx: well, if neither side of the conversation involves norwegian citizens, then there's nothing to worry about legally is there? :)
[16:10] <mYone> toad_: maybe 95% ;)
[16:11] <zphinx> toad_: Doesnt matter, as long as the traffic passes swedish borders.
[16:11] * toad_ inserts 1089
[16:14] <toad_> zphinx: the point is the intelligence agencies can probably watch it anyway if it's not their own citizens they're watching
[16:14] <toad_> zphinx: where it gets even more fun is when you get somebody else's spooks to spy on your citizens in exchange for vice versa
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[16:15] <zphinx> The joys of thoughtcontrol goverment.
[16:15] <toad_> okay, 1089 is uploading
[16:15] <toad_> i've always assumed they could be watching internet traffic. hence encryption.
[16:16] <toad_> although a good PKI is a major PITA
[16:16] <zphinx> They are, atleast in denmark :P
[16:16] <zphinx> They passed the data retention law there, the first and last packet of every connection has to be logged.
[16:16] <toad_> there's actual evidence of mass surveillance in a lawsuit in the USA
[16:17] <toad_> until the War on Terror, it was all suspicions and rumours, with plausible denial
[16:17] <zphinx> Carnivore? :P
[16:17] <toad_> echelon etc
[16:17] <toad_> now, we have the European Parliament openly debating the existence of mass surveillance
[16:18] <toad_> and lawsuits in the US accusing the NSA of routing all AT&T traffic through a dark room
[16:18] <zphinx> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnivore_%28software%29
[16:18] <toad_> (that must have cost a fortune)
[16:19] <zphinx> That sounds really scary.
[16:19] <zphinx> Is there any debate in the UK on these matters?
[16:21] <toad_> in the UK we have powers for police inspectors to get traffic data without judicial supervision (iirc for full text it's superintendants), and you can be compelled to give your password/crypto key or face jail time. and if you're a telco (probably includes running a freenet node), you can be compelled to spy on ppl, being sworn to eternal secrecy (which might very well compromise your position in court as there are no exceptions for judicial process)
[16:21] <toad_> but compared to what they do to _people_, what they do to packets nowadays is small fry
[16:22] <toad_> it seems to be blowing over though: everyone knows about it, and while the granted legal surveillance powers won't go away, there isn't the universal support for whatever-it-takes-to-win-the-endless-war-on-terror any more
[16:23] <toad_> the democrats control both houses in the US, that matters in these issues :)
[16:23] <zphinx> im guessing this is why you are a part of the freenet project? :P
[16:23] <toad_> it's one part of it
[16:23] <toad_> another part is the fun technological options for systematic oppression that are rapidly coming online (TCPA etc)
[16:24] <toad_> and various other reasons - the traditional oppressors ($cientology etc)
[16:24] * zphinx googles
[16:25] <toad_> TCPA = trusted computing = remote attestation. i can prove i'm running an operating system you consider trustworthy, so i'm allowed to buy videos / connect to online banking / check my email / connect to the internet ...
[16:25] <zphinx> oh my god.
[16:25] <zphinx> Did they hire orwell to make this shit up?
[16:25] <toad_> total lockdown becomes possible and very appealing for some governments if not all governments
[16:26] <toad_> apart from the minor collateral damage of terminally undermining the free software movement
[16:27] <zphinx> Gues it's time to get a mac.
[16:27] <toad_> lol
[16:27] <toad_> no, don't do that
[16:27] <toad_> mac's have a TPM
[16:27] <toad_> if you buy a mac and put vista on it you've got full blown TCPA already
[16:27] <mYone> ive got a tpm too :)
[16:27] <toad_> very few motherboards have a TPM at the moment, although modern CPUs have some support for it, they still need an external TPM
[16:27] <toad_> laptops often do
[16:28] <toad_> but desktops etc not generally
[16:28] <toad_> except for mac's
[16:28] <mYone> there's even a kernel modules for it... afaik... but i dont know what to do with it ;)
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[16:28] <mYone> just wanted to point out that the TPM alone doesnt do much without a software on the OS side ^^
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[16:28] <toad_> hide stuff in the supposedly tamper proof hardware, and do remote attestation, which has a number of "good" uses despite its obvious darkside bias
[16:29] <toad_> yeah, even software doesn't do much without 1) hardware, 2) sufficient penetration, and 3) co-operative content providers
[16:30] <toad_> however, /. tells us MS is trying to sabotage the HD market in order to get 3); other logical applications is spam-proof webmail
[16:30] <toad_> however, /. tells us MS is trying to sabotage the HD market in order to get 3); other logical applications include spam-proof webmail, online banking, credit card security
[16:30] <toad_> long term, being able to prove that you have all the latest security patches may be a requirement for connecting to the internet
[16:30] <toad_> because obviously if you're running a fully patched legit version of Vista, you're not trojaned :)
[16:31] <toad_> longer term, Trusted operating systems provide essential services for the state/legal system/corporations, such as automatically expunging illegal files wherever they may be
[16:32] <toad_> obviously you'd have to get a court order for it all to be nice and proper
[16:32] <toad_> but it's not such a great leap legally/morally past blocking illegal content on national firewalls, and we're already well down that road
[16:32] <Bombe> Sometimes I fear the future won't be fun.
[16:33] <toad_> oh yeah, it'll be fun. black market hardware, black market networking... you'll have to get your hardware upgrades from a guy called Bob who also does white powder and firearms :|
[16:33] <Bombe> :)
[16:33] <toad_> no fate but what we make, as a wise revolutionary once said... we'll see
[16:34] <Bombe> Yeah.
[16:34] <dbkr> well, at least you'll be ablew to get your hardware and firearms at the same time...
[16:34] <toad_> hehe
[16:34] <Bombe> You could even combine that.
[16:34] <toad_> :)
[16:34] <Bombe> "Drop that gun!" - "But that's my external hard drive!"
[16:35] <toad_> sleep 180m; dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/bomb
[16:35] <toad_> note to any participants in a legal process reading this in the future: READ THE WHOLE CONVERSATION ABOVE!
[16:35] <Bombe> *g*
[16:35] <mYone> lol :D
[16:36] <toad_> FTR blowing stuff up never helps matters
[16:36] <toad_> /dev/bomb would just be for secure data destruction ;)
[16:38] <toad_> anyway, this is why we need a big darknet
[16:38] <toad_> and that is why we need opennet in the short term
[16:38] <toad_> fortunately opennet is 95% complete
[16:39] <toad_> even if this sort of crap doesn't happen here, it's likely to happen in other places
[16:39] <toad_> and if none of it happens, freenet will still be useful: the status quo isn't that great for freedom of speech
[16:39] <toad_> and it's interesting from several other angles
[16:40] <toad_> 1089 is inserted, nobody seems to have upgraded yet ...
[16:40] <toad_> has the node picked up its existence yet?
[16:40] <Ratchet> i have :-)
[16:40] <Nogaso> on the topic of opennet, is a uptime of 24/7 needed to be a seednode (guessing not...)
[16:41] <toad_> Nogaso: it would certainly help
[16:41] <toad_> port forwarding / open connectivity is vital, a reasonably good uptime is probably a good filter criterion
[16:41] <toad_> we'll have to come up with some explicit criteria soon so we can code them into the node
[16:41] <Ratchet> toad_: a lot of people deactivated auto-update during the last releases
[16:42] <toad_> yeah i know, it sucks, we had some biggish problems :|
[16:42] <Ratchet> all of my 15 darknet peers don't update automatically
[16:47] <Ratchet> 1089 is mandatory tonight?
[16:47] <toad_> tomorrow night
[16:47] <Ratchet> ah ok
[16:47] <Tommy[D]> my node does not too.... but thats because the automatic update changes the freenet.jar symlink into a file and changes the wrapper.conf so i am not any more able to simply test trunk builds
[16:47] <toad_> but please upgrade ASAP
[16:48] <Ratchet> i did already
[16:48] <mYone> toad_: my node hastn detected the new update yet :/
[16:48] <toad_> well not just you :)
[16:48] <toad_> Ratchet: manually?
[16:48] <toad_> Ratchet: using the update script?
[16:48] <Ratchet> yes, i always have to update manually (update.sh) until i got the time to compile the wrapper for freebsd
[16:49] <toad_> ah ok
[16:49] <mYone> Ratchet: ah ok, thats different :D
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[16:58] <Tommy[D]> btw: i just saw this: a node was too old, but had option to update to 1088, done it, got option to update to 1089 and it worked too....at least the update to 1089 was downloaded in too old state
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[17:07] <toad_> hehe node stress test: CHK@LOjjmQJiZBnHlm95Bt8dF0V2Enzet5E9X4OGeoH4ghw,RBox7mlDgBQvlHb2aQl5hKGIHweb4p8zRAkU8gOaaJc,AAIC--8/openSUSE-10.3-GM-DVD-x86_64.iso
[17:07] <toad_> thanks to captain insano from frost
[17:11] <mYone> toad_: i've seen that
[17:11] <mYone> toad_: but he already answered to himself
[17:11] <mYone> toad_: that it seems to be broken
[17:12] <toad_> yeah, i've filed a bug ... i'm waiting for my node to finish reindexing its datastore :|
[17:13] <mYone> toad_: but these problems with +4 gb files dont neccessarily have to be a problem with freenet right?
[17:13] <mYone> toad_: could also be related to the file system of the uploader?
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[17:16] <toad_> no, it should have failed to upload if that was the case
[17:16] <toad_> i'll try a debian ISO at some point
[17:16] <toad_> or something
[17:18] * sich have 141Go chk.cache....
[17:18] <sich> without problem
[17:18] <mYone> toad_: report: my node just sucsessfully updated to 1089 ...
[17:18] <toad_> mYone: cool
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[17:30] <Killabee> toad_ nextgens
[17:30] <Killabee> i have a funny problem
[17:30] <toad_> Killabee: hmmm?
[17:30] <Killabee> freenet is not given any errors
[17:31] <Killabee> but it wont do any request
[17:31] <Killabee> on frost no messages
[17:31] <toad_> what happens if you do a request?
[17:31] <Killabee> tis weird and i can't get any freenet site open
[17:31] <Killabee> its loading
[17:31] <Killabee> and loading
[17:31] <Killabee> but i have peers connected
[17:31] <Killabee> but strangers peers
[17:32] <Killabee> are all to old
[17:32] <Killabee> and it seemds
[17:32] <Killabee> -d
[17:32] <Killabee> that the list is not clearing
[17:32] <Killabee> it stays full with non connectable strangers
[17:32] <Tommy[D]> Killabee, thats the reason....
[17:32] <toad_> so let the node update
[17:32] <Tommy[D]> too old => no data transmitted
[17:32] <Killabee> noo
[17:32] <Killabee> i've the newest
[17:32] <toad_> it shoould offer to update
[17:32] <Killabee> version
[17:32] <toad_> what version?
[17:33] <Tommy[D]> Killabee, yes, but the others also need an acutal version, else it wont work
[17:33] <Tommy[D]> so just wait until they have updated
[17:33] <Killabee> 1088
[17:33] <Killabee> but the strangers list
[17:33] <toad_> get 1089
[17:33] <Killabee> is not updating
[17:34] <toad_> :|
[17:34] <toad_> well it will
[17:34] <Killabee> ok
[17:34] <Killabee> i hope so
[17:34] <Killabee> :(
[17:34] <Killabee> buts its verry weird
[17:34] <Killabee> in friends there are 6 connected
[17:35] <toad_> any error messages in wrapper.log?
[17:35] <toad_> anything obvious in ERRORs in logs/* ?
[17:35] <Killabee> lets see
[17:36] <Killabee> not in the wrapper
[17:37] <Tommy[D]> toad_, i think, many people did simply disable autoupdate and did not manualy update until now
[17:37] <Killabee> i update
[17:37] <Killabee> when the frontpage
[17:37] <Killabee> says theres a new version
[17:37] <Tommy[D]> Killabee, yes, you do, but i think, many people dont do it (at least not that fast), so it could last some time until their version is uptodate
[17:38] <Killabee> ok toad_ i've updated
[17:38] <Killabee> again 6 peers connected
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[17:38] <Killabee> im trying to open
[17:38] <Killabee> another index page
[17:38] <Tommy[D]> Killabee, are the peers still shown as "too old"?
[17:39] <Killabee> no
[17:39] <Killabee> there are connected
[17:39] <Killabee> at least my friends are
[17:39] <Killabee> but its not loading any thing
[17:39] <Tommy[D]> Killabee, are you sure, you used 1088? there was a bug in 1087 with "too old" peers, which were not too old
[17:40] <Killabee> well thats not the problem i think
[17:40] <Killabee> caus it doesnt say
[17:40] <Killabee> there to old
[17:40] <Killabee> only all my strangers are to old
[17:40] <Killabee> my friends not
[17:41] <Killabee> but is there a way to manual clear the strangers list
[17:41] <Killabee> so that freenet is gonna search for new strangers?
[17:43] <toad_> yeah, shutdown the node, delete the openpeers file
[17:43] <mYone> Killabee: i suppose you could delete the openpeers* files in your freenet directory, but i have no idea of the impact
[17:43] <mYone> hah ;D
[17:43] <Tommy[D]> what versions are shown for your strangers?
[17:43] <Killabee> to old
[17:43] <Killabee> :p
[17:43] <Tommy[D]> no version?
[17:44] <Tommy[D]> toad_, diable opennet and enable it again wont start from scratch?
[17:44] <Killabee> no allready tried that
[17:44] <Killabee> :p
[17:45] <toad_> Killabee: in advanced mode it should show the version numbers
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[17:46] <Tommy[D]> and for me it does work, some opennet peers are 1088, some are 1089
[17:46] <Killabee> but is that intreseting
[17:46] <Killabee> ..?
[17:46] <Killabee> because
[17:46] <Killabee> my friends are up2date
[17:46] <Killabee> wont freenet just use them
[17:46] <Killabee> ?
[17:47] <Tommy[D]> freenet will use your friends
[17:47] <Tommy[D]> but if you enable opennet, it will also try to use some strangers
[17:47] <toad_> Killabee: well what happens if you just turn opennet off?
[17:47] <Tommy[D]> so that number of friends + number of strangers = 20
[17:47] <toad_> Killabee: you said it wasn't ever succeeding in any request?
[17:47] <Killabee> indeed toad_
[17:48] <Killabee> ok disable strangers now
[17:48] <Killabee> now trying index site
[17:50] <Killabee> nop no site
[17:50] <Killabee> :(
[17:50] <toad_> well what happens?
[17:51] <Killabee> nothing
[17:52] <Killabee> blank site
[17:52] <nextgens> sleon_> please update your node
[17:52] <Killabee> blanco
[17:52] <NEOatNHNG> Killabee, how long did you wait?
[17:53] <Killabee> to long for such know site :)
[17:53] <toad_> Killabee: so it loads, but is blank?
[17:53] <Killabee> yes
[17:53] <NEOatNHNG> was it still loading?
[17:53] <toad_> Killabee: it stops loading?
[17:53] <Killabee> yes
[17:54] <toad_> Killabee: restart browser
[17:54] <Killabee> no
[17:54] <Killabee> but before
[17:54] <Killabee> site site was much quicker
[17:54] <toad_> Killabee: does it stop loading?
[17:54] <Killabee> with the same peers
[17:54] <toad_> i had a browser bug, it would show the title but not the page
[17:54] <toad_> restarting the browser fixed it
[17:54] <toad_> try that
[17:55] <Killabee> ok will try
[17:55] <Killabee> using another browser
[17:55] <Killabee> firefox
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[18:03] <Killabee> toad_
[18:03] <Killabee> srill loading
[18:04] <Killabee> thats not good
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[18:10] <toad_> Killabee: there should be some kind of error message
[18:10] <toad_> Killabee: maybe an ERROR in logs/freenet-latest.log
[18:10] <toad_> Killabee: failing that, maybe a deadlock - get a stack dump from the statistics page
[18:11] <toad_> there's a button on the stats page
[18:11] <toad_> Zothar: hi
[18:11] <Killabee> ok
[18:11] <Killabee> first gonna eat :)
[18:13] <Zothar> toad_: hi
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[18:22] <Killabee> ahh toad_
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[18:22] <Killabee> oops
[18:22] <Killabee> that was to much data
[18:22] <Killabee> :D
[18:22] <Killabee> [19:13:41] <Killabee> dec 06, 2007 18:13:18:199 (freenet.node.NodeDispatcher, UdpSocketHandler packet receiver thread for Darknet port 55968, NORMAL): Rejecting request from 130.89.162.43:11931 preemptively because Input bandwidth liability
[18:22] <Nogaso> post logs to bulix or similar :)
[18:22] <Killabee> don't really know that that is
[18:22] <Nogaso> go to code.bulix.org
[18:23] <Nogaso> paste the log into there and post the link here
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[18:25] <Tommy[D]> Killabee, those lines with "NORMAL in them are not needed, only those with ERROR IN THEM ;)
[18:25] <Killabee> well there is no errors
[18:25] <Killabee> :p
[18:25] <Tommy[D]> linux or windows?
[18:25] <Killabee> windows
[18:25] <Tommy[D]> and how old is the file/how big?
[18:26] <Killabee> o wow
[18:26] <Killabee> i decreased
[18:26] <Killabee> the output limit
[18:26] <Killabee> from 8169 to
[18:26] <Killabee> 1024
[18:26] <Killabee> and i get data
[18:27] <Killabee> 1096K
[18:27] <Killabee> that
[18:27] <Tommy[D]> whats the limit of your connection?
[18:27] <Killabee> 100mbit
[18:30] <Killabee> its a datacenter serv
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[18:32] <Tommy[D]> and your input limit?
[18:32] <Killabee> -1
[18:33] <Killabee> of do you mean
[18:33] <Killabee> my connection
[18:33] <Killabee> i have there 100mbit fullduplex
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[18:33] <Tommy[D]> hm, looks like a but, can your reproduce it?
[18:33] <Tommy[D]> so set the limit back to the old value and see if you can get something?
[18:33] <Tommy[D]> s/but/bug/g
[18:34] <Killabee> haha lets see
[18:35] <Killabee> well Tommy[D] if i restore my old value
[18:35] <Killabee> it still works
[18:35] <Killabee> :P
[18:37] <Killabee> well it works :)
[18:37] <Killabee> i'm happy
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[18:54] <maria6> Escriba el texto aqu....where is the nodos freenet,please
[18:54] <martini1983> nabend
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[19:42] <toad_> Killabee: so it's all working now?
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[19:55] <doink123> hey toad...we spoke earlier...I was having problems connecting
[19:55] <doink123> I just wanted to say I got it fixed
[19:55] <doink123> thanks for your help
[19:56] <mYone> doink123: what was the problem?
[19:56] <doink123> you as well mYone...thanks for the help
[19:56] <doink123> I had multiple versions of Freenet installed
[19:56] <doink123> 3 of them actually...
[19:57] <doink123> once I uninstalled them and reinstalled one copy everything worked out better
[19:57] <mYone> great! :)
[19:57] <doink123> although...is it just me or do very few of the sites woek on Freenet?
[19:57] <doink123> *work
[19:58] <mYone> doink123: at the beginning when your node is not so well integrated in the network it can be difficult to retrieve content
[19:58] <mYone> doink123: this will definetly improve
[19:58] <doink123> ok, cool
[19:58] <doink123> I presume the more friends the better, as well?
[19:58] <mYone> doink123: but most activity is on frost anyway
[19:58] <doink123> I still don't understand frost :)
[19:59] <mYone> doink123: yep... in a way...
[19:59] <mYone> doink123: you can also activate opennet mode to get more connections if you dont have to keep it a secret that you are running freenet
[20:00] <doink123> cool
[20:00] <doink123> okay, thanks for the help
[20:00] <mYone> doink123: and frost is not that difficult to understand, you'll get used to it ;)
[20:00] <mYone> doink123: np
[20:01] <doink123> cool
[20:01] <doink123> ty, c ya
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[21:18] <Killabee> yes toad_
[21:18] <Killabee> it is working again
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[21:36] <greycat> Does "The public index" still exist, and if so, what's its key?
[21:36] <Bombe> Well, it's still out there somewhere but it hasn't been updated since quite some time.
[21:36] <greycat> Is there something else that people are using in place of it?
[21:37] <Bombe> Kind of.
[21:37] <Bombe> http://localhost:8888/USK@zQyF2O1o8B4y40w7Twz8y2I9haW3d2DTlxjTHPu7zc8,h2mhQNNE9aQvF~2yKAmKV1uorr7141-QOroBf5hrlbw,AQACAAE/AnotherIndex/38/
[21:37] <Bombe> http://localhost:8888/USK@0I8gctpUE32CM0iQhXaYpCMvtPPGfT4pjXm01oid5Zc,3dAcn4fX2LyxO6uCnWFTx-2HKZ89uruurcKwLSCxbZ4,AQACAAE/Ultimate-Freenet-Index/6/
[21:37] <Bombe> These two are pretty recent.
[21:37] <greycat> thanks!
[21:38] <Bombe> They should appear in your bookmark list, too.
[21:39] <greycat> My bookmarks only had a copy of "TPI" and it wasn't even working. The node gave an invalid URI error.
[21:39] <Bombe> You should update more often. ;)
[21:39] <greycat> I update the node fairly often (1-2 times a week), but I seldom actually use it.
[21:40] <Bombe> Hmm... since a couple of days you should have the default bookmark set in addition to your custom bookmarks on the homepage...
[21:40] <greycat> 2007-12-05 21:02 ../freenet-r16355-snapshot.jar
[21:41] <Nogaso_> but only if there are no other bookmarks, right? since he had one already...
[21:41] <Bombe> I'm not sure how the default bookmark set code works. :)
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[21:51] <toad_> hi
[21:54] <mikeDOTd> are there any load average issues associated with 1089?
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[21:54] <mikeDOTd> i seem to be running a load average of 50 right now
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[21:57] <Nogaso_> I've got 0.88 atm, haven't noticed anything special with 1089...
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[21:58] <mikeDOTd> i see lot of: Requeueing 7 messages because of 'WouldBlockException(2)' on freenet.node.OpennetPeerNode.....
[22:00] <Nogaso_> can't help you with those, sorry
[22:02] <toad_> mikeDOTd: hmmm
[22:02] <toad_> load average: 1.31, 1.42, 1.53
[22:03] <Zothar> mikeDOTd: about the only way to directly lower load average numbers is to reduce the thread limit, though perhaps toad has a better idea
[22:03] <toad_> no problems here (that's with other stuff running too)
[22:03] <toad_> but if your getting requeueing problems, that might be related
[22:03] <mikeDOTd> normally the load was less than 1, sometimes 2 when a lot of things were going on. this is definately abnormal from my experiance.
[22:04] <toad_> get a stack dump
[22:04] <toad_> send me it
[22:04] <mikeDOTd> sure thing
[22:05] <mikeDOTd> thread or JE dump?
[22:05] <toad_> what's the difference?
[22:06] <mikeDOTd> good question. but both options are listed under freenet's /stats/ page
[22:06] <toad_> ah
[22:06] <toad_> thread dump
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[22:39] <toad_> mikeDOTd: you are running the XMLSpider. that tends to cause high load on the node, especially for some time after startup.
[22:40] <toad_> mikeDOTd: it appears to be in the stage shortly after startup of reading all the stuff it's already downloaded mostly from the datastore. this will take a while and will stress the PC fairly heavily.
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[23:05] <myp> Hello there I'm now fairly sure my question isn't answered in the FAQ. My browser can't reach the start page but the install went ok. When I tried to start the node it says the service is not installed or not available. I'm running Win2K did i need to install it in administrator mode? do i need to run it that way? Do any Moz addons affect the system?
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[23:15] <myp> I'll come back layer
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[23:17] <toad_> much frost traffic lately?
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[23:30] <zphinx> So now more ref hunting is needed now?
[23:30] <zphinx> no*
[23:39] <toad_> zphinx: soon
[23:39] <toad_> zphinx: we're working on it
[23:39] <toad_> zphinx: if you have say 10 nodes now then you don't need any more refs
[23:40] <toad_> ref hunting will be gone as soon as we've tested and deployed announcement
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