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[0:15] <seekerovdastuff> how many open net peers can i have?
[0:16] <NEOatNHNG> 20
[0:16] <seekerovdastuff> runing at once or total in my list?
[0:17] <NEOatNHNG> the disconnected ones will be trashed automatically
[0:17] <seekerovdastuff> ahh kk ..
[0:17] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: afaik, your node keeps a list of more then 20 known opennet peers, but only connects to 20 max
[0:17] <seekerovdastuff> ok good .. i like that answer better ..
[0:25] <toad_> if you have less than 20 friends, and opennet is enabled, it will connect to more strangers to make up to 20 peers.
[0:25] <toad_> if you have more than 20 friends, it doesn't connect to strangers
[0:25] <toad_> in both cases this refers to connected friends.
[0:25] <toad_> it remembers 50 old-opennet-peers, connects to them if it can't connect to anyone else
[0:26] <toad_> however this won't work well on many systems because of NAT :(
[0:26] <mYone> thanks for the long explanation toad_ , thats what i thought :)
[0:27] <seekerovdastuff> good to know .. tnks
[0:28] <mYone> toad_: hows the behaviour of the node concerning opennet peers? are sometimes randomly connections disconnected/dropped or only when the other peer goes offline and then a new connection with one of the old-peers established?
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[0:29] <NEOatNHNG> toad_, what are active links? I'm currently translating the bookmark-manager and staggered over it, (tranlation ready in about 15 min.)
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[0:29] <toad_> mYone: we prefer to drop disconnected peers in most cases. we will drop non-disconnected peers in a least-recently-useful order, subject to some conditions.
[0:29] <toad_> NEOatNHNG: active-link = small icon for a bookmark
[0:29] <mYone> toad_: conditions like location, pingtime, and stuff?
[0:30] <toad_> in 0.5 the icon would only show if the site had been inserted that day
[0:30] <toad_> mYone: nah, just churn reduction stuff. in terms of routing, it's LRU.
[0:30] <NEOatNHNG> ah ok thank you, know them (but not the expression for them)
[0:30] <toad_> in 0.7, the icon may preload the site
[0:30] <toad_> but it doesn't have much more function than that
[0:32] <mYone> toad_: churn reduction?
[0:32] <toad_> mYone: don't drop it too early etc
[0:32] <toad_> make sure a new connection has a chance to prove itself
[0:32] <toad_> don't drop any connection unless there have been at least 10 successful requests since the last drop
[0:33] <toad_> stuff to moderate connection churn
[0:33] <toad_> bbiab
[0:33] <mYone> could you define 'connection churn' ? dictionary doesnt have a very good translation for it (doesnt make sense)
[0:34] <seekerovdastuff> so how does the message thing work .. when i send a message or when sent a messae how does it "pop up?"
[0:35] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: what are you talking about?
[0:36] <seekerovdastuff> N2NTM i think .. it is
[0:38] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: yeah, thats just node2node messaging ;) not very important and not very anonymous ^^ it will pop up on the receivers fproxy home page
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[0:40] <seekerovdastuff> kk ... can somone msg me?? im unknown ... if yah have me as friend mYone ;)
[0:41] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: nope can't, dont have you added as a friend ...
[0:42] <seekerovdastuff> hrm .. did we add as ano?
[0:42] <seekerovdastuff> err strangers
[0:42] <seekerovdastuff> ok well i guess i will get some friends then ...
[0:44] <toad_> mYone: if we drop connections and add new ones too quickly, Bad Things happen
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[1:47] <seekerovdastuff> to quiet to long ..
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[2:41] <seekerovdastuff> ttfn
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[7:52] <Pertel> Hi, does anyone want to swap refs?
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[13:18] <sback> ./no
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[15:16] <mYone> another thing i wanted to ask: why is the default upload speed when installing freenet set to only 15K... seems a bit low?
[15:19] <mYone> wouldnt it be better to ask for a upload speed after installation? there may be many newcomers who have broadband connections but never change the speed
[15:23] <toad_> mYone: ask when?
[15:23] <toad_> mYone: how would we detect that they have a new kind of internet connection?
[15:24] <mYone> toad_: generally, after installation, we should ask for the upload speed freenet should use...
[15:24] <mYone> toad_: not just set an arbitrary limit of 15K
[15:26] <mYone> toad_: (at least thats what i think it was set to, after installing, maybe i remember incorrectly, havent tested it again to make sure)
[15:30] <mYone> bbl
[15:30] <toad_> mYone: we do
[15:30] <toad_> mYone: we ask in the first time wizard
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[15:37] <mYone> toad_: hmmm, i dont remember that wizard, maybe i skipped it somehow... but i dont remember setting it to 15K by hand either...
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[16:08] <anonym> hallo
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[16:10] <anonym> hallo
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[16:11] <anonym> hallo
[16:11] <anonym> ^halo?
[16:12] <toad_> hallo
[16:14] <anonym> ah
[16:14] <anonym> Hast du ein Freenetknoten
[16:15] <toad_> #freenet-refs for node refs, #freenet-de fur sprecke deutsch
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[16:18] <Nogaso> hi
[16:18] <toad_> hi
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[16:20] <Bombe> Hi, sanity.
[16:20] <sanity> hi Bombe
[16:23] <toad_> hi sanity
[16:23] <sanity> hi toad
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[16:34] <anonym> Hallo i nead an Freenet adress
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[16:34] <toad_> lol
[16:34] <toad_> that's patience for you!
[16:35] <toad_> no response in 60 seconds, i'm outta here
[16:35] <toad_> :)
[16:35] <dbkr> doesn't bode well for using freenet ;)
[16:38] <Zothar_Work> I guess that means that the 30 minute sitcom format should be reduce to 60 seconds because of attention span issues...
[16:39] <dbkr> I would agree, but I drifted off half way through that sentence ;)
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[16:43] <Zothar_Work> heh
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[16:59] <toad_> please could some folk test trunk?
[16:59] <toad_> would be very helpful
[16:59] <atomicplayboy> what is trunk?
[17:03] <Nogaso> toad: anything specific to look for?
[17:09] <Cooo> Updating to trunk
[17:21] <Cooo> r15966 says "WelcomeToadlet: refresh the page after 20 sec when the node is restarting" Mine seems to refresh every 5-6 seconds. On a slow comp that might mean slower startups cause of browser stealing a lot of cpu.
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[17:30] <Cooo> My startup of freenet took about 1 and 1/2 minute longer now with the refresh :( I might have some more things running on my comp now than last startup though. What is worse is that a got a page not found, probably somewhere between switching from WelcomeToadlet to the normal Fproxy, that is not good :(
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[17:45] <Zothar_Work> atomicplayboy: update.sh testing or update.cmd testing depending on your platform
[17:45] <Zothar_Work> atomicplayboy: it's the place where unstable changes made by developers are put before releasing a new "stable" version
[17:48] <saces> on startup it is this kind of redirect that hurts my browser and causes crashes.
[17:55] <atomicplayboy> Zothar_Work: OK
[17:59] <atomicplayboy> what does it mean as almost every friend I have in my darknet is "backedoff"?
[18:03] <toad_> Cooo: odd
[18:03] <Cooo> toad_: Yep.
[18:03] <toad_> rehi anyway
[18:04] <atomicplayboy> or are there any complete manuals available?
[18:04] <toad_> no
[18:04] <toad_> backed off = busy
[18:05] <toad_> it's not good, but it's not unusual either
[18:06] <atomicplayboy> is there anything I can do as some of them are busy almost all the time
[18:07] <atomicplayboy> are they having too many cottectiens compared to their bandwidth?
[18:07] <atomicplayboy> I have allocated 100kBps so I hope that it's enough, maximum what I could allocate is around 200kBps
[18:08] <dbkr> it's your peers' fault, not yours
[18:09] <atomicplayboy> ok
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[18:41] <Cooo> toad_: Good :) That should probably fix it.
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[19:01] <toad_> doh
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[23:04] <toad_> any trunk testers around? Zothar was reporting the current testing build causing major bandwidth use above the limits?
[23:05] <toad_> naturally, it doesn't happen for me ... :|
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