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[0:02] <saces> toad_: I have inserted a KSK with a few bytes text, I thought its a monolithe, but it is a redirect ("ksk@testinger")
[0:03] <atomicplayboy> toad_: okay :)
[0:03] <toad_> saces: yeah
[0:04] <toad_> saces: well, you inserted it with a mime type
[0:05] <nextgens> PhilKC> may you get mYone a freenet/user/mYone cloack please ?
[0:05] <PhilKC> Done.
[0:05] <nextgens> thanks
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[0:10] <seekerovdastuf> i am using a web based irc applet ... so not sure if i can download from here but i am looking for a seednode file for 0.5 freenet .. can anyone help me please ..
[0:12] <seekerovdastuf> any assistance with seednode.ref for 0.5 ??
[0:12] <saces> this one is better : KSK@testinger2
[0:12] <nextgens> seekerovdastuf> they are some on http://downloads.freenetproject.org
[0:14] <seekerovdastuf> i dont seem to be building any networking ... the links in gateway dont show up nor does frost update with news ... i am on cable so i was speculating that the nodes were dead .
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[0:14] <r00t_> hi
[0:14] <r00t_> I have a problem
[0:14] <r00t_> at univerisy
[0:14] <r00t_> I cannot connect to freenet at all
[0:14] <r00t_> :(
[0:15] <toad_> :|
[0:16] <toad_> you're probably behind an application-proxy-only firewall ... are you able to open connections to the internet?
[0:20] <r00t_> I'm able to open tor connections
[0:20] <Tommy[D]> oh, that nice guy from last night again
[0:20] <nextgens> seekerovdastuf> the seednode script prunes dead for long nodes
[0:20] <r00t_> and to all over the place
[0:21] <r00t_> toad_: is stenography needed to defeat this filtering?
[0:21] <r00t_> *and Tor all over the place
[0:21] * toad_ sets mode +o Cooo
[0:21] <r00t_> ut oh
[0:21] * toad_ sets mode +o Tommy[D]
[0:21] <r00t_> Cool is op
[0:22] <toad_> r00t_: well, find out how exactly it blocks it. it might just be NATed in which case you can get connected if both sides know the other's ip:port
[0:22] <r00t_> toad_: can we swap refs again?
[0:23] <r00t_> I cant use videogames in the uni anymore either
[0:23] <r00t_> I used to beable to
[0:23] <r00t_> maybe all udp is blocked
[0:23] <r00t_> except
[0:23] <r00t_> DNS
[0:23] <toad_> that's possible
[0:24] <seekerovdastuf> how would i go about testing the node to see if its actually connecting??
[0:25] * unitypunk (i=unitypun@) Quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
[0:25] <seekerovdastuf> oh .. i have a hub ... forgot to mention that
[0:25] <nextgens> seekerovdastuf> .5 is not supported, you're on your own
[0:26] <nextgens> get .7 if you need support :)
[0:26] <r00t_> oh snap!
[0:26] <r00t_> shut down!
[0:26] <r00t_> .5 has broken encryption IIRC
[0:27] <r00t_> funny... months before the FBI or someone said that "freenet is allready compromised" never told how
[0:27] <r00t_> had to find out ourselves
[0:28] <seekerovdastuf> i have to ask then ... not understanding the source and its functionality .. where is the security in .7?
[0:29] <r00t_> seekerovdastuf: the encryption is not broken in .7
[0:29] <r00t_> as far as is known
[0:30] <r00t_> hi?
[0:30] <r00t_> anyone here?
[0:30] <r00t_> should I reconnect?
[0:30] * r00t_ (n=r00t@) Quit ("Reconnecting")
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[0:31] <nextgens> seekerovdastuf> what don't you understand ?
[0:32] <r00t_> nextgens: why is the channel so slow today?
[0:32] <r00t_> it's usually more lively
[0:32] <seekerovdastuf> well .. how is it ano if your visable to connecting nodes .. any and all nodes that access through yours is viewable...
[0:33] <seekerovdastuf> or u r saying do to the content being secure nobody knows we r sending top secret mpothball recipes to alkida??
[0:35] <nextgens> seekerovdastuf> you don't understand the security model of freenet
[0:35] <nextgens> your ISP knows who you are connecting to
[0:35] <nextgens> whether you use opennet/darknet/.5/.7
[0:35] <nextgens> freenet makes it hard for him to identify and trace what your actions on the network are
[0:36] <nextgens> freenet isn't about hidding traffic
[0:36] <seekerovdastuf> so you r saying its like a lil funnel to and from my comp .. the access is vissable but the content and to whom the content is send is unknown?
[0:36] <nextgens> yes
[0:36] <nextgens> that's what I'm saying
[0:37] <toad_> r00t_: we fixed the weak keys in 0.5
[0:37] <seekerovdastuf> ok .. that makes sence .. so the recomendation is to have freenet run from an encrypted drive so as the secure the data from this funnel point on my side ..
[0:37] <r00t_> ok
[0:37] <r00t_> toad_: want to swap refs?
[0:37] <toad_> r00t_: i /msg'ed you
[0:37] <toad_> r00t_: you didn't reply
[0:37] <r00t_> I did
[0:37] <toad_> r00t_: having problems?
[0:37] <toad_> [00:18] <toad_> you wanted to exchange refs?
[0:37] <toad_> [00:24] <-- r00t_ has left this server ("Reconnecting").
[0:37] <r00t_> I'm not registeded with NS
[0:38] <r00t_> let me see if I can find an unused nick
[0:38] * r00t_ is now known as r00tonemillion
[0:38] <r00tonemillion> ok there we go
[0:38] <r00tonemillion> did you get my msg now?
[0:39] <seekerovdastuf> thank you for your info ... cleared things up for me .. you all have a good morn/day/night ..
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[0:40] <dr_makis> i was wondering, does it really matter at all if all of your peers are distributed very near you in the graph in statistics?
[0:40] <nextgens> dr_makis> that's how it's supposed to be
[0:40] <dr_makis> can you elaborate on that a little bit?
[0:41] <dr_makis> i'm not very familiar with such topologies
[0:41] <nextgens> I suggest you read the papers on your website :)
[0:42] <dr_makis> does it mention how the location is being chosen?
[0:43] <r00tonemillion> nextgens: are we connected through freenet refs?
[0:44] <nextgens> dr_makis> the initial location is random, the swapping algorithm is described in the papers
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[0:45] <nextgens> r00tonemillion> I don't understand the question
[0:45] <r00tonemillion> nextgens: you run a freenet node right?
[0:45] <nextgens> yes
[0:45] <r00tonemillion> did we trade refs?
[0:45] <nextgens> no
[0:45] <r00tonemillion> could we?
[0:45] <nextgens> no.
[0:45] * amphibian is now known as toad_
[0:45] <r00tonemillion> why not?
[0:45] * ChanServ sets mode +o toad_
[0:45] <nextgens> well, we could
[0:45] <r00tonemillion> hi toad_
[0:45] <nextgens> but we won't
[0:45] <r00tonemillion> why not?
[0:45] <r00tonemillion> do you not trust me?
[0:46] <nextgens> for many different reasons, the first one beeing that I'm a big meanie who doesn't like you
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[0:47] <r00tonemillion> why don't you like me?
[0:48] <r00tonemillion> I think you're ok
[0:48] <r00tonemillion> and I think I'm trustworthy, I've been around for years and have never hurt freenet or any opensource project
[0:49] <mYone> "Output Rate: 1.73 KiB/sec (of 120 KiB)" --> Is it normal that my node sometimes stays at such low levels for quite some time while being connected to more than 10 peers?
[0:50] <r00tonemillion> nextgens: seriously, I've been on and off freenet for years
[0:50] <nextgens> r00tonemillion> everyone has to trust devs... devs don't have to trust everyone, get used to it
[0:51] <nextgens> mYone> it might be normal, yes, if there is no data to transfert, then the node doesn't transfert any
[0:53] <mYone> nextgens: yeah now its up again to 50K... but its still strange , because i have a test-insert running
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[1:06] <toad_> mYone: it's probably bad...
[1:08] <dr_makis> i've ran the update script and it's stalled at "shuting down freenet" for a few minutes now... is that normal?
[1:09] <mYone> dr_makis: afaik it can take some time... wait a few more minutes
[1:09] <busty_rucket> are there any other irc channels for swapping refs besides freenet-refs?
[1:10] <mYone> busty_rucket: nope... why do you need more?
[1:10] <busty_rucket> it's kinda quiet there atm plus im' just starting out at this.
[1:13] <mYone> busty_rucket: most of the time there are some bots in #freenet-ref who automatically swap refs with you. and you can always activate opennet mode. then your node will do the ref swapping
[1:14] <busty_rucket> oh ok, thanks.
[1:22] <busty_rucket> opennet would increase the speed at which i browse things correct?
[1:22] <toad_> probably
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[1:29] <seekerovdastuff> next question at hand .. I installed .7 but no icon in system tray .. thats a bummer .. as well as .. i have no nodes .. where do i get my node info to give and who is giving me a node??
[1:29] <Tommy[D]> did you open http://localhost:8888 ?
[1:30] <Tommy[D]> did you run the wizard?
[1:30] <seekerovdastuff> yes ..
[1:30] <seekerovdastuff> on both yes
[1:31] <dr_makis> seekerovdastuff: join #freenet-ref for exchanging references. Yours can be found at http://127.0.0.1:8888/friends/
[1:31] <Tommy[D]> so next step is getting peers, if you have friends you trust, trade Darknet refs, else enable opennet in the configuration and trade at least 1 opennet ref, after that, freenet should do the rest
[1:31] <dr_makis> #freenet-refs sorry
[1:32] <seekerovdastuff> kk .. ill check them
[1:33] <dr_makis> (btw my update script is still "shuting down" after 25 minutes :P should i still not be worried?)
[1:34] <Tommy[D]> does freenet run?
[1:34] <mYone> dr_makis: 25 minutes is excessive ;)
[1:35] <mYone> dr_makis: i guess you should try to kill the process and start again
[1:35] <mYone> dr_makis: ...maybe...
[1:35] <mYone> ^^
[1:35] <dr_makis> hehe :D
[1:36] <dr_makis> it seems to be working with the hdd, though (compressing?)
[1:37] <mYone> dr_makis: hmmm ok, then wait
[1:37] <mYone> dr_makis: do you have a big data store or something like that?
[1:37] * mYone just guessing ^^
[1:37] <dr_makis> 1G cache so far
[1:37] <dr_makis> most of it has been created in the last run
[1:38] <dr_makis> and i'm in no super-fast machine (1.6GHz), perhaps that's why, but strangely i don't see high cpu%
[1:39] <mYone> dr_makis: hmmm... i have no idea ... but as you suggested , the hdd usage could indicate that freenet is still working on something
[1:41] <mYone> but if theres heavy hdd usage its not suspicious that there's low cpu usage... hdd is slow ;)
[1:45] <dr_makis> solved. I hadn't closed frost and that somehow didn't allow it to continue (and was causing the hdd usage, which was rather mild, not heavy)
[1:45] <dr_makis> :P
[1:46] <mYone> good! :)
[1:48] <r00tonemillion> http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:ouZr_0jM-KkJ:emu.freenetproject.org/irc/index.php%3Fdate%3D2007-02-12+Resource+not+found+in+jar+file:+/i18n/langres_us.properties&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us
[1:48] <r00tonemillion> help
[1:49] <r00tonemillion> how do I change the java locale from us to english
[1:49] <r00tonemillion> 27-Nov-07 3:37:19 AM frost.util.gui.translation.FrostResourceBundleReader loadBundle
[1:49] <r00tonemillion> SEVERE: Resource not found in jar file: /i18n/langres_us.properties
[1:49] <r00tonemillion> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: java.util.concurrent.Semaphore at frost.storage.database.applayer.AppLayerDatabase$ConnectionPool.<init>(AppLayerDatabase.java:310)
[1:49] <r00tonemillion>
[1:49] <r00tonemillion> frost hates the USA
[1:49] <r00tonemillion> so I need to trick it into thinking I'm a limey
[1:49] <r00tonemillion> how do I do this?
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[1:51] <r00tonemillion> how do I do this
[1:52] * oogrr (n=aa@) Quit ()
[1:52] * r00tonemillion tries
[1:52] <r00tonemillion> LANG=en sh frost.sh
[1:53] * seekerovdastuff (n=seekerov@) Quit ("Java user signed off")
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[1:54] <r00tonemillion> fuck
[1:54] <r00tonemillion> didn't work
[1:54] <seekerovdastuff> ok ... da slow guys back ... how an i suposed to enter in a multiline node ref in a single line field in irc box??
[1:55] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: paste your ref on http://dark-code.bulix.org/ and trade the link in #freenet-refs
[1:58] <seekerovdastuff> ok tnks ... got that and got a link ..
[1:59] <seekerovdastuff> nobody to trade it with in there ..
[2:00] <mYone> most times there are some bots available... for example mine... but i only trade opennet refs
[2:00] <r00tonemillion> SEVERE: Resource not found in jar file: /i18n/langres_us.properties
[2:00] <r00tonemillion> (.:11462): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[2:00] <r00tonemillion> Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[2:00] <r00tonemillion> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: java.util.concurrent.Semaphore
[2:00] <r00tonemillion> at frost.storage.database.applayer.AppLayerDatabase$ConnectionPool.<init>(AppLayerDatabase.java:310)
[2:00] <r00tonemillion> at frost.storage.database.applayer.AppLayerDatabase.<init>(AppLayerDatabase.java:68)
[2:01] <r00tonemillion> at frost.storage.database.applayer.AppLayerDatabase.initialize(AppLayerDatabase.java:147)
[2:01] <r00tonemillion> at frost.Core.initialize(Core.java:304)
[2:01] <r00tonemillion> at frost.Frost.<init>(Frost.java:209)
[2:01] <r00tonemillion> at frost.Frost.main(Frost.java:60)
[2:01] <r00tonemillion> r00t@debian:~/stuff/freenet/frost$
[2:01] <r00tonemillion> please help
[2:01] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: (i only want to add darknet refs of people i can really trust... to gradually get into a real 'darknet' state)
[2:03] <seekerovdastuff> what an ordeal .. seems disfunctional ..
[2:03] <r00tonemillion> yea
[2:03] <seekerovdastuff> feelin like a retard ..
[2:03] <seekerovdastuff> i am i mean
[2:04] <r00tonemillion> mYone: what if your trusted peeps are really FBI peeps?
[2:04] <seekerovdastuff> tech support for over 7 yrs and im a slow mo..
[2:04] <seekerovdastuff> so encrypt your data .. i am going to .. think im gona trust anyone?!?
[2:05] <seekerovdastuff> freenet runing insiide a virtual pc on an encrypted drive
[2:06] <toad_> hehe
[2:06] <seekerovdastuff> so whats do i do now?? ive already twiddled my thumbs..
[2:07] <toad_> seekerovdastuff: you use the multiline box
[2:07] <toad_> seekerovdastuff: there's a big multiline box
[2:07] <toad_> into which you can put a full noderef
[2:07] <seekerovdastuff> yeah did that .. http://dark-code.bulix.org/6ga6j4-62660?raw
[2:07] <seekerovdastuff> but who do i give it to??
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[2:07] <toad_> #freenet-refs
[2:07] <seekerovdastuff> the bots are mad i tell yah .. gotta register to swap ano .. hrm .. counterptoductive
[2:07] <toad_> exchange refs there
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> sh frost.sh
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> at java.lang.VMClassLoader.nativeDefineClass (VMClassLoader.java)
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> at java.lang.VMClassLoader.defineClass (VMClassLoader.java:130)
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass (ClassLoader.java:679)
[2:08] <toad_> use a bot if you need to
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass (SecureClassLoader.java:108)
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass (URLClassLoader.java:955)
[2:08] <mYone> toad_: i already told him that
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass (ClassLoader.java:359)
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> at java.lang.ClassLoader$1.loadClass (ClassLoader.java:1333)
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass (ClassLoader.java:310)
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> at java.lang.VirtualMachine.main (VirtualMachine.java:99)
[2:08] <toad_> r00tonemillion: no idea
[2:08] <r00tonemillion>
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> now I cant run java at all
[2:08] <toad_> r00tonemillion: debug it :|
[2:08] * n0ob (n=travis@) Quit (Nick collision from services.)
[2:08] <toad_> hmmmm are you running sun java?
[2:08] <seekerovdastuff> i sent the text to a bot .. they say register with nisckserve
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> no
[2:08] * nooby is now known as n0ob
[2:08] <r00tonemillion> gjc
[2:08] <toad_> that's why then
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[2:08] <r00tonemillion> but now it is just broke completely
[2:09] <toad_> you need sun java
[2:09] <toad_> sorry
[2:09] <r00tonemillion> that's not OSS
[2:09] <seekerovdastuff> ok .. sigh ... i do however apreciate your guyses patiance ...
[2:09] <toad_> r00tonemillion: true. you could maybe try icedtea.
[2:09] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: you can only send private messages if you are registered in irc
[2:10] * n0ob (n=travis@) Quit (Client Quit)
[2:10] <seekerovdastuff> ok ..
[2:10] <r00tonemillion> Freenet doesn't work anymore either
[2:10] * nooby is now known as n0ob
[2:10] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: you can register your nick with this command "/ns register <password>"
[2:11] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: where <password> should be replaced by your desired password ;)
[2:11] * toad_ (n=toad@) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
[2:11] <seekerovdastuff> ok done .. tnks ..
[2:11] <seekerovdastuff> im one of those guys that needs his hand held once .. after that i got it ..
[2:11] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: no problem ;)
[2:12] <r00tonemillion> ok I had to get rid of sable vm
[2:12] <Bombe> Someone uses a JRE that's too old.
[2:12] <Bombe> r00tonemillion, bad luck, then.
[2:13] <r00tonemillion> ok frost came up
[2:13] <r00tonemillion> and then
[2:13] <r00tonemillion> SEVERE: Resource not found in jar file: /i18n/langres_us.properties
[2:13] <r00tonemillion> (.:15076): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library.
[2:13] <r00tonemillion> Using the fallback 'C' locale.
[2:13] <r00tonemillion> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: java.util.concurrent.Semaphore
[2:13] <r00tonemillion> at frost.storage.database.applayer.AppLayerDatabase$ConnectionPool.<init>(AppLayerDatabase.java:310)
[2:13] <r00tonemillion> at frost.storage.database.applayer.AppLayerDatabase.<init>(AppLayerDatabase.java:68)
[2:13] <r00tonemillion> at frost.storage.database.applayer.AppLayerDatabase.initialize(AppLayerDatabase.java:147)
[2:14] <r00tonemillion> at frost.Core.initialize(Core.java:304)
[2:14] <r00tonemillion> at frost.Frost.<init>(Frost.java:209)
[2:14] <r00tonemillion> at frost.Frost.main(Frost.java:60)
[2:14] <r00tonemillion> Bombe: do you know what that is all about?
[2:14] <Bombe> Yes. It's screaming "use a SUN JVM".
[2:14] <r00tonemillion> no it's not
[2:15] <r00tonemillion> Bombe: I fixed the other problem, and the one before this
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[2:15] <r00tonemillion> now how do I fix this problem
[2:15] <Bombe> Use a SUN JVM.
[2:15] <r00tonemillion> or do you not know, so you just scream use sun jvm
[2:15] <r00tonemillion> Bombe: sun jvm is not opensource
[2:16] <Bombe> Sorry, if you're unable to meet the minimum requirements to run Freenet, you're on your own.
[2:16] <r00tonemillion> so the minimum requirement to run freenet is to use a non opensource tool as a base?
[2:16] <Bombe> Unfortunately other JVMs simply won't work because they're all ages behind SUN's implementation.
[2:17] <r00tonemillion> hmmm gjc runs FREENET fine
[2:17] <r00tonemillion> it's FROST that is having the problem
[2:17] <r00tonemillion> seems like you're wrong
[2:17] <r00tonemillion> because other JVMs DO work with freenet
[2:17] <r00tonemillion> 04:03 < r00tonemillion> at frost.Frost.<init>(Frost.java:209)
[2:17] <r00tonemillion> 04:03 < r00tonemillion> at frost.Frost.main(Frost.java:60)
[2:17] <r00tonemillion>
[2:17] <Bombe> At the moment, yes.
[2:17] <r00tonemillion> you could have seen it was frost
[2:17] <Bombe> OS-JVMs are a very low priority.
[2:17] <Bombe> Then ask a Frost developer.
[2:18] <r00tonemillion> why are OS jvms a very low priority Bombe ?
[2:18] <Bombe> <Bombe> Unfortunately other JVMs simply won't work because they're all ages behind SUN's implementation.
[2:18] <r00tonemillion> are you a developer Bombe ?
[2:18] * Bombe can quote himself, too!
[2:18] <r00tonemillion> are you a developer Bombe ?
[2:19] <Bombe> Yes.
[2:19] <r00tonemillion> what do you develope?
[2:19] <mYone> just a short comment by the way: didnt SUN open source java?
[2:19] <r00tonemillion> mYone: no
[2:19] <mYone> or at least parts of it?
[2:19] <r00tonemillion> mYone: sorta, but not enough of it
[2:19] <r00tonemillion> Bombe: what do you develope?
[2:20] <r00tonemillion> mYone: what is a good freesite to look at?
[2:21] <mYone> r00tonemillion: i dont know any... just started with freenet again a few days ago after a long break
[2:22] <mYone> r00tonemillion: but there doesn't seem to be very much content currently
[2:22] <mYone> r00tonemillion: maybe to small userbase :/
[2:22] <squee> Freenet is a great idea, with more people used it :(
[2:22] <squee> And less pedo scum ='(
[2:22] <mYone> wow, a ped troll
[2:22] <mYone> :P
[2:22] <squee> Troll?
[2:23] <squee> .... You're an idiot..
[2:23] <r00tonemillion> if only pedos use freenet then they should be easy to find?
[2:23] <r00tonemillion> squee: when do you think girls should be married (age) btw?
[2:23] <mYone> i just hate the damn pedo argument
[2:23] <mYone> i am sick of it
[2:23] <mYone> cant hear it anymore
[2:23] <squee> mYone, speaking as a user of freenet
[2:23] <r00tonemillion> squee: when do you think girls should be married (age) btw?
[2:23] <squee> I feel uncomfertable using freenet because of the pedos
[2:23] <Bombe> r00tonemillion, uhm... small green cubes that grow hairs on the lower side when you turn them clock-wise.
[2:24] <squee> r00tonemillion, what do you mean?
[2:24] <squee> what should the legal age of marrage be?
[2:24] <r00tonemillion> yes
[2:24] <mYone> squee: do you also feel uncomfortable using the internet? thats what pedos use too
[2:24] <squee> about 16 or 17?
[2:24] <r00tonemillion> I think they should get married once they are able to have children
[2:24] <squee> mYone, i have come across pedo stuff on freenet entierly by accident a few times.
[2:24] <r00tonemillion> which is in the age range of 12 to 14
[2:24] <mYone> squee: do you feel uncomfortable supporting the building of streets by your taxes, because pedos use these to drive to their victims
[2:24] <mYone> ?
[2:24] <squee> mYone, stop bein an idiot.
[2:25] <r00tonemillion> what do you think of my opinion on marraige age?
[2:25] <squee> I already made my point as to why.
[2:25] <mYone> squee: its all the same, where's freedom, theres abuse of freedom
[2:25] <squee> r00tonemillion, silly, because at that age people are not mature enough to make decisions like that or suport a marrage as they can't work.
[2:25] <r00tonemillion> Bombe: I've played that videogame before, it's good
[2:25] <r00tonemillion> squee: what if the girl married a 30 year old man?
[2:25] <Bombe> r00tonemillion, thanks.
[2:25] <squee> mYone, that does not change the fact that being able to accidently come across some CP puts people off of freenet
[2:26] <r00tonemillion> squee: what if the girl married a 30 year old man?
[2:26] <squee> r00tonemillion, that's pedophilia in the eyes of the law rather than in the definition of the word.
[2:26] <squee> Are you stupid or something?
[2:26] <squee> Do you have to repeat everything twice?
[2:26] <squee> It's iritating.
[2:26] <mYone> squee: well thats for you to decide... but ive come across many uncomfortable things in the normal internet, much more than in freenet i think
[2:26] <r00tonemillion> I support young girls of childbearing age marrying grown men
[2:27] <r00tonemillion> do you have a problem with that idea, if so, why?
[2:27] <r00tonemillion> the girl can have children
[2:27] <r00tonemillion> and the man can control and opress her
[2:27] <r00tonemillion> thus the marraige will not fail
[2:27] <squee> r00tonemillion, she is not mature enough to make the right dessisions.
[2:27] <r00tonemillion> the man will not allow her to make the wrong decisions
[2:27] <squee> very few people can say they where mature enough to make right dessisions at 12-16
[2:27] <mYone> i want to make clear that i dont share the oppinions shown by r00tonemillion !
[2:27] <squee> ...
[2:27] <r00tonemillion> squee: what do her decisions have to do with it?
[2:27] <squee> You know.
[2:27] <r00tonemillion> the Man makes all the decisions
[2:27] <r00tonemillion> the girl NONE
[2:28] <squee> the massive dessision of fucking marrage.
[2:28] <squee> It's quite a big one...
[2:28] <squee> Oh, so you're just a sexist.
[2:28] <r00tonemillion> yes
[2:28] <mYone> squee: i completly agree with you about the current issue
[2:28] <squee> mYone, and you thought i was the troll? ;p
[2:28] <r00tonemillion> do you have a problem with Men ruling over women/girls squee ?
[2:28] <squee> I do.
[2:28] <r00tonemillion> why?
[2:28] <mYone> squee: that was just a snappy remark ;) i dont talk to trolls
[2:28] <seekerovdastuff> whats N2NTM?
[2:29] <squee> r00tonemillion, because it's unfair.
[2:29] <r00tonemillion> squee: No to Nuclear Time Machines
[2:29] <r00tonemillion> squee: so?
[2:29] <mYone> squee: but i still dont like the pedo argument in connection to freenet
[2:29] <r00tonemillion> squee: are you a Man?
[2:29] <squee> r00tonemillion, yes, but i have a thing called morals.
[2:29] <seekerovdastuff> bugger i wanted one to ..
[2:29] <squee> You should look them up some time.
[2:29] <r00tonemillion> ah, so you're a faggot
[2:29] <Bombe> squee, actually he is an idiot, yes. :)
[2:29] <squee> mYone, i'm just saying what i feel from a users point of view.
[2:29] <squee> r00tonemillion, no.
[2:29] <r00tonemillion> squee: morals stem from religion. The Bible is anti-women's rights.
[2:30] <r00tonemillion> you might be looking for another word...
[2:30] <squee> r00tonemillion, let me guess you are some kind of neo-nazi or red neck also?
[2:30] <r00tonemillion> nope, anti-women's rights activists
[2:30] <r00tonemillion> squee: your kind breeds itself to death
[2:30] <r00tonemillion> (you have less children then us mysoginists)
[2:30] <r00tonemillion> you will die out
[2:30] <r00tonemillion> :)
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[2:31] <squee> unitypunk, yey for punk.
[2:31] <unitypunk> hey..
[2:31] <unitypunk> squee..
[2:31] <unitypunk> neat.
[2:31] <squee> r00tonemillion, your kind are likely to get a doc martin to the cock, you wont be able to breed.
[2:31] <unitypunk> help me out.
[2:31] <mYone> squee: i just think that we as freenet users should be more responsible with such 'big words' like CP or 'pedo-scum'
[2:31] <r00tonemillion> squee: 12-14 year old girls should be married to grown men and be opressed by them
[2:31] <unitypunk> i need help getting to understand frenet..
[2:31] <unitypunk> i downloaded it lastnight
[2:31] <r00tonemillion> what do you think of that squee
[2:32] <unitypunk> but i couldnt figure out the reff bot
[2:32] <r00tonemillion> do you like that idea squee
[2:32] <mYone> squee: because if already we distribute thtat image : 1.) pedos will be aatracted 2.) good people will be disgusted and dont use freenet
[2:32] <squee> i have already told you what i think, that's what the argument was about, idiot.
[2:32] <r00tonemillion> or does it piss you off
[2:32] <r00tonemillion> because you are a leftist 'tard
[2:32] <r00tonemillion> you know what's going to happen to you squee
[2:32] <unitypunk> ugh
[2:32] <mYone> squee: its very bad PR!
[2:32] <r00tonemillion> you're going to mess up
[2:32] <r00tonemillion> your going to get married a few times
[2:32] <squee> mYone, you make a good point.
[2:32] <unitypunk> soooo..
[2:32] <r00tonemillion> and the woman is going to divorce you
[2:33] <r00tonemillion> and ruin your life
[2:33] <unitypunk> you cant hep get this shit working.
[2:33] <r00tonemillion> I hope you come here
[2:33] <unitypunk> ill wait for a mod then.
[2:33] <unitypunk> lol
[2:33] <r00tonemillion> so I can laugh textually in your face squee
[2:33] <squee> I would have no problem murdering people like you.
[2:33] <r00tonemillion> because you're belief in sexual equality (or female supremicism) is a failing one for you
[2:33] <squee> You make the world a worse place.
[2:33] <mYone> squee: I think its important to see freenet as that what it is designed to be and not what the people make of it.
[2:33] <r00tonemillion> squee: one day I will make the world a worse place, God willing
[2:33] <squee> mYone, yea, you make a good point.
[2:34] <r00tonemillion> squee: do you want to murder me?
[2:34] <r00tonemillion> will you murder me?
[2:34] <squee> mYone, i don't see what type of content could really be put on freenet.
[2:34] <squee> seing as most illigal things to a degre can be put on the internet as public domain and be okay there anyway.
[2:34] <unitypunk> eh
[2:34] <r00tonemillion> squee: do you want to murder me
[2:35] <unitypunk> datahaven <3
[2:35] <mYone> squee: huh? you really want to try that? if your govt thinks you are a terrorist and you put something illegal in the real internet you will be faster behind bars than you can utter 'freenet'
[2:35] <seekerovdastuff> ok ... I have 3 added links ... it seems as though they arent connecting though .. they say never connected and i have 1 critical error..
[2:36] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: the critical error is normal if you have no connections yet
[2:36] <squee> Now ignoring r00tonemillion
[2:36] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: have the other peers added your ref too?
[2:36] <seekerovdastuff> ok i added 3 of them .. do i just hold out and wait then or start doing sopmething?
[2:36] <seekerovdastuff> they were 3 bots
[2:37] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: it shouldnt take very long for them to connect to you... if it takes longer than a few minutes you have some kind of networking problem . are you behind firewall or NAT?
[2:37] <squee> mYone, i have seen anything from comprimised forum db's in public domain to tools that are set to take down lots of western sites (recent cyber jihad stuff)
[2:37] <seekerovdastuff> firewall wich should be cleared since i gave ok to every connection attempt .. and i have a hub connected to my cable modem ..
[2:37] <mYone> squee: i agree that to a certain degree there are still some things possible in the real internet
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[2:38] <mYone> squee: but thats not the point.... times are changing
[2:38] <squee> True
[2:38] <mYone> squee: freenet is a tool to help us in the future...
[2:38] <mYone> squee: look at china
[2:38] <unitypunk> soooo...
[2:38] <unitypunk> someone want to help me get started on freenet?
[2:38] <r00tonemillion> unitypunk: what time is it, UTC style, right now?
[2:38] <mYone> squee: when the police state is alreay established it will be too late to 'invent' freenet
[2:38] <squee> True
[2:39] <unitypunk> 632
[2:39] <unitypunk> atleast thats what the timestamps say.
[2:39] <squee> I have seen some anarchist stuff on freenet, which was cool.
[2:40] <mYone> squee: for me its a great feeling to have some kind of save harbor like freenet... a kind of failsafe... ;)
[2:40] <r00tonemillion> unitypunk: hour 6, minuit 32
[2:40] <squee> Yea, it is cool, if only it where more active.
[2:40] <squee> And not so slow :o
[2:41] <unitypunk> no, 6:32 AM West Coast
[2:41] <r00tonemillion> TY
[2:41] <busty_rucket> after several hours of use i'm finding the same thing
[2:41] <busty_rucket> i have barely any idea how to use it but i can still complain that it's slow
[2:41] <busty_rucket> right?
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[2:42] <squee_> Damn wifi..
[2:43] <mYone> busty_rucket: yep its slow ... by design :P
[2:43] <mYone> busty_rucket: its no bug, its a feature :P
[2:44] <squee_> huh, being slow is a feature? :s
[2:44] <squee_> I just thought it was due to the way it worked basicaly.
[2:44] <squee_> :s
[2:47] <mYone> just kidding around ;)
[2:47] <squee_> ah, lol
[2:47] <mYone> but a complicated system like freenet cant be incredibly fast ^^
[2:47] <squee_> I know.
[2:47] <squee_> Like Tor for example, that's deathly slow...
[2:48] <mYone> yeah ;)
[2:48] <busty_rucket> you two provide very useless information
[2:48] <mYone> but works great for irc ;)
[2:48] <squee_> busty_rucket, ?
[2:49] <squee_> mYone, i ehm, aquired an account on some proxy site. :)
[2:49] <squee_> with fast socks proxys, heh.
[2:49] <squee_> busty_rucket, i didn't get your original statement or question.
[2:50] <mYone> squee_: hmmmm and what are you using that for?
[2:50] <r00tonemillion> squee_: should I "report" you for making a "terroristic threat"
[2:50] <squee_> Things.
[2:50] <mYone> squee_: anonymity on the web?
[2:50] <squee_> Yes prety much
[2:51] <squee_> In the process of writing an irc bot that will give away a proxy on command.
[2:51] <r00tonemillion> mYone: can you copy and paste what I said for squee_
[2:51] <squee_> I'm a newb programer though, lol
[2:51] <r00tonemillion> and an anarchist
[2:51] <r00tonemillion> ...
[2:51] <r00tonemillion> ?
[2:51] <mYone> r00tonemillion: why should I? he chose to ignore you... why should i circumvent that?
[2:52] <r00tonemillion> mYone: because he made a "terroristic threat" and is not using a proxy
[2:52] <r00tonemillion> shouldn't he learn to use one at all times?
[2:52] <r00tonemillion> I mean... this is #freenet
[2:53] <r00tonemillion> right?
[2:53] <mYone> so?
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[2:54] <r00tonemillion> mYone: is it too much to ask that people try to make themselves anonomyous in the freenet channel
[2:54] <r00tonemillion> walk the talk?
[2:54] <mYone> r00tonemillion: yep!
[2:54] <r00tonemillion> :/
[2:54] <r00tonemillion> comon that's sad
[2:54] <r00tonemillion> use tor atleast
[2:54] <mYone> r00tonemillion: lol you yourself traded refs in the ref channel few days ago... that wasnt very anonymous of you either
[2:55] <r00tonemillion> mYone: it's more anon then what squee does
[2:55] <mYone> r00tonemillion: its ZERO anon, in your ref there's always your ip included :D
[2:55] <squee_> So if anyone wants any proxys in any country or state just ask me! :p
[2:56] <r00tonemillion> mYone: that is the same IP as the tor node I run, the webserver etc
[2:56] <r00tonemillion> how is that not anon
[2:56] <r00tonemillion> doesn't mean I'm sitting there ontop of the server
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[2:57] <mYone> r00tonemillion: what do you mean? that the ip doesnt belong to you? spoofed ip or what?
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[2:57] <r00tonemillion> it's just a place I host things
[2:58] <r00tonemillion> and have a shell
[2:58] <r00tonemillion> which has irssi :D
[2:58] <mYone> yeah but someone has to own that server or pay for the internet it is using
[2:58] <mYone> somehow this ip is connected to your idntity
[2:58] <mYone> isnt it?
[2:58] <busty_rucket> who would be looking for it though...?
[2:59] <r00tonemillion> well depends on how hard you wanna look
[2:59] <r00tonemillion> do you follow all the ips that connected to the server?
[2:59] <r00tonemillion> it's not just me on there
[3:00] <r00tonemillion> I mean, I use it for everything, but so do like 300 other peeps
[3:00] <mYone> thats besides the point... if the server keeps access logs you are not very anonymous ;)
[3:00] <mYone> and i think its kinda lame to accuse someone else of your own crime ;)
[3:04] <busty_rucket> should i be worried about any reprecussive observation simply based on installing freenet?
[3:04] <busty_rucket> from my ISP
[3:05] <busty_rucket> ?
[3:06] <mYone> busty_rucket: difficult to say, but i dont think so... also depends on where you are from and which isp you are using. only if you are from china i'd give you a definite YES ;)
[3:09] <busty_rucket> i'm not in china
[3:09] <busty_rucket> haha
[3:13] <mYone> as far as i know freenet is not (yet) illegal anywhere in the western world
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[4:25] <seekerovdastuff> do i ever get a bunny in my systray for .7?? or is it invissable?
[4:27] <seekerovdastuff> anyone know what happened to the bunny?
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[8:31] <bwpow> all went down with "Corrupt database! Will be reconstructed on restart" message
[8:31] <bwpow> and then com.sleepycat.je.DatabaseException: (JE 3.2.43)
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[11:40] <mYone> "Input Rate: 403 B/sec (of 480 KiB)" "Output Rate: 389 B/sec (of 120 KiB)" and only 4 open connections in opennet mode
[11:43] <mYone> this doesn't sound very healthy
[11:47] <mYone> "Running threads: 503/500" -> is that normal?
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[12:25] <toad_> mYone: eeek
[12:25] <toad_> mYone: what are all the threads doing?
[12:25] <toad_> mYone: post a dump from the stats page somewhere
[12:26] <toad_> bbiab
[12:27] <dbkr> hmm, mine's also like that now
[12:28] <dbkr> but with only 66 threads
[12:28] <dbkr> can mial you a wrapper.log if you like?
[12:28] <dbkr> *mail
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[13:27] <toad_> dbkr: get a stack dump. is it deadlocked?
[13:30] <dbkr> seems to have recovered a bit now: pInstantReject 85%, 3.55 KiB/s in, 4.98kIB/s out
[13:30] <dbkr> will do another thread dump now to compare
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[14:19] <toad_> bbiab
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[14:45] <atomicplayboy> hmmh, does it bring any extra security if one uses two computers with freenet, one which is only friend of the other ond the other which is friend with bunch of others?
[14:46] <atomicplayboy> and then the user uses only that computer which has one friend
[14:46] <dbkr> none whatsoever
[14:48] <atomicplayboy> but then the outsiders would't know the computer which has only one friend, I must admit that I haven't studied this system throughly, but that idea just popped into my mind
[14:48] <atomicplayboy> +n
[14:49] <dbkr> well no, you don't have to reveal one computer's IP, but I can't see how that would help
[14:51] <atomicplayboy> but isn't it also about the packages? do friends of your node know when they are delivering a packago for you or do they just bounce randomly?
[14:52] <dbkr> if they did, it wouldn't be very anonymous
[14:52] <atomicplayboy> package, this dvorak-layout itches my brain
[14:53] <atomicplayboy> yes indeed, as I said I'm not expert on this system and I'll have to ask :)
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[18:50] <Cooo> Oooo. A lot of development going on today :)
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[19:11] <NEOatNHNG> I guess it's patch day tomorrow, so I guess I better get going with the German language-files
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[20:44] <Dosnoris> test
[20:45] <NEOatNHNG> ACK
[20:46] <Dosnoris> ?
[20:47] <NEOatNHNG> Dosnoris, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACK_%28computing%29
[20:50] <Dosnoris> thanx NEOatNHNG,learn sumthing new everyday.
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[21:16] <mYone> the loger my node is running hte more threads are started... its running 5h now and already reached 500 threads... normal?
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[21:26] <mYone> ok this is worth correcting, now without so many spelling errors:
[21:26] <mYone> The longer my node is running, the more Threads are started. The uptime is currently about 5 hours and it has already reached 500 threads. Is that normal?
[21:26] <mYone> :D
[21:28] <nextgens> there is a limit at 500
[21:29] <NEOatNHNG> It's normal, that you get more threads over time, although I'm not quite shure whether 500 are normal, I do have 268
[21:29] <dbkr> mYone: if you look at the stats page, it'll tell you what they're all doing
[21:29] <dbkr> (advanced darknet mode probably)
[21:29] <dbkr> I'd be interested to know
[21:30] <mYone> RequestHandler: 160 (31.1%)
[21:30] <mYone> RequestSender: 156 (30.4%)
[21:30] <mYone> those are the two with the biggest percentage
[21:30] <mYone> all others < 8%
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[21:33] <NEOatNHNG> so your node seems very popular
[21:33] <NEOatNHNG> or you got a very hungry peer
[21:34] <dbkr> hmm :/
[21:34] <nextgens> how to chain two commands on windows ?
[21:34] <nextgens> echo a; echo b; doesn't work
[21:35] <NEOatNHNG> you mean in a .bat?
[21:35] <nextgens> any idea of what the end of command character is ?
[21:35] <nextgens> yes
[21:35] <mYone> NEOatNHNG: maybe popular... i dunno... but at least its using some of the bandwith: Output Rate: 41.7 KiB/sec (of 120 KiB)
[21:35] <NEOatNHNG> i think it's simply newline
[21:35] <nextgens> I can't add a newline there :s
[21:35] <nextgens> (it's a registry entry)
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[21:36] <NEOatNHNG> mYone, so if you got a lot of traffic you got a lot of threads, seems logical
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[21:40] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, cmd /c "SET MOZ_NO_REMOTE=1 && start "" "C:\Programme\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" -p "Profilname""
[21:41] <nextgens> but that's if the first command succeeds, isn't it ?
[21:41] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, so you use the cmd-command
[21:42] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, don't know, it just says here, that it does the same as a batch with the same content (without cmd but newlines)
[21:42] <nextgens> well, I'll generate a temporary file
[21:42] <nextgens> still, that sucks damn hard.
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[21:44] <NEOatNHNG> hey, it's a windows-command-prompt don't know what more suicidal
[21:45] <nextgens> working on the installer/uninstaller
[21:46] <nextgens> that's worst :)
[21:46] <NEOatNHNG> here's a english site http://www.ss64.com/nt/cmd.html
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[21:58] <seekerovdastuff> anyone live?
[21:58] <Nogaso> more or less...
[21:58] <NEOatNHNG> well I' m in realtime
[21:59] <seekerovdastuff> seems as though my freenet .7 isnt growing and i left it on all night .. so .. i guess i need to set up a bot to make it grow?? ne ideas on whats it takes?? this sure is a cumbersome thing to get moving .. hope its worth it ..
[22:00] <dbkr> sorry what now?
[22:00] <dbkr> 'growing'?
[22:00] <seekerovdastuff> as in getting more links to other systems .. i only had 1 good one and it died ..
[22:00] <NEOatNHNG> do you have opennet (strangers) enabled?
[22:01] <seekerovdastuff> yes i do ..
[22:01] <seekerovdastuff> running in premiscous mode
[22:01] <dbkr> yeah, afaik even opennet requires at least one connection to get others (right?)
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[22:01] <NEOatNHNG> right
[22:01] <mYone> dbkr: i think he means getting new connections in opennet mode
[22:02] <seekerovdastuff> i had 3 at one time .. but they all sorta fell off.. one is a bot to so i should still be on ..
[22:02] <seekerovdastuff> i want my node to have connections so i can actually utilise the net .. but seems to be failing ..
[22:02] <NEOatNHNG> to get more connections you definitely need one connected peer
[22:03] <seekerovdastuff> had one peer for all night or at least when i went to bed ... cant tell yah when they dropped off ..
[22:03] <NEOatNHNG> so you probably have to get some new
[22:03] <seekerovdastuff> should i just go through the hassel of a bot to ensure codes??
[22:04] <NEOatNHNG> if there's a network split between you two, and the rest of freenet you won't get any more connections
[22:04] <NEOatNHNG> are you working on linux or win?
[22:04] <seekerovdastuff> win ..
[22:04] <seekerovdastuff> 2kp
[22:05] <NEOatNHNG> ok, ref-trading by hand is probably less work
[22:05] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: i reconnected to your node... you should now have at least one open connection
[22:05] <seekerovdastuff> but is it less eficient as well?
[22:05] <NEOatNHNG> otherwise, you have to install python and stuff
[22:06] <seekerovdastuff> checking it mYone ..
[22:06] <seekerovdastuff> says no open connections and i havent changed anything
[22:06] <mYone> NEOatNHNG: my opennet is running fine (20 open connections) so he should be able to get new connections through me, right?
[22:06] <NEOatNHNG> seekerovdastuff, if you want to trade refs more often a bot is generally a good idea
[22:06] <NEOatNHNG> mYone, right
[22:07] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: are you looking at the 'strangers' page?
[22:07] <seekerovdastuff> hrm .. pondering ..
[22:07] <seekerovdastuff> sec looking
[22:07] <seekerovdastuff> 1 busy 2 disconnected and 3 never connected ..
[22:07] <NEOatNHNG> seekerovdastuff, maybe your and mYones IP changed
[22:08] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: you see, you have a open connection now ;) that should be me
[22:08] <NEOatNHNG> well the busy one could be mYone, cause he already said his thread-limit was reached
[22:08] <nextgens> how comes I don't even have choice.exe on my w2k ?
[22:08] <seekerovdastuff> so there is a limit of 20 threads?
[22:08] <nextgens> where can I get it ?
[22:09] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, maybe through the cygwin-project?
[22:09] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: no, you misunderstand ;)
[22:09] <NEOatNHNG> seekerovdastuff, its actually 500 threads
[22:09] <nextgens> c'mon, even dos had it !
[22:09] <seekerovdastuff> ok now i have 1 green connected and yet it says no open connections .
[22:09] <nextgens> I remember using it on dos 6.0
[22:11] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: where does it say that? "no open connections" i mean?
[22:11] <nextgens> ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/Services/TechNet/samples/PS/Win98/Reskit/SCRPTING/CHOICE.EXE
[22:11] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: because if you have one green connection you clearly dont have 'no open connections' ;)
[22:11] <nextgens> got it :))
[22:12] <seekerovdastuff> top of the home page ..
[22:12] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, since XP it's not a .exe anymore it's a command (maybe .com?)
[22:13] <saces> choice.exe is not present in a xp-default install.
[22:14] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, sorry, misinformation, now "set" is used (i thought it was for environment variables)
[22:14] <nextgens> set ?
[22:15] <saces> this way:
[22:15] <saces> set /P X= (J)a oder (N)ein?
[22:15] <NEOatNHNG> set /P X= (J)a oder (N)ein?
[22:15] <NEOatNHNG> if /I "%X%"=="J" goto :ja
[22:15] <NEOatNHNG> if /I "%X%"=="N" goto :nein
[22:16] <NEOatNHNG> hey saces we're on the same page
[22:16] <saces> *g*
[22:16] <nextgens> ok :|
[22:19] <saces> nextgens: you may find here the exe you need http://unxutils.sourceforge.net/
[22:19] <nextgens> ok
[22:19] <nextgens> :ask
[22:19] <nextgens> @set /P X= Do you really want to uninstall Freenet (Y/N)?
[22:19] <nextgens> @if /I "%X%"!="N" goto end
[22:19] <nextgens> @if /I "%X%"!="Y" goto begin
[22:19] <nextgens> @goto ask
[22:19] <nextgens> :begin
[22:19] <nextgens> 5 lines where it could be done in 1
[22:19] <nextgens> :|
[22:21] <dbkr> can the installer tool not generate an uninstaller too? :/
[22:22] <seekerovdastuff> ok i restarted the node .. seems to die real easy ... i have now 2 connected ..
[22:22] <NEOatNHNG> echo "You are running Microsoft Windows, this is considered insecure. Please install Linux!"
[22:22] <nextgens> dbkr> it does generate one
[22:23] <dbkr> can we not use it?
[22:23] <nextgens> we can't easily
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[22:23] <NEOatNHNG> nextgens, let me guess: it doesn't work? go ask the adobe people, theirs also don't work correctly
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[22:24] <NEOatNHNG> and even microsoft office doesn't uninstall clean
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[22:25] <aFlag> hi, why do I have to trust my friend nodes? Do I have to trust my friend's friends as well?
[22:26] <seekerovdastuff> its a visouse cycle aFlag ... mad men infilterating your system!!!
[22:26] <seekerovdastuff> youe better off going and doing/getting what it is your after first hand regardless the cost ..
[22:26] <mYone> aFlag: because if you have (multiple) evil-friend-nodes they could do correlation attacks on you. No.
[22:28] <seekerovdastuff> in all rality who are you that you would be singled out ... so real threat?? i think not so much ..
[22:28] <seekerovdastuff> i wouldnt be concerned about it ..
[22:29] <aFlag> but do my friend nodes my ip and stuff like that?
[22:30] <mYone> aFlag: yes they know your ip... how could they connect to you without knowing your ip? ;0
[22:30] <NEOatNHNG> yes, otherwise they couldn't connect
[22:30] <mYone> ;)
[22:31] <seekerovdastuff> as i was told ... to sum it up .. the connection isnt the secret .. its the data thatr is transfered around thats the secret ..
[22:31] <aFlag> hm
[22:31] <NEOatNHNG> but for real paranoid people there were such ideas as running freenet over tor
[22:32] <NEOatNHNG> but I don't know if someone actally did it, there again you have to trust someon
[22:33] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: well, in a way, the connection can also be a secret... if you are using the darknet idea correctly and only connecting to trusted friends. But if you are using opennet or connect to strangers, everyone can find out that you are using freenet
[22:33] <seekerovdastuff> what i do is runa virtual pc with it in there .. and have an encrypted drive that virtual pc in on .. so its a 3 layer security thing
[22:34] <seekerovdastuff> if my pc goes off good luck retrieving pics of me an yosama basking on the mawi beaches with the honys..
[22:34] <NEOatNHNG> but they still can find out, and if you're living in let's say GB there's a law, that you have to give them the passwd for encrypted drives
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[22:35] <dbkr> I fail to see how a copy of virtualpc helps you, but sure :)
[22:35] <NEOatNHNG> and a trojan in your vPC can also see everything in that PC
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[22:36] <seekerovdastuff> truecrypt has double encryption .. a drive within a drive ..
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[22:37] <seekerovdastuff> windows leavs bread crumbs all over .. so in a virtual pc it can leave anything anywhere .. and its on a virtual pc .. so nothing is transfered to your actual system
[22:38] <NEOatNHNG> that help against having to give away your passwd because they can't find the drive in the drive but again if they know that you're running a node, they can assume there is one
[22:38] <mYone> seekerovdastuff: double ROT13 encryption? i hope so, thats the best crypto!
[22:38] <dbkr> how are breadcrumbs on a virtual pc any better than those on a real one? apart from that fact that a you can nuke the disk image without nuking everything else
[22:38] <dbkr> (ie. convenience)
[22:38] <unitypunk> can anyone help me with getting freenet working?
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[22:39] <NEOatNHNG> and in country which have torture, thats not a nice thing
[22:39] <mYone> unitypunk: yes
[22:39] <unitypunk> i have it installed.
[22:39] <unitypunk> does it need any ports?
[22:40] <unitypunk> in the firewall
[22:40] <NEOatNHNG> unitypunk, you can look them up on your friends-page
[22:40] <dbkr> unitypunk: http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
[22:40] <seekerovdastuff> assume all yah want .. doesnt make it true ... check out the encryption methods .. i use blowfish - AES - serpent all at once .. on the fly encryption
[22:40] <unitypunk> i dont have any friends though :(
[22:40] <NEOatNHNG> unitypunk, did you trade refs?
[22:40] <seekerovdastuff> slow 3mb / sec ..
[22:41] <mYone> unitypunk: you can activate opennet mode in the configuration
[22:41] <unitypunk> no, i got stuck there
[22:41] <unitypunk> i have the pyFreenet bot
[22:41] <NEOatNHNG> seekerovdastuff, but if they can assume there is something they might torture you to death even if there's nothing
[22:41] <unitypunk> but i misconfigured it
[22:41] <unitypunk> and now i cant get it to run the first start shit
[22:42] <mYone> unitypunk: thats not a big problem, a bot is not necessary
[22:42] <unitypunk> how am i gonna get friends thn :(
[22:42] <unitypunk> lol
[22:42] <NEOatNHNG> unitypunk, just exchange the refs by hand
[22:42] <seekerovdastuff> so i guess thats where one draws the line and just doesnt even mess with freenet then .. and hey .. its on you if yah do .. so reasobalility is needed ,..
[22:42] <mYone> unitypunk: but to reconfigure the bot just remove the config file in ~/.freenet_ref_bot (if you are using linux)
[22:42] <unitypunk> nope
[22:43] <unitypunk> windows :(
[22:43] <mYone> unitypunk: no idea where the config file is saved in windows. sry
[22:43] <unitypunk> yeah
[22:43] <unitypunk> me either lol
[22:43] <NEOatNHNG> unitypunk, http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetZeroPointSeven
[22:43] <mYone> unitypunk: but you can trade refs in #freenet-refs with other bots
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[22:43] <mYone> unitypunk: you dont need a bot to do that
[22:44] <unitypunk> right
[22:44] <seekerovdastuff> so does accessing the content make your connection grow any faster??
[22:44] <unitypunk> No peers found, Unknown External ip..
[22:44] <NEOatNHNG> seekerovdastuff, patience is the magic word in the beginning it will grow faster
[22:45] <mYone> unitypunk: on the fproxy homepage there should be a field "temporary ip adress hint" enter there your current internet ip
[22:45] <seekerovdastuff> kk .. tnks ..
[22:45] <unitypunk> real ip, or local?
[22:46] <mYone> unitypunk: real ip
[22:46] <mYone> unitypunk: the external one
[22:46] <unitypunk> rgr
[22:47] <unitypunk> okay
[22:47] <unitypunk> nowww
[22:47] <unitypunk> i need friends i guess lol
[22:48] <mYone> unitypunk: yeah, or you activate opennet mode and connect to strangers
[22:48] <unitypunk> how stupi