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[1:35] <illovae> hello :)
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[6:29] <aFlag> port 23816 is all I need to forward, right?
[6:31] <aFlag> I have three friends but they all show up as "never connected"
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[7:41] <Deltantor> Anyone have any idea why fuqid says "too many path components" whenever i try to download stuff with it?
[7:41] <Deltantor> If i enable direct disk access it says "cannot create file"
[7:45] <phrosty> is the path you give it super long
[7:46] <Deltantor> No
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[17:46] <HerzogDeXtE1> When I try to use one of my bookmarks, freenet gives me following error "Error, route not found". That happens on any bookmark... How can I fix this?
[17:47] <Tommy[D]> are you connected?
[17:47] <HerzogDeXtE1> hmm where can I see that i'm connected, i know that freenet is started
[17:48] <HerzogDeXtE1> portforwarding is okay too
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[17:50] <Tommy[D]> did you add peers?
[17:51] <HerzogDeXtEr> peers do mean friends?
[17:51] <Tommy[D]> if you have friends and traded refs with them, yes
[17:52] <HerzogDeXtEr> i dont have friends there ^^
[17:52] <HerzogDeXtEr> did i need to add someone before?
[17:52] <HerzogDeXtEr> maybe a stranger
[17:52] <Tommy[D]> yes
[17:53] <Tommy[D]> easiest way would be to enable Opennet in the config and use the refbot to trade some refs
[17:53] <HerzogDeXtEr> where can i find this function?
[17:53] <Tommy[D]> that way you get working connections...at least until you shutdown freenet/your computer
[17:54] <HerzogDeXtEr> when i press the button it says it cant find a route o.0
[17:54] <Tommy[D]> go to the configuration and set "Enable promiscuous mode" to true
[17:55] <Tommy[D]> after that, you have a strangers page, copy the ref to dark-code.bulix.org
[17:56] <Tommy[D]> next step, set up a refbot (http://wiki.freenetproject.org/Refbot and give the url to it or trade refs using the url yourself with some bots or people in #freenet-refs
[17:56] <HerzogDeXtEr> i've enabled it
[17:56] <HerzogDeXtEr> but it says that he cant add this node
[17:57] <Tommy[D]> who sais what and where?
[17:57] <HerzogDeXtEr> i press strangers
[17:57] <HerzogDeXtEr> then i add this under url dark-code.bulix.org and press add
[17:57] <Tommy[D]> eh, wrong
[17:58] <Tommy[D]> there is a text part, called ref on that site, right?
[17:58] <HerzogDeXtEr> ye
[17:59] <Tommy[D]> open http://dark-code.bulix.org in a new window and copy that hole text into the new window and send it
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[17:59] <Tommy[D]> that should give you a new page, containing the text
[18:01] <HerzogDeXtEr> yes
[18:02] <HerzogDeXtEr> what should i do now?
[18:04] <Tommy[D]> open http://wiki.freenetproject.org/Refbot in a new browser window and follow the steps to start the refbot
[18:04] <HerzogDeXtEr> kaykay :) i've seen it, ty
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[18:12] <HerzogDeXtEr> http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/pyFreenet/pyFreenet-latest.tbz this link is broken -.-
[18:12] <HerzogDeXtEr> r there any other options to download?
[18:16] <HerzogDeXtEr> ye oki i have it
[18:22] <HerzogDeXtEr> what should be the URL of my node's opennet ref ?
[18:23] <Tommy[D]> you have the open windows from dark-code.bulix.org with the text in it?
[18:23] <HerzogDeXtEr> yes
[18:23] <Tommy[D]> copy the url from that window
[18:23] <HerzogDeXtEr> non-raw ?
[18:24] <Tommy[D]> test it, i dont know the refbot that well
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[18:26] <dr_makis> hello! how can i change freenet's cache directory? i want to move it over to D:
[18:27] <HerzogDeXtEr> oki Tommy[D] bot is online
[18:27] <Tommy[D]> if you really want to do it, try this: stop freenet, edit freenet.ini and change the line, copy the cache dir and restart freenet (but make a backup before and dont blame me, if your computer explodes)
[18:28] <dr_makis> lol
[18:28] <dr_makis> okay
[18:28] <dr_makis> thanks
[18:28] <Tommy[D]> HerzogDeXtEr, no simply wait a little bit, the bot will get you some peers (you will be able to see them on the Strangers page) and after that you can use and browse freenet
[18:28] <Tommy[D]> -no + so
[18:28] <HerzogDeXtEr> :) ty very much Tommy[D]
[18:29] <Tommy[D]> and if you disconnect for a longer time and restart freenet and have the same error, simply restart the refbot, so that it can get some new peers for you
[18:29] <HerzogDeXtEr> ok
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[18:45] <Nogaso> anyone else having problems with the rate limits?
[18:46] <Nogaso> my node shows an average rate of 43.2 KiB/sec, but it should be limited at 25...
[18:48] <Tommy[D]> i had problems with the upload rate, gone higher than any limit....
[18:49] <Nogaso> thats my problem as well, upload
[18:49] <Tommy[D]> stable or trunk?
[18:49] <Nogaso> stable
[18:50] <Tommy[D]> trunk isnt better, had even more problems with it
[18:51] <Tommy[D]> i think, you (and me) will need to wait, until toad_ (or perhaps nextgens) are back, i dont think, there will happen anything today
[18:52] <Nogaso> :(
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[18:53] <Tommy[D]> but i will speak about this (and my other problems) with them
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[19:00] <paxsboy> Perhaps this is a more appropriate place for my question? "Hello, room. I just found out about freenet, installed it, and need to connect to some nodes. I'm curious, though, as to how we do this - I can't see why anyone would trust me, nor do I see why I should trust anyone.
[19:05] <paxsboy> Perhaps the first rule of freenet is that we don't talk about freenet.
[19:05] <Tommy[D]> if you have trusted friends using freenet, trade refs with them
[19:05] <paxsboy> I don't.
[19:06] <Tommy[D]> else you have to trust strangers
[19:06] <paxsboy> I take it there's a way to do so without making oneself too vulnerable?
[19:06] <Tommy[D]> easiest and best way would be to enable Opennet, set up a refbot and let the refbot get you some starting peers (freenet will do the rest, until you stop it)
[19:07] <Nogaso> at the moment you are vulnerable to your peers...
[19:07] <Tommy[D]> there is always the risk of a bug in freenet and the possibility of statistical traffic analysis, but you wont get around them
[19:08] <paxsboy> I don't see myself as particularly vulnerable to my peers at the moment, since I'm not running freenet and I'm not connecting to this server from my home network, but through a third party that I do trust. ;)
[19:09] <Tommy[D]> if you dont yourself run freenet, what do you want here? :)
[19:10] <paxsboy> I want to run freenet, but I only just installed it. I was responding to Nogaso's assertion that I am, at the moment, vulnerable to my peers.
[19:11] <Tommy[D]> yes, vulnerable as mainly to traffic analysis, but if someone does not control all your peers, he cannot be sure about what you do
[19:12] <paxsboy> Well, I'm heading over to #freenet-refs to see if I can't get some bots to ref me.
[19:12] <Tommy[D]> next steps: 1. enable Opennet (promiscuus mode -> true on configuration page), copy the ref on the new strangers page to dark-code.bulix.org, set up a refbot (http://wiki.freenetproject.org/Refbot), give the url of the last page to it and wait a little bit
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[20:09] <waba> Hmm, the MemoryChecker reports that I have 272MiB in use at second n, while at n+1 my node crashes with OOM: unable to create new native thread. (wrapper.java.memory=1200). Any clue?
[20:10] <waba> Running 1075 of course, and this happens shortly after boot
[20:27] <paxsboy> I recently installed freenet and added some peers, but I'm having trouble getting any connections. I've made sure my router knows to allow the correct ports, and I've made sure that my IP address is correct, but the status of everybody (including those I'm actively talking to, and are clearly on) stays "NEVER CONNECTED."
[20:27] <Tommy[D]> waba, did you check memory usage with system tools?
[20:28] <paxsboy> I've looked at all the documentation I could find.
[20:28] <Tommy[D]> paxsboy, you are sure, you added their ref and they added your ref?
[20:28] <paxsboy> Tommy[D]: Positive.
[20:29] <waba> Tommy[D]: Hmm good idea, although I guess that the memory reported by MemoryChecker is the space used by java objects, while the JVM could easily have allocated its 1200MB already. Going to check that though.
[20:29] <Tommy[D]> paxsboy, does your ref contain your ip and the ref of the other people too?
[20:30] <paxsboy> Tommy[D]: My ref contains my IP, as checked with whatismyip.com. I don't know about their refs, but I believe they're connecting fine with other people.
[20:32] <Tommy[D]> paxsboy, you can open their given url in a browser and check for a line with a ip
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[20:35] <paxsboy> Tommy[D]: Yes, they have the line. Some have an IP, some just have references to IPs (as with no-ip)
[20:36] <paxsboy> Tommy[D]: But they all have the line, and none of them are working.
[20:37] <Tommy[D]> paxsboy, can you give me your url and another one (in private)?
[20:40] <waba> Tommy[D]: My node takes around 730MB when it starts OOMing.
[20:41] <Tommy[D]> waba, i guess, its when you try to insert something?
[20:41] <waba> I have one insert going, yes. But it was going just fine before I restarted the node.
[20:42] <Tommy[D]> was the restart on update to 1075?
[20:43] <waba> Nope, manual restart meanwhile
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[20:47] <dr_makis> when on dynamic IP, do you have to get a dyndns, too? or will it work without?
[20:47] <Tommy[D]> i myself also have problems with OOMs, will see if i can talk to a dev about it and see how to change this
[20:47] <waba> Tommy[D]: thanks
[20:47] <Tommy[D]> dr_makis, it will work without too
[20:48] <Tommy[D]> waba, if you want, you can open a bugreport at bugs.freenetproject.org and leave the relevant lines from your wrapper.log there
[20:48] <dr_makis> i'm connecting properly to some peers, but some new ppl behind nat i'm talking with can't connect to me, while they seem to be forwarding correctly
[20:49] <Tommy[D]> dr_makis, they should make sure, their ref contains their external ip
[20:50] <dr_makis> through the temporary ip parameter?
[20:53] <Tommy[D]> open the url and see, if it contains a ip
[20:58] <waba> I'll do that tomorrow, good evening and thanks for the help!
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[21:22] <dr_makis> Tommy[D]: moving datastore and changing node.storeDir to D:\datastore didn't quite work :P freenet wouldn't load, it throwed an error
[21:22] <dr_makis> maybe something else needs to be changed, too? or do i need to add quotes or something?
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[21:57] <r00t_> hi
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[21:57] <r00t_> I heard freenet is faster now
[21:57] <r00t_> is this true
[21:57] <r00t_> or is it all lies
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[21:58] <nextgens> waba's problem is thread-limit related
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[21:58] <r00t_> and are we still using 128 bit symmetrical or have we graduated to 256?
[21:58] <nextgens> tell him to rtfm ulimit if he comes back
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[21:58] <nextgens> r00t_> which keys are you talking about ?
[21:58] <r00t_> and is there any protocal obfsucation
[21:58] <nextgens> we use at least 256bits keys everywhere
[21:59] <nextgens> yes there is
[21:59] <r00t_> nextgens: ... the transmission
[21:59] <r00t_> connecting from one node to another
[21:59] <r00t_> it used to be 128 bit symmetrical encryption
[21:59] <r00t_> has it been increased
[21:59] <nextgens> the session link uses a 256bits AES key
[21:59] <nextgens> we negociate the key using JFK (a dos resistent protocol)
[21:59] <r00t_> ok
[22:00] <nextgens> and since a last build we rekey
[22:00] <r00t_> does freenet masqurade as https, imaps, other protocals
[22:00] <r00t_> or can everyone still tell it's freenet
[22:00] <r00t_> and be racist against it at the gateway
[22:01] <nextgens> it doesn't use stenography yet, no
[22:01] <nextgens> but there is no session byte to match
[22:01] <nextgens> and port numbers are still allocated randomly
[22:01] <nextgens> meaning that no, you can't easily match it
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[22:02] <r00t_> what is a session byte?
[22:03] <r00t_> does freenet just look like random data, no protocal headers etc?
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[22:06] <nextgens> it looks like random data, yes
[22:06] <nextgens> on .5 they were "patterns" you could match
[22:07] <nextgens> on .7 they aren't anymore
[22:07] <nextgens> moreover we padd packets up to a random length
[22:07] <nextgens> meaning that even the size of packets looks random
[22:08] <oogrr> Someone got time for a newb? I've a question.. do I post it public or private?
[22:10] <Nogaso> post what?
[22:10] <NEOatNHNG> simply spit it out, someone will answer
[22:10] <r00t_> nextgens: is open net on
[22:10] <r00t_> or is it all darknet
[22:11] <r00t_> and if darknet only from who do I trade ... keys? with
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[22:11] <oogrr> I've just installed freenet, I've added 6 connected pers but can't connect to anything (waited 1 hour) is it just to wait longer or have I've done something wrong?? thx in advance..
[22:11] <NEOatNHNG> r00t_, what do you mean by on?
[22:12] <Nogaso> r00t_: opennet is off by default, but can be enabled
[22:12] <r00t_> like does opennet exist yet
[22:12] <NEOatNHNG> yes
[22:12] * r00t_ is mikeeusa
[22:12] <r00t_> my weblog was shutdown
[22:12] <r00t_> and I was reported to the FBI
[22:12] <r00t_> and then I moved to another weblog and that got shutdown too
[22:12] <r00t_> (some women's rights activists are gunning for me because I'm opposed to them having rights)
[22:13] <r00t_> so ... clearly this means freenet needs my weblog, no?
[22:13] <NEOatNHNG> oogrr, did the others add your ref too?
[22:13] <nextgens> as far as I remember you were in our banlist for some time too, even here
[22:13] <nextgens> :p
[22:13] <r00t_> along time ago
[22:13] <oogrr> yes.. it's says connected with green text and some of them were bot2bot ads
[22:13] <r00t_> nextgens: I was getting 2000 hits a week
[22:14] <r00t_> a month later democraticunderground.org people found my site
[22:14] <nextgens> well, host it on freenet, you won't have bandwidth problems anymore :p
[22:14] <r00t_> and had it shutdown
[22:14] <oogrr> (that should mean they've added me?)
[22:14] <r00t_> lol
[22:14] <NEOatNHNG> oogrr, the others are connected to other people, not just between each other?
[22:14] <r00t_> I might put it on fnet
[22:14] <r00t_> I'll look around and see what's new on it first
[22:15] <r00t_> do most people use opennet or darknet?
[22:15] <r00t_> and should I get dev version or stable?
[22:15] <Bombe> Yes, most people use opennet or darknet.
[22:15] <oogrr> I don't know how do I find out?
[22:15] <Nogaso> r00t_: stable
[22:16] <r00t_> ok
[22:16] <dr_makis> oogrr: you have me too, and i can see everything fine (such as http://127.0.0.1:8888/USK@cvZEZFWynx~4hmakaimts4Ruusl9mEUpU6mSvNvZ9p8,K2Xopc6GWPkKrs27EDuqzTcca2bE5H2YAXw0qKnkON4,AQACAAE/TSOF/2/ for example)
[22:17] <NEOatNHNG> oogrr, maybe a browser problem
[22:17] <r00t_> back in the old days I had a blog on freenet
[22:17] <oogrr> can't open ur link
[22:17] <r00t_> L33tism0
[22:17] <oogrr> using firefox 2
[22:17] <r00t_> got kinda popular, for freenet
[22:17] * Bombe has never heard of it.
[22:17] <r00t_> I used that comment system where you use KSKs
[22:17] <r00t_> Bombe: how long have you used freenet?
[22:18] <Bombe> Hmm... six years or more, I think...
[22:18] <r00t_> r00t@debian:~/stuff/freenet$ java -jar new_installer.jar
[22:18] <r00t_> Exception in thread "main" java.awt.AWTError: Cannot load AWT toolkit: gnu.java.awt.peer.gtk.GtkToolkit
[22:18] <r00t_> Bombe: it was before your time
[22:18] <Bombe> Yeah, seven... started back in 2000.
[22:18] <r00t_> because this one was in my sophmore year of HS
[22:19] <NEOatNHNG> r00t_, use sun java
[22:19] <r00t_> NEOatNHNG: that's not opensource
[22:19] <Bombe> Too bad.
[22:19] <r00t_> fuck you Bombe
[22:19] <r00t_> go use windows
[22:19] <Bombe> You're cute.
[22:19] <nextgens> r00t_> don't give him a good reason to kick you out of here
[22:19] <Bombe> nextgens, can I keep him?
[22:19] <r00t_> NEOatNHNG: freenet worked 2 months ago with nomal linux java
[22:19] <NEOatNHNG> it will be soon but with gnu java there should be some howto in the wiki
[22:20] <r00t_> nextgens: didn't work last time
[22:20] <nextgens> Bombe> as I already said, he uses to be banned even here... if he keeps on using bad language, go ahead
[22:20] <r00t_> NEOatNHNG: I think I'll just pass on freenet
[22:21] <r00t_> the majority talking here seem to be homosexuals
[22:21] * nextgens sets mode +b *!*n=r00t@*.dyn.optonline.net
[22:21] * r00t_ was kicked from #freenet by nextgens
[22:21] <Bombe> nextgens, I know. I do remember him. :)
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[22:26] <oogrr> its working now.. it was firewall issues
[22:43] <esmaeel> firefox
[22:43] <esmaeel> cd:
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[22:47] * esmaeel (n=esmaeel@) Quit ("ircII EPIC4-2.4 -- Are we there yet?")
[22:52] * Pichu0102 (n=pichu010@) Quit (Remote closed the connection)
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[23:00] * Nogaso (n=Nogaso@) Quit ("Leaving")
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[23:13] <oogrr> wich is better openet or darknet? openet is faster? darknet more secure?
[23:14] * ZwiSter (n=arne@) Quit ("Konversation terminated!")
[23:16] <NEOatNHNG> opennet is for people which don't know many people running freenet
[23:17] <NEOatNHNG> its afaik not faster
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[23:18] <oogrr> k
[23:18] <dr_makis> i'm trying to move the while freenet directory to D:\
[23:18] <dr_makis> (and noticed the uninstaller doesn't work btw)
[23:18] <dr_makis> how do i keep my settings?
[23:19] <dr_makis> (or what do i change in order to simply copy it)
[23:22] <FuriousRage> [23:15:37] * r00t_ was kicked by nextgens (what do you have against homosexuals ?)
[23:22] <FuriousRage> hes throwing hissy fit in #FreeNet-Chat now
[23:23] <FuriousRage> same ip, new nick (zz77)
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[23:29] <FuriousRage> Bombe: got access @ #FreeNet-Chat ?
[23:29] <Bombe> Not that I know of...
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[23:30] * HerzogDeXtE1 (n=dex@) Quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
[23:30] <FuriousRage> root in there as zz77 and acting 8 ;>
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[23:31] <Bombe> Doesn't look like I can do anything about it. Just /ignore him. :)
[23:31] <Tommy[D]> wouldnt make that much fun :)
[23:31] <Bombe> *g*
[23:31] <FuriousRage> he got very quiet when saces joined there
[23:34] * NEOatNHNG (n=NEOatNHN@) Quit ("I don't have the time to argue with dumb people, there just is no hope in getting them any more intelligent and I got to work)
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[23:35] <dr_makis> sorry to bother you again... copied the directory to d:\, changed the entries in the .ini that pointed to C:\ but still get a "system error 1067"
[23:36] <Tommy[D]> are you sure, you changed the right entries and not all?
[23:36] <FuriousRage> dr_makis: did you move all the stuff, even the jars and such?
[23:36] <FuriousRage> or only databases
[23:36] <dr_makis> yes
[23:37] <dr_makis> all
[23:37] <FuriousRage> then you need to unregister the service
[23:37] <dr_makis> only changed the permanenet temp
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[23:37] <FuriousRage> and re-register it
[23:37] <dr_makis> i did
[23:37] <dr_makis> and reregistered
[23:37] <dr_makis> yes
[23:37] <dr_makis> maybe one could tell me which entries have to be changed in the ini?
[23:38] <dr_makis> I only saw node.persistentTempDir pointing at C:\Program Files\freenet
[23:38] <FuriousRage> dr_makis make sure the freenet user has write permissions on the new location
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[23:38] <dr_makis> aha, didn't think about that
[23:39] <dr_makis> amazing :)
[23:39] <dr_makis> that was really dumb of me :P
[23:40] <dr_makis> this means that i could have only moved my datastore... :|
[23:40] <FuriousRage> yup
[23:44] <dr_makis> thanks a lot FuriousRage ;)
[23:44] <FuriousRage> np
[23:44] <dr_makis> one more thing
[23:44] <dr_makis> on a fresh install, which of my old files would i have to keep?
[23:45] <dr_makis> (to keep my references and my peers)
[23:45] <Tommy[D]> freenet.ini and all files/stores containing the ports
[23:47] <dr_makis> the extra-peer-data contains the information of the peers with which i've exchanged references, right?
[23:47] * HerzogDeXtEr (n=dex@) Quit (Connection timed out)
[23:48] <Tommy[D]> no
[23:48] <Tommy[D]> that should be peers-<port>
[23:48] <FuriousRage> extra-peer-data is stuff like comments i think
[23:49] <dr_makis> okay, thanks again
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