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[3:36] <Taroeel> I figured it out.
[3:37] <Taroeel> There can't be a God
[3:37] <Taroeel> The lineage of Gen. 5 states that humanity goes back only 6,011 years.
[3:39] <Taroeel> US Gov B.T.P. they need pain.
[3:39] <Taroeel> Thanks :-)
[3:39] <Taroeel> Bye
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[3:42] <bwpow> well
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[3:59] <tigertony> neither poor transcription by the men who wrote (and rewrote) the bilble, nor the plausible deniability of a christian god disprove the existance of any god.
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[4:12] <sniep> hello
[4:13] <sniep> i am trying to find refs, new user here
[4:13] <sniep> joined freenet-refs, and only talk is by bots, and they need my ref URL to make the trade
[4:14] <sniep> but, i do not know how to find the URL for this - was politely told to not ask in there so here i am
[4:20] <tigertony> sniep, I'm typing back to you in freenet-refs, that was the right place
[4:23] <sniep> okay thank you :)
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[5:40] <FreeYourMind> how do i change the port that freenet listens on?
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[6:32] <Cooo> FreeYourMind: You can change your port @ the confg page of Fproxy
[6:32] <Cooo> *config
[6:46] <FreeYourMind> here? http://127.0.0.1:8888/config/
[6:47] <FreeYourMind> i dont see anywhere to change the port, is there some advanced mode i need to enable?
[6:48] <FreeYourMind> brb
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[6:52] <n0ob> yes, "Enable Advanced Mode" under fproxy on the configuration page
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[7:13] <FreeYourMind> how can i change the port freenet runs on? i dont see where in the http://127.0.0.1:8888/config/ page
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[7:15] <n0ob> there are four ports freenet runs on: fcp (local clients like frost use this one), fproxy (the web interface), FNP Darknet (port to connect to your friends on) and FNP Opennet (connect to strangers on this port)
[7:15] <n0ob> which one do you want to change?
[7:17] <n0ob> if you search for 'port' on the configuration page you'll go through all the port options
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[8:40] <robd> Hey guys!
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[8:41] <robd> Just wondering... should there be some kind of output after I run the offline installer? I'm installing on FreeBSD and it doesn't appear to do anything
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[9:38] <saces> nextgens: persistent requests are not stored to downloads.dat
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[10:17] <nextgens> saces> what do you mean ?
[10:19] <saces> I have a download in queue, but the download.* files are emty.
[10:19] <saces> restarting the node the download is lost.
[10:24] <saces> looks like broken since yesterday http://dark-code.bulix.org/04aagb-61936
[10:25] <nextgens> okay
[10:25] <nextgens> will have a look tonight
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[10:32] <_FreeYou_> how am i supposed to change my ports if every time i try to it says it cannot change them on the fly
[10:32] <nextgens> you're not supposed to change the port number
[10:33] <_FreeYou_> thats nice
[10:33] <_FreeYou_> try again
[10:33] <nextgens> well, there is a sound reason behind that
[10:33] <_FreeYou_> and that is?
[10:33] <nextgens> using non-standard port numbers makes freenet's traffic harder to match/identify
[10:34] <_FreeYou_> what does the port number have to do with that?
[10:34] <_FreeYou_> a port number is used for establishing a connection
[10:35] <_FreeYou_> which is done by exchanging refs
[10:35] <_FreeYou_> beyond that, what does a port number have to do with anything in how freenet works?
[10:36] <nextgens> we tie everything to the port number
[10:36] <nextgens> filecreation/naming includes the port number
[10:36] <nextgens> so that we can easily start several nodes on our development computers
[10:37] <_FreeYou_> so basically i cant use the default ports and i cant change them, so... no freenet for me.
[10:37] <nextgens> well, changing it requires to edit freenet.ini when the node is down
[10:38] <nextgens> but keep in mind that if you really want to do so, you're on your own
[10:38] <nextgens> if you forget to update one single setting, your node's identity will be lost
[10:38] <_FreeYou_> what potential issues do i need to look for
[10:38] <nextgens> meaning that you will start a new node from scratch
[10:39] <_FreeYou_> well, my node doesnt really have an identity
[10:39] <_FreeYou_> im just starting
[10:39] <nextgens> okay
[10:39] <nextgens> hold on
[10:39] <_FreeYou_> yessum
[10:40] <nextgens> then change node.listenPort to something else
[10:40] <nextgens> it might re-create some directories and files
[10:40] <nextgens> you can safely delete them
[10:40] <nextgens> old ones I meant
[10:40] <_FreeYou_> should i remove anything left over?
[10:40] <_FreeYou_> should i also remove the 4 refs i currently have?
[10:42] <_FreeYou_> i see this value contains the hold port number, should i change it? node.tempDir=.\temp-58542
[10:42] <nextgens> you won't be able to connect to those refs, yes :/
[10:43] <nextgens> what you can do is to replace everything
[10:43] <nextgens> %s/58542/new_port_number/g
[10:43] <_FreeYou_> ok
[10:48] <_FreeYou_> so far no boom.
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[11:29] <_FreeYou_> any reason why i click thaw and see its loading splash, then that dissappears and nothing else ever comes up?
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[11:47] <nextgens> saces> are you using current trunk or an older version ?
[11:47] <nextgens> hi toad_
[11:47] <saces> nextgens: trunk. updated today.
[11:47] <toad_> hi
[11:49] <saces> btw, I have digged why echo not works. this issue breaks also my own plugin.
[11:49] <nextgens> it's related to what I've commited yesterday
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[12:06] <nextgens> I've found the bug
[12:11] <nextgens> I've cautgh one bug
[12:11] <nextgens> but it seems that they are more
[12:36] <saces> I have a working echo :)
[12:39] <nextgens> did you fix the l10n stuffs ?
[12:41] <saces> yes. its may is hack'isch, but works.
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[12:43] <nextgens> the proper fix would be to make it use the node's l10n framework imho
[12:46] <saces> the JarClassLoader.findresource() failed allways (urlformatexception) and the paths given by echo was wrong to
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[12:53] <saces> the JarClassLoader.findresource(name) requires an absolute path inside jar (name must start with /)
[12:55] <nextgens> well, commit your fix then :)
[12:55] * nextgens has found brazillion of bugs in the request persistence code
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[13:03] <Bombe> ClassLoader takes care of the path when getResource* is used, at least that's what the documentation says.
[13:08] <saces> fixing one typo in echo shows the next two , takes a minute more...
[13:09] <saces> Bombe: the starting / is said and logged, so its not longer an exuse ;)
[13:10] <Bombe> Yeah, of course one can use the absolute path but it shouldn't be necessary.
[13:11] <saces> JarClassLoader.findresource() fails with an urlformatexception if not.
[13:11] <Bombe> Yes, because findResource() should never get relative paths.
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[13:27] <Bombe> Hmm. It's not the ClassLoader that takes care of that, it's Class.getResourceAsStream().
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[13:37] <nextgens> saces> please test current trunk
[13:37] <nextgens> saces> including with a new node/when it crashes
[13:49] <nextgens> saces> please use '/' and not "/"
[13:49] <nextgens> saces> the jvm uses a StringBuffer to concatenate strings, whereas it doesn't for chars
[13:51] <Bombe> Even the case "char + String" uses a StringBuffer.
[13:51] <nextgens> ah ?
[13:51] <Bombe> Sure. What else would it do?
[13:52] <nextgens> dunno, something more adequate :p
[13:52] <Bombe> ;)
[13:52] <nextgens> what about .append() then ?
[13:53] <Bombe> StringBuffer.append()?
[13:54] <Bombe> Anyway, I don't think r15939 is right or even necessary.
[13:58] <saces> anyways, it allows echo and tird-party libs to work.
[13:58] <Bombe> Show me the line in Echo that uses it. It's probably wrong. :)
[14:00] <saces> the no.xom lib is the "übeltäter", in echo itself all leading '/' are added.
[14:04] <saces> nextgens: the download is restored after node restart.
[14:04] <Bombe> You don't need leading slashes if you use Class.getResource*.
[14:04] <nextgens> I'm more worried by race conditions and windosish behaviour than "general testing" :)
[14:07] <saces> just tried the echo build from emu, its works. at least here :P
[14:10] <Bombe> Yes, and it would have worked without changes to JarClassLoader. :)
[14:11] <saces> so fix my fix then ;)
[14:18] <Bombe> Echo doesn't run here. :)
[14:18] <Bombe> Hmm, "Broken XOM installation" it claims.
[14:20] <saces> it should work with the "rez hack"
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[14:29] <Bombe> Hmm.
[14:30] <saces> nextgens: both bouncycastle plugins are loaded now: mine and freemail. and both seems to work
[14:31] <Bombe> Okay, JarClassLoader was wrong. Unfortunately the docs don't mention that a leading slash is stripped, so the real fix would be to change the jar-URL.
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[17:22] <UukGoblin> hi
[17:23] <UukGoblin> java.io.CharConversionException <- I get such exception when I try to open most websites (like the AnotherIndex of Flog)
[17:23] <UukGoblin> is that normal? :-)
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[17:55] <ruwati> how do you configure refbot to trade darknet refs?
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[18:03] <Tommy[D]> UukGoblin, no, dont think so
[18:04] <Tommy[D]> ruwati, why do you want to do so?
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[18:46] <UukGoblin> Tommy[D], any ideas how to fix that? :-]
[18:49] <Tommy[D]> UukGoblin, can you give me a link to a site which fails for you?
[18:50] <UukGoblin> Tommy[D], http://localhost:8888/USK@zQyF2O1o8B4y40w7Twz8y2I9haW3d2DTlxjTHPu7zc8,h2mhQNNE9aQvF~2yKAmKV1uorr7141-QOroBf5hrlbw,AQACAAE/AnotherIndex/36/
[18:54] <Tommy[D]> hm, can get that site, whats the revision of your node?
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[19:27] <_FreeYou_> how do i remove refs?
[19:28] <Orakio> I have just a couple of questions about how freenet works and provides anonymity. 1: when requesting some data does it go through each node one by one in the same way so that you never know whether the node currently sending is relaying or the source, which makes things slower but is compensated for with cache? and does it use decent encryption such as public private with the correct handshake for sending new keys and such secretly? thanks.
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[19:32] <_FreeYou_> Orakio, thats like asking how to make sprinkles while not knowing how to make a cake or the frosting.
[19:33] <Orakio> It seems like a straight forward question
[19:33] <_FreeYou_> your question format is not in question, its content is.
[19:34] <Orakio> In which way?
[19:35] <Orakio> I get the impression the answer to the first question is yes.
[19:35] <Orakio> But the second one I'm not sure.
[19:35] <Orakio> ah
[19:36] <Orakio> I think the answer is yes
[19:36] <_FreeYou_> well the entire purpose of cache in any device is to speed things up for potential delays is it not?
[19:36] <Orakio> subspace keys seem to be the one
[19:36] <Orakio> yes and that's basically what the file store does
[19:37] <Orakio> Only that also serves to make it impossible to differentiate the source from the relay or at least should
[19:37] <_FreeYou_> impossible is a dangerous word, use it wisely.
[19:38] <Orakio> hmm yes but shouldn't the point of freenet to make it impossible to determine who does what hence providing anonymity
[19:39] <Orakio> and I'd say at the least that would be a step in the right direction
[19:40] <Orakio> Basically I'm wonderring if I need to make the system I want myself or if freenet does it all and saes me wasting time.
[19:40] <Orakio> so far it appears to do the stuff
[19:41] <_FreeYou_> if you were going to make a system yourself you would have done it already.
[19:41] <_FreeYou_> what makes you think your smart enough to outthink all the developers and people who have put their time into freenet?
[19:41] <_FreeYou_> there is no perfect system. freenet is only as secure as your peer nodes.
[19:42] <_FreeYou_> which inheriently makes it an insecure system due to there not being an overwhelming amount of friends that are likely to run freenet.
[19:43] <_FreeYou_> if your that paranoid, try i2p, but i warn you, its slower molassas
[19:44] <_FreeYou_> nothing is without flaws, all it takes is time collect enough traffic to correlate nodes and data on any anonymous network.
[19:45] <Orakio> all of your nodes would surely have to be insecure and in colabouration for them to realise if you are the source of something or not
[19:45] <_FreeYou_> no/
[19:45] <_FreeYou_> only one
[19:46] <Orakio> but surely if that one node said can I have turnip.txt to you and you said ok here it is it wouldn't know if you got it from a neighbour first or you had it from being the one that put it into the store
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[19:46] <_FreeYou_> its all about statistics. some things make it harder, some things make it easier.
[19:47] <reezer> hi, I'm getting a lot of errors: http://dark-code.bulix.org/ctasz5-62011 What should I do?
[19:47] <_FreeYou_> there is NO system that is perfect. It is IMPOSSIBLE.
[19:47] <Orakio> statistics or not one node would not be able to tell unless it was your only peer
[19:48] <Orakio> and even then the file maybe cached from a previous request that went through it
[19:48] <Orakio> I assume that say you had a net of 1000 nodes in size a file transfer could go through dozens of nodes
[19:49] <_FreeYou_> i dont even know how to explain how much of a tiny fragment that has to do with the entire system
[19:49] <_FreeYou_> there are so many aspects of the system that one must consider
[19:50] <_FreeYou_> information going through a node is just one.
[19:50] <_FreeYou_> or one group of information going though many nodes
[19:50] <Orakio> well put it this way how do you know I'm not connecting to this IRC server through a bnc, or a chain of 10?
[19:51] <_FreeYou_> lol
[19:51] <saces> is this just me or sucks firefox? trying to open this link ff buffers me with download a bin file to disk instead disply it as text..
[19:51] <saces> http://127.0.0.1:8888/CHK@TWirpqp8S7svvDl65nBOVVM0eNXd18ePn4jQgUZWZFU,RjTrYwKiuKGrcjzGcrKfP1UeG1qXPQ8eEdonMSdV5ys,AAIAAAA?type=text/plain
[19:52] <_FreeYou_> you win, freenet is the uber leetorz of the unholy hell unleashed onto the public to secure and obscure anything and everything beyond any intelligable comprehension of the human or artificial mind.
[19:52] <_FreeYou_> woot woot! ALL HAIL FREENET!
[19:52] <Orakio> Well I might just make my own systen
[19:52] <_FreeYou_> your not smart enough.
[19:52] <Orakio> It doesn't need to be as feature rich as freenet
[19:52] <_FreeYou_> you dont even understand the BASIC concepts of freent
[19:52] <_FreeYou_> go do some reading, learn you some knowledge, then try again.
[19:53] <Orakio> you're just conceited
[19:53] <_FreeYou_> i can tell from speaking to you that you do not have an understanding of what is required to "make my own"
[19:53] <_FreeYou_> there are many out there, you need to understand first what these systems are.
[19:54] <_FreeYou_> so many before you have tried, people who understand the systems required for implementation of anonymous activity on the web, literally thousands. You do not even understand one, freenet, and you expect to just go and make your own that will beat them all?
[19:55] <_FreeYou_> either shut up, listen to what im saying and go read a document or two, or shut up and go play some video games. your current state you do not know enough.
[19:56] <Orakio> I'm sorry but explain in detail what exactly it is that I don't understand?
[19:57] <_FreeYou_> well thats easy
[19:57] <_FreeYou_> when a man and woman fall inlove
[19:57] <_FreeYou_> there is a biological union that forms
[19:57] <_FreeYou_> two cells come together to form a complete human DNA chain
[19:57] <_FreeYou_> one is the sperm, the other is the egg
[19:57] <Orakio> Have you ever been called a troll before?
[19:58] <_FreeYou_> the male provides the sperm to fertalize the egg
[19:58] <Tommy[D]> reezer, the freenet-latest.log always contains "errors" and will do so in the future, i dont see something to worry about in your paste
[19:58] <_FreeYou_> no, but your an idiot and im tired of trying.
[19:58] <_FreeYou_> next stop, ignortopia.
[19:59] <_FreeYou_> where all your dreams of being ignored come true.
[19:59] <Tommy[D]> reezer, also i had only a short look on it, but be aware, every reader here now is able to see some more details about your node and your peers
[20:00] <Orakio> I'm stupid because I neglected to read the what is freenet page and guessed what it was and how it worked regardless?
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[20:01] <Kartoffelsalat> is there a bot (collets nodes) for windowsuser too?
[20:02] <_FreeYou_> no, i commend you in your ability to guess whats happening in the background, that is infact a sign of intelligent thinking, however, you being under the notion that you can piss on the work of thousands of people without even the complete understanding of ONE of the systems they have created is ignorant. and you call me conceited.
[20:03] <Tommy[D]> Orakio, the request goes trough each node the same way, only change is "HTL", else the request would never end
[20:03] <_FreeYou_> Kartoffelsalat: the same one that collects it for everone else. (hold on lemmie find the link)
[20:03] <Orakio> yes I figured that out
[20:03] <_FreeYou_> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/Refbot
[20:04] <Kartoffelsalat> thanks python :D
[20:04] <Kartoffelsalat> thanks
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[20:06] <Orakio> Well thanks _FreeYou_ for trying to destroy my confidence but I am fully capable of creating my own system, sending data over TCP/IP or UDP is easy enough, and getting an open source pubpri encryption library would be trivial. Making a good routing system for searching, sending and receiving over the network that doesn't advertise the source of the terminating points might be hard for some but I did my dissertating on small world networks and can traverse them at
[20:06] * _FreeYou_ sighs
[20:06] <_FreeYou_> have fun. :-)
[20:07] <Orakio> I will and hopefully it will make a few french people happy
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[20:07] <Tommy[D]> Orakio, why not use freenet?
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[20:08] <Orakio> I will, but with no deadline of course, If I make my own minimal system that's simplistic it will have it's place
[20:10] <Orakio> when I fix a spare box that I have in the corner I'll put it on there, allocate an amount of bandwidth and basically leave it running as an open proxy sort of thing but for freenet
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[20:11] <Orakio> with no restrictions except perhaps blocking filenapes containing (1[0-7]|0-9)yo
[20:11] <Orakio> and that kind of thing
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[20:17] <Tommy[D]> blocking what?
[20:18] <_FreeYou_> he wants to block child porn apparently. hes going to save the world for democracy too.
[20:19] <Tommy[D]> blocking not wanted content it not that easy with freenet....and thats one intention of freenet
[20:20] <_FreeYou_> shh tommy, he knows everything and is going to design his own, bigger and better then them all.
[20:20] <_FreeYou_> one super ultra impossible to find you network to rule them all!
[20:32] * _FreeYou_ is now known as FreeYourMind
[20:38] <FreeYourMind> i cant seem to get much activity going, i was going good last night, it is almost acting like im not port fowarded, however, i am, my internal IP has remained the same, and the ports are the same, i have ~20 peers, and i only connect to one or two at a time and often remain on "back off" status.
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[20:40] <Tarz12> can anyone help me get freenet to read my god damn external ip address and connect to peers
[20:41] <FreeYourMind> ask it nicely
[20:41] <FreeYourMind> do you know your external address?
[20:42] <Tarz12> that was nicely, the "god damn" was to the problem
[20:42] <Tarz12> i think so, although its not working with the hint thing
[20:42] <FreeYourMind> hmm
[20:42] <Tarz12> i went to the sites that give me the address
[20:42] <FreeYourMind> whats your network setup like?
[20:42] <Tarz12> im on a laptop with a static ip connected to a router
[20:42] <Tarz12> port fowarded
[20:42] <FreeYourMind> hmm
[20:43] <Tarz12> ive been trying to get it work for hours
[20:43] <Tarz12> it worked before
[20:43] <Tarz12> i was connected earlier, but i reinstalled freenet
[20:43] <FreeYourMind> yeah, i havent quite mastered getting freenet to work 100% of the time either
[20:43] <Tarz12> then it stopped working
[20:43] <NEOatNHNG> go to your routers config page, search for the ip there
[20:43] <FreeYourMind> actually, im new to actually using it.
[20:43] <Tarz12> i know the ip
[20:43] <FreeYourMind> mine was working great last night, today, wont do jack.
[20:44] <Tarz12> freenet doesnt
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[20:44] <Tarz12> i looked online and i know others have the same issues, but nothing worked for me
[20:44] <Tarz12> jstun wont run because it says there is no need to
[20:45] <NEOatNHNG> Tarz12, just to make shure it's a problem with your node otherwise helping might get complicated if not impossible
[20:46] <FreeYourMind> how do i delete old refs? does freenet have any mechanism that removes dead ones automatically?
[20:46] <FreeYourMind> or can i collect many? it doesnt seem to go above 20
[20:46] <NEOatNHNG> what do you mean by old refs?
[20:46] <NEOatNHNG> opennet or darknet?
[20:46] <FreeYourMind> open
[20:47] <Tarz12> how can i make sure its a problem with my node
[20:47] <Tarz12> i cant find my external address on the routers page, all i have is what the websites tell me but maybe that is a mask
[20:47] <Tarz12> anyway to find out?
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[20:50] <Tommy[D]> eh, Tarz12, you reinstalled freenet?
[20:50] <Tommy[D]> how?
[20:50] <NEOatNHNG> FreeYourMind, the node just collects 20 refs the old ones will be deleted
[20:51] <Tarz12> i uninstalled with the uninstaller
[20:51] <Tarz12> deleted the folder
[20:51] <Tarz12> then installed again
[20:51] <Tarz12> im thinking that might have caused it
[20:51] <Tommy[D]> Tarz12, in this case, all old peers are lost
[20:51] <Tarz12> but im not sure, nor know how to fix it
[20:51] <Tarz12> yea i know
[20:51] <Tarz12> i lost them all
[20:52] <Tommy[D]> Tarz12, did you give the hint and is your external ip in your ref?
[20:52] <NEOatNHNG> Tarz12, your router should display your external IP-Adress somewhere (in most cases the status page) and if it's a fixed one as you said it has to know it to get a connection to the net
[20:53] <Tarz12> i have the hint but no its not in my ref
[20:53] <Tommy[D]> Tarz12, enter the external ip as a hint and refresh the page and have a look again
[20:53] <Tarz12> yea i know the external
[20:53] <Tarz12> did that
[20:54] <Tarz12> nothing
[20:55] <Tommy[D]> after entereing the hint, the ref did not change and show your external ip?
[20:56] <NEOatNHNG> when you entered the IP you clicked "save" or something similar right? just to exclud the obvious
[20:56] <Tarz12> no change
[20:56] <Tarz12> yea
[20:56] <Tarz12> it knows my static ip
[20:56] <Tarz12> external is different
[20:56] <NEOatNHNG> and you entered the external
[20:57] <Tarz12> at the hint?
[20:57] <Tarz12> yes
[20:57] <Tarz12> is there another place?
[20:57] <NEOatNHNG> mhh
[20:57] <Tommy[D]> that should to the trick normaly
[20:57] <Tommy[D]> s/to/do/g
[20:57] <Tarz12> ?
[20:58] <Tarz12> yea it doesnt
[20:58] <Tarz12> tried it many times
[20:58] <Tarz12> i even put in every ip address i saw just in case
[20:58] <Tarz12> im pretty sure this is why i cant connect to any peers
[20:58] <Tarz12> i used to be able to though
[21:00] <Tarz12> is there supposed to be a line in the ref with the external ip?
[21:00] <Tommy[D]> without external ip in your ref, you wont get any connections, yes
[21:00] <Tarz12> because its not there
[21:00] <Tarz12> well
[21:01] <Tarz12> what if i add it manually
[21:01] <Tarz12> to the ref
[21:01] <Tarz12> then share that
[21:01] <Tommy[D]> simple logic: how else should they find you?
[21:01] <Tommy[D]> Tarz12, wont work, its signed
[21:01] <Tarz12> it worked before
[21:01] <Tarz12> and i might have had this problem too, just clicked hide
[21:01] <Tarz12> but im not sure if i did
[21:02] <Tarz12> i gtg
[21:02] <Tarz12> ty
[21:02] <NEOatNHNG> i just looked into my ref no ip there too
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[21:04] <NEOatNHNG> Tommy[D], and I didn't find any option where I may have turned it off
[21:10] <Tommy[D]> NEOatNHNG, turn off what?
[21:10] <NEOatNHNG> I must have been blind, there it is
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[21:12] <NEOatNHNG> Tommy[D], I meant an option which said "do not include IP in ref" or something similar (that is just for local adresses) but it seems logical that there is no such option
[21:13] <Tommy[D]> NEOatNHNG, how should the other node connect, if it does not know your ip? magic connection? :)
[21:18] <FreeYourMind> how do i manually delete all of my opennet refs?
[21:18] <NEOatNHNG> I don't know if there's such an option
[21:19] <NEOatNHNG> you can turn off opennet
[21:20] <FreeYourMind> what other reason is there that i am having no connectivity to the freenet network?
[21:22] <Tommy[D]> all Opennet refs deleting? easiest way would be disable Opennet and reenable Opennet
[21:22] <Tommy[D]> FreenetLogBot, your external ip is in your ref?
[21:22] <FreeYourMind> i assume you accomplish this in the config panel?
[21:22] <Tommy[D]> FreeYourMind, , your external ip is in your ref?
[21:22] <Tommy[D]> yes
[21:25] <FreeYourMind> can someone tell me the point of the config panel if nothing can be changed on the fly and the page doesnt exist if the server is shut down?
[21:29] <HarryR`Home> FreeYourMind, to serve as an annotated way to edit the config file...
[21:29] <FreeYourMind> ok, well i hate to break it to everyone, but disabling it and re-enabling it didnt delete any refs
[21:30] <FreeYourMind> HarryR`Away: how does it edit the config file when it wont modify anything because the server is running
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[21:30] <FreeYourMind> you'd have to shut down the node to modify the settings, shutdown the node, no config editor.
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[21:31] <FreeYourMind> oh well, im done with this useless piece of shit
[21:34] <Tommy[D]> FreeYourMind, many things can be changed on the fly....
[21:34] <Tommy[D]> FreeYourMind, and if freenet serves the pages, how should you access them if you stop freenet?
[21:34] <FreeYourMind> things piss me off then they work one day and dont the next and i cant figure out why, thats like windows.
[21:35] <Tommy[D]> perhaps you should yourself get some patience, read and learn something about freenet and try again? :)
[21:39] <FreeYourMind> lol, i dont have patience, and by everything ive already read, things should be working.
[21:39] <FreeYourMind> things were working last night
[21:40] <Tommy[D]> perhaps you should telle us ecactly, what has changed since then and whats the problem?
[21:40] <FreeYourMind> figureing out whats changed is ofcourse the objective.
[21:40] <FreeYourMind> nothing
[21:40] <FreeYourMind> went to sleep, shutdown my computer
[21:40] <FreeYourMind> booted it back up
[21:41] <FreeYourMind> checked my interal IP, its the same, checked my external IP, its the same.
[21:41] <FreeYourMind> tried the refbot for a few hours
[21:41] <FreeYourMind> would i just happy to be hitting a down period of connections?
[21:41] <Tommy[D]> eh, you shut down the computer....
[21:42] <Tommy[D]> in this case, all opennet connections are lost
[21:42] <FreeYourMind> so ive noticed, what do i do about it?
[21:43] <Tommy[D]> do you have any connections at the moment?
[21:43] <FreeYourMind> two on "Backed Off" status.
[21:46] <Tommy[D]> do you use freenet (browse it, use frost or anything else)?
[21:46] <FreeYourMind> have i? or am i currently? (yes, no)
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[21:47] <Tommy[D]> do it
[21:47] <Tommy[D]> Freenet will get you more Opennet Connections, if you use it
[21:47] <FreeYourMind> ive tried
[21:47] <FreeYourMind> everything is dead
[21:48] <Tommy[D]> even frost?
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[21:53] <FreeYourMind> i havent used frost long enough to know if its actually connecting or not. it did start up fine.
[21:57] <Tommy[D]> frost tries to fetch messages from the network. so freenet is used and can search for more peers
[22:00] <FreeYourMind> ok well i think it just grabbed a bunch of new messages
[22:01] <FreeYourMind> how come i cant get my localhost:8888 to update? its just sitting there trying to load
[22:06] <FreeYourMind> i dunno, anyways i got somewhere to be
[22:07] <FreeYourMind> thanks for helping
[22:07] <FreeYourMind> i'll screw with it more later
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[23:13] <_FreeYou_> ok, im back
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[23:15] <FreeYourMind> can anyone help me figure out why my node seems to not be making connections and having VERY slow to none access to freenet content?
[23:16] <FreeYourMind> ive checked the basics like port fowarding interal and external IP's since it was working yesterday
[23:18] <Tommy[D]> How much peers do you have?
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[23:25] <FreeYourMind> i have 20
[23:26] <FreeYourMind> only 3 (a record high for the day) are connected, however they remain on "backed off" status
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[23:32] <FreeYourMind> nodeAveragePingTime too high
[23:32] <FreeYourMind> This node is having trouble talking with its peers quickly enough (10961ms > 3000ms). Increase your output bandwidth limit and/or remove some peers to improve the situation.
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[23:32] <FreeYourMind> how do i remove peers???
[23:34] <NEOatNHNG> in opennet? if you say, only 3 are connected and your bandwithlimit is at a level that makes sense, that shouldn't be the problem
[23:35] <Tommy[D]> if you only have 3, you should not need to remove any, how much bandwith do you have?
[23:35] <FreeYourMind> lots
[23:35] <FreeYourMind> on torrents i can upload in excess of 100ks
[23:35] <Tommy[D]> free bandwith?
[23:35] <FreeYourMind> its the only thing running
[23:35] <NEOatNHNG> what is the limit you set up in the config section?
[23:35] <FreeYourMind> unless irc is becoming a sudden bandwith whore
[23:36] <Tommy[D]> and you run the latest stable release?
[23:36] <FreeYourMind> :P
[23:36] <FreeYourMind> yep
[23:36] <FreeYourMind> my limit is set to 96k
[23:36] <Tommy[D]> Do you upload or try to upload something?
[23:37] <FreeYourMind> nope
[23:37] <NEOatNHNG> maybe the other side (your peers) is the problem, did you try exchanging new refs via mail #freenet-refs whever?
[23:38] <FreeYourMind> cant
[23:38] <FreeYourMind> cant get rid of the old ones
[23:38] <FreeYourMind> as ive been asking how to do for like 3 hours
[23:38] <FreeYourMind> :P
[23:38] <FreeYourMind> i have refbot running
[23:38] <NEOatNHNG> the node will just delete the ones not connected
[23:38] <FreeYourMind> been running for 5 hours
[23:38] <FreeYourMind> well, my node doesnt appear to be
[23:38] <NEOatNHNG> try it manually
[23:38] <FreeYourMind> okie dokie
[23:40] <FreeYourMind> either of you want to opennet connect to me?
[23:41] <NEOatNHNG> I don't have opennet enabled
[23:41] <NEOatNHNG> try it on #freenet-refs that is the right place
[23:41] <FreeYourMind> yeah, im there, i was asking so like if one of you wanted to see what was going on with the connection or something
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