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[0:13] <Huntersan9x> hello all
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[0:35] <zaney> Thaw just lost all but 1/4 of my cued downloads :(
[0:36] <zaney> i'm going back to frost + fuqid
[0:36] <Jflesch> zaney: THAW DON'T LOSE DOWNLOADS.
[0:36] <Jflesch> ù#{[é#$£@
[0:37] <Jflesch> s/DON'T/DOESN'T/
[0:37] <zaney> DID ON ME
[0:38] <Jflesch> no, the node DID.
[0:38] <zaney> just...poof
[0:38] <zaney> =\
[0:39] <zaney> oh?
[0:39] <Jflesch> Thaw don't store the download list, the node does it
[0:39] <zaney> is thaw just an interface for using whatever download service the node uses?
[0:39] <zaney> ohh
[0:39] <zaney> ok
[0:39] <Jflesch> arh, s/don't/doesn't/
[0:39] <Jflesch> zaney: yes
[0:41] <Jflesch> another way to access the download queue of the node is http://127.0.0.1:8888/queue/
[0:41] <zaney> oddly enough, the cue listed there is completely different to the cue listed in thaw
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[0:42] <Jflesch> zaney: Thaw can only display what the node indicates to it
[0:43] <Jflesch> zaney: and it wouldn't be the first time that someone has some troubles with the download queue
[0:43] <zaney> thaw is reporting on of the files at 65% while the cue from 127.0.0.1 /queue/ is reporting it at 97%
[0:43] <Jflesch> zaney: oh this point is normal
[0:43] <Jflesch> thaw uses just a different way to compute the pourcentages
[0:43] <zaney> there are some that thaw has listed that the cue doesn't, and visa versa
[0:43] <Jflesch> -> in thaw most of the downloads ends at 66%
[0:43] <zaney> ohh
[0:43] <zaney> ok
[0:46] <zaney> wait no i was wrong, the one that's on the cue list was truncated by thaw, and the ones that were in thaw weren't in the cue because they hadn't started yet
[0:46] <zaney> i feel like an idiot now :)
[0:46] <zaney> i should probably get more sleep
[0:47] <Jflesch> truncated ? oO
[0:47] <zaney> the "file" bar pulled too far too the left so the name gets cut off
[0:48] <Jflesch> ah
[0:48] <Jflesch> k
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[4:54] <Wolf9696> Hello? Anyone alive here?
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[5:19] <TomMD> I can't seem to get my newy-setup friends out of 'never connected'. Any common issues? I'm looking through the wiki more right now.
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[5:50] <TheSeeker> one of you might be firewalled and need to open up ports.
[5:50] <TheSeeker> internet gateway/router = firewall
[5:53] <TomMD> yes, I've turned on port forwarding, but am still waiting... oh well... I'll see if anything changes in 9 hours.
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[5:57] <TheSeeker> you added their noderef and they added yours, right?
[5:58] <TheSeeker> And be sure that it's udp that you're (both) forwarding.
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[8:06] <saces> morning
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[9:36] <kolo2_> hello anybody have freemail?
[9:37] <kolo2_> please send me a email test
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[9:38] <kolo2_> hello anybody have freemail?
[9:38] <kolo2_> hello
[9:38] <kolo2_> hello anybody have freemail? please send me a f-mail
[9:51] <lhunath> you can be pretty annoying.
[9:52] <Ratchet> kolo2_: what's your email?
[9:52] <kolo2_> anything@MJ7ES5LYOZFXE23BGBYFO6LWKNEG6MSEIZSHO42BJ5JES4TKNFDWCTLNOA4DGZ2JJJ2UCLD2NE2U2SLTJRVXIV3ZHE3GI2SHG5GHCUDWK5TS2TCRK5GEOMSIINVGGSDRMJ5H4ZRUJBCSYQKRIFBUCQKF.freemail
[9:53] <kolo2_> do You know what change 'anything' from adress?
[9:53] <Ratchet> I can just put anything in front of your mail.
[9:53] <Ratchet> it literally means "anything"
[9:53] <Ratchet> do you have a short adress?
[9:54] <Ratchet> I'll just send it to the long one :-)
[9:57] <Ratchet> sent. this will take some time to insert
[9:59] <kolo2_> yes
[9:59] <kolo2_> Secure Freemail address: anything@MJ7ES5LYOZFXE23BGBYFO6LWKNEG6MSEIZSHO42BJ5JES4TKNFDWCTLNOA4DGZ2JJJ2UCLD2NE2U2SLTJRVXIV3ZHE3GI2SHG5GHCUDWK5TS2TCRK5GEOMSIINVGGSDRMJ5H4ZRUJBCSYQKRIFBUCQKF.freemail
[9:59] <kolo2_> Short Freemail address (*probably* secure): anything@alleluja.pl.freemail
[9:59] <kolo2_> in my freemail when start
[9:59] <Ratchet> ok
[10:00] <kolo2_> hm.. meybe my adress in not anything?
[10:00] <Ratchet> mail should arrive no matter what the first part is
[10:00] <kolo2_> when I create email i put some words
[10:00] <kolo2_> aha
[10:04] <kolo2_>
[10:05] <kolo2_> hmm.. nothing happened
[10:05] <Ratchet> this will take some time
[10:08] <kolo2_> ok tell me what is Your email
[10:08] <kolo2_> i send test e-mail to You ok?
[10:09] <Ratchet> ratchet@kimar.freemail
[10:10] <Ratchet> the mail I sent is inserted now. should show up in your account the next 10 minutes
[10:11] <kolo2_> ok
[10:11] <kolo2_> I send to You too
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[10:34] <kolo2_> hmmm ... still nothing happened. I leave program for 2h ;) thanks.
[10:34] <kolo2_> If You have any friends can You put my e-mail.
[10:34] <kolo2_> bye
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[11:45] <kello> hi.... need some help with freenet-refs - dont know where to find my ref url?
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[11:50] <kryptos23> KelloCooL .... look on the friends page
[11:50] <kryptos23> and then ask around for refs in #freenet-refs
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[12:30] <KelloCooL> thx.. problem solved.... the dark-code website doesn't work.. found another wwbsite to paste ref into..
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[12:31] <KelloCooL> now I need some refs.... many bots in freenet-refs, but most of them doesnt accept connections :)
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[12:48] <saces> hi, taod_
[12:48] <saces> hm. sort first then type
[12:48] <saces> hi, toad_
[12:49] <saces> what is a SVK?
[12:50] <kryptos23> saces .. its a svn with additional features.... VCS
[12:52] <saces> ah. thanks.
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[13:07] <blurpc> hello
[13:08] <blurpc> i have an "error 1067" when i try to start freenet, but there's no other process of freenet already working, so i don't really know what the problem is
[13:09] <blurpc> does anyone know what my problem is here ?
[13:11] <Zothar_Work> blurpc: check that you don't have missing or corrupted files for freenet.jar and freenet-ext.jar; that's one of the reasons for that message I know of (unfortunately, it's a rather generic error); also check the wrapper.log file in the directory where Freenet was installed as it might contain clues as to the cause of the problem
[13:12] <blurpc> ok, i'll do that
[13:13] <blurpc> Initializing Node using Freenet Build #1073 r15753 and freenet-ext Build #17 r14866 with Sun Microsystems Inc. JVM version 1.6.0_01-b06 running on x86 Windows 2000 5.0
[13:13] <blurpc> Starting SimpleToadletServer on 8888
[13:13] <blurpc> Failed to load node: Could not bind to port: 26983 (node already running?) (10)
[13:13] <blurpc> freenet.node.NodeInitException: Could not bind to port: 26983 (node already running?) (10)
[13:13] <blurpc> at freenet.node.NodeCrypto.<init>(NodeCrypto.java:123)
[13:13] <blurpc> at freenet.node.Node.<init>(Node.java:626)
[13:14] <blurpc> at freenet.node.NodeStarter.start(NodeStarter.java:152)
[13:14] <blurpc> at org.tanukisoftware.wrapper.WrapperManager$12.run(WrapperManager.java:2788)
[13:14] <blurpc> <-- Wrapper Stopped
[13:16] <Zothar_Work> check for java processes and kill them as 26983 is very unlikely to be used by some other program, especially if your node has ever worked before
[13:17] <blurpc> well, i really don't see anything like freenet nor java running
[13:18] <blurpc> is peerguardian known to disturb freenet ?
[13:19] <FuriousRage> PG is shit ;>
[13:20] <Zothar_Work> peerguardian won't bind the port that I know of, but I don't really know much about Peerguardian except, from what I've heard of how it works, it can very easily give a false sense of security/privacy from goverment entities
[13:20] <Zothar_Work> blurpc: I assume you've checked the process list for java.exe entries; java won't likely show up in the application list or the task bar if that's where you've been looking
[13:20] <blurpc> yes but a false sense of security is still better than no security at all in this case :p
[13:22] <FuriousRage> false sense of security is no security at all
[13:22] <blurpc> well, i'm not using the regular windows process explorer, i'm using a process explorer developed by a thing called sysinternals, and it gives me all processes
[13:22] <FuriousRage> specially if you rely on the crap peerguardian
[13:22] <blurpc> FuriousRage --> true :)
[13:22] <blurpc> well, yes but i don't know that else to use
[13:22] <FuriousRage> common sense ;>
[13:23] <blurpc> but still, java really isn't on right now
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[13:25] <blurpc> i'll try to solve the problem myself
[13:25] <blurpc> thanks anyway
[13:25] <dbkr> netstat, surely
[13:25] <dbkr> will tell you if anything's bound to your freenet port
[13:26] <blurpc> but, you know FuriousRage, the only way to not get arrested is to live in a good country like sweden, otherwise, there's no real protection
[13:26] <FuriousRage> :P
[13:26] <blurpc> or, i'm going to try that
[13:27] <Zothar_Work> blurpc: well, a reboot should clear the bound port unless there really is some system service that's decided to bind to it
[13:28] <blurpc> ok, i'll reboot, i'll be back in 5 min
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[13:37] <blurpc> nop, still doesn't work
[13:38] <blurpc> and according to netstat, the port is not open
[13:40] <blurpc> i'll try to figure it out by myself
[13:40] <blurpc> thanks for your help
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[14:18] <bback> hi
[14:19] <Zothar_Work> howdy
[14:19] <bback> ok so far :)
[14:22] <saces> hi.
[14:23] <bback> hi
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[14:29] <Cooo> It should be safe to delete the *.dump files that i have in my Freenet folder, Right?
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[16:24] <vesath> under dwm (a lightweight window manager), Frost and Thaw run perfectly well
[16:24] <vesath> except that their windows are entirely grey (it's monochromatic - no toolbar, nothing)
[16:24] <vesath> i don't have this problem with jSite, however...
[16:24] <vesath> do you have any idea how i can investigate and fix that?
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[16:28] <saces> look at frosts readme
[16:33] <vesath> thanks!
[16:36] <vesath> i don't use beryl though, so maybe it's worth adding a line in the readme to explain this is not necessarily related to beryl
[16:38] <saces> the grayed window hint is not clear?
[16:39] <saces> (at least the svn/beta version have it)
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[16:42] <vesath> oh, ok... i don't have it in my 19-Jul-2007 package of Frost
[16:42] <vesath> the readme only mentions beryl, in that version
[16:52] <saces> the updated version in svn/beta have also a hint for grayed window.
[16:54] <saces> so we both are right ;)
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[17:00] <kolo2_> hello
[17:00] <kolo2_> who send me a test freemail?
[17:01] * kolo2_ anything@MJ7ES5LYOZFXE23BGBYFO6LWKNEG6MSEIZSHO42BJ5JES4TKNFDWCTLNOA4DGZ2JJJ2UCLD2NE2U2SLTJRVXIV3ZHE3GI2SHG5GHCUDWK5TS2TCRK5GEOMSIINVGGSDRMJ5H4ZRUJBCSYQKRIFBUCQKF.freemail
[17:03] <Ratchet> kolo2_: your short mail is not working because of the second dot
[17:11] <kolo2_> where second dot?
[17:12] <Ratchet> alleluja.pl.freemail - how many dots do you see? :-)
[17:12] <Ratchet> freemail is looking for the ksk shortcut alleluja-mailsite, not alleluja.pl-mailsite
[17:13] <Ratchet> for the mailsite redirect
[17:13] <kolo2_> 2
[17:13] <kolo2_> I must generate new e-mail ;)
[17:13] <Ratchet> yes :-)
[17:13] <kolo2_> ?
[17:14] <kolo2_> I received one email
[17:14] <dbkr> hmm, could you bugzilla that?
[17:14] <kolo2_> and email when send himself
[17:14] <Ratchet> dbkr: as soon as I'm home from work
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[17:15] <dbkr> actually, I'll do it now
[17:15] <Ratchet> ok :-)
[17:16] <amphibian> hi
[17:16] <amphibian> saces: SVK is a distributed version control system based on SVN
[17:17] <kolo2_> ok second probe ;)
[17:17] <kolo2_> send me : anything@Piernik.freemail
[17:19] <kolo2_> Ratchet: send me a post ;) mailto:anything@MNVH46DPGBZXGQZNIE3DS5BWORKHCQLZNVUDQMCWOEZVQZDUI5WEEMSHMNCW23KYLBGWGLCHIFCHILKHOY2DQ6JXLFRUIVZRKFBHM5L2FU3W46KTJEYGMM2GINVWUZLSHBMWWVTYJI4CYQKRIFBUCQKF.freemail
[17:19] <kolo2_> meybe now will be work
[17:20] <dbkr> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=1871
[17:20] <dbkr> fwiw
[17:20] <Ratchet> kolo2_: sent
[17:20] <kolo2_> ok
[17:20] <Ratchet> to short adress
[17:20] <saces> amphibian: but it is written in perl, a lang more to install on the client vm.
[17:20] <kolo2_> i'm waiting
[17:20] <Ratchet> it will take some time
[17:21] <kolo2_> Ratchet: by previous freemail not received?
[17:21] <Ratchet> no
[17:22] <kolo2_> ;( pity
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[17:27] <Journeyman> how do you enableTMCI
[17:27] <Journeyman> when I try to enable it, i get an error saying it can't be enabled on the fly
[17:27] <dbkr> just restart the node now you've enabled it IIRC
[17:28] <Journeyman> I tried that
[17:28] <Journeyman> it shows as disabled
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[17:28] <dbkr> well that sucks
[17:28] <dbkr> I guess edit the config file then
[17:29] <dbkr> making sure you shit down the node before you edit it
[17:29] <dbkr> or you'll have a fight on your hands
[17:30] <Journeyman> where is the conf file
[17:30] <dbkr> freenet.ini in your freenet dir
[17:31] <kolo2_>
[17:31] <kolo2_> when the freenet will be rewrite in C?
[17:31] <Journeyman> ah
[17:32] <Journeyman> kolo2_: why would it be rewrote in C?
[17:32] <dbkr> kolo2_: duno. Are you planning on doing so? ;)
[17:32] <kolo2_> therefore I t will be better instaling on serwer
[17:32] <kolo2_> & integrated with other software
[17:33] <kolo2_> the gcc will be recode from bytecode java to native code. Meybe this is good idea
[17:33] <dbkr> yes, but for better OS intergration you pay in portability
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[17:34] <dbkr> and GCJ sucked for Freenet last I tried
[17:34] <dbkr> sadly
[17:34] <Journeyman> dbkr: manually editing it worked, thanks
[17:34] <dbkr> np
[17:34] <Journeyman> now to get more refs
[17:34] <Journeyman> all mine go offline
[17:34] <Journeyman> or never connect
[17:35] <kolo2_> dbkr: eeee. the OSource programs like gimp firefox or openoffice working on many platforms
[17:35] <dbkr> yes, but not as servers.
[17:36] <dbkr> wrt: [17:28] <kolo2_> therefore I t will be better instaling on serwer
[17:36] <kolo2_> apache ;P
[17:36] <kolo2_> php
[17:36] <kolo2_> ruby
[17:36] <kolo2_> ;)
[17:36] <dbkr> I've never thought apache really fit in windows
[17:37] <saces> it is a proper iis replacement.
[17:38] <dbkr> the point is that by it makes portability a damn site harder
[17:39] <dbkr> apart from the fact that porting it would require hundreds of man hours that could be spent on fixing bugs or adding features
[17:40] <saces> apache covers the portability stuff in a separate lib (APR - apache portable runtime)
[17:41] <kolo2_> Ratchet: freemail working
[17:41] <kolo2_> thanks
[17:41] <Ratchet> cool
[17:41] <dbkr> saces: yes, and I suspect they invested a lot of man hours writing APR.
[17:41] <kolo2_> I enjoyed too ;)
[17:42] <saces> dbkr: apr is used by subversion for example, so a few hours comes from here to...
[17:43] <dbkr> still take time to integrate with APR, no?
[17:43] <dbkr> you get it for free in Java.
[17:44] <saces> but only for platforms that supports java.
[17:45] <saces> and supports the right java version.
[17:46] <dbkr> what platforms does APR target?
[17:47] <saces> ansi c I'll guess.
[17:47] <dbkr> I'd be surprised
[17:47] <kolo2_> freenet not working on my palmtop with windows PPC
[17:48] <dbkr> anyhow
[17:48] * dbkr -> home
[17:48] <kolo2_> free net not working on many hardware (like net switch,routers etc.)
[17:49] <saces> kolo2_: if your router can run a sun-java-vm 1.4 or later....
[17:49] <kolo2_> 1.4 not working ok
[17:50] <kolo2_> I know . I use before freenet 0.7 on it
[17:50] <saces> what hardware is it?
[17:53] <kolo2_> linux
[17:53] <kolo2_> normal PC
[17:53] <kolo2_> freemail frost & other software not working
[17:53] <saces> forget my last question. my fault.
[17:55] <saces> kolo2_: install sun java (1.6?) and you should be fine.
[17:55] <kolo2_> yes I instaled
[17:55] <kolo2_> ;)
[17:55] <kolo2_> this is example
[17:56] <kolo2_> to java is no best in every time
[17:56] <kolo2_> C is better
[17:56] <Journeyman> kolo2_: define "better"
[17:56] <Journeyman> kolo2_: why don't you port it to C then
[17:56] <Journeyman> kolo2_: how so?
[17:56] <saces> = other problems? ;)
[17:56] <kolo2_> faster/more interoperability more platforms
[17:56] <Journeyman> just saying something is better doesn't make it true
[17:56] <Tommy[D]> every language has its advantage and disadvantage, nothing is only better the opposite
[17:57] <Journeyman> why the hell would you run freenet on a router
[17:57] <Tommy[D]> kolo2_, get the source, port it to C and commit it or send it to the dev mailing list? :)
[17:58] <kolo2_> he he
[17:58] <kolo2_> next time
[17:58] <Tommy[D]> Journeyman, little computer, does not need much, is not load.....does already run in most cases 24/7....
[17:58] <Tommy[D]> s/load/loud/
[17:59] <saces> find a tool that creates ansi-c source from a jar and crossbuild this ;)
[17:59] <Journeyman> so not like a hardware router then
[17:59] <Journeyman> like a cisco or linksys thing
[18:02] <Tommy[D]> Journeyman, if the hardware router is open (perhaps even runs linux), why not?
[18:03] <saces> google for NetGear KWGR 614.
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[18:07] <saces> if gcc (the suite I mean) can build the node, it should also be able to crossbuild it.
[18:09] <kolo2_> the node-s is not many ;(
[18:14] <Journeyman> Tommy[D]: that would be intresting because your network would have access to freenet, and you would only have to run one node
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[23:15] <dbkr> hmm, the freenet mirroring system is set up such that it's impossible to fetch files reliably from ant
[23:15] <dbkr> after all the faff with loading the url from the url file
[23:16] <dbkr> ant just seems to give up if it's sent to the ftp mirror.
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[23:26] <toad_> we really shouldn't be fetching stuff from ant :|
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[23:27] <dbkr> I'm not sure what the alternative is
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