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[0:11] <elementz> guys need help installing freenet on win
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[0:13] <toad_> elementz: what's the problem?
[0:14] <elementz> dled the installer - installed - but can't run it - do i need to run a jar? and which one would it be? btw i am on vista
[0:21] <elementz> ok narrowed it down
[0:21] <elementz> i am behind a router - opened the respective udp port - what next? do i need to set up the routers ip somewhere?
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[7:48] <Crank21> hi!
[7:48] <Crank21> I'd like to get some information about freenet
[7:49] <Crank21> I'm a programmer and I'm trying to develop an anonymous p2p client
[7:49] <Crank21> who can help me? :-)
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[8:14] <srivatsan> Crank21 .... what exactly do you want to know?
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[8:17] <Crank21> excuse me
[8:17] <Crank21> I'm back now :-D
[8:17] <Crank21> I'd like to understand how anonimity is achieved on freenet
[8:18] <Crank21> which strategies are used?
[8:19] <srivatsan> Crank21.... our network is based on the small world topology. as of now... users connect to darknet peers.. i.e only to *trusted* ones
[8:19] <Crank21> uhm
[8:20] <srivatsan> there is also a version of opennet currently in place....
[8:20] <Crank21> wait
[8:20] <srivatsan> its difficult to say from where to start..... it depends on how much you know abt anaonymity and p2p in general
[8:21] <Crank21> what "small world topology" mean? It's not a popular one...
[8:21] <Crank21> i'm also a network technician, but I don't know this topology
[8:22] <Crank21> obviously freenet is serverless, this is clear
[8:22] <srivatsan> Crank21 ..... really...... u must understand the network topology of freenet before appreciating why it is different
[8:22] <Crank21> in a decentralized network like Kad, we aren't so safe
[8:23] <Crank21> since all nodes are related to their IP
[8:23] <srivatsan> i would suggest reading the papers in the freenet site
[8:23] <Crank21> you're right
[8:23] <srivatsan> the wiki is also a good source of information... so is the wikipedia article on Freenet
[8:24] <Crank21> ok, but I'd like to read a "short explanation"... ^_^
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[8:24] <Crank21> just to learn the basics
[8:24] <srivatsan> Crank21 .. may this will help
[8:24] <srivatsan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet#Technical_design
[8:25] <srivatsan> This is most concise u can get :(
[8:25] <Crank21> ok
[8:25] <Crank21> i'm going to read it
[8:25] <Crank21> perhaps I'll ask you something
[8:26] <Crank21> so stay here for a while, ok?
[8:26] <Crank21> ;-)
[8:26] <srivatsan> ok
[8:31] <Crank21> wikipedia says that nobody knows what is storing
[8:31] <Crank21> this is a problem, IMHO
[8:32] <Crank21> what about if someone shares bad files (=porn videos or other ugly things)?
[8:32] <zaney> i don't think you understand the reason for freenet existing
[8:33] <Crank21> every node could store bad data...
[8:33] <Crank21> tell me
[8:33] <zaney> bad is your idea of bad
[8:34] <Crank21> ok, but I have the right to choose what to share
[8:34] <Crank21> I don't want to help the spreading of some things
[8:34] <zaney> then you shouldn't help spread any things
[8:34] <Crank21> I'll use my hd and my bw to share what I want
[8:34] <Crank21> not everything
[8:35] <Crank21> I mean a behaviour like eMule: you choose which files and folders you want to share
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[8:35] <srivatsan> Crank21 > you dont know what resides in ur HD; its completely randomized
[8:36] <Crank21> I know
[8:36] <Crank21> it's a kind of anarchy... :-/
[8:36] <Crank21> there should be a way to control which kind of files you want to store
[8:37] <srivatsan> that is your point of view.... you dont quite seem to understand the purpose of Freenet
[8:37] <zaney> it's not like emule, in that you don't share the contents of your hdd, you share files by manually uploading them
[8:38] <srivatsan> http://freenetproject.org/philosophy.html
[8:38] <Crank21> It's a matter of freedom, but I have the right to determine which files I want to share
[8:38] <srivatsan> Crank21 ^
[8:38] <Crank21> it's a way to express what I like and what I dislike
[8:38] <Crank21> even on a moral side
[8:39] <zaney> it's a way to control what you like and dislike, not express
[8:40] <zaney> freenet uses udp right?
[8:41] <Crank21> I agree about the need to security and privacy
[8:42] <Crank21> but I disagree about the feature that saves everything on my hd
[8:42] <Crank21> anonimity can be achieved in other ways, right?
[8:43] <Crank21> if i understand well, freenet uses many nodes as routers, so that the packets are spreaded while hiding its origins...
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[8:44] <nextgens> freenet isn't only about anonymity
[8:44] <nextgens> it's also about censorship resistence
[8:44] <Crank21> how freenet hides the packets's origins?
[8:45] <nextgens> we don't hide the origin of packets but messages
[8:45] <nextgens> freenet is based on plausible deniability
[8:46] <nextgens> you don't know who your "peers" are connected to => you don't know if the request is comming from them or beeing forwarded
[8:46] <srivatsan> nextgens > Please do look at the pdf at i sent you
[8:46] <nextgens> having a reduced set of peers eases to fight against p2p filters and traffic analysis
[8:47] <Crank21> which pdf!?!
[8:47] <nextgens> Crank21> still, you didn't reply; what kind of p2p client are you writting ? :)
[8:47] <Crank21> I'm trying to develop a client for a new anonymous network
[8:48] <Crank21> I'm writing on a book many ideas, concepts and projects from which I can "extract" something
[8:49] <nextgens> do you have any new idea to bring?
[8:49] <nextgens> I mean, why starting something new ?
[8:49] <nextgens> apparently you don't even know what exists ;)
[8:49] <srivatsan> Crank21 ...Do have a look at the papers on the freenet site; they are really helpful
[8:50] <Crank21> I'll explain my idea
[8:51] <Crank21> I'm starting with a "mashup"
[8:51] <nextgens> srivatsan> shall I reply to you online or by mail regarding your slides ?
[8:51] <srivatsan> online will be fine..
[8:51] <Crank21> with some features taken from the existing networks
[8:53] <Crank21> in addition to this, I'm thinking about some special strategies
[8:54] <Crank21> it's a good exercise for me, anyway :-D
[8:57] <Crank21> what do you think about this thought?
[8:58] <zaney> i'm having a bit of trouble connecting to peers, do i rout to my computers internal ip, or do i rout nat entries to 127.0.0.1 to freenet? i'm a bit confused
[8:59] <srivatsan> Crank21 ... cant say until we know exactly what your new ideas are....... but go ahead;if you come up with something good..... gr8 :)
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[9:00] <Crank21> thanks srivatsan
[9:01] <Crank21> I'm trying to do my own best in my project
[9:01] <Crank21> its name is Nokky :-P
[9:02] <Crank21> it's derived from "NObody Knows the network": the most important principle of my project
[9:02] <Crank21> excuse me, but I need to go away
[9:02] <Crank21> see you and thanks for everything!
[9:03] <zaney> bye
[9:04] <srivatsan> nextgens > could you reply to this nick; my official nick runs in my home and i cant see those messages now
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[9:04] <srivatsan> or jabber :)
[9:04] <nextgens> doh
[9:05] <zaney> could i bother someone for some help? :(
[9:10] <dbkr> zaney: best just ask
[9:10] <zaney> i did above ;)
[9:10] <zaney> but anyway
[9:11] <dbkr> oh, I see
[9:11] <zaney> do i forward the ports to my computers internal ip (e.g. 10.0.0.*) or to freenet itself? (127.0.0.1?)
[9:11] <zaney> i'm a bit confused
[9:11] <dbkr> 127.0.0.1 is only valid on the same machine
[9:12] <dbkr> it's not a network routeable IP
[9:12] <zaney> ah ok
[9:12] <zaney> thanks
[9:22] <zaney> when i added the refs from #freenet-refs, the bots said something about physical udp and to later do something when it appears in my node ref, it's there now. do i have to re-trade my ref with all my peers?
[9:24] <zaney> if anyone is available :) *cough dbkr*
[9:24] <zaney> i can't connect to any of the friends, 6 of them
[9:24] <dbkr> if they're not connecting, yeah, try it
[9:24] <zaney> ok
[9:26] <dbkr> in fact you should only need to do one to get yourself a connection, then the rest will connect after a while
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[9:40] <Crank21> i'm back: i examined a bit the pdf documentation
[9:41] <Crank21> i have a question: what do they mean with "pre-routing"?
[9:42] <Crank21> "Key anonymity and stronger sender anonymity can be achieved by adding
[9:42] <Crank21> mix-style \pre-routing" of messages."
[9:42] <Crank21> I don't understand the mechanism...
[9:42] <dbkr> I think in that context they mean an onion routing type thing
[9:43] <dbkr> pre-routing because it's some dummy routing before any actual routing in the right direction is done
[9:44] <Crank21> uhm
[9:44] <Crank21> let me think
[9:45] <zaney> anyone happen to wanna trade refs? no one in ref i haven't traded with and i need one new 'friend' :(
[9:46] <Crank21> "messages travel from source to destination via a sequence of proxies ("onion routers"), which re-route messages in an unpredictable path. To prevent an adversary from eavesdropping on message content, messages are encrypted between routers"
[9:47] <Crank21> Can I achieve this objective if every node routes messages modifying the source field (telling that they're the source)?
[9:49] <dbkr> what exactly is the objective you're trying to achieve?
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[10:03] <kub1> http://freenetproject.org/papers/vegas1_dc.pdf
[10:14] <Crank21> I mean that nobody should know who are the nodes from which are getting information
[10:15] <Crank21> if I ask a file F, I musn't know who are the sources: I'll know their ID, not their IP
[10:15] <Crank21> messages are routed rewriting source field many times
[10:16] <Crank21> nobody knows who is the sender and who is the real receiver
[10:16] <Crank21> this is what I mean
[10:17] <nextgens> you don't need their id either
[10:18] <nextgens> you need the id of a node who knows who the original requester is
[10:23] <dbkr> rewriting the sourxe field is a fairly uninteresting implementation detail
[10:23] <dbkr> the point is that you're proxying requests through itermedietaries
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[10:47] <Crank21> uhm
[10:47] <Crank21> ok, you use intermediaries, but you must hide the originator, no?
[10:47] <Crank21> (the receiver also)
[10:49] <Crank21> in freenet, you don't know the ID of the node to which you're talking with?
[10:49] <Crank21> well
[10:50] <dbkr> well no, obviously
[10:51] <dbkr> that's the point of proxying
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[10:53] <MFreenet> hahoo van itt valaki magyar :)?
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[11:09] <kolo1> hello
[11:09] <kolo1> i have trouble with some applications
[11:09] <kolo1> $ ./frost.sh
[11:09] <kolo1> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: frost/Frost (Unsupported major.minor version 49.0)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass0(Native Method)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(Unknown Source)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
[11:09] <kolo1> at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
[11:09] <kolo1> at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)
[11:11] <saces> 1) please do not paste here (flooding), use pastebin or simailar
[11:11] <saces> 2) you need java 1.5 or later for frost
[11:12] <kolo1> ok
[11:14] <kolo1> hm.. where is java 1.5 for linux?
[11:14] <kolo1> is any?
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[11:22] <kolo1> what i can put a polish letters to freenet?
[11:22] <kolo1> i use telnet ;( but system cant read my chars
[11:23] <saces> if you are on a not to old linux utf-8 should work proper by default
[11:24] <kolo1> hm i use http://wiki.freenetproject.org/plFreenetConsole
[11:24] <kolo1> and probably iso8859-2
[11:24] <kolo1> LANG=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LANGUAGE=pl_PL:pl
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_ADDRESS=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_COLLATE=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_CTYPE=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_IDENTIFICATION=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_MEASUREMENT=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_MESSAGES=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_MONETARY=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_NAME=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_NUMERIC=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_PAPER=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_SOURCED=1
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_TELEPHONE=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> LC_TIME=pl_PL
[11:25] <kolo1> o this is KBCHARSET=iso-8859-2
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[11:25] <kolo1> anybody can help me?
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[11:26] <kolo1> CHARSET=ISO-8859-2
[11:26] <Crank21> dbkr, listen
[11:26] <Crank21> each node is a an anonymous proxy for other nodes
[11:28] <kolo1> (anybody can tell me what fros working? what i can simulated fros in comand line interface?)
[11:30] <saces> frost is a fcp app, it does not work on the console interface
[11:30] <kolo1> i ask about protocol
[11:31] <kolo1> not application
[11:31] <kolo1> what i can write my own applikation's like the frost
[11:36] <saces> this is a good starting point for reading: http://jtcfrost.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/jtcfrost/trunk/frost-wot/
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[11:38] <nextgens> kolo1> the protocol we use is FCP http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetFCPSpec2Point0
[11:38] <kolo1> any example? add the news read the news? what i can
[11:38] <nextgens> they are examples in the spec
[11:39] <kolo1> guess the keys?
[11:39] <nextgens> I don't understand what you mean
[11:39] <kolo1> no not have example the read/write message similar frost
[11:40] <nextgens> please make full sentenses, you're hard enough to understand
[11:40] <nextgens> what's your native language ?
[11:40] <kolo1> what i can anticipate the keys of messages?
[11:40] * kolo1 polish
[11:41] <dbkr> kolo1: you mean frost messages?
[11:41] <kolo1> yes
[11:42] <dbkr> I'd suggest going & reading the frost source, or ask in #frost (but I except they'll tell you to do the same)
[11:43] <kolo1> hm.. ok is any idea to write iMessages? Chat?
[11:43] <dbkr> kolo1: you know Freenet is a data store, right?
[11:44] <dbkr> it would be really, really slow.
[11:44] <kolo1> yes
[11:44] <kolo1> ok
[11:44] <kolo1> not problem
[11:44] <kolo1> I use freenet
[11:44] <dbkr> it would be sufficiently slow that you'd be better off with email (ie Freemail)
[11:45] <kolo1> ok, but what this services work?
[11:45] <dbkr> sorry?
[11:45] <kolo1> what i can send my message to other people uses only freenet?
[11:46] <kolo1> this is problem. I know key my files.
[11:46] <dbkr> I'm still not sure I see what you mean.
[11:46] <saces> frost shows you how to do this.
[11:46] <kolo1> but what I can send this key to other people?
[11:47] <kolo1> saces: you know wkat frost do it?
[11:47] <saces> its a more or less komplex logig, frost does it via KSK.
[11:49] <kolo1> ok
[11:49] <kolo1> it is simmilar to www site and wverybody know my secret key
[11:49] <kolo1> & public keys?
[11:50] <kolo1> this is trustable?
[11:50] <kolo1> everybody can change everything
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[11:52] <dbkr> not change, only insert
[11:52] <dbkr> once it's there, it's there for good
[11:53] <dbkr> no, it's not trustable in any way
[11:53] <kolo1> ok but change the version of
[11:53] <dbkr> that's a USK
[11:53] <kolo1> SSk
[11:53] <dbkr> USKs are SSKs with versions
[11:53] <kolo1> yes
[11:53] <kolo1> hm... I thinking
[11:54] <kolo1> is any library to FCP in C language?
[11:55] <kolo1> or is any public domain freenet sites? similat localhost:8888 public-domain.org:8888
[11:56] <kolo1> i open the https://freenet.org:8888/CHK@ihiuhuh....
[11:56] <kolo1> is any?
[11:57] <dbkr> there certainly used to be, should be findable through google
[12:02] <zaney> soahhh, my node has been up for 17 hours now, and still says "hasn't been able to connect to any nodes" with 5 trusted friends =\
[12:02] <MFreenet> hungariens, magyarok > /join #freenet-hu
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[12:13] <zaney> oh SWEET it only took 7 peers but i finally found one that will connect!
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[12:25] <toad_> hi folk
[12:26] <zaney> hi
[12:26] <kub1> hi toad
[12:26] <kub1> hi zaney
[12:26] <zaney> hello kub :)
[12:26] <kub1> :D
[12:27] <kub1> did you solve your node pbs?
[12:30] <zaney> mostly, the other 6 nodes won't connect and the one i managed to connect to is busy, but at least there's hope
[12:31] <kub1> great!
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[12:43] <zaney> bah, frost opens up to the first time wizard to choose 0.5, 0.7 etc, after clicking ok it just closes and stops ...existing
[12:44] <zaney> in linux is there any special treatment i have to give it? or just run frost.jar
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[13:17] <toad_> INFO | jvm 1 | 2007/11/13 13:13:05 | freenet.node.NodeInitException: Could not start TMCI: java.net.SocketException: Protocol family unavailable (19)
[13:17] <toad_> eh?!
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[13:24] <srivatsan> hi toad_
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[13:34] <toad_> hi srivatsan !
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[13:35] <srivatsan> toad_ > forgive the change in nick... :(... Please do look at my mail
[13:35] * srivatsan is looking forward to toad_ 's reply
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[14:33] <srivatsan> toad_ > am not registered now.... my registered nick is running at home
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[17:38] <kolo1> hello. why the exampe from web page don'twork?
[17:38] <kolo1> http://wiki.freenetproject.org/FreenetSSKPages
[17:38] <kolo1> http://localhost:8888/SSK@GB3wuHmtxN2wLc7g4y1ZVydkK6sOT-DuOsUo-eHK35w,c63EzO7uBEN0piUbHPkMcJYW7i7cOvG42CM3YDduXDs,AQABAAE/testinserts-3/
[17:38] <dbkr> hehe, that's comical
[17:39] <dbkr> it's an old URI from a previous revision of Freenet
[17:39] <dbkr> just hasn't been updated
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[17:47] <saces> I have a translation problem: "Frost should at the very least have a built-in spell checker"
[17:47] <saces> does it mean "should have" or "should *not* have"?
[17:47] <dbkr> should have
[17:48] * FrinkC|off is now known as FrinkC
[17:49] <saces> thanks.
[17:51] <TheSeeker> frost allows for external editors to compose. why does it need a spell-checker?
[17:56] <saces> I have asked for the right translation only ;)
[18:00] <saces> type "oowriter %f" into the editor app config field and then write a message :)
[18:02] <saces> if frost get a builtin spellchacker, it should be a plugin.
[18:04] <kolo1> dbkr: meybe need change this example?
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[18:05] <kolo1> saces: (i add my translations (some sentences) they automaticaly send to the developers?)
[18:06] <TheSeeker> translating the FAQ?
[18:07] <kolo1> no translating the GUI
[18:07] <nextgens> kolo1> no, you need to send us the translation override file
[18:07] <saces> kolo1: you need to pick up the file and send it by hand :(
[18:07] <kolo1> where?
[18:07] <kolo1> where i have to send it?
[18:08] <saces> kolo1: I was talking about frost.
[18:08] <kolo1> I too
[18:08] <shoeyfighter> kolol: you could probably send it to one of the mailing lists
[18:09] <shoeyfighter> kolo1: most likely the development one
[18:09] <kolo1> ok
[18:09] <kolo1> I have no time
[18:10] <saces> kolo1: post it on frost board "frost".
[18:10] <kolo1> o thats interesting
[18:24] <Tommy[D]> nextgens, i am not able to rejoin
[18:24] <nextgens> hmm
[18:25] <nextgens> Tommy[D]> retry
[18:26] <nextgens> Tommy[D]> so ?
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[19:08] <mikedotd> how should i go about exchanging references? the bots in #freenet-refs don't accept opennet references, only darknet.
[19:13] <Zothar_Work> mikedotd: it probably depends on the bot; you can always trade with humans, it just takes more patience
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[19:41] <toad_> TheSeeker: well spelling mistakes are a common way to identify ppl
[19:41] <toad_> well a possible way anyway
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[19:47] <Ratchet> When I'm inserting a file, is every piece stored on "hop zero", my own node? or are there only a few of them?
[19:53] <toad_> every piece is stored on your node
[19:53] <toad_> we have to do that because the alternative is even worse
[19:53] <saces> toad_: if you know a pura java spellchaker that provides many wordbooks or can eat free third party wordbooks, please tell me ;)
[19:53] <toad_> if we never stored it locally, then a local attacker could instantly tell if it was your request
[19:53] <Ratchet> wouldn't that give the chance to prove that I inserted it?
[19:53] <toad_> saces: sorry :|
[19:54] <Ratchet> If someone got hoold of my store
[19:54] <toad_> saces: i thought the free non-java ones had wordbooks though
[19:54] <toad_> Ratchet: potentially. however the other option is worse, as i said. :(
[19:54] <toad_> either way sucks, obviously
[19:54] <Ratchet> and if only a random number is stored locally?
[19:55] <toad_> it's not as easy as it sounds
[19:55] <Ratchet> ah :-)
[19:55] <toad_> how many would you store locally? and how would you beat a local attacker?
[19:56] <toad_> the only obvious, reliable option is to not store any locally and require that you trust your direct peers
[19:56] <toad_> but people don't like that, they prefer a false sense of security :)
[19:56] <Ratchet> :-)
[19:58] <toad_> the unfortunate reality is that your direct peers can probably figure out what requests are made by you and what by your peers by statistical methods
[19:58] <toad_> but to not cache at all would be for them to be certain about it
[19:59] <Ratchet> I see.
[20:01] * saces would beat a local attacker with a basball racquet
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[20:04] <toad_> :)
[20:04] <toad_> local attacker = direct peer
[20:04] <toad_> sorry
[20:04] <toad_> the other meaning of local attacker obviously is another question
[20:04] <toad_> hence Ratchet's question on datastore contents
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[21:09] <kolo2_> hello anybody have a freemail?
[21:10] <kolo2_> i cant send any email but my node working
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[21:11] <kolo2_> hallo?
[21:15] <kub1> hi:)
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[22:11] <toad_> kolo1: you are trying to send a freemail?
[22:11] <toad_> kolo1: is the freemail plugin loaded? are you trying to send a freemail to another freemail address?
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[22:14] <yassi> hi! quick question: can I set a dynip host like dyndns.org as my node IP?
[22:15] <mikedotd> yassi: i believe so yes
[22:17] <yassi> ok thanks, I'll try that out
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[22:29] <yassi> what is seednodes.ref for?
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[22:34] <toad_> yassi: getting some initial connections to the network. once you have some, opennet will get you more. currently seednodes.ref only exists on 0.5.
[22:35] <yassi> thanks for the info. I just was curious because google refered to 0.5
[22:36] <toad_> hmmm
[22:36] <toad_> what's our policy on adding index sites?
[22:36] <toad_> if somebody's gone to the bother of making one, we can add it right away?
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[23:11] <yassi> man, sth iss really weird. If I try to stop freenet it says it couldn't. If I start it up I can't connect to http://127.0.0.1:8888/. What's up oO
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[23:21] <toad_> yassi: no idea :|
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[23:21] <toad_> yassi: pastebin the wrapper.log
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[23:22] <yassi> just give me a sec
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[23:23] <yassi> http://dark-code.bulix.org/j77kui-60879
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[23:46] <yassi> toad_: sorry, I have to leave. If you have an idea, I would be glad if you wrote me any hint via memoserv. bye
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