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[1:56] <mobius> hei ppl ;]
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[2:09] <kapoboo> Hi
[2:10] <kapoboo> i has ques
[2:10] <kapoboo> tion
[2:10] <kapoboo> Heloooooooooooooooooooooo
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[2:31] <mobius> yo
[2:31] <mobius> how to get voiced?
[2:31] <mobius> !voice
[2:31] <mobius> :P
[2:31] <kapoboo> !voice
[2:32] <Bombe> Why would you want to?
[2:33] <kapoboo> stupid question
[2:34] <kapoboo> I have an stupid question. not that you get me wrong
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[2:38] <mobius> toad helped me a few years ago...
[2:39] <mobius> got node running in gentoo
[2:39] <mobius> but i just got back to the states
[2:39] <mobius> u guys were just switching to darknet at the time
[2:40] <mobius> im just curious
[2:40] <mobius> whats the use of sharing noderefs on a public irc server ?
[2:41] * mobius doesnt see anyone sharing noderefs here....but he seen it done elsewhere bigtome
[2:42] <mobius> i been using tino's fproxy via i2p just to read some news but for the most part i been outta the loop
[2:42] <mobius> is the old frost board still up?
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[2:42] <mobius> :p i know i sound like a fukin dork
[2:42] <mobius> generally we used to swap chk's vis the ole iirc project
[2:43] <mobius> who knonws wtf is goin on now
[2:43] <mobius> i2p works gr8...but theres olaways the issue of faction
[2:43] <mobius> vs function :p
[2:44] <mobius> so anyways...
[2:44] <mobius> could ya voice me please porfvor?
[2:45] <mobius> yo TOSELAND!
[2:45] <mobius> WAKE UP!
[2:46] <mobius> lol....
[2:46] <mobius> this is why freenet always moved so slow
[2:46] <mobius> ill figure it out myself
[2:46] <mobius> laterz
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[4:03] <keystroke> so how has freenet improved in the last 6 months?
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[4:26] <mobius> hehe
[4:26] <mobius> apparently its pretty much the same
[4:26] <mobius> collisions
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[4:26] <mobius> netsplits from distro diffs
[4:27] <mobius> set your htl to 5 million
[4:27] <mobius> youll pull the key
[4:27] <mobius> tommorow some time
[4:27] <mobius> fuquid worked waaaay better
[4:28] <mobius> console is not cuttin it
[4:28] <mobius> whoevers node that is in tino's fproxy through i2p
[4:28] <mobius> that guy is running the healthiest fred node i have seen lately
[4:28] <mobius> if you need to pull a fred key ....
[4:28] <mobius> install i2p :p
[4:29] <TheSeeker> I have no trouble with most keys.
[4:29] <mobius> the same keys from say...
[4:29] <mobius> tfe
[4:29] <mobius> coe
[4:29] <mobius> ill insert a key
[4:29] <mobius> it wont pull
[4:30] <TheSeeker> I have no interest in 0.5 keys these days :P
[4:30] <mobius> :p
[4:30] <mobius> fred is waaay past due in terms of functionality
[4:30] <mobius> ian clark had a GREAT idea
[4:30] <mobius> matt toseland is a SOLDIA
[4:30] <TheSeeker> what do you think 0.7 is?
[4:30] <mobius> its NOT
[4:30] <mobius> happening
[4:31] <mobius> lemme see
[4:31] <mobius> which distro was the first move to darknet?
[4:31] <mobius> youll have to forgive me
[4:31] <TheSeeker> I've been successfully getting and putting 100-200MB files on this network for a while, works better than 0.5 ever did for me
[4:31] <mobius> ive been in jail for a year
[4:31] <TheSeeker> lol, right.
[4:32] <keystroke> haha
[4:32] <mobius> seeker youve got a healthy node
[4:32] <keystroke> just got back and read the buffer, real funny ;
[4:32] <keystroke> ;)
[4:32] <mobius> how long has it been online?
[4:32] <mobius> and
[4:32] <mobius> im willing to bet its linux
[4:32] <keystroke> how long do i have to hang out in freenet-refs to get enough refs.. does anyone ever talk in there? :P
[4:32] <TheSeeker> I run darknet and opennet, on Windows XP x64
[4:32] <mobius> impressive
[4:32] <mobius> for windows i mean
[4:33] <mobius> god forbid you install somthing
[4:33] <keystroke> so there is an i2p proxy into freenet?
[4:33] <mobius> heres where im in the dark
[4:33] <mobius> ( no pun intended)
[4:33] <mobius> WHAT is the point of having a dark net for trusted peers
[4:34] <mobius> when everyone ends up arbitrarilly sharing noderefs in an open irc channel?
[4:34] <keystroke> agreed but at least it is implemented.. ;)
[4:34] <mobius> it completely defeats the point of a darknet
[4:34] <TheSeeker> darknet is a fine theory, but only in theory can it work, unless everyone you know uses freenet, and you truest everyone you know...
[4:34] <mobius> thas a lotta whatifs
[4:34] <TheSeeker> nobody is pretending freenet-refs is safe or secure
[4:35] <mobius> dont get it twisted
[4:35] <mobius> i love freenet
[4:35] <mobius> always have
[4:35] <mobius> if i was rich
[4:35] <mobius> i would prolly donate a few million
[4:35] <mobius> but sometimes i wonder if it would actually make a damn bit of good
[4:35] <TheSeeker> but until the application reaches a critical mass (like, say, bittorrent level usage) then people are going to have to trade refs with people they don't know (very well or at all) in order to get bootstrapped.
[4:36] <mobius> bro its been goin on for like
[4:36] <keystroke> it is a slow process but it will be worth it
[4:36] <keystroke> once it has been done
[4:36] <TheSeeker> otherwise if you only traded with people that you know *and* trust, then you'll have a lot of little freenet fragments instead of one big network
[4:36] <mobius> at least 3 years i know of
[4:36] <keystroke> just because somethig takes time doesn't mean it won't happen
[4:36] <mobius> u are right
[4:36] <mobius> god your so right
[4:36] <keystroke> haha i remember talking about freenet back in college in 2000 hoping it would be huge in a few years..
[4:36] <TheSeeker> opennet is a good medium term stopgap.
[4:37] <mobius> and man youll have to forgive me
[4:37] <mobius> BUT
[4:37] <mobius> lets look at i2p
[4:37] <mobius> silent hush
[4:37] <mobius> ................................................
[4:37] <mobius> crickets
[4:37] <mobius> yes i said it :p
[4:37] <mobius> eyyye twooo peeee
[4:37] <mobius> jrandom and crew
[4:37] <mobius> man
[4:37] <mobius> they are bustin some heads over there
[4:38] <TheSeeker> I tihnk they have a better model with the greedy routing instead of probalistic routing... though I'm not sure how the location swapping helps that much... need peer swapping instead imo
[4:38] <mobius> nice guys alluvem
[4:38] <mobius> they are focusing on functionality
[4:39] <mobius> what good is a polymorphic 9086 algo when simple SHA will do?
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[4:39] <TheSeeker> the biggest problem with trying to create something like freenet is too many assumptions like '24/7 operation' and 'virtually unlimited symetric bandwidth' are taken as givens when making the mathematical models around which the code is based :P
[4:39] <mobius> i set up a freenet node on a 100 mbit dedicated connection once
[4:39] <mobius> this is waaay back
[4:40] <mobius> memory leaks
[4:40] <mobius> the net actually functioned well
[4:40] <mobius> actually
[4:40] <mobius> i2p can be fully functional in under 5 minutes
[4:40] <TheSeeker> 0.7 has been well-behaved for me for a good while now. granted, I give it 1G of RAM, but still, it doesn't seem to crash my computer or OOM out.
[4:40] <mobius> from node BOOT
[4:41] <mobius> oh that one gig is not a leak either
[4:41] <mobius> thats what it NEEDS
[4:41] <keystroke> it is a futuristic network
[4:41] <mobius> the one thing i would say
[4:41] <TheSeeker> If you have one reference (prfereably the one given to you by your friend) then theoretically you could get opennet refs through his node within a short period of time.
[4:41] <keystroke> it will catch on when it is needed
[4:42] <mobius> i still think fuquid was the best and most effective part of fred
[4:42] <TheSeeker> I give the node 1G because I do things like batch-insert 26 250MB files... encoding takes a lot of memory.
[4:42] <mobius> i like the idea of not having to host my files on my own machine no matter how good the crypto
[4:42] <TheSeeker> fuqid was not a part of fred. it's an external application that uses FCP to communicate with the node.
[4:43] <mobius> i just wish it would WORK
[4:43] <mobius> well yea
[4:43] <mobius> but to say it wasnt part of fred :p
[4:43] <mobius> ever try inserting from the console?
[4:43] <mobius> :P:P
[4:43] <TheSeeker> why do that when you can use fproxy?
[4:43] <TheSeeker> or Frost?
[4:43] <TheSeeker> or fuqid?
[4:43] <TheSeeker> or Thaw?
[4:44] <TheSeeker> or Jsite?
[4:44] <mobius> all of those go through the node console
[4:44] <mobius> well not the console
[4:44] <mobius> but your own node
[4:44] <mobius> fuquid
[4:44] <mobius> was
[4:44] <mobius> the SHIT
[4:44] <TheSeeker> fuqid can still point at a remote node
[4:44] <mobius> nothing will ever match that moment
[4:44] <TheSeeker> a version was made compatible with 0.7 you know.
[4:45] <mobius> when i first realized i need a file
[4:45] <mobius> named
[4:45] <mobius> FUQUID
[4:45] <mobius> :p
[4:45] <mobius> had to drink a beer and think if it was fyookwid
[4:45] <TheSeeker> I'm pretty sure Frost allows pointing at a remote FCP server as well
[4:45] <mobius> fukwid
[4:45] <mobius> ye?
[4:46] <mobius> everyone is all Ian this and IAN that
[4:46] <TheSeeker> I haven't used Thaw much, but I think the server ip is in the options there as well
[4:46] <mobius> toseland here is the real brains behind this shit
[4:47] <mobius> if i had to store some very illegal shit...i'd use fred...if i wanted to surf anon and trade files id use i2p
[4:47] <TheSeeker> Toad is the coder, but others have done the bulk of the research and comceptualization of the network, and the math involved to show that a particular aproach looks worthy of persuit.
[4:47] <mobius> if i had to know for SURE it would work
[4:48] <TheSeeker> FreeMulET works fairly well.
[4:48] <mobius> its strictly internal net based?
[4:48] <mobius> it'd have ta be
[4:48] <mobius> access only fred right?
[4:49] <mobius> heres an idea
[4:49] <TheSeeker> It's a 0.7 app, but as close to a 0.5 app as I've seen so far. it skips the FEC encoding process by inserting each 32k block seperately, not sure if it can use a remote server.
[4:49] <mobius> remember the seed ref repository?
[4:50] <mobius> how bou tthat
[4:50] <mobius> but
[4:50] <TheSeeker> you mean the most insecure thing ever? :P
[4:50] <mobius> only now lets just EVERYBODY insert our noderef
[4:50] <mobius> well hell were basically doin it ANYWAY:p
[4:50] <mobius> hell lets do it an do it big
[4:50] <mobius> build a noderef repository
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[4:50] <TheSeeker> the seednode server was a massive single point of failure.
[4:51] <TheSeeker> you don't need a noderef repository, just enable opennet and connect with one person you know.
[4:51] <mobius> three weeks later....
[4:51] <mobius> I pull CAVEAT LECTOR
[4:52] <mobius> bump that
[4:52] <mobius> tfe was fun
[4:52] <mobius> argh
[4:52] <mobius> it seeming like i dun like the project
[4:52] <mobius> i really do
[4:52] <TheSeeker> USK@7H66rhYmxIFgMyw5Dl11JazXGHPhp7dSN7WMa1pbtEo,jQHUQUPTkeRcjmjgrc7t5cDRdDkK3uKkrSzuw5CO9uk,AQACAAE/ENTRY.POINT/36/ is as similar to tfe as you'll find I think.
[4:52] <mobius> so u think i had a bad idea ? :P
[4:52] <mobius> hehe
[4:53] <mobius> fuck it lets all just do a refswap on google
[4:53] <mobius> :P
[4:53] <mobius> freenet would be wicked overnight
[4:53] <mobius> and totally non anon
[4:53] <mobius> but we'd see if the routing was true
[4:54] <mobius> deniable plausability only goes so far anyway
[4:54] <mobius> the fact that your running a fred node is not hidden
[4:54] <mobius> and then that automatically implies a datastore
[4:54] <mobius> whats the crypto on the store these days?
[4:55] <mobius> knowing freenet its up there
[4:55] <mobius> 2048 sumwhere in there
[4:55] <TheSeeker> dunno
[4:56] <TheSeeker> zzz
[4:56] <mobius> my first node was in gentoo
[4:57] <mobius> back when iirc was the key distro medium
[4:57] <mobius> netsplits from hell
[4:57] <mobius> but very fun
[4:58] <mobius> i wanna see fred do well....so when i get rich ...if things are still lookin good im gonna hit the project with a few mill :p
[4:58] <mobius> god lord willin
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[4:58] <mobius> with that ill have a good wank and go to sleep
[4:59] <mobius> and no
[4:59] <mobius> wank is not american for beer
[4:59] <mobius> :p
[4:59] <mobius> see ya
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[5:03] <Bombe> What a moron.
[5:07] <keystroke> haha
[5:07] <keystroke> yea
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[10:30] <Sargun> heya
[10:31] <Sargun> anyone have a node?
[10:31] <Sargun> that I can connect to
[10:32] <dbkr> Sargun: #freenet-refs
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[13:01] <Lautgestalt> I'm trying to set up my refbot but I don't know what the URL of my node's opennet ref is
[13:02] <Lautgestalt> whatever I type in there I get the same error message: "The bot advertised opennet ref URL points to an RCF1918 private IP address or an unassigned bogon IP address and cannot be used on the Internet."
[13:03] <Lautgestalt> i'm not finding any answers on the wiki
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[15:19] <kapoboo> Hi
[15:19] <kapoboo> updating refbot hangs. can anyone give info on that?
[15:20] <kapoboo> !voice
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[15:21] <Zothar> kapoboo: is it hanging or taking a very long time to complete? Perhaps your machine thinks it has IPv6 connectivity when it doesn't?
[15:22] <kapoboo> it downloads some files. and after each file it says writing file bla bla
[15:22] <kapoboo> then it says downloading nodes.py and stays there
[15:23] <kapoboo> after this one comes no writing nodes.py or anything. the other ones are downloaded pretty fast
[15:23] <Zothar> hmm; that suggests something somewhere is working differently for nodes.py
[15:24] <Zothar> is it exactly nodes.py or fcp/node.py or what?
[15:24] <kapoboo> yes fcp/nodes.py
[15:24] <Zothar> fcp/node.py or fcp/nodes.py?
[15:24] <kapoboo> btw. i'm a total noob so maybe i should give up setting up the bot alltoghether.
[15:24] <kapoboo> nodeS
[15:25] <kapoboo> oh sory
[15:25] <kapoboo> node
[15:25] <Zothar> that's a bug somewhere
[15:25] <Zothar> OK, then not a bug
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[15:25] <Zothar> hmm; I don't know why that would take a long time and the others not
[15:26] <Zothar> let me try running it here and see if I get the same problem
[15:26] <Zothar> works for me without issue
[15:26] <kapoboo> it exactly says " fcp/node.py r15682 " if the number there has some mysterious relevance
[15:27] <Zothar> r15682 is the version of the file it is downloading
[15:28] <kapoboo> oh i almoust considered that lol
[15:28] <Zothar> you can do the process manually by downloading the latest pyFreenet archive and overwriting your current copy with it and then editing the updater_versions.dat file to have the fcp/node.py line to have 15682 in the version number column
[15:30] <kapoboo> ok i'll try.
[15:30] <kapoboo> thynk you
[15:32] <Zothar> my first guess is that there's some sort of web proxy between your updater.py and the Freenet project server
[15:35] <kapoboo> my guess is the node.py file is just not on the server ;)
[15:36] <kapoboo> ok. you were right
[15:37] <kapoboo> worked after i stopped firewall
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[17:27] <Altair4> Can anyone tell me what the reason "Not in archive" means for a file failure?
[17:27] <Altair4> Or where I might find a help document that discusses it?
[17:28] <dbkr> It means it found content at that key, but the path you specified wasn't in it
[17:28] <Altair4> Hrm... how do I specify another path?
[17:28] <Altair4> If I try without anything at the end, it whines about it being an empty key. :-)
[17:29] <dbkr> change what's on the end of the key
[17:29] <dbkr> empty key?
[17:30] <Altair4> I'm slightly confused. Key in question ends with: AAIC--8/Guitar_Vids.mpg
[17:30] <dbkr> what's the exact error about the empty key?
[17:31] <Altair4> You mean, if I just remove everything after the / ?
[17:31] <dbkr> could try that
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[17:32] <Altair4> I'm using thaw... and, as you may notice, I'm a n00b. :p
[17:33] <dbkr> ah, try putting that key into the box on the node homepage then
[17:34] <dbkr> both with & without the 'Guitar_Vids.mpg' on the end
[17:35] <Altair4> When I put without an extension or with, it adds .bin
[17:35] <Altair4> That's wierd...
[17:36] <dbkr> I have a feeling that's Thaw being... well, Thaw
[17:37] <Altair4> No, I'm using the mainpage as you suggested.
[17:37] <Altair4> Gosh, I feel stupid; other keys seem to work fine... except this set.
[17:38] <Altair4> Freenet was unable to retrieve this file.
[17:38] <Altair4> This is a fatal error. It is unlikely that retrying will solve the problem.
[17:38] <Altair4> File not in archive
[17:38] <Jflesch> Thaw uses the filename provided by the node.
[17:39] <dbkr> hmm, well it's a bad link, that's for sure, so it's not your fault - it's wherever you got the link from
[17:39] <Altair4> That's the error I get just posting in the 'Fetch a key" box on the Freenet homepage.
[17:39] <Altair4> Oh, you mean it doesn't exist at all, or that the link's in a pooched format?
[17:39] <dbkr> yep, thought you ought to get the same error with the full link - good to make sure though
[17:40] <dbkr> well it looks like the insert must have gone wrong or something
[17:40] <Altair4> Oh, nifty. :)
[17:40] <Altair4> I thought I was just doing something really silly.
[17:40] <Altair4> Thank you very much for the help!
[17:40] <dbkr> since the poster seems to think that file exists in the archive, but it doesn't - yet fundamentally there is something at that key
[17:40] <dbkr> no problem :)
[17:42] <Altair4> Oh for more verbose error messages; what fun I had figuring out why DDA was failing. *laughs*
[17:42] <Altair4> Thanks again!
[17:42] * Altair4 waves
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[19:51] <toad_> hey
[19:51] <toad_> hi folk
[19:52] <Aldof66612> hi!
[19:57] <saces> hi.
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[19:58] <Aldof66612> so toad got 'puters unpacked already it seems
[20:00] <saces> or he cut holes into the box ;)
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[20:05] <Aldof66612> lol ;)
[20:07] <toad_> :)
[20:08] <toad_> apparently my new ISP has accidentally blocked incoming port 80
[20:08] * toad_ thinks that is thoroughly wierd
[20:08] <toad_> they said they were working on restoring it
[20:09] <Aldof66612> blocked 80 but other ports still work ok?
[20:09] <toad_> and 25
[20:09] <toad_> 22 works fine
[20:09] <Aldof66612> weirdness
[20:10] <toad_> they said it'd be fixed on monday
[20:15] <Aldof66612> any clue on how many nodes there are in freenet 0.7 (at least on-line couple days a week) and does there exist multiple networks that are disconnected from each other?
[20:16] <Aldof66612> i'm seeing around 1k nodes for most of time
[20:17] <nextgens> hey toad_ :)
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[20:18] <toad_> hey nextgens!
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[22:02] <saces> npe on load plugin.
[22:02] <saces> http://dark-code.bulix.org/mfjoq9-60482
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[22:08] <Tommy[D]> saces, which plugin? Downloaded yourself?
[22:08] <saces> selfbuild, local
[22:09] <Tommy[D]> access rights for freenet user?
[22:09] <saces> an errormessage or successful is ok, npe from node is always defunc.
[22:14] <saces> and if no protocol is given and the uri starts with "/", the node should assume local file, but it tried to download it.
[22:14] <saces> and the proper uri with file:///path... has thrown the npe.
[22:15] <Tommy[D]> tried file:/path ?
[22:16] <saces> file:///home/saces/freenet/project/KeyDebug/dist/KeyDebug.jar
[22:18] <Tommy[D]> tried with only 1 slash at the beginning?
[22:20] <saces> Tommy[D]: the node should return an error message if somefing wrong, not a npe!
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[22:36] <nextgens> saces> fill in a ticket and assign it to Bombe please :)
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[23:38] <saces> trying to download a user typed plugin uri *without* asking the user is imho an anonymity leak
[23:41] <Tommy[D]> its downloaded, if its not in the plugins dir, before 1071 it is downloaded every time (plugin*) or once (plugin#) without asking and also there was something in plugins dir, so at least a little bit better?
[23:45] <saces> there is no need to copy a plugin from file:///bla to the node plugindir. at least it should be an option.
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