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[6:44] <Anarhist> hi, my insert(s) are being lost during the restart of the node
[6:44] <Anarhist> i have a couple of thoughts as to why this can happen
[6:44] <Anarhist> it can be because i'm removing all the non-persistent temp files during the computer restart
[6:45] <Anarhist> or it can be because i've de-referenced all my directories in the configuration with the full path, rather than relative path
[6:45] <Anarhist> whould any of that make sense, or is the problem elsewhere?
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[7:02] <Anarhist> anyone?
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[7:30] <nextgens> Anarhist> have a look to your logfiles and see whether they are ERRORs or Exceptions
[7:35] <Anarhist> nextgens: no errors in the last few days apart from IP detection plugin throwing null pointer
[7:37] <nextgens> hmm then I guess it's a bug
[7:38] <nextgens> nothing even in "wrapper.log" ?
[7:41] <Anarhist> not that i can see
[7:42] <Anarhist> going to file the bug then
[7:43] <nextgens> make it private and add your freenet.ini file if you think that paths matter
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[14:50] <- *sleon* help
[14:50] <- *sleon* whats up
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[18:52] <PrototypeX29A> hi
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[19:30] <temp___> someone wants to trade noderefs?
[19:30] <PrototypeX29A> i need to remove the old ones first
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[19:35] <temp___> nobody wants to trade noderefs?
[19:36] <dbkr> temp___: => #freenet-refs please
[19:39] <temp___> aha, thanks
[19:39] <temp___> :)
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[20:04] <PrototypeX29A> what does a star after the peer's name mean, on the friends-page?
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[20:11] <temp___> how come you can't load say more than two pages at the same time?
[20:11] <temp___> if I try to load two web pages, even the built in pages such as 'friends' and 'queue' become unresponsive
[20:11] <temp___> is there some setting to increase number of concurrent connections or something like that to avoid this?
[20:12] <Ratchet> using firefox? theres a setting for concurrent connections in the about:config page
[20:13] <Ratchet> network.http.max-connections-per-server
[20:13] <Ratchet> this is default set to 8
[20:14] <temp___> ah, could that be it?
[20:14] <Ratchet> yes
[20:14] <temp___> cool, what should I set it to?
[20:14] <Ratchet> enter "about:config" in the address bar
[20:14] <PrototypeX29A> can i alter bugreports after submitting?
[20:14] <Ratchet> there you can change it
[20:15] <temp___> but what is a reasonable number to put there?
[20:15] <temp___> like 100 or so?
[20:16] <Ratchet> I wouldn't set it higher than 64
[20:16] <Ratchet> I have 32
[20:16] <Ratchet> and I use another browser for the fproxy page :-)
[20:16] <temp___> ah :)
[20:16] <temp___> cool, I'll start with 32
[20:16] <temp___> do I need to restart firefox to activate the setting?
[20:17] <Ratchet> no
[20:17] <temp___> hmm, it's still responding very slowly on the queue page for instance :/
[20:18] <Ratchet> I don't know how much concurrent requests the node itself can handle
[20:18] <temp___> is it configurable?
[20:18] <Ratchet> or how much requests it is able to pull from the network
[20:18] <temp___> there's a max-persitent-connections setting available as well, do I need to change that too?
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[20:19] <temp___> but the local pages like statistics and queue are not really on the network, are they?
[20:19] <Ratchet> no, they aren't
[20:19] <Ratchet> don't know if the node is configruable for that
[20:19] <Ratchet> I haven't changed the persistant connections setting. you have to try :-)
[20:21] <temp___> found it, I needed to increase the persistent setting as well, and also the max-connections one
[20:25] <temp___> super, it's still slow but it works a lot better at least
[20:25] <temp___> thanks for the help :)
[20:25] <Ratchet> http://freenetproject.org/faq.html
[20:25] <Ratchet> there I found some recommended settings
[20:25] <Ratchet> search for firefox
[20:26] <Ratchet> you need a little patience for freenet :-)
[20:27] <temp___> great!
[20:27] <temp___> but how slow is it supposed to be?
[20:28] <temp___> for me it goes very very slow actually
[20:28] <Ratchet> depends on the popularity of the content you want to retrieve
[20:28] <temp___> well I have problems just retrieving the starting pages and so
[20:29] <temp___> I currently have 8 friends connected, plus 5 more that are currently not online
[20:29] <PrototypeX29A> in the beginning it takes some time
[20:29] <Ratchet> how many nodes are you connected to?
[20:29] <temp___> that should be enough ,right?
[20:29] <temp___> well some are busy quite a lot of the time though ...
[20:29] <Ratchet> yes, should be enough
[20:30] <Ratchet> it takes some time until your node is well integrated into the network
[20:30] <temp___> hmm, how long, like hours?
[20:30] <Ratchet> don't know :-)
[20:31] <temp___> :)
[20:31] <temp___> it's not really 100% user friendly, is it?
[20:31] <temp___> :)
[20:31] <Ratchet> running the node permanently is an advantage
[20:32] <temp___> hmm, unfortunately I have my machine in the bedroom so I wouldn't be able to sleep then!
[20:32] <Ratchet> who needs userfriendlyness ;-)
[20:32] <temp___> do you run your node permanently?
[20:32] <temp___> ;)
[20:32] <Ratchet> yes
[20:32] <temp___> so are you getting good speed?
[20:32] <Ratchet> depends on the popularity of the content I want to retrieve ;-)
[20:32] <PrototypeX29A> temp___: you get used to it
[20:33] <Ratchet> I mainly use the frost message board application
[20:33] <Ratchet> and freemail. email via freenet
[20:33] <Ratchet> for that the speed is good
[20:33] <temp___> I just tried frost, but I didn't really understand it
[20:33] <temp___> does it load all available messages automatically?
[20:34] <Ratchet> for all the boards you have in your list and your update queue
[20:34] <Ratchet> there are queit ssome more than the default installed ones
[20:35] <temp___> aha
[20:35] <temp___> so I can search for news boards and add them?
[20:36] <Ratchet> frost gathers all information about boards it finds in postings with boardsrefs
[20:36] <Ratchet> you can find them by clicking on the "world" icon
[20:36] <Ratchet> it takes some time until the list grows
[20:36] <temp___> aha
[20:36] <Ratchet> update the board "boards" regularly and the list will find them
[20:36] <temp___> so I need to keep 'boards' in my list of boards then?
[20:37] <Ratchet> you can ask if there are boards for your interests
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[20:38] <temp___> I see
[20:38] <Ratchet> people post boardrefs not only to the boards board
[20:39] <Ratchet> just have look around, things will come with time :-)
[20:39] <temp___> but the world icon didn't do much, there's only one board there, 'freemail' and the list is not growing :/
[20:39] <temp___> yeah I'm sure it will, thanks :)
[20:39] <Ratchet> "patience" is the key word ;-)
[20:39] <temp___> but it is quite confusing at first
[20:39] <temp___> hehe
[20:39] <temp___> patience is a virtue
[20:39] <Ratchet> indeed :-)
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[20:44] <temp___> but now I need to go to bed, thanks for the help and hope to see you here again some time! :)
[20:45] <PrototypeX29A> who uses 1070?
[20:45] <Ratchet> I do
[20:45] <PrototypeX29A> since 1070 i have trouble to connect to anyone
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[20:46] <Ratchet> no problems here
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[20:46] <NEOatNHNG> r you shure it's because of the update, mine works fine too
[20:46] <PrototypeX29A> some of the problems are experienced by others to
[20:47] <NEOatNHNG> I heard a lot about users, who connected themselves to user who also had no connection and because of NAT they won't connect
[20:49] <Zothar_Work> PrototypeX29A: since I don't think you got an answer, an asterisk (star) after a peer's name on /friends/ means that the ARK is being fetched for that peer; that used to be mentioned on the /friends/ page, but got accidentally removed in one of the refactors a long while back
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[20:58] <PrototypeX29A> ARK?
[21:00] <NEOatNHNG> AFAIK ark is a key that is inserted into freenet, which contains data about your connection (such as IP and Port). the url of your node's ark is contained in your ref
[21:01] <NEOatNHNG> so if you have a dynamic IP or NAT etc. other nodes, which have your ref are able to connect to your node
[21:02] <NEOatNHNG> but this process requires at least one working connection, to insert the ARK into freenet
[21:03] <NEOatNHNG> or retrieve ARKs to connect to other nodes which are also connected by dynamic IPs NATs etc.
[21:05] <PrototypeX29A> but shouldnt be that data private if i am in the Darknet?
[21:06] <Ratchet> what are you guys using for freesite inserts? the pyFreenet freesitemgr crashes with a memory error on my freebsd box
[21:06] <Ratchet> but there is lots of memory ;-)
[21:06] <Zothar_Work> Your ARK (Address Resolution Key) is pretty much your node reference inserted into Freenet at a Freenet key contained within your node reference so that your peers can fetch that key from Freenet to try to connect toy our updated IP address if it changes and they can't get your IP address through other means such as dynamic DNS
[21:06] <Zothar_Work> PrototypeX29A: the ARK key is only available to those who have your node reference, so it's private to the very nodes that need it
[21:06] <PrototypeX29A> ok
[21:07] <Zothar_Work> Ratchet: I use freesitemgr, but haven't tried it on freebsd, so I can't really speak to that
[21:07] <Ratchet> is there another console tool? jsite seems to work, but i wanted some automated inserts done
[21:08] <NEOatNHNG> isn't it possible to insert sites via the node's own interface?
[21:08] <NEOatNHNG> well, in that case
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[21:09] <Ratchet> i dare to ask if there is some documentation on inserting via the ndoes interface? .-)
[21:10] <NEOatNHNG> Ratchet, just saw that you also can insert files via Thaw (you can select many on the same time)
[21:10] <Ratchet> I would like to do it via a console tool. never tested thaw. isn't it a gui app?
[21:11] <Ratchet> I want to set up a cron job for weekly inserts
[21:11] <NEOatNHNG> yes, but I don't know any consol tool (apart from what you mentioned) which gets the job done
[21:12] <Ratchet> ok, thanks
[21:14] <Ratchet> ahh, there are the fcptools, but they are listed under the 0.5 tools
[21:14] <Ratchet> I used them a long time ago
[21:16] <Zothar_Work> Ratchet: I suspect your best bet is to figure out what's really happening with freesitemgr (i.e., likely Python) on FreeBSD
[21:16] <Ratchet> ha, got it
[21:17] <Ratchet> freesitemgr added nonetheless the config file with just the entry for the node fcpHost
[21:17] <Ratchet> i changed that from the default 127.0.0.1 to my binded ip and now it works
[21:17] <Ratchet> where can i file bugs? :-)
[21:18] <Ratchet> I'm speaking of "freesitemgr setup" command
[21:22] <Ratchet> fcp protocol has changed from 0.5 to 0.7?
[21:25] <saces> yes.
[21:26] <Ratchet> oh
[21:27] <saces> a 0.5 app does not work on 0.7 (and vice versa)
[21:31] <Zothar_Work> pyFreenet bugs get file at https://bugs.freenetproject.org/ under the pyFreenet project; I can't make any promises as to how quickly bugs will get addressed though since I'm the most active developer of pyFreenet, I've been mostly committing only to refbot.py related stuff and even then development is at an inconsistent pace
[21:31] <Zothar_Work> it's good to at least know what the problems are though, so filing bugs is encouraged
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[21:32] <Ratchet> I played around a bit and the error seems to occur when the freesitemgr is _able_ to connect to the fcpPort
[21:33] <Ratchet> Python 2.4.4 (#2, Sep 17 2007, 12:51:28)
[21:33] <Ratchet> [GCC 3.4.6 [FreeBSD] 20060305] on freebsd6
[21:33] <Ratchet> I don't really expect you to install a freebsd to test ;-)
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[21:34] <Zothar_Work> I plan to have a FreeBSD Xen environment one of these days, but yeah, that's probably not a near-term thing; include any tracebacks and the like if they're available, of course
[21:35] <Ratchet> ok, I will
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[21:42] <Ratchet> https://bugs.freenetproject.org/view.php?id=1848
[21:42] <Ratchet> :-)
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