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[3:07] <kuyman__> hello
[3:08] <kuyman__> i'm having a problem with the ref bots
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[11:17] <dook> i have a problem with freenet on vista
[11:18] <dook> i saw that somebody on the mailing list also had this problem
[11:18] <dook> The Freenet 0.7 darknet-8888 service failed to start due to the following error:
[11:18] <dook> The service did not start due to a logon failure.
[11:18] <dook> checked the freenet user as well as the rights on the folder
[11:19] <dook> the freenet user exists and i enabled all rights to everyone to the freenet folder and subfolders
[11:19] <dook> to no avail
[11:35] <phrosty> i run freenet on a win08 test server just fine
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[16:36] <__-osh-__> Is there any way of finding out how many users there are of freenet 0.7?
[16:39] <dbkr> look on your node's 'friends' page :)
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[17:09] <__-osh-__> dbkr: har har.
[17:10] <__-osh-__> I mean on a more general level. Are there about 100 users? 500? 1000? 5000? More?
[17:11] <dbkr> no, really
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[17:11] <dbkr> network size estimate
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[17:31] <__-osh-__> Sorry, flakey router. You were saying about the network size? Not possible to estimate?
[17:32] <nextgens> the network size estimate gives a low estimate
[17:33] <nextgens> check the source code to see how it's computed
[17:33] <__-osh-__> Is there somewhere on my node that I can see the estimate? Or somewhere else?
[17:33] <__-osh-__> I'm just curious about a ballpark number.
[17:35] <__-osh-__> There was a bittorrent discussion on slashdot a few days ago. Someone mentioned freenet and how it was "all but dead" and that there were just a few die-hards still running it. I'm just curious about how many die-hards there are. I expect that there are quite a few of us.
[17:36] * __-osh-__ has an old computer dedicated only to freenet.
[17:36] <greycat> I still run my 0.7 node but I never use it.
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[17:37] <__-osh-__> From my node (with opennet enabled) I can see about 60 or so users. It would be fun to know if I see 1%, 10% or 50% of the net.
[17:37] <nextgens> by design there is no way to get an accurate node-count
[17:37] <__-osh-__> Sorry, not users, nodes.
[17:38] <nextgens> we probably have over 1k nodes
[17:38] <nextgens> but that's nothing compared to the number of bittorent users
[17:39] <__-osh-__> Ah. No, that's nothing compared to bittorrent. But the goals are quite different.
[17:39] <__-osh-__> But 1k users aren't bad. A bit better than I expected.
[17:40] <__-osh-__> Concidering that freenet is rather "hard" to get going it's interesting that there are so many people that find it useful/entertaining enough to do the work.
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[18:36] <sich> nextgens: I have seen more than 1400 nodes
[18:38] <Aldof666a2> you have?
[18:41] <nextgens> no
[18:41] <nextgens> well,
[18:41] <nextgens> hmm
[18:42] <nextgens> I've no time to explain, sorry :)
[18:44] <NEOatNHNG> one should consider, that the 1400 nodes were probably spotted in a big period of time, so probably half of them isn't working anymore
[18:47] <sich> around 10 days
[18:49] <NEOatNHNG> oh, well I revoke my suggestion and argue to the converse
[18:50] <sich> I have seen around 1000 nodes within 3 days
[18:52] * NEOatNHNG asks himself, how you can know how many nodes you had contact with
[18:52] <sich> go to your stats page
[18:52] <sich> perhaps you need to activate the advanced mode to see this
[18:55] <NEOatNHNG> ok, thats correct there is an _estimation_ about the network size, but technically speaking, there's (or should be) no way to know
[18:56] <sich> yep, this is only the estimated size
[18:56] <nextgens> it use to be an accurate minimum when we didn't have probabilistic location randomization
[18:57] <nextgens> the idea is to snoop on location swapping messages
[18:57] <nextgens> (you can see them only up to 8 hops)
[18:57] <nextgens> and to keep track of all node-locations you see
[18:58] <nextgens> we could make the estimate more accurate using some mathematical black magic called statistics
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[18:58] <nextgens> but as far as I know that's not implemented
[18:58] <nextgens> meaning that the estimate sich got over 10 days is rubbish
[18:59] <nextgens> as most nodes are likely to have randomized their location at least once in the timeframe
[18:59] <nextgens> if you need more infos on what's happening there I suggest you RTFS :)
[18:59] <nextgens> starting from LocationManager.java
[19:00] * nextgens has to go now... but I will read backlog and might reply to your questions if you've any
[19:00] <nextgens> bbiab
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[20:20] <EL_FIFI> any ide why i get always this error msg from rebot? adderThread has status: -3 url: http://dark-code.bulix.org/Xxxxxxxxx?raw error_msg: FCP socket closed by node
[20:21] <EL_FIFI> idea
[20:21] <EL_FIFI> i have the leatest freenet and the leatest bot 2
[20:23] <NEOatNHNG> do you have fcp enabled? (if yes you should see the fcp-port at the bottom of the friends section)
[20:25] <EL_FIFI> yes i have and it working i can netcat it
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[21:50] <dbkr> so, FredPluginHTTPAdvanced...
[21:50] <dbkr> wtf!?
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[23:34] <dbkr> oh for crying out loud
[23:35] <dbkr> how do I put italic text in the HTMLNode API?
[23:37] <Zothar> an "i" like there are "div" and such
[23:38] <dbkr> well, I can go node.addChild("b", "this is bold text")...
[23:39] <dbkr> but how do I do something like "this is <b>bold</b> text"?
[23:41] <Zothar> hmm; it's been a while since I looked at the code, but the "this is" and "text" would be like node.addChild("#", "this is"); I don't recall how to concatenate them together and I'm too lazy to look at the code
[23:42] <dbkr> oh - is hash some magic character for a text node?
[23:43] <Zothar> it's magic meaning that no tag will be inserted; IIRC, "%" is also magic, but I don't remember what
[23:47] <dbkr> eeeewww!
[23:48] <dbkr> well, my relatively simple piece of text now looks like a dog's breakfast
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[23:53] <dbkr> ftr, a node named '%' lets you insert unescaped content
[23:54] <Zothar> heh; I think I might have even coded that one...
[23:55] <dbkr> apparently you did :)
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