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[0:27] <dbkr> is there another magic option, apart from node.includeLocalAddressesInNoderefs?
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[0:36] <nextgens> yes
[0:37] <nextgens> dbkr> setAllowLocalAddress in the dropdown box of the /friends page
[0:38] <dbkr> d'oh
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[0:39] * dbkr just found it by reading the source
[0:39] <dbkr> btw, hi nextgens :)
[0:41] <nextgens> hi dbkr :)
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[0:46] <dbkr> hmm, .classpath files checked into svn
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[0:50] <dbkr> nextgens: you've got mail re: freemail build.xml patch
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[12:39] <NEOatNHNG> Hi, I've got a problem with Freemail (r15656) when I start it with "java -jar Freemail-r15656.jar" it throws "Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: main"
[12:40] <NEOatNHNG> same problem if I rename it to Freemail.jar
[12:41] <NEOatNHNG> I'm using Sun Java 1.6.0_03-b05 on Ubuntu 7.10
[12:43] <Zothar_Work> The last commit on freemail is 15661; it and the previous commit were build process changes; maybe they fixed the problem?
[12:44] <NEOatNHNG> how do I get them? do I have to build my own jar from SVN?
[12:44] <Zothar_Work> I believe they're auto-built on emu; lemme check
[12:45] <Zothar_Work> Yeah, take a look in http://downloads.freenetproject.org/alpha/plugins/Freemail/
[12:46] <Bombe> NEOatNHNG, by the way, I'm not the guy behind refbot, but Zothar ist. :)
[12:46] <NEOatNHNG> that was the site where I got it from, but it didn't have this verion yesterday
[12:47] <Zothar_Work> r15661 was commited a roughly 2 hours ago :)
[12:47] <Zothar_Work> Bombe: did I break something?
[12:47] <NEOatNHNG> Zothar_Work, so now that I know you're the one behind refbot, there a few things some are complaining about:
[12:48] <Bombe> Zothar: <NEOatNHNG> No, seriously, many people complain about bots which have no access to their nodes
[12:48] <Bombe> :)
[12:49] <NEOatNHNG> first: if they send their ref to a bot which already has that ref, it would be nice if he sent his ref back anyway, so they can readd it
[12:49] <Zothar_Work> Bombe: that's on my TODO, but I haven't worked on it yet; the plan is for bots that have that trouble to simply quit
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[12:49] <Zothar_Work> NEOatNHNG: hmm, that might not be too bad an idea
[12:50] <Bombe> Zothar, just wanted to relay that. I haven't used the refbot for months. :)
[12:50] <FuriousRage> meh, the other day frost chewed up my identities files and NPE's on start because of it ;(
[12:50] <Zothar_Work> note that I may not put too terribly much work into the bot at this stage as it is supposed to be made obsolete by opennet features in the not too distant future
[12:50] <Zothar_Work> FuriousRage: yeah, I very much doubt that
[12:51] <FuriousRage> doubt what?
[12:51] <Zothar_Work> Bombe: I haven't worked on the refbot in months and hadn't heard much feedback about it in almost as long
[12:51] <Bombe> Zothar, yeah, I can imagine...
[12:51] <NEOatNHNG> second: as bombe said, there are many bots which have lost connection to their node, maybe the bot could just shut down itself if he recognizes that
[12:51] <Zothar_Work> FuriousRage: that refbot.py had anything to do with your Frost install
[12:51] <FuriousRage> did i say that?
[12:52] <Zothar_Work> FuriousRage: seems I missed the context your statement was to be a part of; nvm
[12:52] <FuriousRage> :P
[12:52] <Zothar_Work> NEOatNHNG: right; that's planned
[12:53] <FuriousRage> now i'll probably stop using frost all together
[12:53] <NEOatNHNG> Zothar_Work, while it's not implemented: how does the bot react on a kick?
[12:54] <Zothar_Work> NEOatNHNG: I believe it stays kicked; I've kicked a bot on occasion without trouble
[12:54] <NEOatNHNG> FuriousRage, if you could describe your problem including your java-version and OS maybe we can help
[12:54] <FuriousRage> wont help since the file is bonked
[12:55] <NEOatNHNG> which file are you talking about?
[12:55] <FuriousRage> identities.dbs
[12:57] <NEOatNHNG> which folder?
[12:57] <FuriousRage> \store
[12:58] <NEOatNHNG> seems as if I don't have that file
[13:03] <NEOatNHNG> Zothar_Work, the current version of Freemail seems to work
[13:04] <Zothar_Work> NEOatNHNG: cool; I still haven't tried it again since the recent work on it started
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[13:27] <NEOatNHNG> Zothar_Work, one Problem occured: I chose an account name with an @ which made problems as thunderbird wanted to log on as xxx@xxx@xxx.freemail this should be disallowed
[13:28] <NEOatNHNG> is there a way to change your account name but keep your domain?
[13:30] <Zothar_Work> NEOatNHNG: I don't know; I've only barely used Freemail probably over a year ago
[13:32] <NEOatNHNG> Zothar_Work, who is developing Freemail?
[13:33] <Zothar_Work> I'm not sure if it's any one person at the moment; recent commits have been made by a number of people
[13:34] <NEOatNHNG> thanks, so I'll just do a bug report
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[15:13] <lostit> hi all need help, my start page says i have not connected to any other nodes, i have added about five now from the ref board
[15:16] <lostit> does it take long for the freenet to start working properly
[15:16] <Nogaso> did they add your ref?
[15:16] <lostit> or am i doing somehting wrong,
[15:16] <lostit> yes i did the whole ref sex think
[15:16] <lostit> now i want some babies or atleast some freenet pages to work ;)
[15:16] <lostit> are they supposed to connect immediately
[15:16] <Nogaso> more or less, could be problems with NAT, firewall etc. though
[15:16] <lostit> shit all i get is one is busy, ne is disconnected and the other are not conected
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[15:18] <lostit> i'm using fsecure firewall do i need to do anything in firewall to open up connection
[15:19] <Nogaso> I doubt it, you might need to forward your port though
[15:20] <NEOatNHNG> but as one peer is on busy the connection itself should be ok
[15:21] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, try to get more/better peers
[15:23] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, sometimes it can be better to exchange refs with bots than with humans because they are used by more experienced users
[15:25] <Nogaso> you also have opennet (as a last resort I guess, at least after what NEOatNHNG saig)
[15:25] <Ratchet> at least 50% of the bots are talking to dead nodes.
[15:26] <Ratchet> i think the best and fastest thing would be to change the bot to disconnect from irc if he isnot connected to the node.
[15:26] <Ratchet> immediately
[15:26] <Ratchet> it's really annoying
[15:27] <Ratchet> from my experience the last weeks, they are not operated by experienced users
[15:28] <NEOatNHNG> Ratchet, i talked to Zothar_Work the aouthor of refbot, he said it was planned to implement that
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[15:29] <Ratchet> ah, cool :-)
[15:29] <Zothar_Work> Ratchet: please tell me the names of bots currently on the channel with dead nodes and I can test then kick them
[15:29] <Ratchet> sorry, no time. I'm at work, too
[15:29] <thehappypingpong> Hi, which is the room where I get the nodes from?
[15:29] <NEOatNHNG> Ratchet, Zothar_Work also said it would be save to kick bots, so if you give him a list of concerned bots he might kick them
[15:29] <Zothar_Work> thehappypingpong: #freenet-refs
[15:30] <thehappypingpong> Or better still, is there a way to pm a user without being in the same room as them?
[15:30] <Zothar_Work> thehappypingpong: /msg after registering/identifying with nickserv
[15:30] <thehappypingpong> thanks zothar
[15:30] <Ratchet> I'll tell you about dead bots when I'm gathering nodes again
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[15:32] <lostit> thanks all for help, i guess i'll just have to have ref sex with bots, no human touch too bad
[15:33] <lostit> by the by when i do use bots do i just have to type in url of my ref in the pm
[15:34] <Nogaso> IIRC you only send the URL and you'll get an URL back
[15:35] <Ratchet> /query the bot and type "help"
[15:37] <thehappypingpong> hi, im stuck, can anyone help me?
[15:37] <NEOatNHNG> sure
[15:37] <thehappypingpong> this is the first time ive used freenet...ive set it up and added friends, but they arent connecting
[15:37] <lostit> lol now my page will not even open, it will not connect greeeeeaaat
[15:38] <thehappypingpong> i have a windows firewall and an adsl router, do i have to set them up first?
[15:38] <lostit> i used the .5 buld about 2 years ago, seemed simpler
[15:38] <NEOatNHNG> it depends very much on whom you connect with
[15:39] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, it was also more unsecure
[15:39] <Nogaso> lostit: the node might have crashed or something, try to start it again...
[15:39] <lostit> lol, it worked for me ;)
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[15:40] <NEOatNHNG> thehappypingpong, which OS and Java version do you use?
[15:40] <NEOatNHNG> ok dumb question you're using windows
[15:41] <thehappypingpong> lol neo
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[15:42] <thehappypingpong> ive got the firewall set up
[15:42] <NEOatNHNG> thehappypingpong, you could try to forward the port shown on the friends page on your router
[15:42] <thehappypingpong> just trying to set up the port forwarding on the router
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[15:43] <thehappypingpong> to which IP address do I forward the port?
[15:44] <Nogaso> the one your computer has
[15:44] <thehappypingpong> so is that 127.0.0.1?
[15:44] <lostit> lol sorry for shouting above you happy but it does not work even after trying to open page again
[15:45] <lostit> maybe poor place to ask, but are there any other pograms with the freenet spirit
[15:45] <lostit> but perhaps better software ;)
[15:45] <thehappypingpong> or is it my actual ip address (ie the one that you would enter if you wanted to ping me?)
[15:45] <Nogaso> something like 10.0.0.* or 192.168.0.* I would guess
[15:46] <Nogaso> if you open command promt and type ipconfig you'll get the correct ip
[15:46] <Nogaso> prompt*
[15:46] <thehappypingpong> aha, thanks nogaso
[15:47] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, which OS which java version?
[15:47] <thehappypingpong> nope, no go...just get "error found on page"
[15:47] <Nogaso> where?
[15:47] <thehappypingpong> The page has the following fields: rule name, protocol, port start, port end, port map
[15:48] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, there is anonymity software but its all designed to access the web anonymously not to publish anything anonymously
[15:49] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, TOR for example
[15:49] <thehappypingpong> I am using UDP as the protocol, I picked 5849 as the port start and port end, and put my ip address from ipconfig into port map
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[15:50] <NEOatNHNG> thehappypingpong, should be ok if the friends-page tells you that the Darknet-FNP-port is 5849
[15:51] <thehappypingpong> the friends page tells me that, but the router config page won't let me enter it
[15:51] <lostit> thanks i'll try and work with freenet
[15:51] <lostit> but is tor anygood
[15:52] <thehappypingpong> Is there something else I have to do?
[15:52] <Nogaso> there shouldn't be anything else AFAIK
[15:53] <thehappypingpong> I found a different page..."custom port forwarding"
[15:54] <thehappypingpong> it has a number of fields: application, protocol, source IP address, netmask, destination ip address, destination netmask (default 255.255.255.255), destination port start, dest port finish and port map
[15:54] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, it is good for it's purpose, but that is an other purpose as the purposes you might use freenet for
[15:55] <NEOatNHNG> thehappypingpong, what kind of router do you have?
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[15:55] <thehappypingpong> a netcomm NB5 ADSL2+
[15:57] <NEOatNHNG> what firmware?
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[15:58] <NEOatNHNG> thehappypingpong, should be written to the label on the backside
[15:58] <lostit> thanks again
[15:58] <lostit> i'll try to use freenet, maybe its the fact i'm using vista
[15:58] <thehappypingpong> firmware version 62.51.2-003
[15:59] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, should have said that in the first place
[16:00] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, vista isn't fully supported yet (but we're working on it) so you just can start/stop freenet via the service-manager
[16:00] <thehappypingpong> silly me...the "port map" field requires a port number, not an ip address
[16:00] <lostit> ok that might be it lol
[16:00] <FuriousRage> freenet ran just find in vista for me
[16:02] <thehappypingpong> Is there something that I can do to test if this has worked?
[16:02] <NEOatNHNG> had it installed on an vm recently to find bugs relating to vista
[16:02] <NEOatNHNG> thehappypingpong, reload the friends page and have a look
[16:03] <thehappypingpong> The friends page hasn't changed
[16:03] <NEOatNHNG> and the wrapper.log was quite unempty
[16:04] <NEOatNHNG> thehappypingpong, you should make shure to get peers, that have a connection themselves, maybe that can help
[16:04] <lostit> freenet will not start, in the prompt box it says access denied
[16:04] <FuriousRage> lostit: error 5?
[16:04] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, thats why i said use the service manager
[16:05] <thehappypingpong> Thanks neo....I have four people added, one says either "busy" or "disconnected" and the others all say "never connected"
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[16:06] <NEOatNHNG> rightclick on my computer, manage (may not be the correct term i'm using the german version) and then select apps and services
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[16:08] <lostit> yeah i did, it says freentet is stopped and access denied to start
[16:08] <FuriousRage> lostit: then the user 'Freenet' does not have access to the freenet folder and it subfolders, which you have to set manually
[16:08] <thehappypingpong> Well, it's not working, and it's getting late, so i think I'll have to give up for the night
[16:08] <thehappypingpong> thanks for everyone's help
[16:08] <thehappypingpong> Maybe I'll try again another time
[16:09] <lostit> how do i do that bit of voodoo furious
[16:11] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, rightclick on the freenet folder, select properties --> rights and permissions
[16:11] <thehappypingpong> thanks very much for everyone's help
[16:12] <NEOatNHNG> bye thehappypingpong,
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[16:28] <lostit> thanks all
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[16:28] <lostit> not working now and still can't get access after adding permission
[16:28] <lostit> who knows the ways of freenet, maybe it will work after a while
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[16:32] <NEOatNHNG> lostit, when i tried on vista, the permission denied thing only came when i was clicking on the start/stop freenet under all programmes
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[17:54] <Kartoffelsalat> do i need to create my friendlist evreytime if my friends don't have static ips or dyndnsw orking?
[17:55] <Zothar_Work> Kartoffelsalat: if you can get no connections otherwise so that ARK updates can happen, then yes
[17:55] <Kartoffelsalat> what is an ARK update?
[17:57] <Kartoffelsalat> if i have a changin ip i should use dyndns or?
[17:57] <Zothar_Work> Kartoffelsalat: It stands for Address Resolution Key and it's something automatically published to Freenet by your nodes that your peers know how to fetch from Freenet, giving all the details they should need to be able to connect to your node at it's not IP address; if you or they can't otherwise connect to Freenet, then you can't get their updated node reference (in the ARK) and/or they...
[17:57] <Zothar_Work> ...can't get yours
[17:58] <Kartoffelsalat> my raw?
[17:58] <Zothar_Work> Kartoffelsalat: using dyndns and port forwarding can improve reconnection speed, but aren't strictly required
[17:59] <Zothar_Work> Kartoffelsalat: I don't see my typo, so perhaps you typo'd in your question or I misunderstand your question
[17:59] <Kartoffelsalat> i mean "can't get yours'" <- what do you mean exactly?
[17:59] <Kartoffelsalat> sorry, i am no english native
[18:03] <Zothar_Work> Kartoffelsalat: it means their node cannot retrieve your ARK published and updated node reference if your and/or they are not connected to Freenet through some other peer or peers
[18:04] <Zothar_Work> oops: "if you and/or they"
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[18:04] <Kartoffelsalat> hm, sounds in a way difficutl... thanks for the informatin
[18:05] <Kartoffelsalat> does Frost need a connection via friends?
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[19:41] <dbkr> Bombe: ping
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[21:21] <ssdsd> Can anyone help? My frost displays "Cleaning Filelist Tables" and hangs there when I start it...
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